“… as Terence Des Pres once pointed out with regard to the Nazi’s attempted mass extermination of Europe's Jews, "demonic” seems a better word than "insane" to characterize genocidal behavior. [He noted that] "insanity is without firm structure, not predictable, something you cannot depend upon." And while "what went on in the [Nazi] killing centers was highly organized and very dependable indeed," thereby not qualifying as insanity, at least according to Des Pres’ informal definition, "the dedication of life's energies to the production of death is a demonic principal of the first degree."

---- David Stannard, American Holocaust ----

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As Danza Cauhtemoc began to dance, to offer their prayers in motion; as their drums rolled like machine gun fire echoing in the streets; as the counter-protestors cheered their arrival and the magic and spirit they have brought to countless demonstrations in Los Angeles over the course of many years, Minutemen and SOS members with cameras began to circle in, one by one, near to them. Counter-protestors did all in their power to block the racist’s cameras, sensing the lewd spirit within and behind the act.

Predictably, which is to say demoniacally - as Des Pres would have it - SOSers found a way to defile the ancient native spiritual traditions of the conquered subjects of Euro-imperialism, just as they had done months before in attacking the Danzas Indigenas monument in Baldwin Park.

They added a degrading soundtrack to a video of the danzantes they were able to take from across the street, and created a vicious, demeaning, racist label for the sacred dance.

The minutemen sought out the danzantes the way a mentally ill Social Darwinist might have sought out a "witch doctor” - in order to mock and disparage them. They came like vultures; like someone entering a dank theater for kiddie porn or a snuff film.

This elemental and fundamental fear and hatred of the Other, the titillation at its “strangeness,” the demented need to distance oneself from natural power, from color, from movement, from the body itself, is the endemic visceral sickness spoken of by Wilhelm Reich in his "Mass Psychology of Fascism,” his guidebook to the psychic nature of the civilized evil called Nazism.

It is this cultural psychology that led the Conquistadores to hang and burn Indians suspected of “heathenism” in groups of 13, in "honor" of Jesus and the 12 disciples. The same sickness led the European settlers who slaughtered a peaceful Cheyenne encampment at Sand Creek in Colorado to scalp the vulvas of native women and hang them on their saddle horns. It led US soldiers in Viet Nam to sever the ears and fingers of the "Gooks” they killed in what they called "Indian Country.” This same cultural impulse makes the SOSers call their opposition “Goons.” This impulse, when acted upon, has a name.

That name is genocide.

A sick fascination, an obsession with degrading the “Other” is the psychic compulsion, the very thing-in-itself-from which genocide arises. Racism as an attitude and genocide as an action are simply two sides of the same demented coin, two points on a single continuum, the beginning and end points of a deadly circle.

There can be no question that for the sick men who carried it out, the scalping of native women’s vulvas was “funny.” Some stretched the fetishes around the crowns of their hats. They laughed.

They laughed the way children were taught to laugh when singing “Three little, two little, one little Indian,” and for the same reason. What can be made ridiculous or giddy can be distanced. What can be distanced can be killed. In the end, there are “No little Indian boys.”

SOSers created another such ditty to degrade the sacred dances of the Mexican People. Behind a video of the danzantes they ran the music to “Turkey in the Straw.” They called the sacred danza “The Chicken Dance” and the danzantes “Chicken Dancers.”

An SOSer who calls himself “Border Raven” suggested adding animal sounds to the soundtrack. “I’mwithya” posted the lyrics to a children’s song about chickens, saying “This should be the song for the AZTEC DANCERS!”

(boy) I say Cock-a-doodle-doodle-doo
(girl) I say cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck
(both) We can do the chicken dance
I know you'll like it too


A thug calling himself Cazamigrante (Migrant Hunter) wrote:

“But if the Chicken Dancers are going to become protest regulars, we should either get a bunch of folks to dress up in El pollo Loco chicken suits, or maybe get a bunch of guys to dress up like Colonel Sanders…”

In the demonic logic of racism, to degrade the other is to equate the other with oneself – with the secret evaluation of oneself that one hides from oneself. It is to project what is “evil” in oneself, what cannot be faced, onto the Other. The “demon” demonizes the Other – reduces, limits and frames the Other within the same parameters of obsessive hatred and degradation that define the limits of the “demon’s” own awareness.

The Other can be allowed no existence beyond the limits of an imagination seething with self hatred.

The “demon” cannot see what it is not, and having contempt, but not compassion for or understanding of itself, it can have no such feelings for others.

Cazamigrante wants to dress up in his own “chicken suit”, wants to reduce the Other to a mirror image of his own self contempt. Or better yet, to become a parody of a slaveholder – a Colonel Sanders - a parody, a mockery with the power to kill, an evil clown with a necklace of severed ears and fingers; like Colonel Sanders, a professional butcher.

The Hopi have a word for those with such a mentality – the powaqa. A powaqa is a sorcerer, one said to further his or her own life by stealing the hearts of others.

According to Godfrey Reggio, maker of the films Koyaanisqatsi, Powaqqatsi, and Noqoyqatsi, “…a Powaqa is a black magician—a person who eats the life of another person in order to advance his or her life. The modus operandi as it were of a Powaqa is allurement and seduction. I felt that when you put those words together [Powaqa and qatsi – i.e. “life” or “way of life”] they mean a way of life that consumes another way of life.”

A way of life that consumes another way of life is genocidal, by definition. It is the way of life of the West, the way the minutemen and SOS want so desperately to preserve from the “degrading” presence of Native peoples, who - as SOS puts it in another comment typical of Hitler’s Germany - are turning “America” into a “cesspool.”

All such stigmas and stereotypes, of course, tell a story. They tell a story that justifies the cruel oppression of those who are stigmatized. In the case of Native peoples in the Americas, and in the case of the Jewish people in Germany, that story led to mass death. There is nothing “innocent” here. No one is “just joking.”

It is no “funnier” for “Americans” to ridicule and tell jokes about Native people than for a German to ridicule Jews and tell “Jew jokes.” The meaning, in fact, is exactly the same. It is no different for white Americans to hate people of Native descent than for Germans to hate people of Jewish descent. The meaning, again, is exactly the same.

And it is no different for a white American to want to deport a person of Native descent than for a German to want to deport a Jew.

The SOS / minutemen “joke” at the danzantes expense has a point. The point is to embolden and desensitize those who would round up Mexican people by the millions, deport them, or put them in camps.

The purpose of the joke is to enable these racists to support, for example, pending legislation in Congress that calls for all undocumented migrants to be declared felons - just as Jews had to wear a yellow star, and just as “stateless” people had to wear a blue triangle under Hitler.

