Analysis by John Earl

jearl@ocorganizer.com

(Note: to view video clips and hear audio clips of the conflict, as well as see more photos and related links, please go to: http://ocorganizer.com/html/monsoor.html

Costa Mesa Mayor Allan Mansoor believes that America is “a nation of laws.” That’s why, he says, the city’s police should be first in the nation to directly help deport “illegal aliens.” But conduct by Monsoor at two recent Costa Mesa city council meetings–-revealed mayoron video logs from two separate sources–-raises questions about his ability to correctly and impartially uphold the law, including basic First Amendment rights. Recent incidents also demand an examination of the constitutionality of Costa Mesa Municipal Codes related to public speech.

Mansoor sparked chaos during the public comments session of the January 3rd Costa Mesa city council where about 80 immigrant rights supporters versus 40 supporters of the recent closure of the city’s immigrant labor center and its new immigration law enforcement policy had converged for debate.

But of the total number of speakers on the subject of the city’s immigration policies, 18 were supportive of the mayor, one took the middle ground and only nine were opposed. Scores of people who were opposed to the mayor were not allowed to speak, and many tried but were not allowed to enter the council chambers.

Mansoor abruptly told immigrant rights activist Coyotly Tezcalipoca that his speaking time was up and adjourned the meeting. Tezcalipoca was pushed out of the council chambers by police officers and was later charged with resisting a peace officer and violating city codes by unlawfully addressing the city council and disorderliness.

Referring to Tezcalipoca, Chief of Police John Hensley told the Daily Pilot that “the individual’s time was up. He was asked to step away from the podium. He got angry and refused to follow instructions of the officers.” A report by OC Register reporter Brian Martinez stated that Texcalipoca “strongly resisted” before “officers dragged him out.” Martinez was sitting in the front row of the council chambers.

bigotBut Duane Roberts, who was standing close to the incident, and who acted as liaison between police and protesters that night, told the OCO that Tezcalipoca was “violently pushed” out of the council chambers by police. “At no time do I recall seeing Coytly resist arrest,” Roberts said.

Video records of the conflict show that Tezcalipoca’s time was not up, that resistance was absent or minimal and that he did not engage in disorderly conduct while the council meeting was in session. Other video clips from the January 3rd and December 6th city council meetings show that Mansoor applies one standard of conduct to his supporters and another to his critics.

The city’s online video of the January 3rd council meeting reveals the following sequence:

Speaking from the podium, Tezcalipoca demands that the city withdraw from a proposed agreement with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) branch of the federal government and accuses the council members who voted for it and for the recent closure of the city’s labor center for immigrants of gentrification by removing Latino immigrants from Costa Mesa.

“We know that you guys want to change the demographics of Costa Mesa,” he says. “We know your plot...We are going to be here and we’re going tstandagainsto fight this to the end. We’re not going to let this pass.”

Tezcalipoca then asks for members of the audience who agree with him to stand, but the Mayor interrupts him:

“No. I’m not going to do that.

Tezcalipoca: (to the audience) “Do it! Do it! Do it!”

Then, at 2 minutes and 18 seconds into Texcalipoca’s speech, Mayor Monsoor closes the meeting. “You know, we’re going to call for a break here. As a matter of fact”–

Tezcalipoca: (unitelligible)

Mayor: “His (sic) time is up, sir.”

Tezcalipoca (talking at the same time as the mayor): “Why are you talking then?”

Mayor: “It’s time for our public hearing. We’re going to call for a break here (at this point the city’s camera turns to the mayor where it remains) and when we return we’ll be starting with our public hearing”–

Tezcalipoca: “I’m not finished.”

Mayor: “--per our ordinance to conduct public hearings at 7 o’clock. Thank you.”

The city’s video turns off the regular sound and plays background music instead.

The “ordinance” that Mansoor refers to is actually a city council timeupresolution, but it doesn’t require public hearings to start at 7 P.M. Instead, Resolution 05-55 says that public hearings shall start “no earlier” than 7 P.M. “but as close as possible to, 7:00 P.M.” According to a reading of the time stamp on the city’s video, Mansoor had cut Tezcalipoca’s speech after 58 minutes and 21 seconds from the start of the council meeting. If the meeting started at 6 P.M. as planned, Tezcalipoca could have been given his final 21 seconds of speech without running into overtime. In any case, the Mayor is not obligated to start public hearings at 7 P.M.

