From Reuters, 6/30/05:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30542920.htm

Army recruits shortfall blamed on Iraq war critics

By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

Several Senate Republicans denounced other lawmakers and the news media on Thursday for unfavorable depictions of the Iraq war and the Pentagon urged members of Congress to talk up military service to help ease a recruiting shortfall.

Families are discouraging young men and women from enlisting "because of all the negative media that's out there," Sen. James Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican, said at a U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

Inhofe also said that other senators' criticism of the war contributed to the propaganda of U.S. enemies.

He did not name the senators.

you'd think the Bush daughters would enlist. I'm sure thier parents would encourage it...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050630/NEWS04/50630017/-1/NEWS

Military recruiters can be kept from students, Toledo board chief says

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=30089

ARLINGTON, Va. — Just six months into the government’s fiscal year, the Army was carrying almost the same number of deserters on its books as the service registered for all of 2004.

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I'd known that desertion levels across the board were at an all time high, exceeding the percentage of desertions at the height of the Vietnam fiasco where so many ground troops had either deserted or were scragging their own fascists that the ground war was shiften into an air war -- and then was an admitted defeat.

How much longer will this fascist regime try to pretend that their war crime atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan are "winable?"

Hey, Freddie, baby;

You are not bright.

To characterize the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq as 'war crime atrocities' merely exposes your ignornace of the concept.

What do you know of the conflict? Only what you read. Only what you are told. You are a mindless mouth of defeat, bleating away at the perceived injustices of the country that protects and provides for you.

You are the lowest of animals: the one that bites the hand that feeds you.

I'll bet you are either:
a) employed in the public sector.
b) a 'student'.
or
c) unemployed.

Fascists. Nazis. What a maroon.

troll

a troll that posts under many many different handles but whose words and attitude always shine through revealing it's just one person pointing fingers at other's who can't be bothered to READ his websites and who would KNOW the answer to the question already if you had

otherwise we're left with character attacks

the data he posted is accurate - desertion IS at an all time high

try attacking that insted of him

but I almost forgot - that's not what you're here for..

It's just the army. all the other branches met their quota. looks like it ain't working much at all. wish they would bring back the draft and catch some of you pussys.

> It's just the army. all the other branches met their quota.

No, actually all branches of the military have recorded at minimum one third lacks for the past seven months and -- amusingly -- even the Coast Guard has had an inability to meet their recruitment goals over the same time period. The highest lack of achieving the baby killer's goals was 47% -- they were down by 47% -- but all branches have met with increasing education among their perspective poor, black, and Mexican victims who are keeping awar in droves.

What we're also not seeing are the rightard mother fuckers who put "We support our troops!" stickers on their rightard mother fucker SUVs signing up or signing up their children and shipping them off to Iraq to murder even more innocent kids than the fascist regime has already slaughtered.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354133/
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20041025/008279.html
http://chronicle.com/free/2005/01/2005012701n.htm

Every Republican is a festing pile of dog shit, every last one of them. No exceptions. And on the whole every Bush Republican is a racist scumbag the rough equal to the "Save Our State" a.k.a. "Minutemen" scumbags, all of which glory in the indiscriminate slaughter of children with brown skin who worship the "wrong" gods -- and happen to be standing on their white Christian baby killer's oil.

Still, it's amusing. These Republinazi traitors and war criminals are getting their fucking asses kicked for them and their Christian clocks cleaned for them by the _people_ of Iraq. The only way these Christian Republinazis can win is to slaughter every last Iraqi down to the last baby in her mother's arms, and this fascist regime can't do it because half the American populace are _real_ Americans who don't think another Adolf Hitler is a good thing to emulate.

And the _reason_ why these fascist mother fuckers have lost is because the people of Iraq decided they would fight for their lives, for their children's lives, for their country, and for their country's oil. The day the people of Iraq decided they would fight back against these fascist mother fuckers was the day the fascist mother fuckers lost.

And that's why the baby killers are unable to fill their ranks across the board.

Hey cheetos warrior - why don't you tell THEM that ?

Hey Fredric, Hex, Stars & Stripes has retracted their original story. There is no marked increase in the number of desertions.

How you like them apples?

"And the _reason_ why these fascist mother fuckers have lost is because the people of Iraq decided they would fight for their lives, for their children's lives, for their country, and for their country's oil. The day the people of Iraq decided they would fight back against these fascist mother fuckers was the day the fascist mother fuckers lost."