These “Americans” cannot admit that they are repeating the tales and way of life of their own ancestors. To see it would be to admit the correspondences of history, to shine light on the shadow, to admit to the practice of genocide.

The final purpose is to distance themselves and others from the human meaning of their actions. By dehumanizing the danzantes, and, by extension, all Native people, SOS and the minutemen are up to nothing new. What “American,” after all, has ever worried about wringing the neck of a chicken – or any other “sub-human.”

The sub-human, for such people, cannot be sacred, nor can the culture or spiritual practices of the sub-human be sacred. To admit of the sacred is to admit the common humanity of one’s intended victim.

And that is the one thing the powaqa and the white American ubermensch can never do.

We can but fight them, and pray that their hearts are delivered from the grip of hatred. - Ometeotl -



see:

http://media.putfile.com/Chicken-Dance26

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7322&hl=chicken+dance

http://www.kiddyhouse.com/Farm/Chicken/Chickensong.html

http://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Animals/Rstr01.wav

http://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Animals/Rstr02.wav

http://www.grsites.com/sounds/18791905/misc/misc332.wav

http://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Animals/Turkey02.wav
http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=145190%23145205
http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7357&hl=chicken+dance

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As Danza Cauhtemoc began to dance, to offer their prayers in motion; as their drums rolled like machine gun fire echoing in the streets; as the counter-protestors cheered their arrival and the magic and spirit they have brought to countless demonstrations in Los Angeles over the course of many years, Minutemen and SOS members with cameras began to circle in, one by one, near to them. Counter-protestors did all in their power to block the racist’s cameras, sensing the lewd spirit within and behind the act.

It is this cultural psychology that led the Conquistadores to hang and burn Indians suspected of “heathenism” in groups of 13, in "honor" of Jesus and the 12 disciples. The same sickness led the European settlers who slaughtered a peaceful Cheyenne encampment at Sand Creek in Colorado to scalp the vulvas of native women and hang them on their saddle horns. It led US soldiers in Viet Nam to sever the ears and fingers of the "Gooks” they killed in what they called "Indian Country.” This same cultural impulse makes the SOSers call their opposition “Goons.” This impulse, when acted upon, has a name.

That name is genocide.

There can be no question.

They called the sacred danza “The Chicken Dance” and the danzantes “Chicken Dancers.”

In the demonic logic of racism, to degrade the other is to equate the other with oneself – with the secret evaluation of oneself that one hides from oneself. It is to project what is “evil” in oneself, what cannot be faced, onto the Other. The “demon” demonizes the Other – reduces, limits and frames the Other within the same parameters of obsessive hatred and degradation that define the limits of the “demon’s” own awareness.

The Other can be allowed no existence beyond the limits of an imagination seething with self hatred.

The “demon” cannot see what it is not, and having contempt, but not compassion for or understanding of itself, it can have no such feelings for others.

These “Americans” cannot admit that they are repeating the tales and way of life of their own ancestors. To see it would be to admit the correspondences of history, to shine light on the shadow, to admit to the practice of genocide.

/ photographer unknown

We can but fight them, and pray that their hearts are delivered from the grip of hatred. - Ometeotl -




/photographer unknown

This is just more proof that this country was founded on genocide and racism. SOS people are scared. They are full of fear and lash out at things they don't understand.

They can say they just want "the laws enforced" but if that were true than why would they go out of their way to mock native culture. As much as they say they aren't, this proves again that they are racist.

And behind their actions is the unconscious realization that the "American culture" isn't based in anything real and has no roots.

We loved the Chicken Dancers
by Spankie Sunday, Jan. 22, 2006 at 9:26 AM

You guys all obviously are proud graduates of the L.A. Unified School District, as your math skills and counting abilities prove.

Who'd ever guess that your ancestors were able to chart the heavens with greater precision than NASA, when you guys can't even count? Obviously, that DNA strand has died out permanently.

The Chicken Dancers were a real hoot. Nothing like coming to a rally to stop illegal immigration and pandering to it, by bringing cultural dances FROM MEXICO! You guys are brilliant! Even if WE had funded you, we wouldn't have dared to do something as stupid as demonstrating that your whole goal is to supplant the United States with your imaginary ruminations about your long-lost Aztec homeland. That's going to play really well with folks.

Please, come to EVERY rally and do that. As you found out yesterday, your days are over. And you are your own worst enemies.

[[this article was unhidden because it was referenced in a comment -- eds.]]

Racists, every one
by Leslie Sunday, Jan. 22, 2006 at 3:42 PM

Unequivocally, every single SOSer, by commission or omission, has proven themselves a racist and a religious bigot with this attack on Danza Cuauhtémoc.

The danzantes dance to honor the spirits of the earth and the heavens, to call on them for protection and guidance. It is a tradition that predates Christianity by millennia. Not one minuteman or Save Our Stater could celebrate their god in the manner of the danzantes for fifteen minutes. No one of you have the strength or the faith to keep up with the eldest of the danzantes. And you dare to mock them. There is no name for anything on earth that names the lowness to which you have fallen.

Did you sit in your churches today, feeling all pious? When the sermon got boring, did your mind drift to the "amusing" little mockery of Aztec celebrants on the Save Our State website? Did you sing Christian hymns of war and conquest? Then did you pray to a deity in whose name millions, past, present, and future, are slaughtered?

Even as you claim to be patriotic guardians of the U.S. constitution, you mock its rhetorical claim to freedom of religious practice. It's little wonder that no thinking person takes your "more patriotic than thou" hyperbole seriously. You equate shopping at Lowe's with patriotism, and "ennoble" the U.S. flag by emblazoning its likeness on your Cat in the Hat haberdashery. Next time, you can complete the picture: wear your conquistador helmet, gauntlets, chain mail, and gorgets. Then we will know who is who.

Back in church, perhaps you prayed longingly for a return to the Requirimiento, which called on the native people to convert to Christianity or "we shall powerfully enter into your country, and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of their Highnesses; we shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do you all the mischief and damage that we can, as to vassals who do not obey, and refuse to receive their lord, and resist and contradict him; and we protest that the deaths and losses which shall accrue from this are your fault, and not that of their Highnesses, or ours, nor of these cavaliers who come with us."

Nothing has changed as long as the minutemen, SOS, and their ilk walk this planet. You sicken me beyond words.

If you’re reading this and you have the stomach to see SOSers in their natural, unshifted shape, you can read them hereand following.

