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You can watch this video until the cows come home but the end result will never change. This guy got way out of line at a city council meeting. He was rude, disruptive, accusatory and insulting and when asked to leave nicely he resisted. Its no great secret that cops get a little pissed when you resist detainment or arrest. This clown had more than ample opportunity to walk away as asked and he chose to be defensive and outright combative. He was lucky he got nothing more than a night's stay in jail instead of a full-blown ass-whoopin', which is probably what this little twerp needs. If I had been one of those cops I would have not have been half as nice as these officers.

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Sometimes nice letters to Council persons get deleted from their mail boxes, and the public does not know the difference. If friendly private contact does not catch a bite, then one must cause a public stir.

Watch the higher quality unedited version of the clip.

Read the rules of the Costa mesa City Council meetings.


Reference:
[a] http://www.ci.costa-mesa.ca.us/council/cagenda.htm 2006-01-17.pdf

Welcome to the City Council Meeting
Your attendance at this public meeting is valued and appreciated.
The following City codes, guidelines, and reminders are provided for your information:

1. In accordance with Costa Mesa Municipal Code, Sec. 2-64(1): No person in the audience shall “engage in disorderly, disruptive, disturbing, delaying or boisteros conduct including but not limited to, handclapping, stomping of feet, whistling, making noise, use of profane language or obscene gestures, yelling or similar demonstrations, which may disrupt the peace and good order of the Council proceedings.”

2. All cell phones and pagers are to be turned off or set to vibrate. Members of the audience are requested to step outside the Council Chambers to respond to a page or to conduct a phone conversation.

3. In accordance with City Council Policy 000-11, and among other requirements, any video submitted for display at a public meeting must have been previously reviewed by staff to verify appropriateness for general audiences. A copy of this policy is available at City Hall during normal office hours.

4. Please use the podiums on either side of the dais to speak to the City Council. Direct all verbal communications, requests, and/or questions to the mayor.

5. Any written communications, pictures, etc., to be provided to the Council should be directed to the City Clerk. Any exhibits to be displayed on the overhead screen may be given to the appropriate staff member.

NOTE: In compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act, if you need special assistance to participate in this meeting, please contact the City Clerk, (714) 754-5225. Notification 48 hours prior to the meeting will enable the City to make reasonable arrangements to ensure accessibility to this meeting.
[28 CFR 35.102.35.104 ADA Title II].


Go to the Immigration Watchdogs site

Watch the Jim Gilchrist video

Watch the Coyotyl video

look at the videos, and observe:

Who did what?

Who addressed the council?

When Jim Gilchrist spoke, was there a misunderstanding in his followers, if they were to stand then or wait?

When Coyotyl spoke, did he address the council or the audience?

Did he ask permission of the council to have his people show support by rising, or tell his people to rise, in violation of council rules?

Who was polite and civil to council?

Who was hostile toward council?

Finally, it is sad that it happened the way it did. It could have been me, or you or anyone, if we didn't follow the rules.

Have a better day.

Border Raven:

I'm not going to go into detail with you right now, but I've been in contact with several attorneys regarding the matter of "rules" that Costa Mesa has established for City Council meetings.

They've already determined that some of them are not only illegal, but in direct violation with well-established constitutional law.

In the unlikely event that Coyotl were to be convicted of the offenses he allegedly committed, they would be struck down in higher courts.

You wouldn't believe how many laws or rules are on the books in municipalities that are illegal or unconstitutional.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com

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TheWatchdog wrote on Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 5:27 PM:

Hi Watchdog

> It's possible that Benito will have the
> charges dropped but you guys are trying to
> turn this video into some kind of of major
> civil rights violation. Nothing will become of
> that.

I'm sorry, but what happened to Coyotl is a civil rights violation. Now had Mayor Mansoor done the same thing to Jim Gilchrist, would you not be saying the same thing? That he had been wronged?

I think you would agree that there needs to be some degree of accountability here on part of the people in power who committed this act, yes? It doesn't matter to me if they are Republican or Democrat.

Historically, I've actually gone after more Democrats than Republicans. In fact, I actually destroyed the career of a Democrat serving on a school board member who I revealed was engaged in all kinds of questionable activity.

I do appreciate the fact you posted the video online. Regardless of what our views are about "illegal immigration," I do think it will make police and politicians everywhere a bit more accountable.

> Are you coming to Burbank, Duane? I hope
> to see you there because you need
> something new to write about. This is such
> old news.

Not likely. I tend to stay within my own community to organize.

And when Coyotl's case gets settled, I'll move on to something else. But I do think Mayor Mansoor needs to be held accountable for his actions.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com

> www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=531

You cannot dismiss this and say it's no big deal that Coyotl was cut short.

The public statements are put into the public record. If you intend to file a Civil Rights or other lawsuit against the City, it helps to have your statements in the public record. It proves that there was opposition, and that it has been an ongoing opposition. In some situations, it's *required* that your comments be in the public record.

The meetings are one way in which public business is supposed to be conducted with the City. If the leaders cut people off, it sends this message: "public comments that are politically opposed to what the leaders want aren't welcome."

Look at what the City of Baldwin Park did last year. They started out currying the favor of the counter-protest, but, before long, they were passing some resolution to limit free speech. That was low, and a lot of activists (on the anti-SOS side) were upset, and stated objections.

You have to watch out.

Watchdog, you're not much of a watchdog. You defend a politician cutting short the comments of his political opponent. That's real "Uncle Tomming".

What third world country is Costa Mesa in?

How do you think the economy in California became so strong?

TheWatchdog wrote Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 9:26 PM:

> I personally would not have acted the way Benito
> did. He was disruptive by ordering people to
> stand up.