Again, Fredric, you speak with some assumed authority on the goings-on in Iraq. I repeat my question: Have you been there recently? Have you talked with an Iraqi recently?

No, I didn't think so.

And kindly refrain from 'baby killers', it's not the American soldiers who are planting the IEDs that kill kids in Iraq.

>>>>>
>>>>>
Every Republican is a festing pile of dog shit, every last one of them. No exceptions. And on the whole every Bush Republican is a racist scumbag the rough equal to the "Save Our State" a.k.a. "Minutemen" scumbags, all of which glory in the indiscriminate slaughter of children with brown skin who worship the "wrong" gods -- and happen to be standing on their white Christian baby killer's oil.

Still, it's amusing. These Republinazi traitors and war criminals are getting their fucking asses kicked for them and their Christian clocks cleaned for them by the _people_ of Iraq. The only way these Christian Republinazis can win is to slaughter every last Iraqi down to the last baby in her mother's arms, and this fascist regime can't do it because half the American populace are _real_ Americans who don't think another Adolf Hitler is a good thing to emulate.

And the _reason_ why these fascist mother fuckers have lost is because the people of Iraq decided they would fight for their lives, for their children's lives, for their country, and for their country's oil. The day the people of Iraq decided they would fight back against these fascist mother fuckers was the day the fascist mother fuckers lost.

And that's why the baby killers are unable to fill their ranks across the board.


<<<<<<<<
<<<<<<<<


You need serious help if you're going to equate everyone in a vile diatribe. You're as bad as those you try an denounce..

> Hey cheetos warrior - why don't you tell THEM that ?

I've gone back and forth on this issue a large number of times. I keep flipping between opinions on whether the actual invaiders of Iraq are war criminals or whether they're just more victims of this fascist regime's war crimes.

These soldiers are the ones who have been pulling the triggers, bombing children in their beds, going house to house slaughtering men, women, children, raping kids and tortureing them -- and I'd like to see every last one of them dragged off to a world court to stand trial for their crimes.

But at the same time I keep thinking that they're in some way victims of this fascist regime's crimes, too, and that that should mitigate their murders to a small degree.

Bush and his fascist regime will never stand trial, will never be found guilty, and will never be remanded into the hands of the people of Iraq for justice. These soldiers -- most of them -- will never be tried, convicted, or punished either, but at least they get to live with the memories of the war crime atrocities they committed against innocent people. That's at least _something_; some measure of punishment.

I also read in the various news outlets -- foreign, never on FOX "News," of course -- that there's a record number of suicides among American killers who went to Iraq, committed their atrocities, and then cycled back home and were given _time_ to think and ponder about the war crimes they committed.

I don't believe that "I was only following orders" is a valid excuse for American baby killers, but I'm never able to decide whether they should be dragged off for puynishment along with Bush and the rest of the fascists as well, or whether they should be treated as just more of Bush's victims.

> Hey Fredric, Hex, Stars & Stripes has retracted their
> original story. There is no marked increase in the
> number of desertions.

S&S isn't the only news agency that covered the desertions, suicides, and officer scraggings,, ya frocking moron (no offense intended.)

However you're quite free to post the URL to back up your claim that S&S retracted the report.

You can do that, can't you, rightard?

Right. Limbaugh told you frocking shitheaps what to believe and here you are like a good, unthinking, rightarded moron glibly mouthing off your Fuhrer's fascist lies, totally incapable of providing evidence, huh?

> Again, Fredric, you speak with some assumed
> authority on the goings-on in Iraq. I repeat my
> question: Have you been there recently? Have you
> talked with an Iraqi recently?

Translation: The rightard only watches FOX "News" and as such hasn't a clue about the war crime atrocities and baby killing his Fuhrer is committing in Iraq.

Typical Republican. Supports the slaughter of brown children who worship the "wrong" gods and the frocking rightard is unwilling to sign up and ship out and commit his killing himself, face to face with the people of Iraq who are only fighting for their lives, their children, and for their country.

You know, this shitstain is claiming -- unknowingly, of course, but then rightard mother fuckers don't know shit -- that he would refuse to defend America is some fascist, baby killing mother fuckers invaded America. He's not only demanding that the people of Iraq don't have the right to defend themselves, he's stating clearly and publically that he himself would just stand aside and allow the invading fascists to slaughter his kids, take over his government, install a puppet dictatorship, seize his country's oil.

