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Minutemen Not in Burbank

by Leslie Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 10:23 PM
leslie@radiojustice.net

In spite of assurances to mainstream media, the minutemen stayed away from Burbank this morning. Counterprotestors braved cold and wet weather to be on hand, just in case.

Minutemen Not in Bur...
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BURBANK, January 14, 2006--On Tuesday, the minutemen promised the Los Angeles Times that they'd be at the new Burbank Home Depot today to protest the day labor center there. On Thursday, the leader of Save Our State, a minuteman spinoff group, reasserted that promise and again told the Times that there would "probably" be members of his organization at the site today. The minutemen didn't show up.

But Mexica Movement was there, to defend the laborers from the near-weekly assaults by minutemen across the Los Angeles basin. The minutemen, reluctant to patrol the border through the winter months, have taken to harassing day laborers in more temperate areas of the state for the season. Apparently, this morning's wet and chilly weather kept the minutemen at home.

Last month, Save Our State cancelled an announced protest against laborers in San Bernardino, citing the possibility of rain, which hadn't been predicted and didn't materialize.

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They were in Alhambra

by Reporter Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 10:25 PM

curses! Foiled again.

lol
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There are no Minutemen in Alhambra

by MinisterofTruth Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 10:45 PM

There are no Minutem...
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Alhamba
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I Heard It Was ALABAMA

by Billy Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 10:53 PM

I Heard It Was ALABA...
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Counterprotesters?

by Border Raven Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 11:14 PM

Uh, if people show up to counterprotest, but wind up standing alone, then aren't they protesters?

BTW -- Depending on the purpose for my participation in an event, I am either a Minuteman or SOS.

If I go to a day labor site or center, I am representing SOS.

If I go to the border, I am a Minuteman.

Last Thursday, in San Bernardino, I was a Minuteman. I had a great time, by the way. I looked but didn't see you there Leslie. You could have interviewed me.
It was good to face the accusers and witness them. I think Jesse Diaz, was high on drugs or drunk. Is he always like that?



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Hector Was There

by SOSJew Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 11:38 PM

Hector Was There...
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Looking for Jew, and gays, no doubt.
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Hector Was WHERE? - ALABAMA?

by Billy Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 1:55 AM

In a related story, I heard Jim Gilchrist spent the weekend praying at George Wallaces grave site.
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Hector Was WHERE? - ALABAMA?

by Billy Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 1:56 AM

Hector Was WHERE? - ...
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In a related story, I heard Jim Gilchrist spent the weekend praying at George Wallaces grave site.
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Admirer

by Billy Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 1:57 AM

Admirer...
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American crime in Tijuana

by Gringo with friends in TJ Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 10:33 AM

One of the leading causes of crime in Tijuana is North American border crossers. American Navy personnel and fucked up American weekend murderers come down to Tijuana, fuel the illegal prostitution business, and in some cases murder Mexican prostitutes for fun.

Americans bring guns into Mexico, increasing crime. The fuel the drug market which brings smugglers to the border area and causes corruption in Mexico.

Maybe its time for Mexicans to put together their own squads to keep out the white trash.
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WIthout a doubt, the WORST ever.

by Don Silva Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 3:13 PM

Was that bottom part with the dateline from the Times???

There were sooo many non-factual statements, they outnumbered the facts ! Man, that was stinking bad.

I am not even going to issue a correction. It would take too much time due to all that I would need to do.

It is nice to see the Mexica guys be the first to protest the DLC there. Give the media on hand a wiff of those signs ! I will say that they do not see to want to show those signs on the air...hmmm, wonder why ?
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So they soldiers who hide behind the police

by Morley Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 3:38 PM

from the mythical land of Atzlan were protecting no one from Invisible Minutemen.
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Minutemen/SOS finally get the point

by Mexica Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 4:49 PM

The SOS/Minutemen racists finally got the point on Saturday:

they stayed away.


