A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period.

“This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,” says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.

This is incredible,” adds group member Rich Hersh. “It's an example of paranoia by our government,” he says. “We're not doing anything illegal.”

The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups.

PLEASE SELECT WEB ADDRESS URL LINK TO READ THIS EXTENSIVE ARTICLE

Please select the Web address URL, and read the Supreme court case of Laird v. Tatum (1972) 408 U.S. 1. Military spying on Americans has been going on for a long time.

Here is a sample of the opinion...

"Surveillance of civilians is none of the Army's constitutional business and Congress has not undertaken to entrust it with any such function. The fact that since this litigation started the Army's surveillance may have been cut back is not an end of the matter. Whether there has been an actual cutback or whether the announcements are merely a ruse can be determined only after a hearing in the District Court. We are advised by an amicus curiae brief filed by a group of former Army Intelligence Agents that Army surveillance of civilians is rooted in secret programs of long standing:

"Army intelligence has been maintaining an unauthorized watch over civilian political activity for nearly 30 years. Nor is this the first time that [408 U.S. 1, 28] Army intelligence has, without notice to its civilian superiors, overstepped its mission. From 1917 to 1924, the Corps of Intelligence Police maintained a massive surveillance of civilian political activity which involved the use of hundreds of civilian informants, the infiltration of civilian organizations and the seizure of dissenters and unionists, sometimes without charges. That activity was opposed - then as now - by civilian officials on those occasions when they found out about it, but it continued unabated until post-war disarmament and economies finally eliminated the bureaucracy that conducted it." Pp. 29-30.

This case involves a cancer in our body politic. It is a measure of the disease which afflicts us. Army surveillance, like Army regimentation, is at war with the principles of the First Amendment. Those who already walk submissively will say there is no cause for alarm. But submissiveness is not our heritage. The First Amendment was designed to allow rebellion to remain as our heritage. The Constitution was designed to keep government off the backs of the people. The Bill of Rights was added to keep the precincts of belief and expression, of the press, of political and social activities free from surveillance. The Bill of Rights was designed to keep agents of government and official eavesdroppers away from assemblies of people. The aim was to allow men to be free and independent and to assert their rights against government. There can be no influence more paralyzing of that objective than Army surveillance. When an intelligence officer looks over every nonconformist's shoulder in the library, or walks invisibly by his side in a picket line, or infiltrates his club, the America once extolled as the voice of liberty heard around the world no longer is [408 U.S. 1, 29] cast in the image which Jefferson and Madison designed, but more in the Russian image, depicted in Appendix III to this opinion."

Its very sad that the entire structure of government created by and for the People has turned against its own creator.

The military has been engaged in not only spying on non criminal Americans, but in actual assassination. For decades.

Like MLK.

no, Shashy, I wont ,but feel free to do it yourself.

*now back to military involvement in the MLK assassination.

http://www.africawithin.com/mlking/assassination.htm

-The black firemen working at the fire station across the street from the Lorraine Motel were told to report to a different stations on the day of the shooting. The next day, they were told to return to their regular station. This was ordered by a city official who also was a former associate of J. Edgar Hoover.

King’s "aide," who was the first person to point at the rooming house bathroom window, was also deployed to the Memphis Police Department as an undercover agent for the 111th Military Intelligence Group-

This news confirms what most of us already knew. NBC as not yet released the full 400 page document, but of local interest to this site the NBC article does say this:

"…The DOD database obtained by NBC News includes nearly four dozen anti-war meetings or protests, including some that have taken place far from any military installation, post or recruitment center. One “incident” included in the database is a large anti-war protest at Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles last March that included effigies of President Bush and anti-war protest banners."

Posse Comitias has been trampled and shredded.

Waco was a good example and we can thank Gen. Franks ( you know, Mr. Moore's favorite presidential candidate ) for allowing the military to burn these church members alive under the fig leaf of 'drug enforcement assistance' while the entire nation was watching.