Unlike the city’s video record, a video clip published on www.immigrationwatchdog.com includes the entire incident until Tezcalipoca was forced out the council chamber door. That account clearly shows that there is absolutely no “disorderly” conduct from Tezcalipoca when council is in session and strongly suggests he offered little or no physical resistance to officers at anytime prior to being taken outside.

removedThe video shows that one of several officers to surround Tezcalipoca during the incident places his hand on him as if to lead him off the podium. Tezcalipoca then talks to the officers, but doesn’t immediately leave. An officer then pushes the microphone away from Tezcalipoca’s face. Next, Tezcalipoca voluntarily walks (apparently limping several times) with officers toward the door. Suddenly, he says something to one of the police officers, apparently wanting to pick up his speech copy that he had left on the podium. The officer starts back toward the podium to grab the paper, but Tezcalipoca gets there nd angrily picks it up first. He starts to turn back toward the door. The officer facing him attempts to physically escort him, but Tezcalipoca lifts his arms and is soon heard saying several times “Don’t touch me” while also gesturing toward the door, possibly to say that he can walk on his own. Police Chief Hensley approaches and, according to one close-by witness, orders the officers to take Tezcalipoca outside. Two officers immediately grab him–one taking him by the back of his neck, the other by the arm–and quickly force him out the door.

Pandemonium breaks out in the council chambers. One woman yells repeatedly to Mansoor that he is a racist. Another loudly and histrionically sings “We shall overcome.” Then a group of the Mayor’s supporters break into an equally offensive rendition of “God headlock2bless America.”

It’s much less clear what happened on the outside. Several people claimed to have seen a Spanish language news network video showing police kicking Tezcalipoca. Several clips seen by this writer showed Tezcalipoca being choked and dragged along the ground and into an adjacent building. One officer is seen sitting on him while another drags both Tezcalipoca and the officer along the floor. All of this occurred under the watchful eye of a rather large and very angry crowd of Tezcalipoca’s supporters. One officer who I saw directly had a look of near panic on his face as he looked into the crowd which was yelling “why did you hit him?” (click here for audio)

Tezcalipoca has declined to comment about the incident for the record, pending consultation with his attorney.

Special Treatment For The Minuteman

There is nothing in the Costa Mesa Municipal Code that specifically prohibits a speaker from addressing the audience or precludes audience members standing as an expressionstanding of speech. But both the www.immigrationwatch.com (see video link below) and city videos indicate that the chaos was triggered by Mansoor’s objection to Texcalipoca’s request that audience members stand up to show solidarity. Yet, earlier in the same council meeting, Mansoor thanked Minuteman co-founder Jim Gilchrist, who supports the ICE proposal and gave high praise to the Mayor and other council members after his supporters rose and sat back down.

Gilchrist: “My name is Jim Gilchrist. I’m the founder of the Minuteman Project. At the end of my speech, I’m going to ask all the members of the Minuteman Project and their supporters to stand up rather than applaud and make a lot of noise. Okay? Will ya stand up?”

Mayor: “Actually–thank you. I appreciate that.” (Click here for audio)

Register reporter Brian Martinez claimed that an interview with the Mayor and a review of video footage “revealed that he [Mansoor] started to tell the Minutemen to stop standing and then cut his sentence short when they sat down quickly.” But the video footage ontopfails to back that interpretation and although Monsoor interrupted Gilchrist, he did so to praise him and clarify whether he would be speaking for others in his group, not to admonish as he did to Tezcalipoca.

Further evidence of the Mayor’s bias in enforcing rules can be seen in the city’s video record of public comments for the December 6th city council meeting–on the same night that the Mayor introduced his ICE proposal and a special election in the 48th Congressional District–in which Gilchrist was a candidate and illegal immigration was the main issue–took place. When a woman opposed to the proposal asked audience members to stand the mayor interrupted with “if you could please keep your comments to the council, please.”

Was The Mayor “Disorderly?”

Mansoor may have himself violated Costa Mesa’s Municipal Code. Section 2-60, regarding “Propriety of conduct of council members,” states that “Members of the council shall not, by disorderly, insolent or disturbing action, speech, or otherwise, substantially delay, interrupt or disturb the proceedings fo the council.” Clearly, Mansoor’s arbitrary actions January 6th created the very situation that city codes are meant to prevent.