Apparently that isn't true,

It seems you are well enough to vomit up all that half-baked religious nonsense into English, so either you forgot what you wrote or did you plagiarize that from one of your underlings?
Sure we make fun of them Leslie...
They make fun and mockery of our laws, our boundaries, and our social programs. And then they have the audacity to do a dance in front of their racist signs during a holy event that we organized to preserve our country, constitution, and national identity. This is very serious stuff to us Leslie, and it shouldn't surprise you that sending in the clowns might just be percieved as belittling our own cause and culture.

What culture AG? If the above posts don't give you an idea of what it really means to be proud of American culture than I don't know what will.

I thought we called a rally to protest Home Depot and illegal immigration, not a religious event. Perhaps, we should bring out a Christian musical group, and a few preachers, next time, to stand with us and give us God's support.

BTW -- I love the authentic native foot wear in the dancer's costumes. The foot wear reminds me of something foreign to the indigenous populations, had they never been discovered, and educated into the modern world, or subjected to outside trade.

I did notice how the opposition were formed into three groups Mexica, the dancers, and the morons, following AnswerLA.

Lastly, about the dancers, I would look into child labor laws concerning child actors, and see if any children were harmed, by their forced participation, in such an event.

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BR

I see, Davi.

So, then, have we come mocking your Jesus? No. Have we come ridiculing your choirs, your altar boys and girls, your priests, your sacraments? No. Have we parodied your Holy Eucharist? No.

Did we outlaw your religion? No. But Native religions were outlawed and persecuted here until the 1970s. You continue that "noble" tradition.

Your nation’s predominant religion tells you that no sin is unforgiveable except to mock or blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

Do you think it “holy” to mock and blaspheme the Spirit of the Sacred in other people’s cultures?


But here's the main point:

Your ridicule is an expression of an historical and ongoing genocide with a record of killing 100 million people, a record of lynching, a record of Jim Crow (No Dogs or Mexicans Allowed), the theft of land and the ongoing destruction and degradation of Native culture.

Your mockery evokes and _repeats_ all of that.

Your comments are a walking-talking Zoot Suit Riot.

You are personally part of an organization that characterizes Native / Mexican culture as a "cesspool." That is all the more demented if, as I am told, you are yourself a Mexican.

It is different to mock a German Nazi than to mock a Jew.

It is different to laugh at a Nazi getting his comeuppance than to laugh at a half starving Jewish child in a cattle car (and, although, of course, they weren't starving, a number of the danzantes that day were children.)

It is different to mock a law than to mock those persecuted by that law.

If you think anyone here is going to allow you to equate crossing an imaginary line in the desert to escape starvation or repression and genocide [like the recent genocide in Guatemala against the Mayas] with carrying out mass murder and then making a _joke_ of it, you are sadly mistaken.

As the essay above puts it:

"These “Americans” cannot admit that they are repeating the tales and way of life of their own ancestors. To see it would be to admit the correspondences of history, to shine light on the shadow, to admit to the practice of genocide."

You may think that "cowboys" are glorious and that the sacred cavalry will come to the rescue of the saintly white colonial settlers and land thieves; you may think that Amerikkka is holy....

Well that's what the Nazi masses thought of Hitler, Thor, and Germany, too. Excuse us if we rain tears on your parade, but you are _not_ a victim.

You refuse to acknowledge _the reality_ of history, the uncontestable truth of the record of Amerikkkan and European genocide, and you may continue to do so just like any demented Holocaust denier.

But you won't do so without being challenged, even though we understand that you, yourself, are trapped in the "demonic" dynamics of racism, and need urgently to be healed.


Read This:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/nataspir.htm


“The arrival of Europeans marked a major change in Native society. Tens of millions died due to sickness, and programs of slavery and extermination.2 Europeans and their missionaries looked upon Native Spirituality as worthless superstition inspired by the Christian devil, Satan. Many of the survivors were forcibly converted to Christianity. The US and Canadian governments instituted policies to force Natives onto reservations and to encourage them to become assimilated into the majority culture. 3 During the middle decades of the 20th century, whole generations of children were kidnapped, forcibly confined in residential schools, and abused physically, sexually and emotionally. In Canada, these schools were operated on behalf of the Federal Government by the Roman Catholic, Anglican, United and Presbyterian churches. Both the government and these religious institutions have been hit by a multi-billion dollar class-action lawsuit. Claims against the Anglican Church are much greater than the Church's current assets. They may be forced into bankruptcy by legal costs.”

“Some suicidologists believe that the extremely high suicide rate among Natives is due to the suppression of their religion and culture by the Federal Governments. This suppression is still seen in the prison administrations; Canadian prisons have only recently allowed Native sweat lodge ceremonies; most American prisons routinely deny permission.”

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Now, you were saying you felt mocked and persecuted. But your ancestors did all in their power to eradicate our spirituality and religions from the face of the Earth forever.

THAT is what you are continuing.

THAT is actually what your precious “Amerikkka” is all about.

Mexican president Carlos Salinas once assured an American television audience that racism simply does not exist in his country. Racism, he suggested, was an oddity confined to the United States.

The revolt among the Mayan population of Chiapas is a wake-up call to the unacknowledged reality of racism in Mexico. True, Mexican racism was never written into law as it was in the southern United States. It is also true that racial mixing, or mestizaje, has occurred on a far greater scale in Mexico than in the U.S. Yet Mexican racism is more pervasive today than its northern counterpart because it is denied.

The ideology of the Revolution glorified the country’s Aztec heritage. Statues and schoolbooks commemorate Cuauhtémoc’s heroic effort to ward off the Spanish conquerors. The Museum of Anthropology has been turned into a showcase of national pride. From the Aztec Stadium to Aztec Television to the Aztec soccer team, Aztec has become a synonym for Mexican. Yet for all the glorification of long-dead Aztecs, none of that veneration is extended to their living descendants, or to any other native peoples.

Turn on any television program, examine the advertisements in any magazine or newspaper, look at the billboards. You would hardly know you’re in Mexico. Almost all the persons in the ads are lily-white, of pure European extraction. Very occasionally, one might encounter a mestizo. But never a Tzeltal or Tarahumara or Purépecha or Yaqui.

Ask Mexicans about their ideal of beauty and you will quickly discover Mexico’s racial hierarchy. At the top of the list is white skin, often with nordic blue eyes and blond hair—traits almost completely alien to the population. At the other extreme are the typical native features—brown eyes and skin, black hair, broad faces—which are frequently described as feo (ugly).

For Mexico to overcome its racism will require the same sort of consciousness-raising that has spurred change in the United States and Canada. In fact, the one part of Mexican society that has been engaging in such an effort is the liberation-theology wing of the Catholic Church. Its parish priests, delegates of the word, and base communities have been building literacy and organizational skills among the most marginalized Mexicans over the past two decades. Yet until recently, that selfless labor has won them only condemnation from officialdom.