Their M.I.A. let us hold a recruiting drive,
and we got to speak with some very non-racist Europeans, one was a student journalist from USC .

It was good all around.
There were Europeans who honked for us
and gave us the thumbs up as they entered Home Depot.
For a growing number of Europeans, logic is prevailing.

Europeans themselves are not all cast from the Minuteman mold, as shown by the paltry attendance to last week's "Stop the Invasion" picnic.

The Mexica Movement wants all Europeans to return to their homeland in Europe.
But we want the racist ones to leave first. They will be much happier in Europe.
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White Trash Cowards

by Anarchist Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 7:11 PM

White Trash Cowards...
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Brian Hooks and Thomas S. Daugherty got their kicks by murdering the homeless in Fort Lauderdale.

This is what white people do. Deport them back to Europe.
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Another example of how Americans degrade the quality of life in Mexico

by @ Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 7:29 PM

American perverts have been invading the borderlands of Mexico, bringing their filthy perversions with them. Here is an important article about this sort of Gringo border crime in Mexico. Maybe Mexico needs to keep Gringos out in order to keep Mexican children safe:

TIJUANA – A nonprofit group based in the United States is sponsoring a campaign of advertisements and billboards across Tijuana that targets foreign visitors looking for sex with children.

Messages, written in big letters in English and smaller ones in Spanish, are direct: "Exploit a child sexually in this country and you will go to jail in yours." A man behind bars appears in a photo.

Another ad, bearing the sad face of a child with dark hair and eyes, reads: "I am not a tourist attraction and it's against the law to turn me into one."

In all, eight billboards and 80 smaller ads have gone up in areas heavily traveled by tourists, such as near the San Ysidro and the Otay Mesa border crossings, Avenida Revolución and the Zona Norte. They also are in Rosarito.

"We know that the majority of the abusers come from abroad," said Miriam Hernández, coordinator of the campaign, which was organized by World Vision International, a U.S.-based nonprofit that works to improve the quality of life of children.

"The foreigners, most of whom come from the United States, go to other countries to commit these crimes because they believe that once they leave Mexico, nothing will happen to them. We are telling them that's not going to be the case anymore."

The campaign, which began in late November and will last a year, has the support of the U.S. Consulate General in Tijuana, the Tijuana City Council and the Human Rights Commission of Baja California.

Marisa Ugarte is director of the Bilateral Safety Corridor Coalition, a nonprofit that works with law enforcement agencies on both sides of the border to help exploited children and women. She said that under laws approved in the United States last year, Americans suspected of committing sexual crimes against a child in countries such as Mexico can face prosecution back home.

Michael Scollan, assistant agent for regional security at the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, said that complaints from Mexican authorities to the consulate will be forwarded to U.S. law enforcement agencies for investigation. A suspect could be charged in the United States or extradited and charged in Mexico, he said.

He said several cases of pedophiles and "sexual tourists" are under investigation, but declined to give details.

There are no statistics on the number of minors engaged in prostitution in Tijuana, but Victor Clark Alfaro, a human rights activist in the region, estimates that 8,000 children live in Tijuana's streets.

"This makes Tijuana a fertile ground for child molesters and pedophiles," he said. "Children face challenges because they are more vulnerable and cannot defend themselves."

María Elvira Amaya de Hank, the wife of Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon and president of the government's family protection agency, which also in participating in the billboard campaign, said that children who engage in prostitution range in age "from 6 to 17 years. Eighty percent are males and the rest are females."

"Most are from Tijuana, the children of migrant parents who abandoned them when they crossed to the United States," she said. "The majority are the children of single mothers." All are from families with problems, she said.

It is common that in exchange for a plate of food or a toy, a child will sell his body, campaign coordinator Hernández said.

The Center for the Social Protection of Children is a temporary shelter for children who live on the streets and those who have engaged in prostitution.

Government officials say most of the homeless children have not finished elementary school and suffer from malnutrition, skin infections, gastrointestinal problems and sexually transmitted diseases.