January 3rd wasn’t the fist time that Mansoor cut off Tezcalipoca’s speaking time and caused disruption of a city council meeting. At the December 6th meeting Mansoor got upset when Tezcalipoca called him a “racist pig.”

Mayor: “Sir, if you would please stop with the –

Tezcalipoca: “I’m calling things the way they are and you are a racist pig and that’s it.”

Mayor: “If you’re going to get out of line we’re going to ask you to leave.”

Tezcalipoca: “You’re out of line...23 million of my people–”

Mayor: “Sir, if you don’t stop it now.

Police officer: “Your time is up.”

Mayor: “Sir, your time is up.”

Tezcalipoca: “It’s not up. It’s not up.”

Mayor: (at 1 minute 45 seconds into the 3 minute speaking period) “Your time is up and we’re going to take a break.”

Tezcalipoca: “Are you going to let me finish or not? You fucking racist pig!”

Mayor: “We’ll take a break, please.”

City Codes Vs. First Amendement

Mansoor’s interpretation of city codes and parts of the codes themselves probably violate the First Amendment of the US Constitution. The relevant facts are well explained in an article by David L. Hudson Jr., a research attorney for the First Amendment Center. Hudson says that court rulings give government officials considerable latitude for maintaining order at public meetings. City officials may regulate subject matter, repetition, time limits or any behavior that “seriously violates rules of procedure that the council has established to govern conduct at its meetings,” according to a 2001 federal court ruling.

But those rules cannot apply to some speakers and not others and they must be consistent and content neutral. A speaker cannot be silenced because of his viewpoint. And personal attacks may not be prohibited, which means that Tezcalipoca was probably within his right to call the Mayor a racist pig and that Costa Mesa’s prohibition of “personal, impertinent, profane, insolent, or slanderous remarks” sits on shaky constitutional ground. “In essence,” says Hudson, “the government must live up to the values embodied in the First Amendment.”

Tezcalipoca and other protesters have vowed to return to future city council meetings until the city’s day labor center is reopened and the ICE proposal is rescinded.

Tezcalipoca will appear at the Harbor Justice Center for arraignment on February 3 at 8:30 AM.

Mayor Allan Mansoor can be emailed at amansoor@ci.costa-mesa.ca.us

When Jim Gilchrist asked supporters of the mayor's immigration rights crackdown to stand, the Mayor thanked him. But, later, when Coytly Tezcalipoca asked critics of the city council's decision to team up with Customs agents to deport "illegal aliens," he was pushed out of the council chambers, placed in a choke-hold and dragged away to be arrested.

[b]Tezcalipoca:[/b] “Are you going to let me finish or not? You fucking racist pig!”

And then to blame the Mayor that he had a hand in the genocide of 25 million people. priceless.

California indigineous numbered 300,000 after spanish interlopers brought diese and the Catholic church half where dead.

I also believe that Mansoor? is Lebanese? correct me if I'm wrong.

who needs TV when you have an illeratecy of 80% among those here in CALIFORNIA.....lmao

is Egyptian

Moreleigh wrote:

> is Egyptian

By the way he treated Coyotl,

maybe Mansoor thinks he's a

pharoah. Should we address

his royal highness as King

Alanmansoorinkahmen?

That error put a smile on my face. Thank you for your bad spelling "Quizling". I have a quiz for you, Quizling:

1. Correct the spelling of "illeratecy."

2. Define "quisling."

3. Find the word "fucking" in the original post.

4. Define "interlopers."

5. Identify all the mistakes in this sentence: "California indigineous numbered 300,000 after spanish interlopers brought diese and the Catholic church half where dead."

What if it was intentional? How about ones inability to type with proficiency, would that still dismiss what I have to say?

1_ illiteracy

2_Quizling, after the duel agenda of one Norwegian politician who betrayed his country. I've added a twist , since it is apparent that the majority here have been lacking in their historical perspectives. So in essence, I am the Quizling. Regards sir johnk.

3_Copy,paste,post. After that, I'm not incharge of editing the original piece, of it's original posted eloquence. Listen to the video again. i copied from the above original post. I'm not here to decieve anyone. I'm here to speak my piece. as everyone else here is doing. I am reporting what I see.