That's what this Republican shitstain is saying when he demands the people of Iraq aren't the victims here.

> You need serious help if you're going to equate
> everyone in a vile diatribe. You're as bad as those
> you try an denounce..

Translation: The rightard shitstain couldn't find a singgle thing I posted to be at all wrong, in error, inaccurate, or "sadly mistaken." The stupid shitstain Republican admits utter and total defeat and surrenders unconditionally.

Well, when you worship a Fuhrer who deserted the Air National Guard because he couldn't pass his drug testing, I suppose that's to be expected.

Question:

Since you support your baby killing Fuhrer's war against the Iraqi people so much, why aren't you in Iraq, soldier? What the frocking hell are you doing sitting at home in your comfortable chair drinking beer after beer when your country, your Fuhrer needs you?

Sign up and ship out, soldier! You support liberation, don't you? You support the spread of Democracy, right?

Well then, what the _fuck_ are you doing just sitting there, soldier? Sign the fuck up, already, and save your country!

Freddie, Freddie, Freddie;

Since you asked so nicely, here you go:

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=30111

Now then, don't you feel better?

Oh, and don't accuse me of inconsistancy or berate me as being a hipocrite.. I'm an infantryman patrolling the streets of Baghdad every day. I know what's going on very well, and I know that you don't know squat. You yap and piss and moan and you haven't been here and haven't seen anything.

You are a coward. And a willing disseminator of other cowards' lies.

So now what do you got?

> I'm an infantryman patrolling the streets of Baghdad every day.


Really ? Outstanding non-filtered internet connection you've got there..

I only took issue with the calling of names (pussy) - I didn't say yay or nay about the number of desertions. You should read more carefully next time. And while your at it, read about the NON depleted Uranium (nuclear reactor waste) you're "patrolling" through every day. If your internet connection allows THIS site then I know you can check that one out too -

http://www.umrc.net/du_and_ndu.aspx

good luck sucker

Hex;

Check your facts. I never called anyone a 'pussy'. And if you need to jump in to fight Freddie's battles it only proves my point about his 'condition'.

We are tested for DU exposure. Hundreds of thousands of American soldiers have already served here since the start of the war and not one confirmed case of radiation sickness has been found. Did someone notice that there is no 'Gulf War Syndrome' this time around? Hmmm, that's curious. I don't see any Iraqis dropping dead from DU exposure either. Every other malady on Earth seems to manifest itself in them, yet no DU issues. Could it be that the hyperventilating Left has invented yet another bugbear to wail about?

As for 'suckers', one who eats up all the protections provided them by soldiers while backbiting the system that provides those protections should really look in the mirror some time.

Oh, and happy 4th of July.

And God Bless America.

That lying, quibbling, traitor, over there, where he belongs. If we were to believe anything he ever said. Nah. I don't.

I thoght the DU issue was about heavy metal poisoning, not radiation.

I'm no paying much attention to it. Amy I wrong?

Aside from heavy metal poisoning, I think it's likely that some drugs were tested on soldiers, from what people have anecdotally described. (That, and prior history about the military testing drugs on people.)

> DU exposure


try NON DU



> fight Freddie's battles


is every dialogue a "battle" to you ?



> radiation sickness


Say it slowly with me, m-u-t-a-t-i-o-n-s (as in birth defects)

wanna see some pictures ?



> dropping dead from DU exposure


try birth defects and cancer (you don't drop dead, it takes time typically years to develop)

NON-depleted Uranium (what's the matter, have a brain block or something ?)



Here let me help you...



> hyperventilating Left has invented


So now scientists are "left" ?

Radiological Society of North America - this society is "hyperventilating" ?
European Association of Nuclear Medicine - this association is "hyperventilating" ?


"Quantitative Analysis of Concentration and Ratios of Uranium Isotopes in the US Military Personnel" - this means YOU

"Baghdad and Al Basra Results to be Presented to the Radiological Society of North America in Chicago" - isn't this where YOU ARE ?