Angered that Tzotzils, Triquis and Mixtecs are beginning to demand treatment as human beings fully equal to the descendants of the conquistadors who continue to dominate southern Mexico, the state and federal governments have tried to blame the Church for undermining the established order. Hence the conspiracy between Mexico City and Rome to remove Bishop Samuel Ruiz and silence fellow clergy who have interpreted too literally the gospel that all human beings are created equal.

Make no mistake about it—the campaign against Samuel Ruiz, Bartolomé Carrasco, Arturo Lona, and the other bishops of southern Mexico who have cast their lot with the indigenous peoples of the area is but another manifestation of the racism of Mexico’s governing elites.

If there is a silver lining in the cloud of rebellion over Chiapas, it is that it has begun to force Mexico’s unacknowledged racism into the open.

The repressed native populations of Chiapas have become the center of attention. Secretary of Government Patrocinio González Garrido, who made a career out of persecuting Chiapas’ native peasants, has been forced out of office and replaced with the former head of the government’s human rights commission.

Just as significant was a simple but symbolic gesture by former Mexico City mayor Manuel Camacho. After being named to head a government conciliation commission, Camacho met with Ruiz. Overnight, the clergyman became entrusted with mediating the conflict, because of the credibility he has earned through three decades of devotion to the peoples of the Mayan highlands.

While it is to be hoped these initiatives will lead to social reform in Chiapas, it would be a pity if they were to be confined to just one corner of the country.

The needs and injustices are every bit as pressing elsewhere in Mexico. And the racism that perpetuates marginalization is a nationwide phenomenon that demands recognition.

Although we constantly complain about the increasing racism, discrimination and poverty that Hispanics face in the USA, Indigenous Mexicans suffer the same problems in Mexico.

In a nation devoted to celebrating its Indian heritage, the terrible irony is that Indians are despised. "Don't behave like an Indian," are common sentences heard among the white mestizo (person of mixed race or blood, specifically a person of mixed European and Indian) and the criollo (direct Spanish descendants) families. The Indians are despised for their physical appearance, their poverty, and their language. Racism enters every criollo and mestizo family, defining the value and the place of the children according to their color. The darkest one may become the outsider, while the fair-skinned one is a prize.

In Mexico, two different worlds exist, the world of the white and rich population and the world of the indigenous. The Indians have been excluded from the privileges that the white population in Mexico have. They have been abused, attacked, neglected and forgotten during the last 100 years.

Today, the indigenous population continues to face systematic discrimination in the public and private sectors, and remains largely outside the country's political and economic mainstream. Extreme poverty disproportionately affects indigenous segments of the population, particularly in the province of Chiapas, where conflict between a national liberation movement and authorities has raged since 1994.

Language barriers preclude meaningful participation of indigenous peoples in the public education system. Most Indians do not speak Spanish; nevertheless, Spanish is the language that has been assigned in the Education System. As a result, for the non-Spanish-speaking people, education is often essentially unavailable. The illiteracy rate among indigenous peoples in Mexico is six times the national average. Spanish illiteracy particularly disadvantages indigenous peoples in the political process, as ballots and voter information are only available in Spanish. If citizens of Mexico cannot read or understand Spanish, they are not able to cast their votes.

In addition, Indians' inability to speak Spanish means that they face widespread employment discrimination in Spanish-speaking areas. Indians are also over represented in low-income jobs; 40 per cent of migrant farm workers in the country are Indian. Even among menial jobs, employment discrimination persists. For example, one report indicates that Indians are often not allowed to do the easier plant packing work; ostensibly because they are "too short" to reach the vegetables to sort and pick them. Migrant farm workers in the south have been subjected to discriminatory police brutality. These people claim that police specifically target them for abuse. Reports indicate that the police target those with "markers" of being Indian, such as skin color and height.

The vast concentrations of wealth among the white (9% of the population, according o the CIA Factbook) ruling class contrasted with extreme poverty among the darkest citizens are the proof that racial and class discrimination exists in Mexico. The official and his peers in the business and intellectual elites of the nation tend to be white (there are exceptions, but they are becoming scarcer), well educated, and well traveled abroad.

Although this is happening right before their eyes, the white population in Mexico (the most powerful one) refuses to acknowledge it or even address it openly. They refuse to notice the skin color and height differences between the rulers and the ruled in Mexico.

The current government has made an effort to bring the issue of indigenous rights closer to the forefront of the country's agenda, but it still maintains that racial discrimination does not exist in Mexico. While they acknowledge that indigenous people suffer debilitating and disproportionate social, cultural, and economic hardships, it contends that racial discrimination is not the cause of such poverty, but rather that the poverty itself is the cause of discrimination.

We aren't going to be able to take all the appropriate measures to ensure equal and impartial treatment before the law for all people, until we recognize that racism perpetuates the economic, social, and political marginalization of indigenous peoples.

Unfortunately, racism is a fact of life in Mexico, one that costs lives. But the struggle goes on, for the dead are only dead if they are forgotten. Let's not forget about them

The point we came to make was about law enforcement. You brought religion into it.
We brought signs.....you brought dancers
We want the laws to apply to everybody....you seem to want an exemption based on culture and/or history.
The pendulum must stop swinging sometime Chico; or those who hold it will continue to work above its' reach.
Dancers belong in cultural events, not at political protests. Once again, this is serious stuff to us. Children or no, you will not dance your special treatment desires into my heart. It simply amazes me that you use children as tools like that. It is you that have little shame.
Neither will I be swayed by the fact or fictions that America had sinners in those who came before me. I seek my refuge and comfort in Americas constitution, and the related bill of rights, not in guidance by their previous interpretors who may or may not have been corrupt.
The Constitutional protections and laws are a useful tool, and I might add, one of the best on the planet at present, if people would only start using them as meant and specified. It is certainly far better than any religious or culturaly specific edicts that have been floating around for centuries, that have allowed the atrocities of human sacrifice, supreme rulers, dictators, child sacrifice, and so many other forms of human suffering.
But the distasteful part of the law is that in applying it equally, there will be some broken hearts and punishments meted out in the dispensary. That means that some people will be declared illegal in presence and that they cannot use religious or cultural defenses to that. there is a separation of church and state.
So dancing would not an acceptable defense

Then why did SOS protesting the monument in Baldwin Park. SOS made it into a cultural issue.

> I thought we called a rally to protest Home
> Depot and illegal immigration,

No, you gathered to spew your race hate -- and your intended victims ignored your racist hatred and turned the defense of human rights and civil rights into something with beauty.

Must have pissed you off no end, huh?

AG / Davi;

El Chivo is right.