This year, six children were found to be infected with HIV.

The homeless children roam the streets in areas with the most economic, commercial and tourist activity.

Hernández said Tijuana has a toll-free phone number, 075, that people can use to report adults who are sexually exploiting children.

"For this type of campaign to work, we must all participate," she said.
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just in case-

by Look closer... Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 at 8:00 PM

World Vision International, a U.S.-based nonprofit that works to improve the quality of life of children.

- World Vision has on a number of occasions functioned as an intelligence gathering arm of the U.S. government. In the 1970's World Vision was charged with having collected field data for the CIA in Vietnam. After U.S. troops left the region, World Vision played a major role in the administration of refugee camps...World Vision also became a crucial player in the "yellow rain" campaign to discredit the Soviet Union... -

http://www.seekgod.ca/worldvisioncont.htm
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LOL! Duped AGAIN!

by Hellfire USA Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 12:48 AM

That's TWICE you've been led to water and forced to drink where there was none! SOS is waaaay ahead of you.
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Speaking of Minuteman/SOS

by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 1:03 AM

It seems that when I post on the SOS board, my posts have to be previewed by a moderator first. I wanted to post something in their Dissenters forum, but I'll post it here anyways.

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Greetings ladies and gentlemen,

I wish to address Joe Turner's behavior in Laguna Beach on July 30th, 2005, and I'm not being passive aggressive. I spoke with a college student in person who was there on that day. He stated that he argued with Mr. Turner and that Turner used words such as "uneducated" and "Spics." Yes, the word "Spics." He also said that the Nazis were about to confront them for a fight and Joe laughed and said that he was going to get his "ass kicked."

I find that to be such vulgar behavior, if I may say so myself. And I'm not being passive aggressive by the way. Oh dear my!

Would Mr. Joe Turner care to respond to this? I emailed him on another matter and he has invited me to post in this internet forum.
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reply

by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 1:04 AM

This is true by the way, the conversation I had with the gentleman. He's a college student who seems to be very bright and has a free mind of his own by the way. Cheers to him.
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So what'[s tyhe difference?

by Fredric L. Rice Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 12:50 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

I see from the photographs that the Mexica Movement -- by reiviewing their protest signs -- continues to spew racist hatred against whites. How is what they advocate and what their rhetoric states any different than the SOSMM et al. scumbag racists?

I'd seriously like to know.

My opinions only and only my opinions.
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reply

by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 12:54 PM

I'm not sure if you're addressing a certain person here. But I haven't really focused on the Mexica Movement. I haven't been paying them a lot of attention I guess. I see what I see in SOS and related groups regardless of other groups out there, rather than say okay if this group does this, then that group can do the same.
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The concept of "homeland" is problematic

by Skeptic Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 2:06 PM

To those in the Mexica Movement who believe that I should be sent to Europe due to the color of my skin, I would say:

Sorry. My ancestors came from Italy, but Italy is not my "homeland". There's no "right of return" in Europe, and if I should decide that I wanted to live in Italy, it would not be for any reasons of ancestry, but for rational reasons.

The Mexica types might want to remember that not only are a very great many Mexican citizens at least partially descended from Europeans, but that the pre-Columbian indigenes were themselves the descendants of people who migrated to the Americas from Asia.

What are those Mexicans expected to do? Cut themselves into pieces, a' la Solomon's judgment, and ship the "European" bits to Spain?

The kind of Know-nothingism that assigns people value according to who their ancestors were is poisonous irrespective of who the Know-nothings are.

The ethnically-based nation-state has had its run. Its contradictions are becoming insupportable. It's time for a new development to replace it.

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The Ethnically Based Nation State

by Francisco Villa Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 3:29 PM

The US _is_ an ethnically based nation state.

It is a genocidal white colonial settler regime.

I don't agree with casting out the settlers, per se, but I do believe in the destruction of the white colonial settler state. Think of it in terms of Palestine.