Nope. It's a constitutionally protected form of speech to ask people to stand up in support of an issue during public comments. It's happened before at previous meetings of the Costa Mesa City Council. I know because I've participated in such actions. In fact, I was one of several activists who suggested to Coyotl that he use this tactic at this city council meeting. There is nothing wrong with it.

> He was trying to control the meeting. That's just
> not the way it works at a city council meeting.
> He was cut short because of that.

Nope. Mayor Mansoor illegally interfered in his constitutional right to free speech and assembly by telling him not to do something that is a time-honored tradition in American politics: asking people to stand up in support of this or that cause. If Coyotl was doing something like asking people in the audience to throw eggs at the Mayor, that would be a different matter. But that's not what happened.

> I would have walked away from the podium
> when the police asked me to leave. Benito
> became defiant and I'm not so sure he would
> have left on his own without police intervention.

Once Mayor Mansoor declared the City Council to be in recess, there was no need for the police to push him out the door. Being argumentative isn't a crime. I had a heated argument one time with a Santa Ana Police Lieutenant for trying to screw with a demonstration I had organized (I won, incidently) And how can you charge him for disrupting a public meeting that was no longer in progress? I know Coyotl very well. He was in the process of leaving. There are other witnesses who will support that contention.

And Coyotl was no "threat" to anybody. The Costa Mesa Police know that. Why? He asked me to be the "police liaison" between protesters and cops at that City Council meeting that night. In other words, Coyotl wanted me to help him work with the police to ensure everything remained peaceful and orderly. If he was a "violent" man, why did he ask me to work with the police? Believe me, I wouldn't be working with Coyotl if I knew him to be "violent."

> I think the charges for disrupting an assembly
> and obstructing an arresting officer will hold
> up in court without any difficulty.

Very doubtful. The force they used in "escorting" him out the door was excessive and unneccessary. I was standing about four feet away from him when they violent pushed him and dragged him out of Council Chambers like a ragdoll. I saw the look on his face. One of the officers appeared to be choking him with his arm around his neck.

And as I've said before, in the unlikely event Coyotl gets convicted on any of the illegal rules or municipal ordinances that Costa Mesa appears to have on the books, all of his charges will get struck down in higher courts.

> From what I understand the Costa Mesa
> police department have viewed the clips on
> my site and they're not worried about it
> either.

I'm not worried about it either. If they bring this case to court, they're going to have a major legal fight on their hands. Coyotl's got attorney's literally clamoring to take on this case (I am not joking). Although "officially" the ACLU is just monitoring the matter, they'll jump aboard when the time is right. Be rest assured, this case will go all the way to the California State Supreme Court -- if not higher.

And when the truth comes out, I suspect Mayor Allan Mansoor will probably have two choices: either not to run for any public office ever again or go to prison for engaging in an unlawful conspiracy to deprive somebody of their civil rights. There is some evidence to suggest this was pre-planned, by the way.

I's true that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But this case does not bode well for Mayor Mansoor.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com


> For the record, I'm not a big Gilchrist supporter.
> He seems like a good man to me, and
> I like him, but there are others that make
> better spokesmen for the anti-illegal
> immigration debate. Gilchrist and Simcox
> were just in the right place at the right time.

TheWatchdog wrote:

>> In fact, I was one of several activists
>> who suggested to Coyotl that he use this
>> tactic at this city council meeting.

> We all know this to be true of you "activists."
> You have your tactics to provoke an incident
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> and then you use it in the media along with
> a heaping spoonful of lies and misinformation.

C'mon, Watchdog. You can do better than that. The purpose of asking people in the audience to stand up during a city council meeting is a time-honored tradition in American politics that goes all the way back to 18th century New England townhall gatherings. Even Jim Gilchrist and his followers use this tactic. Do they do it with the intent to "provoke an incident"?

Let's face it, Mayor Allan Mansoor blew it. All the evidence shows he was the one who unlawfully disrupted a public meeting. Not only did he trample on Coyotl's constitutional right to free speech, but there is evidence to suggest that this was pre-planned; that Mansoor ordered an illegal arrest. He's the one that should be facing criminal charges right now. I myself am still shocked that this happened. It goes to show you how stupid politicians can be. And Mansoor is one of the dumbest.

> You want to scare everyone into believe
> that the police will be conducting sweeps
> and deporting jaywalkers with brown skin.

That appeared to be Mayor Allan Mansoor's intent until his proposal was watered down.

> The bottom line is that the city of Costa Mesa
> would like to deport hard core criminals
> and gang members who are illegal aliens.
> This only makes sense and most
> people believe that this is already the case.
> You guys want rapists, pedophiles, drug
> dealers, and violent offenders released
> back into your community because they
> have brown skin.

Not true. I'm not in favor of crime. You'd be rather surprised to learn that there isn't a single Police Chief in Orange County that is in favor of the proposal put forth by Mayor Mansoor. They don't oppose it because they are in bed with the "reconquistas," but because they know it's a complete waste of money. It duplicates efforts that already exist within the criminal justice system to screen out and deport undocumented workers who commit "aggravated felonies."

The only reason why Mayor Mansoor is pushing this dumb scheme is because he doesn't have much going for him politically. Even among Republicans he's viewed as an inept and incompetent public servant. And what happened at the Tuesday, January 3, 2006 meeting of the Costa Mesa City Council pretty much proves that beyond a reasonable doubt. Mansoor sure has taken you for a ride.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com


> www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=532

The Mayor and Council in Costa Mesa are idiots. They really messed up. If someone looked 'em dead in the face and said "Constitution" -- they'd say "huh?"

If anybody knows this young man, please have him call Ben Schonbrun & Mike Seplow at (310) 396-0731. They are the best First Amendment folks around. He should tell them that he "has a friend from Detroit."

BL