You not only launched a cultural and religous offensive in attacking the Danzas Indigenas monument, but the _entirety_ of the attack by SSOS is nothing BUT a cultural and racial issue.

It's right up front on your website - the premise that Mexicans are turning the US into a "Third World Cesspool."

Joe Turner has said we are all - and I quote- "Savages."

In your own comments above you say our presence here effectively pollutes your national culture.

Other SOSers have commented that we are not, in effect, FIT to participate in your "advanced" culture.

You also despise our _political_ claims to the land. How many SOS signs have I seen saying "This is OUR (white) Land!"?

Your concern for the sanctity of the law reeks of pathos.

It all boils down to "we stole it fair and square and if it wasn't fair and square well, it works in my favor, so there, it's the LAW. Justice be damned."

But the law is not sanctified, it is not holy, it is oppressive.

Bear in mind AG, that the Nazi Holocaust was "legal."

Bush claims the "legal" right to torture and spy.

"Law" as we live it is like this - he who has the gold rules and he who has the guns has the gold.

"Law" is not some neutral good. It is something imposed by the rich on the poor, by the white on the non-white, by the man on the woman, by the powerful nations on the weak ones.

And don't try to pass of thsi thing about "all that being in the past" and that you are not responsible for what your ancestors did.

It won't fly.

You forget who you are talking to.

I _lived_ under Apartheid in the US - I _lived_ under Jim Crow. It was in _my_ lifetime - and I am _not_ old, not yet at least.

I lived under Jim Crow. It was _legal_.

You have no excuses left.

And, by the way, don't call me "Chico." I am not a "_boy_" and you are neither my father nor my master.

I'd expect that 99% of the SOSMM et al. people are Christians, and that probably 70 to 80% of their intended victims are Christians.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" is a Christian Commandement that few Christians follow. "What you do to the least of these, my brothers, ye do also unto me" is a dictate that also gets forgotten by most Christians. "I came to you and you knew me not" is another statement by Jesus that most Christians ignore.

Yes, I make fun of the religious, and I make fun of harmful rituals -- like "exorcisms" that result in maimings and killings -- but I'd never make fun of a life-arriming religion's dance or song. And I'm one of the more irreligious and disrespectful people one can find on Internet newsgroups. But even I don't stoop to the level of making fun of people's sacred rites and dances.

That's pretty damn low, even for Christianity which has been slaughtering, raping, and torturing brown people in Iraq who worship the "wrong" gods.

Yes it is somewhat oppressive to live under laws. When a prohibition is encountered, you have to yield to it, or you can challenge it in a court of law. That is the recourse; not violating it outright and seeking refuge in the company of racial brotherhood. For all the complaining and guilt tripping you do in regards to the percieved centuries of mistreatment and enslavement of "your people", you have also quickly succumbed to the actual enticements that sucked the previous indigeonous inhabitants of nearly every land on the planet into oblivion.
They, (meaning the ones who seek domination, control, power) have been extending bait in a racial direction at the expense of others so they will have yet another few generations of pawns at their disposal. Without regard to rules or laws, they pander to an incoming mass of people with offers of financial security, prosperity, ownership, education, etc.. They solicit in a racial manner and you gobble it up as if it was a well deserved reward. Look at what you have been saying about the masters in just the paragraphs you wrote to me. Try to envision the beads or shells being passed to you for the consignment of your futures, just as manhattan supposedly was bartered away a few centuries ago. All in violation of laws.
So, no! We do not appreciate both the givers and the takers. Both sides of that fraudulent transaction have defiled our constitution, bill of rights, laws, and culture. I am not going to take any racial liberties alongside anyone. I neither owe it or deserve it. I don't believe in it either. I believe in the constitution, bill of rights, and laws as a workable system and reject any racial protections or supremacy. And I'm not Mexican. I'm not Chicano or Latino either. I'm American. You are the one infected with a racial agenda that is ravaging your present and will dominate your future. I will not willingly shed one drop of blood defending anyone who adheres to such principles, but will risk my life for the preservation of the ideal that casts race preferences aside in favor of equality. Equal doesn't mean special treatment. And yes, the constitution specifies protections of our borders as well.

Yes, words fail me. What I wrote above is not even close to the nausea I felt when I saw the two video clips. For all the usual banter here, I’m going to answer your response seriously. When you mock the culture and religions of others, I’m not good with quick quips and smarmy sarcasm.

Border Raven, I think Ayahollah was telling the truth, or a big part of it. Saturday was a sacred day for him, and perhaps for many of the minutemen and Save Our Staters. Why else are the videos of the dancers making their way around your internet circles? Let me explain.

“A ‘holy’ event . . . to preserve our country, our constitution, our national identity”, Ayatollah? I’ve spent some time puzzling over your response to my post, and it seems to come down to this statement. So you were not in church on Sunday. You were in church on Saturday, worshipping your country, your constitution, your national identity.

Now, the christian god, the one I and probably you were raised with, is a god that defines truth from falsehood, reality from illusion, and right from wrong. Nearly all modern gods perform these functions, and I gather from what you wrote that you assign those functions to your country, your constitution, and your national identity.

Let me leap beyond the consequences of that position to its conclusion: that you endorse the United States as a theocracy. But more—the state is not in service to god, it is god. That is statolatry, fascism. Your state is the eternal, omniscient, omnipotent Prime Mover. It is Right, Truth, and Good, in their final, ultimate senses. It is unchanging, an effect without a cause, and the cause of everything else. It is Logos.

Further, if god is a singularity, then the country, the constitution, and national identity are a singularity, a holy trinity, different manifestations of the same entity. The country had no existence prior to the constitution; the national identity is a fixed point without reference to time or space. Politicians are priests, citizens are supplicants.

So it seems no wonder that you mock the indigenous peoples, because in your vision, they can’t exist since nothing can precede the state/god. The latest version of the Aztec Dancers mockery is titled "Pretend Indians Against White People." They must be “pretend.”

And I think I intellectually comprehend your refusal to accept change to what you label a national identity, what I call the white nation. The State is the father, the constitution is the holy spirit, and a blond, blue-eyed son is the national identity. All Others are beyond salvation, unless they “see the light,” and worship and emulate--assimilate with--the “one, true” son/savior.

What you’re espousing is precisely statolatry. Let me suggest that you check in with OldPreach on what the Babylon of Revelation is all about.

"1933… The Nazi newspaper says 'Jews can never be anything but stateless aliens, they can never have any legal or constitutional status.' A concentration camp for imprisoning Nazi opponents is set up at Dachau."

http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_holocaust.html

Here's what AG, Joe Turner and company say about Mexicans and cesspools, with similar quotes for their good Neo-Nazi friends.

