Since deteled:
Oh wow, D,,,,
You are so so so way out of line one this. It amazes me that one would post such a childish rant. I debated whether I should respond to this, but since you decided to take this to the public forum I believe I deserve my turn.
YOU are not worthy of my words, so this is for the benefit of the others who may be confused as to what the hell you are babbling about. Before I lay out the facts here I must say I'm surprised (and disappointed) that you were able to get even 2 posters that wanted to jump on board with you even before they learned the story.
First I will say I have never met D. I have never said one single word to him in my life. As far as his girlfriend, (occutegirl), I may have said 3 sentences to her personally, although I did communicate with her via email on an issue of great importance to this organization.
As we know, during the Laguna Beach rally there were some people who showed up that were not welcomed. I went about my business, not knowing who was who, as all I saw were people showing up, holding signs and flags. Afterwards we learned these people were "unwanteds". I immediately posted how I felt about these groups and also an open letter to one of them who was attempting to recruit me.
After the rally > posted some pics, the first being a girl and a man holding an SOS banner. There were several other pics posted in that same post, but there were also 2 pics of guys holding and shooting guns. Suddenly there was a flurry of emails and postings that SOS was associating with WN. In one evening I received several emails from(occutegirl) who was sending around messages to an email list that SOS was aligning with racists groups and encouraging those who received the emails to cease their association with SOS.
Just as I was reading these emails Joe called me to discuss some issues, and to caution me that -D may attempt to sabotage me. He warned me that she has a problem with wishing to be the "Queen Bee" in the organization and she sees me and the success of the Laguna Beach rally as a threat to her. I told Joe I noticed just that afternoon D seemed to be objecting to any suggestions I posted regarding the next SOS event. It seemed whenever I suggested returning to Laguna, he came up with an excuse as to why we shouldn't. Joe confirmed D and D were disturbed that Joe was asking my opinion on matters and taking my advice.
During that PRIVATE call I mentioned to Joe the emails D sent out about SOS and WN. I questioned why she would be doing this since she was the one who 1) took their pic 2) posted their pic 3) failed to take the pic down once she learned who they were and 4) was sending out emails this was "proof" SOS was aligning with them. Joe told me he felt she was the one who was stirring up the controversy, but there were other issues he had with her and he wanted her removed from the organization. (I seriously believe Dknew right off those people were WN. She stated that as soon as she arrived one of them threatened her, because of a T-shirt she was wearing that said something about being Jewish. So my questions still stand; why even after being threaten for being Jewish she would take their pics and post it?)
I also mentioned to Joe that I had a reporter from the LA Times stop me at the city council meeting and ask me why there were pictures of men holding and shooting guns posted under the topic of Laguna Beach Protest. (D claimed it was an oversight on her part, but I have posted pics before and know the thought that goes into which pic to select.) Joe said he would instruct the pic of the WN be deleted and the pics of guns moved to the appropriate forum.
All that evening I continued to receive emails D was sending out to groups outside of SOS basically saying "see WN are working with SOS". I sent some of these emails to a BIG player in the fight against illegal immigration and his comment was "she's either very stupid or working for the opposition. Either way this chick has got to go".
All readers should understand that I cannot remove anyone from the organization. I have no power to do so, or to alter any posts. Any decision to have (occutegirl) leave the group was made by Joe. He obviously felt she caused her own departure. I have also heard rumors that many others have left SOS due to issues directly relating to her. This was way before I even knew this board existed. I have been told D and Da are now refusing to participate in Laguna this weekend because they are upset Joe did not "side" with them on the choice of location.
It has been approximately 3 months since I have even learned SOS existed (which began my involvement in the cause), and during that time I have co-organized an extremely successful rally, been interviewed on the John & Ken Show, had the LA Times story picked up by the AP (the story was read across the nation), both my husband and I have been interviewed for 3 other news stories (OCRegister, Coastline Pilot, Laguna Beach Independent). I have spent hundreds of my own money on supplies, wrote press releases, made signs, put together press kits, slapped SOS fliers all over public restrooms across the OC, spent long hours researching information, and even hooked SOS up with FREE attorney services. In addition, I have addressed the city council and demanded they shut the day labor site down. Our home has been opened to SOS people, as well as the Minutemen, and we are (were) in the process of organizing a fundraiser dinner ($500 a plate) for Jim Gilchrist. AND I've had my life threatened!
Now back to D.....Yes, YOUR girlfriend WAS attempting to derail the group. This is the reason Joe choose to remove her from the group! Any readers can contact Joe for his story on this.
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"I'm sure once the city of Laguna Beach decides whether or not to raise your taxes for the landslide, we'll stop hearing from you"
The city if Laguna Beach decided not to raise property taxes a long time ago and I'm still around, but of course you wouldn't know that because you have no interest in doing any research on your own.
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"It's pretty easy to see when you're being used...especially when I consider your comments to others about SOS and our lack of whatever it is you need to feel "respectable" in front of your friends"
D, what could I possibly be using you for? What do you have that would be of any value to me? And who are these "friends" you claim I'm trying to impress? You are delusional.
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"There are people here that have put in more work than you know"
Dave, I looked all over to see what YOUR accomplishments were. Hmmmm, I must be missing something.
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"just go ahead and use us for the connections to Gilchrist and the Minuteman Project...then go away."
I met Jim Gilchrist LONG BEFORE I ever met anyone from SOS. I don't need this board to arrange connections to anyone for me. (Unless I was looking to meet some white trash ex-cons, in that case I'd ask you to introduce me to your relatives.)
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"The discord here hasn't been this strong when the Indymedia freaks were trying to infiltrate and distract."
You can thank your girlfriend for that. The only problems I've seen with discord has come from you and your girlfriend. The girlfriend who has been excommunicated from the group already. Why don't you and deb go away and start up your own group. Maybe you can call it Saving Face, because no other group will have you.
D, you are a childish imbecile. No matter how long you have stood and held signs on street corners or how many pics you have taken and posted you will NEVER do even a fraction of what I have done in just 3 months time. Save Our State would be better off without you. YOU and D will go down as the ones who destroyed this group.
Now, one last thing.......readers please note I have NEVER before personally attacked anyone on this board, but I just have to say that when D was choosing her nickname of "OC CuteGirl" surely she was JOKING!
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Yet, She is still in touch wtih SOS:
SaveOurState Posted on: Jul 31 2005, 11:27 AM
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Views: 86 The press is terrible. It is amazing at how bad they are at reporting facts. And I mean facts that really arent even open to bias. For crying out loud, the LA Times couldnt even get my age right.
The OC Register quoted Eileen as saying that she opposed a protest at the day labor center. Eileen and I personally discussed this and she was supportive of it and she sent me an email early this morning stating that she was misrepresented.
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Plural became one, arrested with reasons became "maybe" with no reasons...
and that's supposed to be a high truth towering over usual truths called lies
I've been monitoring the racist sites and noticed they routinely lie and not just anon posters on an open newswire but the *moderators and registered members* along with the "leaders" as well.
So a weak lie is used to point fingers while also covering up the routine lies from top down (as opposed to anon open publishing where *trolls often post lies and bait themselves* then post a reply accusing "IMC" of lying or distorting)