4_Interlopers, "The word interloper has its origin in the time when England was embarking on the course that would lead to the British Empire. Interloper, first recorded in connection with the Muscovy Company, the earliest major English trading company (chartered in 1555), was soon being used in regard to the East India Company (chartered in 1600) as well. These companies were established as monopolies, and independent traders called interlopers were not welcome. The term is probably partly derived from Dutch, the language of one of the great trade rivals of the English at that time. The inter- is simply the prefix inter-, which English has borrowed from Latin, meaning “between, among.” The element -loper is probably related to the same element in landloper, “vagabond,” a word adopted from Dutch landloper, with the same sense and composed of land, “land,” and loper, from lo;pen, “to run, leap.” The word interloper, first recorded around 1590, was too useful in a world of busybodies to be restricted to its original specialized sense and came to be used in the extended sense “busybody” in the 17th century."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indigenous_languages_of_California

5_ Original Californians were a diverse population, separated by language into as many as 135 distinct dialects. Tribes included the Karok, Maidu, Cahuilleno, Mojave, Yokuts, Pomo, Paiute, and Modoc. More than 135 dialects flourished in California before Spanish contact. Estimated from archelogical finds. They numbered around three hundred thousand. After the the "interlopers" Spanish crown, in lock step with the Spanish Catholic Dominicans, Jesuits, and Franciscans, to spread the Christian doctrine among the local Native Americans

My fingers sometimes get crossed up on the keyboard, but I'm not promoting myself as a member of the Elitists either.

So many of the know-it-alls of the collective reveal themselves as not having even basic spelling or reading comprehension skills, but they wanna tell you how things ought to be.

Who *are* you typing about?

-So many of the know-it-alls of the collective reveal themselves as not having even basic spelling or reading comprehension skills, but they wanna tell you how things ought to be.-

You can also substitute knuckle dragging vigilante, simplex mentalities who think that the problems always exist with the other, weaker group instead of the policy makers and enforcers, ( but that's kind of long isn't it?) for 'collective'.

Thank you for reading this.

>What if it was intentional? How about ones inability to type with proficiency, would that still dismiss what I have to say?

If someone is using the word "illiterate" to insult, he or she should spell it correctly. If you can't do that, pick another insult.

Second, the Spanish were not "interlopers." In no way does the description on Wikipedia reflect what Spain was doing in California. The Spanish were missionaries and invaders. When they entered an area, they claimed it for Spain and the Church.

Third, I'm not in the collective. I mostly just scrub the comments by responding to the "reports" people send with those gray buttons below, and do tech things. The collective has meetings and does other stuff.

Fourth: "quisling" from Wikipedia:

Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (July 18, 1887–October 24, 1945) was a Norwegian fascist politician and officer. He held the office of Minister President of Norway from February 1942 to the end of World War II, while the elected social democratic cabinet of Johan Nygaardsvold was exiled in London. Quisling was tried for high treason and executed by firing squad after the war. His name has become an eponym for traitor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling

Let me see, said the blindman to the thief.

Interloper. Interfering with the Uncivilized heathens and christianizing them, torturing them,and beating them to pray?

Quizling....spelt with a "Z" as in Quiz.

You're perceptive.

Are my facts wrong on Calornia or for that matter United States literacy?

Regards, QuiZling

I addressed you and you alone under the header johnk and missed putting my name under author.

That was the only post of mine in answer to your questions.

I visit many forums and bulletin boards, and all are different. It takes a little getting use too.

For one, with this board, can you edit your posts after posting? it doesn't seem so? Unless I'm missing something.

My answers and posts, are geared to the 21st century interlopers that are demanding that my home become their cesspool of litter and piss.

I am one with a written history in California and family that has never instigated any form of hate on any one.

I am a firm believer in a common ground. A platform of unity against division.

I am also an American who understands that a divided nation along Language and color is causing this present day skism.

While it appears true that the Mayor of Costa Mesa is a racist, it all looks to me like there's some justification for having the guy dragged off. He has a history of yelling "fucking racist pig" at people -- that right there is grounds to deny him any future speech at any such meeting.