"Iraq Civilians Found to be Contaminated with Depleted Uranium"


"Astounding" levels of uranium in the urine of Afghan civilians

Four months after the attacks in Afghanistan by the US and its allies, under the banner of Operation Enduring Freedom, a team of Canadian scientists led by former US Army adviser Dr. Asaf Durakovic, went to the battlefields to test Afghan civilians for evidence of depleted uranium. What they found shocked them.

Instead of depleted uranium, they found medically significant levels of non-depleted uranium in the urine of 100 percent of civilians tested, who live near bomb sites -- 400% to 2000% higher than the normal population baseline.


Quantitative Analysis of Uranium Isotopes in the Urine of the Civilian Population of Kabul, Afghanistan after Operation Enduring Freedom,



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>>you say>> Hundreds of thousands of American soldiers have already served here since the start of the war and *not one confirmed case of radiation sickness has been found.*



>>UMRC (a group of nuclear scientists) says >>

More than 221,000 American soldiers are now on disability due to severe war-related symptoms attributed to the mysterious "Gulf War Syndrome" and a growing legion of independent scientists and war vets, among them former Army health physicist Doug Rokke and independent researcher Dai Williams, have marshalled stunning evidence that depleted uranium is the cause.

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Also dozens of our people have DIED from it INCLUDING some of those very scientists and NGO people distributing food and medical aid, there are no reliable figures for the civilians since the military doesn't bother to count them at all..


"The Uranium Medical Research Centre (UMRC) is an independent non-profit organization founded in 1997 to provide objective and expert scientific and medical research into the effects of uranium, transuranium elements, and radionuclides produced by the process of uranium decay and fission. UMRC is also a registered charity in the United States and Canada."



So we're to ignore nuclear scientists *there making measurements and doing tests* and insted believe an anonymous TROLL who claims he's on the streets of Baghdad yet he's able to get through the single *military censored ISP* to post here.

If your Uranium "facts" are as believable as your internet connection your in big trouble !


-Obviously you didn't even check out the UMRC site and/or you *wish us not to*



PS I have hundreds of pictures of mutated infants and lots of examples of people sickened and killed, from doctors and scientists plus the raw measurements data - I collect the stuff..

Hex, sweet cheeks, bubbie;

Where to begin? At the beginning it is.

Your link above “"Baghdad and Al Basra Results to be Presented to the Radiological Society of North America in Chicago" - isn't this where YOU ARE ?” leads to the following link:

http://rsna2004.rsna.org/rsna2004/V2004/conference/event_display.cfm?em_id=4408249

Perhaps you would care to read the document, it isn’t all that long and the words are easy to understand. The pertinent facts are that the study itself is asinine. Their entire study of the populations of Baghdad and Basra boils down to 15 ‘civilians’ who, by the way, were participants in tank battles and / or aerial bombing attacks. Gee, I wonder if there was a chance that they might piss hot if they were next to a tank that got hit by a freaking SABOT round. Exactly how is this miniscule sample of persons indicative of a wider spread DU problem?

If one guy contracts Bubonic Plague in Toledo, Ohio should the headline read “Toledo civilians found to be contaminated with Bubonic Plague” or “Dirty Dave is sick”?

To take a sample of 15 people who, by their own admission participated in tank battles and extrapolate their experience to a city with a population of almost 6 million is scientifically bogus, and can only arouse suspicions of political motivation.

NICE BAIT AND SWITCH:

I said that no one is getting sick with ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ this time around. No one is coming up sick with radiation sickness, yet you trot out the statistics from the first gulf war of over 200,000 claimed cases of GWS. That’s my point, not your point.

Let me explain it again:

First Gulf War: One month bombing campaign followed by 100 hour ground war. Ground fighting restricted to Kuwait and uninhabited regions of Southern Iraq. Aerial bombing campaign strikes Baghdad, Basra, and other major cities of Iraq. American personnel are on the ground in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for less than a year, in some cases for as little as 3 months, living in bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait removed from the battlefields. Result: 200,000 cases of GWS.

Second Gulf War: Three week ground campaign and simultaneous air campaign throughout Southern Iraq, leading to the capture of Baghdad. Subsequent operations in the North. American personnel are on the ground in Iraq and Kuwait for at least a year, operating in the cities and areas that saw some of the heaviest fighting. Several rotations of soldiers have subsequently deployed to Iraq, and operate in the same areas. Result: 0 cases of GWS.