Now "Ayatollah", why do you particpate in a hate group?


http://www.saveourstate.org/

Mexifornia: California is Turning Into a Third World Cesspool!

http://www.resist.com/updates/2005/MAR_05/AryanUpdate_22MAR05.htm

But now that Texas society has been
transformed into a nigger, Jew, Mexican cesspool, most
of the healthy Whites have dropped the roper/doper act
and become full time chokers. When the day of fire and
sword comes, all Aryans will become chokers, at least
until victory.

Heil Hitler

http://www.whiterevolution.com/archives/2005/01/

Furthermore, encouraging the people who built this country to roll over and allow invaders to overrun it doesn’t benefit anyone except those who will turn it into just another third-world cesspool.

http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-158648Nazi_Salute_in_Azadi_Stadium_in_Tehran,_Iran.html

[COMMENT ON POST CIVIL RIGHTS ACT US]

“Your tribe was the moving force behind the post 1965 cesspool that is the current state of MY nation.”
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=830
Three months after the rally, fliers began showing up on windshields in Metro Atlanta proclaiming, "Missing: A Future for White Children." Doles told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution his group would "blanket" the state to "raise awareness of the immigration issue."
A year later, the National Alliance held another rally in Gainesville to protest what it called "the brown tide ... turning Hall County into just another Third World cesspool."

http://www.student.uit.no/~paalde/nazismexposed/page.php?id=6
from: earl@zeus.ia.net (Earl)
Subject: nazism
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:31:54 -0000


I've been studying jews, blacks, and White nationalists for three years. White Nationalism is a very rational response to what has happened worldwide
for the last 50-100 years. Jews will eventually destroy themselves as they destroy Whites. I always wonder why they never ask themselves what their precious minorities are going to do after Whites are destroyed. It is rather humorous watching the jews running California look increasingly strained now that the spanics are becoming a serious threat to their power. Those California jews helped the spanics suck the life out of stable White culture......Heh heh, now look at California becoming a third world cesspool.....Created by jews, brainwashed white liberals, feminists, and queers.

When the parasite kills the host, the parasite moves to another host or dies. What do blacks and mexicans have that is worth destroying Whites for? China isn't going to let you feed on them. Japan won't either. Jews never think ahead. They were taking too much in Germany just as they are today.

Earl

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=359


SOS forum member "Chris 2005," for instance, offered this up on July 25: "Mexicans are like pigs. They are by far the filthiest f-ing animals. I have also felt like I needed to get into a hot bathtub of water and soap and just soak until the filth comes off me after being near any of them. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them!"

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…Turner also wrote that "just because one believes in white separatism that does not make them a racist."


http://www.americanpatrol.com/COMMENTARY/READER-COMMENTS/0ReaderComments.html

5/25/02 -- Mr. Fox has to learn that having no borders with the U.S. is a double sword. Now that he has proclaimed the non existence of borders, we can go in there and clean up that cesspool called Mexico. He is number one on the list! Kick the entire thieving bunch of them out and make Mexico a protectorate of the U.S. Throw out their lousy constitution. U.S. Constitution, amigos! We don't fool around here! You will no longer have to sneak into our country because you'll have plenty of jobs in your own country, cleaning up the mess! --- H.P.-Laguna Woods, CA


http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/riot_erupts_at.php

In closing, “Dr.” Cuervo, permit me the hope you will read my posting about YOUR fine culture, your industrious people and present us with your explanation of our trashed, Hispanic-crime filled cities — From San Diego and Los Angeles, to the Atlantic coast. You might also touch on WHY they feel the need to be supported by our American taxpayers with food stamps, welfare checks, free health care, etc. Also your explanation of WHY your fine group is too stupid, too lazy or too unmotivated to even learn the language and (hopefully) live by the customs of their adopted country — instead of living like they do in the Mexican cesspool they emanate from. You might even, although I doubt you’re man enough to address this: Explain why your people insist on turning the areas they settle into miniature trashed cesspools — just like back home. You’d expect them, at the very least, to view their Anglo neighbors and try to clean their yards and homes, rather than LIVING DOWN TO THE LOW IMAGE WE HAVE OF THEM. Disregarding your fine phrases about cultural values, the ugly reality is your fine “bronze” people can never attain “human” status.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/155221/thread/1038807278/last-1039716827/MEXICO+IS+NO+FRIEND


MECHA is a cesspool of cowards and traitors who say they are fighting for "Latino civil rights" when in reality they seek to take back the "stolen territories" taken by the "brutal Gringo invaders."

First of all, There is hardly any real comparison between Jews and Mexicans; especially in relation to being stateless. Hitlers reach on Jews extended far beyond Germany's borders. Having recognized that Hitlers aim was to crush the Jewish religion world wide, the same cannot be said for SOS's wish that all illegal immigrants be deported to their countries of origin. Being deported to your home country does not make one stateless, nor does it imply that desire.

As for all that other gobbledygook from all those race oriented sites: What did you expect you would find there? I don't belong to stormfront; Nor have I even heard or visited some of those other sites. None of those speak for me. I doubt seriously that any of them reflect the mainstream SOS membership either. ChrisF has a strong opinion not shared by most SOS members either. This is the problem with most of you. You keep siezing upon this race issue and promoting it as the basis of our discord when it is not really the case. There are race issues all over the planet, so picking a fight with that as your basis is like going hunting for your lunch in a local zoo. Keep taking the easy fight and you'll never grow beyond what's placed before you by those who want you to have only that.
I believe that laws equally enforced are far more equitable than the constant turmoil of changing cultures and their resulting quasi governments. The current trend towards ignoring the law in favor of making the playing field larger first, ignores the premise that inclusion is supposedly founded on. You tell me that we are supposed to abandon the system in place right now because it is unjust to those who weren't included before, but to do that you must discard the efforts of those who were. So it seems to me that rather than seeking justice, it is revenge you are after. The pendulum reward I like to call it. I am not going to subscribe to it.
As for Leslies' sermon:
I fell asleep during it just like so many other pointless lectures. Thanks for that Leslie. I don't sleep much anymore.

What a pathetic man you are.

What the comments from the various Nazi and other racist websites all have in common is that they all refer to Mexican culture as a cesspool, just as your org, SOS does, on the front page of your website.

These are your ideological running buddies.

Unlike the Nazis, however, you lack the courage of your convictions, and are still hiding from who and what you are.

> In your own comments above you say our
> presence here effectively pollutes your
> national culture.

Not to mention, many racists think that their gene pool is being "polluted." If you look at their Storm Front, Aryan Nations, National Vanguard, and even their Prussian Blue web sites -- it's a lot of distates at white women being screwed by "mud people." The supposed "purity" of anglo genes are being sullied.