No, that's not a violation of his Constitutional rights. He gave up the right to freedom of speech when he started screaming about "fucking racist pigs" and genocide. That's deliberately disruptive so it looks to me like he got _more_ than he was entitled to. If he can't behave like a civilized citizen, he gives up his right to speak at the meeting.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

But then again, I would think they should treat the last Costa Mesa city council meeting and his involvement in it as it's own separate incident, in of itself. Regardless of whatever happened in the past. Otherwise if he's charged with something, they may as well add up his past incidents as some kind of cumulatively number of charges. But of course I've never heard of such a thing so if the past incidents can't apply to his court hearing, I don't think it should really be taken into consideration. Just my opinion.

Coyotl didn't "scream" about Mansoor being a racist pig or discuss genocide the night he was arrested. You really should be more discerning before offerring up your opinions. At least know what you're talking about, ese. Just MY opinion.

Fred, the fact he may have a history of saying something doesn't take away his right to speak at a public meeting. Please.

I listened to the video again. I didn't hear him say "fucking".

He didn't even say Mansoor was "racist". He said that three members had a plot to change the demograpnics of Costa Mesa, to gentrify his people out of the City.

Also, as he was being escorted away, I head his opponents applaud. Then, someone else in the audience says the City Council is racist, but, that's not Coyotl.

I did see him get upset that he was being cut short. I saw him complying with the police, though he did get upset about being touched by them. Still, he did not resist and did not get hostile. After he was pushed out of the room, I can't tell what happened.

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I think the mayor may have called the cops on him intentionally. The reason is simple. When things like this end up in the press, the readers often assume that the cops would not be used in an extreme situation.

It's a way to discredit the opposition. It's a way for the powerful abuse their privileges, to use the police as a political tool. I've had it done to me, when I was picketing with several senior citizens. They called the cops on a handful of retirees.

Furthermore, I think he did it because Coyotl may have been stating the truth. The City may be "plotting" to make the city hostile to Latinos, in the hopes that they can gentrify the City. The truth, if this is true, is threatening, because it is difficult to deny. Land use and property issues can turn into a big stink in the suburbs, and, if the plot is real, then Latino homeowners, who are probably politically moderate, would probably organize and form a voting block and unify with renters (of many races) who are feeling heat from the new laws. That is a threat to anyone in power.

Also, if there is a plot, it's completely against the Fair Housing Act. http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/FHLaws/index.cfm

Latinos make up 30% of the population in CM. http://costamesa.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm

I don't know the voting demographics, but, generally Latinos fail to vote, particularly if they are working class or poor. That doesn't mean they cannot be turned into voters, through education, and if the right candidates or issues come up. I heard a story of a community that achieved a 75% turnout, over the issue of streetlights. Once people become engaged voters, and meet a few politicians, they tend to keep voting.

Last, there's history to consider -- the old racial segregation was primarily about who gets to live where. Segregation was a residential zoning and land use issue. Where it didn't exist by law, it existed de-facto through restrictive covenants that forbade people to sell their houses to Jews, Mexicans, Asians, etc. (See the FHA above.)

This:

>>the readers often assume that the cops would not be used in an extreme situation.

Should have read:

>>the readers often assume that the cops would not be used except in an extreme situation.

Be nice johnk, don't hide me..

I wouldn't say you're wrong, just that we have radically different persepectives.

My perspective requires that I oppose your perspective.

I do agree that undocumented immigrants are "interlopers" in the classic, early capitalist sense. They are intruding on established trade and/or established monopolies. I don't agree that they're demanding that your house become a cesspool of litter and piss. If anything, they are the custodial staff cleaning up the litter and piss of your cesspool-like house.

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You can't edit posts. This comment system was intended, originally, for comments to the original article, not as a discussion forum. Of course, it didn't work out that way.

> Coyotl didn't "scream" about Mansoor being a racist

> pig or discuss genocide the night he was arrested.

Utterly irrelevent -- and I suspect you know it. (Let's see if you can be a little more honest in the future, shall we? Thanks.)

The individual is known to the Costa Mesa council and apparently to the law enforcement goons there. His history is certainly relevent and it's entirely legitimate to deny such people with such histories to speak.

This is an issue that keeps cropping up among environmental activists. City councils and other local government bodies have _zero_ requirement to allow anyone who can make it to a microphone to have his or her say. We may not like it when racists and neo-Nazis and such hog a microphone or otherwise keep progressives from speaking their opinions, but bodies like the Costa Mesa council are not required to allow everyone an opportunity to speak.

Within environmental activists, repeatedly argumentative, mentally dysfunctional, or violently spewing individuals are routinely not permitted to speak on the record at government meetings after they've exhibited such behavior or mental difficulties at least once.