The Jews don't have to go, but the Jewish state does.

Fortunately, the system is going to collapse under the weight of its own abuses of Mother Earth, the animals and the air and water and do so sooner rather than later.

Let's hope it's not too late.

By the way, I'm emphatically not a member of the "Mexica Movement" as a discrete organization.
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OMFG

by johnk Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 5:34 PM

OMFG...
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I'm going to mark this day on the calendar. It's the first time I've seen someone use the word "discrete" correctly on a website, in a political/current-affairs thread response.

Also, it's true about America -- it's still an extension of England. Most of the Presidents, and most of the Senate, are white protestant men.

To Fred:

The main difference between Mexica Movement and the WS groups is that the WS are operating in a country that used to have legal white supremacy until less than 50 years ago... and the Mexica Movement are nationalists for a group that was oppressed by this white supremacy.

I've attached a photocomp to explain.

Also, the Mexica Movement seems to be mostly about education and raising self-respect among the poor. They don't seem to be that concerned with helping affluent Mexicans overcome their oppression. That's what I get from their website.
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That difference

by Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 at 11:45 AM
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> The main difference between Mexica Movement and
> the WS groups is that the WS are operating in a
> country that used to have legal white supremacy until
> less than 50 years ago... and the Mexica Movement
> are nationalists for a group that was oppressed by
> this white supremacy.

Yes, that's a legitimate difference, however I was looking at the web pages on the Mexica Movement's web site, and I've been looking at the photographs of protest signs that they use.

I suppose if I were to look at protest signs and writing of oppressed Negros during the 1960's -- and even look at the black seporatists of today -- I'd expect to see much the same.

Problem is, reviewing the Mexica Movement's web site, I honestly think it's pretty damn racist. The rare and occasional disclaimers don't help much.

My opinions only and only my opinions.
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homeland, meow, etc.

by WHITE ON RICE Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 at 9:09 PM

recently read an interesting, though obviously fabricated, story from extremely racist/homophobic voz de aztlan about being paid a visit by Dept of Homeland Security agents who supposedly poked around the dude's computer and home and asked a bunch of questions about Aztlan. I thought it was a fascinating image, these DHS dudes wandering lost in Aztlan trying to dig up info. but even more so coming from these bigoted born-again-aztec fools who think chimichangas & chanklas = consciousness, and it was interesting to me that the voz de aztlan guy went to so much trouble making up such an intricate story about it. Overlapping Homelands, Voz de Aztlan/Aryan Nation, Aztek warriors/secret govt agents, mirror shades/feather headdresses. In Voz de Aztlan's Monte Carlo Fantasy, a couple of Aztek warrior agents show up at Joe Turner's fat suburban home and start poking around to find out about threats to Aztlan Homeland Security/Aztec Purity from Aryan Invaders & other non-desirables.

for a more nuanced examination of these kinds of issues of racism/imperialism/homophobia/bigotry on both sides of the coin, check out City Terrace local Sesshu Foster's new novel Atomik Aztex, really cool & crazy shit coming from somebody with the experience, knowledge, and background to approach these kinds of questions with the complexity and sophistication they deserve. far out ideas and it's packed with lots of survival tips for the urban warrior, Aztek or otherwise.

Fred: lay off the katnip, homes. and drop the false modesty shuffle & simplistic analysis. you might just inch a mikrostep closer to enlightenment and kritikal thought patterns.

these are my opinions, and this is my reality--Y QUE!

C/S
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Mexica Movement, etc.

by johnk Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 3:28 PM

I see stuff on the Mexica Movement that's excessively nationalistic to me. I was surprised about their goal to create a national consciousness based on past history, like Italy did -- that was a red flag for me.

However, the bulk of what I read was focused on arguing the point that mexicans are native amerians. That's an unpopular idea, but, it's factually more accurate than not. It also argues that they're they're one people -- I'm not buying that, but, they aren't any more different than the diverse groups of people anywhere -- the land ultimately influences the culture more than the people influence the land.