It makes me ashamed to have served this monster government for that and my activities during Vietnam...

Honorable discharge, my ass. I was a fucking robot.

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Why do you think A.N.S.W.E.R never has a massive protest in any other area's except those where city cameras are present? The A.N.S.W.E.R marches that went through Hollywood specifically went down streets where most of these cameras are setup. Why? Because A.N.S.W.E.R is infiltrated. Very much so to a point where A.N.S.W.E.R has become nothing more than a contribution to america's political circus. This is how they keep people demobilized. Think about it. March after march, and protest after protest. Nothing accomplished except more faces and names added to the NSA watch list. So go ahead and go to the next big A.N.S.W.E.R anti-war parade and shout "stop war" because that's all it is, a parade. War isn't the reason the U.S is in Iraq right now. U.S Imperialism is the reason the U.S is in Iraq right now, and throughout the Middle East, South America, etc.etc.etc. U.S Imperialism is the reason why there is a "WAR". It has nothing to do with republicans or democrats. They are put there as a political circus to keep the people demobilized, unaware and passive. Not resistant and revolutionary. So A.N.S.W.E.R is perfect for the government and the war on Iraq. They control the so-called "anti-war" movement in this country and have been doing so for a while now. So keep up the parades in the streets because this festive social engagement for U.S tax payers is exactly what they want. Wake up. We are loosing.

Happy election day in Iraq? Isn't it great? A free country at last.

Considering all the bedwetting about Tookie, from the self anointed human rights "champions", I'm amazed how the IMC is silent over the fact that Iraqis can now vote without fear of death.

Fucking hypocrites.

Hey Sheepdog, whine about having *this* post deleted, you crybaby shitsack.

Steve, can you name another "free country" that is occupied by a foreign superpower? Probably not, because it's a contradiction in terms.

You got it, Mr. Nice.

As for 'curious', ( such -#@%$^@!!!- language! ) I don't think anyone in Iraq is "without fear of death" since the occupying invaders ( that's OUR criminal government, by the way, in case you haven't been paying attention ) went into that poor nation to take out the leader the CIA installed in the first place.

What's the matter with you ? Do you actually believe the things you type?

- SD

The military has still got NO right to engage in law enforcement activities here in the civilian government, so don't try to change the subject.

Unless you are an advocate of martial law. Like most other banana 'republics'.

And before his usual scree is filed into the dirt, I would respond in saying that the U. S. intelligence agencies does send people to 'friendly' countries to have physical torture ( including amputation etc. ) enacted upon.

The CIA is really an acknowledged expert on these techniques. There just aren't that many witnesses left to publicize this.

Since I have desire or intention to ever live under an Islamic fascist theocracy, I don't care what the military, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI or any other group has to do to prevent it. Torturing some bad guys from Al Quaeda? Couldn't care less. Better that than having people beheaded by their side. This is a war. We are fighting people who would kill us and destroy our way of life. Unlike so many on this site, I LIKE my way of life and intend to keep it. Spying on old hippies at protests? Fine with me. Infiltrating ANSWER? I would certainly hope so. The fucking commies are a pain, they are traitors, the are treasonous. Since they are essentially irrelevant anyway, it doesn't take much to keep them in line. Bottom line - we will defeat Islamism using any means necessary. I'm fine with that. And so are about 75% of the American people. We know where you stand. Go have another protest....and smile for the camera.

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

- Pastor Martin Niemöller

(Steve: you need to think about this or some day they will come for you. A police state does not care if they make mistakes and round up some of their supporters in a crack down. People who trade freedoms for security, lose both)

Don't get derailed by surveillance. They can't arrest everyone. If you're feeling paranoid, work with groups that do things in the open. There are always some kind of "spies" in the movement; if it's not the FBI, CIA, local police, or military, then it's a wannabe spy guy who's eager to snitch out activists "for their own good."