Why the disparity between the two conflicts? Why were so many soldiers who operated on battlefields for such short periods in the first Gulf War sickened, yet no soldiers suffer from the malady today, despite the fact that these soldiers live and operate on the very ground where the highest concentrations of DU munitions were expended? Could it be that GWS is NOT caused by DU? Heaven forfend! That would mean that the GWS catalyst lies elsewhere! Perhaps in the indigenous fauna? Perhaps in the chemical warheads attached to SCUD missiles fired by Saddam Hussein? Perhaps even in malfunctioning experimental vaccines that soldiers were required to take? Who knows?

Now, as to my veracity, I don’t really give a fiddler’s fart if you believe I am where I am. Your childish understanding of military matters and belief that we’re all confined to a single ISP address is ludicrous. Iraq’s a big country, baby. There are a lot of contractors living here with us, and a lot more Local Nationals who can be contracted with to provide all the necessities (well, almost all) of life. Including Internet access.

What you and Fredric have in common is a knee-jerk hatred of your own country and a willingness to attach it to any crime no matter how far-fetched. Look at you: you ‘collect’ pictures of birth defects in Iraq? I see birth defects here every freaking day. You are told that these birth defects are the result of DU, but how do you know? Many of the Iraqi people live in the Middle Ages. Their concepts of sanitation, cleanliness, personal hygiene are atrocious to Western standards. They suffer from every possible malady including Hepatitis A, B, C, and some strains that have no letter yet. They have worms and bad teeth, rashes, infestations, infections, and everything else under the sun. To profess to ‘know’ that a child born with a harelip or a freaking hand growing out of his back is the result of DU is preposterous, especially given the fact that the battles of the First Gulf War took place only in Kuwait and the far south of Iraq, which is a virtually uninhabited desert.

Speaking of Kuwait, how come the Kuwaitis don’t have a remarkable number of DU issues? Their whole small country was a battlefield, including their only sizable population centers, yet no complaints of DU poisoning emanate from that quarter. Curious.

That’s enough for now.

Sheepdog!

Wow, long time no hear your whining voice and the squeek of your wheelchair! Still a shut-in I see. I thought you were dead.

Well, your dream has come true. But fear not my sweet Sheep, I'll be back in Californ-I-A soon enough.

Smootches;

Simple Simon

ROFL!

I knew it! Look at this buttfuck's source.

> Army says its desertion numbers were wrong;
> Stripes takes share of blame

Try a _valid_ reference, ya frocking rightard moron.

Now.

Why aren't you in Iraq, soldier?

http://coloradem.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/2/31511/60636

> Check your facts. I never called anyone a 'pussy'.
> And if you need to jump in to fight Freddie's battles it
> only proves my point about his 'condition'.

Translation: The rightard _doesn't_ "support our troops" and he's againstr "liberation" and "democracy." He's not in Iraq when his Fuhrer needs him most because he's an unamerican yellow belly who likes the thought of brown-skinned kids having their limbs blown off but he's too much of a Republican to go to Iraq and slaughter kids himself.

We see that the fascist regime's desertion rates have doubled along with the overwhelming lack of baby killers signing up for any of the branches of the military.

So why isn't this rightard in Iraq helping his Fuhrer out?

http://coloradem.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/2/31511/60636

You know "simon" science doesn't work with striking contradictions, like -



> not one confirmed case of radiation sickness has been found

> piss hot




> 15 people / almost 6 million


[FACT] 221,000 American soldiers are now on disability

this list is growing, is CURRENT and the Uranium sickness takes TIME to manifest, so it's not a group specficly tied to exposure 15 years ago but a ever-growing number of people *continuing* to express symptoms *as time goes on*

the reason is simple enough for even you to grasp - the radioactive half-life of Uranium is *billions of years* and that's not even considering the NON-DEPLETED URANIUM *tests prove* is being used, that contains far more harmful *nuclear reactor waste* isotopes.

Scientists are proving with *isotopic ratios and radionuclide scans* - unlike a troll who found science today, with no tests or measurements, these tests and scans *prove NON-depleted Uranium is being used*


You again didn't read carefully to see the caseload is CURRENT and being found in the urine of not only US military personnel, but most importantly (I noticed you totally ignored this) 100 % of civilians tested, not only in Iraq but also in *Afghanistan* with NO malfunctioning experimental vaccine involved to blame it on.


the statement-


"no one is getting sick with ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ this time around. No one is coming up sick with radiation sickness"


is patently FALSE - the tests and measurements these teams of scientists are doing now *directly contradict* this lie.



as are these -


"Result: 0 cases of GWS"

"no soldiers suffer from the malady today"


the scientific data being collected *as we speak* completely contradicts this.