Their most incendiary stuff is about kicking out Europeans. (I don't agree with that, because I'm an "open borders" "coalition" guy as some of the anti-immigrant people say.) When I read that, I thought, "damn, the white folks won't like that one!"

I think of that stuff as mostly rhetorical grandstanding. It can't happen today, nor in the forseeable future. (Perhaps I'm myopic.)

This talk has to be taken in context. We're in a country that, until the 1960s, moved ethnic groups around, and controlled where they could exist.* Mexican americans and native americans have been moved around, told to exist in specific places, and even made to leave the country. The entire system of reservations moved many people far from their actual home lands -- it's not necessarily a way to "preserve" anything, and can be a tool to depopulate an area.

I take the rhetoric to eject Europeans to be 25% real, and 75% revenge talk to freak out white people. I assume it also resonates with a lot of people who have family stories about being moved around by the system, who feel like they have no right to exist.


(* See City of Quartz to learn about how this impacted Los Angeles. The reason why the westside was so white, and the eastside was brown, was due to defacto racism. That's why people marvel at how "segregated" LA is -- it's just the residual effect of actual segregation.)
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Quite true, Johnk

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 4:52 PM
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That's all quite true. It's also very true that the people who lived in North America were virtually exterminated by the Europeans, something that has never been even marginally rectified. Check out like on the Navajo "Big Res" reservation -- it's not exactly traditional poverty, but the worst weapon Europeans brought with them was alcohol.
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Small Pox and other diseases traveled

by Border Raven Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 6:46 PM

The History of human evolution, migration and exploration, guarantee the transportation of diseases to people lacking immunity.

It was inevitable, that the peoples somewhere, would develop better transportation and navigation methods, enabling them to travel and explore other areas. Unfortunately they carried diseases and parasites, on themsleves, their vehicles, and their cargo.

Today, we have identified many diseases, formed policies, established borders and ports of entry, in an effort to detect and control dangers to our society.

For instance a plant, animal or person traveling from one region to another, can carry tiny microsopic parasites (microbes, nematodes, etc.), but the receiving region, may not have the immunity or defenses to protect its plants, animals or people.

This can lead to epidemics, and major loss of plant, animal or human life.

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small pox

by pete nice Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 7:56 PM

Small pox was used as a chemical weapon, a WMD. Look it up!!
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Burbank Today

by Hermano Sunday, Jan. 22, 2006 at 8:19 PM

It's funny to read the SOS site. They were outnumbered 150 to 100 - but since they never got anywhere near such numbers before they are congratulating themselves on their "victory."

Of course they claim "victory" if they turn out 7 people and if their imagination tells the somone didn't get hired because they were there, so, yawn.





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Outnumbered

by El Chivo Sunday, Jan. 22, 2006 at 8:32 PM

They were outnumbered again. It was a close count though, but most of them drove far to burbank as far from Arizona. when gas prices goes up will those people ever come back again I doubt that. Is that the best SOS can do? I think you can have a even number when Donnie calls out the National Vanguard again.
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HEY - El Chivo y Hermano

by Minutewoman Monday, Jan. 23, 2006 at 7:10 PM

Hola Hermano y El Chivo - you scoff at the numbers that show up to street protests.

Please consider this fact. The side of the street where you see the American flag - represents the couch vote.

What does that mean?

Millions and millions of Americans who VOTE - would stand on the side of the street where the American flag waves. Instead of street protesting - they vote.

And, El Chivo, you know my mantra...VOTE!
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small pox?

by Border Raven Thursday, Jan. 26, 2006 at 4:16 PM

Yes, at one time small pox was used as a ***,but it is not the only virus or fungus or mold, etc., which can be weaponized.

If needed anyone can cook up a batch of *** in their kitchen, or build a ****, in their garage, it only takes a little motivation.

BR -- The original
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