Genetic diversity _strengthens_ a species.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

> Yes it is somewhat oppressive to live under laws.

Yeah, for the survivors who _get_ to live.

When Austra was invaided by the Nazi Germans, they also had a lot of laws dictated to them by their oppressors. Then when Poland was invaided, they had even more oppressive laws dictated to them by their Nazi invaiders.

Playing pretend that one can "work within the system" to correct such laws is absurd. It doesn't work. It required an armed uprising and the unified assistance of the Allied countries to correct the laws that Nazi Germany imposed.

Eventually we'll have another American Revolution, and eventually maybe we'll finally wind up with a Constitutional Republic under a farcial Democracy once again. And the issue of whether human rights extend to all humans -- not just those born within some border boundary -- will have to be resolved.

I don't have the convictions of a nazi, so there is little need for me to courageously defend that. Your little closeted world of "either you're a mexican or you're a nazi" must be a pretty stifling place as far as creativity is concerned. But I'll point out that there are more, and different ideologies supported by a lot more people here in america than you let yourself see. Just examine the rediculous and repetitiously shallow remarks that Rice just wrote. ; I married an indigeounous island girl and we have children who are from his beloved referenced "polluted gene pool". Yet I still support SOS? Why would this be? Could it be that I see that the majority of SOS members are not Nazis and would not seek to harm the futures of my offspring with some hidden agenda that would supposedly creep out and enslave or deny them?
Of course it is. Your sinister label is so far off base, and people are starting to catch on to it now. And it is likely that all the wolf crying you keep doing on this racial nonsense is one of the prime reasons for that. Sure I have seen discrimination in my life too. but there are ways to address it under this system, but you have to accept that someone will tell you "no" every so often. This is a far cry better than your rediculous proposals that all laws are unjust, therefore shouldn't be obeyed

"Ayatollah," Heirophant, Mussolini, whatever you call yourself ...

Do you support the _content_ of the message below from http://www.saveourstate.org/

"Mexifornia: California is Turning Into a Third World Cesspool! "

Yes or no. Be straight for once.

Maybe the SOS would rather be lumped in with Jean Marie Le Pen, or Jorg Haider. I found a guy named Tony Halme who could be their Schwartzenegger.

Those guys, unlike Hitler and Mussolini, are alive, well, and a present threat.

Yes I do. I do not appreciate many of the lifestyles that are surfacing here in California right now. Lawlessness for one. illegaly entering the country; working without documentation; misusing identities; driving without license or instruction; fraudulent use of social benefits; living too many people to households for extended periods; vote fraud; immigration fraud; The list is extensive.
We told congress many years ago what we would accept in the way of incoming immigrants from all parts of the globe. I do not appreciate the methods by which our neighbor to the south bypasses that. It is a lifestyle issue to me, and nothing race based.

> I don't have the convictions of a nazi

And yet you support and defend the SOSMM which has repeatedly been photographed and identified hanging with Nazis. Damn, dude, care to explain yourself a little better?

I've spelled it out so many times, even to you. I cannot expel an illegal alien from my block, how would you expect me to evict a nazi. You can't do it either. I've been photographed in the company of police officers also, but I'm not one. I've been quite often amidst the homeless encampments too, but I have a home. You seem to have a loosely held criteria for association. If being in the vicinity is enough to label, then lions would be classified as vegetarians for hanging out near the zebras.

Every body says: "How are we going to get all the 10-20 million illegal mexicans out of the country?

A modest proposal....put a cash bounty on Mexican scalps. Say...$50.00 per scalp. I know people who would pay $50.00 for the chance to deal with these filthy invading brown hordes. You could sell hunting licenses.

Mexicans would disappear very quickly.

Since the idea of actually defending our country is too violent for many of the sqeemish types, how about a less drastic method: Give a $1,000.00 tax credit to every person or business for each illegal alien they identify at the job appication stage. When Pedro comes in to work and he can' produce a birth certificate or other proof of citizenship, thrown a net over him, call the Federals, and get a $1,000 tax credit of your federal income tax. It helps people to do the right thing if they['re paid for it in some way.

If Mexicans don' want to be killed or jailed, let them stay in Mexico and realize the "Mexican Dream."

Another idea....give a $1,000

Do you have a better idea?

It's instructive.

> I cannot expel an illegal alien from my block,
> how would you expect me to evict a nazi.

There's that Republican IQ once again.

You need to explain why you join, support, defend, and applaud a hate cult that has known Nazi, Stormfront, National Alliance, and KKK members, supporters, and followers. You need to explain why you don't join a legitimate anti-illegal immigration group if you don't agree with the white supremacists among the SOSMM. You need to explain why you don't walk away and join a legitimate, not-hate-predicated anti-illegal immigration group.

Jesus Fucking H. Christ, you'd think even a Republican could get the fucking question right.

Get cracking on that explanation. I don't mean now, I mean right now.

No offense intended.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

First of all frederick,

The profanity didn't do much to encourage me. I read somewhere once that "profanity is the efforts of an ignorant mind trying to express itself forcefully.

Second, I'm not republican, not that it should make a difference.

And to answer your question, which is really more of an accusation as usual, SOS isn't a nazi hate goroup as you describe. I know you don't, and may never agree with this, but I do. And that is because I interact with the membership in a manner that you never have...for obvious reasons. To further answer, I cannot let the presence of others who have a racist agenda stand in the way of my pursuit. No matter where you find people, you will fing distasteful attitudes. If I were forced to vacate a group or area each time an undesirable attitude surfaced, I would not be able to comingle with anyone or any group. Plus, those who opposed my ideas or my pursuits could easily pollute the membership with a negative influence just to dissuade me. I'm not going to waste a bunch of my time on this now Fred, as I am well aware of how stubborn you are, so that is it in a post for you. the majority of my SOS betheren are not members of Stormfront, or National Alliance or similar. I am within, and I comingle with them all the time. I have many times stated that I would not be allowed to join National alliance or any other "whites only type groups as I am precluded by their membership rules. And now my children would be also, having crossed the genetic boundaries once again. So I would certainly not pour fuel into an organization that would seek an agenda that wishes to deny them advantage simply do to their bloodlines. But neither will I willingly watch another group or offshoots of, take safe harbor based on theirs either. And thier are so many of us that feel that way that we joined together to oppose it. And of course you know the name of it....SOS.

What exactly is wrong with me wanting to live in a lawful and clean neighborhood? I do not want 300 people coming to my block for several hours each day and littering, drinking, and working under the table. When they leave, they leave the trash, and when they stay, they attract gangsters and illegal contractors.