You kids must not have heard about the 1960's.

The military, CIA, NSA, don't do law enforcement, unless, laws are broken, or about to be broken.

The CIA, FBI and local police, have been doing surveillance, of protest rallies, but you just ignored them.

Brush your teeth, comb your hair, and Smile :)

Posse Comitias strictly forbids the use of military to enforce civilian law.

There are valid reasons for this.

The CIA was strictly forbidden to engage in domestic operations.

There are valid reasons for this.

These laws were enacted to prevent the abuse of power and negation of civil law.

Without these protections, a police state exists.

Any questions?

Text of the Original Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 section from the US code

SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.

10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375

Also see

http://www.binghamtonpmc.org/newswire/display/1426/index.php



Historically however it would seem that the act has been violated by every president at one time or another since it was enacted. It was amended by during the raygun regime so it has no real teeth anymore.

This was a law passed in response to the occupation of the conquered south, after the Civil War by Union troops who violated the rights of civilians as a triumphant army will do after a bitter and bloody conflict ( remember that the loss of life was one of our most horrific in history ) and in order to reestablish domestic tranquility. this law was put on the books to quell a further revolutionary war, which at that time the north barely won. As most laws that are ignored when the interests of capital ( the real government ) conflicts with operational surface legal standards, this one is violated when ever the ruling class interests deem it useful.

NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."

Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.

The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.

The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.

"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."

Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.

The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.

The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.

The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.

In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.

The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.

Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.

"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.

Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.

"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."

You mentioned Mao, now the whole ECHELON system is going to turn around and monitor us. Listen for the whisper of black helicopters in stealth mode, or the waste management company making the more than usual visits to your trash cans.

Some NSA computer geek is downloading our harddrives as we are online, no thanks to a government ordered backdoor, in the CPU.

Every click of the mouse or on the keyboard, is routed through a bank of computers, and recorded for future analysis.

:)

SMILE and the nice geeks.

load this into your hard drive, your email and everywhere else.Update

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/31/what_are_those_words/

-We've been sent this list which may or may not be the same as the one that Block Echelon Day used and which has hit papers today. Who knows? (They do). Enjoy

Rewson, SAFE, Waihopai, INFOSEC, ASPIC, MI6, Information Security, SAI, Information Warfare, IW, IS, Privacy, Information Terrorism, Terrorism

Defensive Information, Defense Information Warfare, Offensive Information, Offensive Information Warfare, The Artful Dodger, NAIA, SAPM, ASU, ASTS,

National Information Infrastructure, InfoSec, SAO, Reno, Compsec, JICS,

Computer Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, RSP, ISS, JDF,

Ermes, Passwords, NAAP, DefCon V, RSO, Hackers, Encryption... etc. etc...

invol..ve th.e pro..cess i.-nto aut.o ma-tic, rea..l -tim.e ..h..u.man.. so..rting.!!

and that would be below the encryption or code. everybody use both.

Of course they have the back doors . Overload their human sorting resources for real time effect. This so called intelligence , by its very nature can be 'steped' on. WE have the numbers if something hits the fan.

A;ll t3hey ha;ve is terro'r.

. jess thinking.

Flood 'em:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/1704881_comment.php#1704915

The= above=posted= spookword=links.

I would suggest that a random sampling of any block of these words be included into any e mail, or phone conversation .

Revolution and General Strike are always good for a conversation side issue.

:>)

Church committee:

http://cryptome.org/nsa-4th.htm



60 Minutes:

http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm



Earliest public report on NSA electronic espionage (1972):

http://jya.com/nsa-elint.htm



Earliest public report on Echelon (1988):

http://cryptome.org/echelon-dc.htm



Key Echelon files:

http://cryptome.org/cryptout.htm

Here is a repost of something from the link.

It's hard to know if this is info that can be trusted or if it is a jacket.

The same can be said of any info. Much of the DOD database could be a tactic too, all the events listed were public.