In this case where the individual was choked off -- apparently literally -- the guy was afforded an opportunity to speak that would have been denied him were he attempting to speak at other venues like within environmentalists or animal rights activism.

Considering his history -- and it's relevent -- I'm surprised they let him have _any_ time at the microphone.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

> It's a way to discredit the opposition. It's a way for the

> powerful abuse their privileges, to use the police as

> a political tool. I've had it done to me, when I was

> picketing with several senior citizens. They called the

> cops on a handful of retirees.

That's true -- it's certainly true in the anti-fascism / anti-racism / anti-war protests I've participated in. Thousands of people marching for peace and the police drag out a couple of hundred cops -- which are entirely not needed, a waste of tax payer money, and there strictly for the FOX "News" cameras.

Whether the racists plotted before hand to arrest and possibly assault the guy before hand is something we'll never know. Regardless, if he actually does have a history of such abusive language at council meetings, he most certainly has revoked his own rights to speak at them. That he didn't spew this time is irrelevent.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

Whenever you post, we're going to hit the "advertisement" button. You are a spammer.

Fredric L. Rice wrote:

>> Coyotl didn't "scream" about Mansoor being

>> a racist pig or discuss genocide the night he

>> was arrested.

> Utterly irrelevent -- and I suspect you know

> it. (Let's see if you can be a little more honest in

> the future, shall we? Thanks.)

Have you bothered to do any research on this issue, Fred? The person who posts messages under the nick, "Street Soldier," is being completely truthful and honest.

> The individual is known to the Costa Mesa

> council and apparently to the law

> enforcement goons there. His history is

> certainly relevent and it's entirely legitimate to

> deny such people with such histories to speak.

What "history" are you talking about, Fred?

> This is an issue that keeps cropping up

> among environmental activists. City councils

> and other local government bodies have _zero_

> requirement to allow anyone who can make

> it to a microphone to have his or her say.

> We may not like it when racists and neo-Nazis

> and such hog a microphone or otherwise

> keep progressives from speaking their

> opinions, but bodies like the Costa Mesa

> council are not required to allow everyone an

> opportunity to speak.

>

> Within environmental activists, repeatedly

> argumentative, mentally dysfunctional, or

> violently spewing individuals are routinely

> not permitted to speak on the record at

> government meetings after they've exhibited

> such behavior or mental difficulties at least

> once.

>

> In this case where the individual was choked

> off -- apparently literally -- the guy was afforded

> an opportunity to speak that would have

> been denied him were he attempting to speak

> at other venues like within environmentalists

> or animal rights activism.

>

> Considering his history -- and it's relevent --

> I'm surprised they let him have _any_ time at

> the microphone.

What kind of "history" are you talking about here, Fred? Why are you accepting at face value the lies being spread by Mayor Allan Mansoor and other Costa Mesa City officials? They're trying to spin the media to cover their asses. I'm surprised that you have gulped this stuff up. I guess you're not the great skeptic you claim to be, yes?

If you had done your homework, you would have discovered hat Coyotl Tezcatlipoca had been to only *one* meeting of the Costa Mesa City Council prior to him being illegally arrested at the hands of the police on the night of Tuesday, January 3rd, 2006. Is that enough "history" for you?

So what that he called the Mayor Mansoor a "fucking racist pig"? I've heard people say far worse things at public meetings and never get escorted out the door by cops. In fact, what Coyotl said to the Mayor was pretty tame. And it was only after Mansoor illegally cut him off at that meeting! I myself, however, don't care to use that kind of language when addressing public officials.

But on the night of January 3rd, Coyotl's comments were pretty mild. Not only did he not use any foul language, but he wasn't loud or obnoxious. It appears that he learned from the "mistakes" he committed at the prior meeting, didn' t he? Yet , he was arrrested for doing *nothing* illegal.

So tell me Fred, are you going to and deny him of his constitutional right to free speech forever because he made one mistake at a previous meeting? Perhaps we'll brand his forehead with an "X" to ensure that he will forever be banned from speaking anywhere ever again?

Fred, I'm really disappointed that you've taken such a reactionary position on this issue. You're making the Minutemen look like a bunch of liberals. In fact, even some of them appear to be deeply disturbed by what Mayor Mansoor did to Coyotl.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts

duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com