> Could it be that GWS is NOT caused by DU?


It's likely the first round of "GWS" is being caused by BOTH the vaccine AND non-DU plus the anti-nerve gas agent they were forced to take (pyridostigmine bromide) along with DEET and permethrin (pesticides)


The evidence is strong that the military *poisoned it's own troops* with these chemicals while the evidence is weak to non-existent that there actually was any nerve gas used..

The evidence I'm speaking of is from *scientific tests and measurements by scientists and doctors* (as opposed to baseless finger-pointing with NO tests or measurements by a non scientist or doctor - YOU)





> What you and Fredric have in common is a knee-jerk hatred of your own country


I'm speaking ONLY of tests and measurements by scientists and doctors, your characterizations are groundless and serve only to vent your own beliefs and feelings, as you have no evidence or data to back any of it up.




> I see birth defects here every freaking day. You are told that these birth defects are the result of DU, but how do you know?


Urine samples provide PROOF of Uranium exposure, radiation is the single strongest causative agent known to man for mutations, plus the extremely high level of said mutations that were *not presenting BEFORE the war in that population.*

only AFTER..


> Many of the Iraqi people live in the Middle Ages. Their concepts of sanitation, cleanliness, personal hygiene are atrocious to Western standards.


Iraq *was* the most modern and advanced of Islamic societies right on par with our own, hell even *better* in some ways with universal HEALTH CARE as proven by *lower infant mortality* then even our own country *UNTIL WE BOMBED THEM INTO THE STONE AGE*, and the years of SANCTIONS WE IMPOSED made matters worse, we denied them both medicines and the materials to re-build thier water and sanitation plants, AFTER BOMBING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE which is a WAR CRIME. We have done this TWICE to them..


And you've actually got the gall to blame them for it ! "their concepts" - NO, *OURS*, WE DID IT. They didn't bomb themselves, we intentionally bombed their infrastructure - twice.


> To profess to ‘know’ that a child born with a harelip or a freaking hand growing out of his back is the result of DU is preposterous

100 % *measured* levels 4 to 20 X's normal, RADIOACTIVE LEAD-LIKE element (which is highly toxic chemically as well, elements in that class are well known to cause DNA damage - LEAD POISONING)

Uranium is even more toxic than lead PLUS is radioactive PLUS is contaminated with nuclear reactor waste (NON-depleted) PLUS is proven to be there by tests (shows up in the urine and bones)



No matter how much you attempt to dismiss, downplay and ignore with your newly aquired "scientific reasoning" you can't deny the facts already proven, established, tested and measured by actual scientists and doctors using real instruments.


No amount of empty hot air will undo what's already been proven.


And you will have no trouble posting here & now the *IP of your gateway* you route through to show us how you get around the military imposed *censoring* which I've actually confirmed by doing tracerouts, net and port scans. I didn't just read about it, I actually mapped the routes to Iraq to see for myself that it's being done.

Odd that you don't have trouble getting through with unrestricted access when *everyone else does*

So post the IP's you route through and I'll trace and map them to varify them.

http://coloradem.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/2/31511/60636

What's so amusing is that the fascisrt regime's own sources are either telling the truth, or they've been ordered to lie depending on which branch or agency of this fascist regime is covering the regime's desertion rates.

Of course the butchers can't clamp down so easily on _all_ sources, so that probably explains why there are still truthful coverage of this fascist regime's desertion rates still making the news even as the fascist regime tries to suppress their own military's coverage of their desertion rates.

It's also amusing to recall how this fascist regime's invasion and baby killing began. Remember? A couple of American soldiers sent to Iraq in the fascist regime's initial invasion scragged a number of officers and enlisteds within weeks of their tents getting set up and their initial invasion being launched.

Funny how news of the scraggings quickly dropped into invisibility after a week of solid coverage -- outside of US news agencies, of course.