Dr. David A. Yeagley, an American Indian and direct descendant of the Comanche warrior Bad Eagle says it best:

America today is making the same mistake we Indians made nearly four centuries ago. America is letting in too many foreigners. And we Indians could end up losing this country all over again. It may come as surprise to many white people who have been brainwashed by the media to see Indians as the ultimate liberals, but there are few groups in America today who take a dimmer view of mass immigration than the American Indian.

The Comanches were one of the most intolerant of all Indian peoples. We had no use for anyone else, white, Mexican or Indian. When we came thundering down on the southwest plains, we took the land we wanted and ran everyone else off. We created the life we wanted, at the expense of other people. The white man did the same. Only he did it on a grander scale.

In many ways, Indians see the white man as a kind of adopted son -- naive, reckless and destructive, at times -- but nevertheless cut from the same warrior cloth as we were. We do not see black, Mexicans, Asians, Arabs and others in this light. These peoples may have their own virtues and traditions, but they have no history with us. They are strangers. If they want to rule us, they must conquer us the way the white man did -- on the battlefield, by force of arms. That is the only honorable way for a warrior.

The white man seems to have lost his spirit. We see that he is giving this country away to [illegal alien] others, and this fills our hearts with fear. For we are part of the land he is giving away . . . The white man must regain his warrior soul and take back his land! In that fight, I will stand by his side and offer whatever strength I have to ensure his victory!"

Please don't take articles or quotes, and repost them to the comments as if that person was writing to the thread. Instead, post as yourself, and quote the article.

I read that from Dr. David A. Yeagley and was considering posting it here, quoting it of course. Keep in mind this is the opinion of one Native American. I'm not aware if he is creating the same feeling among a group or organization.

I don't follow through with that, the way he would include whites and exclude the other listed races. His words totally favor the likes of white supremacists, separatists, nationalists, etc.

Those words also glorify the idea of conquest and fighting with choice words such as "the only honorable way for a warrior."

I think those two points should be considered UnAmerican, rather than American.

Way to go, JammerCC.

Your agenda is ethnic cleansing.

Why don't you just come out once and say it?

Sincerely,

Nazi Hunter

______________________________

Not straight enough for you nazi hunter?
by AyatollahGondola Sunday, Jan. 29, 2006 at 1:35 PM

What exactly is wrong with me wanting to live in a lawful and clean neighborhood? I do not want 300 people coming to my block for several hours each day and littering, drinking, and working under the table. When they leave, they leave the trash, and when they stay, they attract gangsters and illegal contractors.

He's just another person from a traditionally oppressed group who is trying to get popular with the right wing. He's another Larry Elder or Michelle Malkin. The angry white folks eat that stuff up.

I'd have to cleanse my own family from my neighborhood as a consequence of your accusation Mr Nazi H
You don't have anything but a wanton desire to make your baseless charges stick here. You'd make a lousy prosecutor, going to court and trying to prove your case with that type of evidence. But you do make a good Nazi.

>>>>>What exactly is wrong with me wanting to live in a lawful and clean neighborhood? I do not want 300 people coming to my block for several hours each day and littering, drinking, and working under the table. When they leave, they leave the trash, and when they stay, they attract gangsters and illegal contractors.
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when i was in the east coast working in a afterschool the neighborhood was not clean. the people was working class american. you can see bottle of beers, wines, trash on the streets everyday. also, the neighborhood attract alot of gangs. They are not the socalled illegals doing this. This is you next agenda right AyatollahGondola getting rid of Americans living like this. Who is to blame AG? your blaming the working class Americans also.

I like Larry Elder.

It has been my agenda for a long time. The cry for law enforcement did not begin with the influx of illegals. That just compounded it to an exponential degree. I want all criminals prosecuted. Litterers, drug users, public drunks....everyone. If all the illegal aliens left or were deported, I'd be able to go back to not minding my own business with American derelicts only. I wonder if you still scream "racist" at me if I continued my SOS style protesting at Americans only.

"Ayatollah" (man, analyze That) protests he's just not into ethnic cleansing.

That's the problem with the MLK cleanse-you-soul-of-racism approach - everything is subjective, and personla - whereas racism is a system, not just an attitude.

Ayatollah is a member of SOS. A simple look at SOS's proposal in San Bernadino for an anit-migrant law would make yu think you were reading Nazi proposals for Jews. No migrant allowed to work, rent, or basically live in the area.

It's a proposal for Apartheid, which was nothing but a program for ethnic cleansing.

Next the BIg "A" tells us his other targets are, basically, lower class "criminals" who seem to live in "bad" neigborhoods" and that he's all about "law enforcement."

Well, we all know who goes to jail at rates ten times that of white incaceration - Native Americans, and Blacks, followed by Mexicans.

His letter reads like that of an obsessed Inquisitor, who just can't get enough of punishment - of punishing _someone_.

What a sick puppy.

Anyone know a good vet?

"Ayatollah wants to know if "you still scream "racist" at me if I continued my SOS style protesting at Americans only."

He headed his piece "Yes Chief."

That's like "Yes, Sambo."

Or Yes Pancho."

Or, Yes, Geronimo."

He uses a degrading racist term in reply to a point, then wonders if we would still call him a racist.

Sick man.

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Yes Chief
by AyatollahGondola Monday, Jan. 30, 2006 at 2:19 PM

Listen to this lameness: AG writes:

"I cannot expel an illegal alien from my block, how would you expect me to evict a nazi. You can't do it either."

This is his excuse for Nazis joining in SOS demos.

He says we can't expell Nazis.

I say, TRY US AND SEE.

I've seen it done, Punk.

Let them try to join us on our side of the street. They wouldn't last 2 minutes.

We can stop them, and so could you - IF YOU WANTED TO.

__________________

Explain to whom?
by AyatollahGondola Thursday, Jan. 26, 2006 at 5:03 PM

I've spelled it out so many times, even to you. I cannot expel an illegal alien from my block, how would you expect me to evict a nazi. You can't do it either.

Having never met him, I don't or didn't know if he was Indian. If you took the time to think over my posts rather than just reacting to them, you might figure out why I call him Chief. But then, you'd have to first cast out YOUR bias.
I won't hold my breath on that one.
Also, it would be unconstitutional and against the civil rights act to deny someone that you think is a Nazi to "last" 2 minutes on YOUR side of the street. Like it or not, free speech is the law of the land. Infringing upon it is a violation of a persons civil rights.
And,,,, there are plenty of nazi attitudes on YOUR side of the street. You just do not subscribe to the pot calling kettle black theory.
And what is this "punk" adjective? I'm well into my 50's and I've made that known. Pay attention in class here kids. The details in life or far more important that firey rhetoric.