> What's more, desertions had been dropping since
> 9/11 and this news reverses the trend. Beforehand,
> desertions rose between 1993 and 2001. This
> report, commissioned by the U.S. Army Research
> Institute for the Behavioral and Social Sciences, said
> that the desertion rate quadrupled in that time, from
> 1,284 to 4,785.

http://coloradem.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/2/31511/60636

So there. Eat shit, traitors. Anyone who supports this fascist regime's war crime atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan don't deserve to live in America.

> I thoght the DU issue was about heavy metal
> poisoning, not radiation.

Detailed coverage of the consequences of this regime's use of depleted uranium is all over the Internet, and they're well known.

The issue isn't so much the fact that these are nuclear weapons because the remaining radiation is extremely low. They're "nuclear" only in the sense that they increase the background radiation of large swatches of Iraq to double what they normally are.

The real problem with DU munitions that this fascist regime is using on innocent children in Iraq is that they are toxic. Any asperated heavy metal is going to cause birth defects and massive damage to children.

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml
http://www.rense.com/general64/du.

In fact the use of depleted uranioum munitions constitutes war crimes according to a number of Acts, Accords, and Resolutions of Geneva and other Accords inasmuch as depleted uranium munitions fall untoi two war crimes against humanity:

1: The munitions continue to kill long after "hostilities" are ended.

2: These munitions "significantly alter" the environment in large portions of Iraq. What Geneva and other According bodies consider to be "significantly alter" is one of the issues that this fascist regime has been trying to undermine in its justification for committing its war crimes against humanity.

Anyone who supports and defends this fascist regime's war crimes is himself a criminal who deserves to be dragged off before a tribunal to stand trial along side their "leaders."

> What you and Fredric have in common is a knee-jerk
> hatred of your own country and a willingness to
> attach it to any crime no matter how far-fetched.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths/
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/02/sprj.irq.main/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7185.htm

You were saying, rightard?

I bet this rightard supports and defends his Fuhrer's "USA PATRIOT Act" since he's obviously an unamerican rightard with an IQ of 80.

Why isn't this rightard in Iraq where his Fuihrer needs him?

It's very important to understand exactly what the scientists measurements mean

Natural Uranium and depleted Uranium is bad - far worse than lead chemically which in itself causes birth defects, but the radiation is Alpha which means it's not especially dangerous as long as you don't get it in your body..

Dust is a very big problem because the enviroment is dry and sandy, so sandstorms tend to blow the dust all around compared to here where we have rainfall and trees to absorb it..

The big deal with non-depleted Uranium is that it has *nuclear reactor waste* in it which gives off more dangerous Gamma radiation and some of the radionuclides break down as they decay into even more radioactive (ratio of X-ray and Gamma & Beta to Alpha) isotopes.

Nuclear reactor waste is extremely dangerous and toxic compared to just Uranium

The military has been *lying to us* about using it.

They also lied about the vaccine and the pyridostigmine bromide pills, plus DEET and permethrin are pesticides which are not good either

Personally I will not use DEET (OFF and other brands of mosquito repellants) as I don't consider it safe, and permethrin is definitely not safe.

Recent studies have shown *all* pesticides cause brain and nerve damage especially in children, DEET's "safety" is based on not being absorbed through the skin - not that it's actually safe..


The military exposes and lies to the troops with no regard for *long term consequences* as proven by the troops they exposed to radioactive fallout during the above ground A-bomb tests they did in the 50's where even civilian populations within hundreds of miles (mostly downwind) have *now* shown greatly increased cancer rates and *birth defects*

The non-depleted Uranium measured here is exactly the same.

They are spreading nuclear reactor waste all over those countries which is a form of low-level *nuclear warfare* - those lands will remain radioactive in a dangerous form (X-ray and Gamma with some Beta) for years plus will be radioactive in a less dangerous way (Alpha) forever.

That's the real scandal and what they most want to hide..

'Excellent idea.'

Gee here's a thought.
We are now being visited upon by the slime of Simple Simon, aka the liar w/o honor. Something wrong?
Things must be going REAL well in the bone yards of Afghanistan and Iraq.
These are the poor bastards, weasels like Simple Simon, have betrayed.
He sugar coated torture, detentions and of course DU ( and Hex is correct about the waste product contamination of isotopes that are only produced in reactors) in this not depleted but enriched weapon family of Uranium ammo. And when they come home ( another big if in my mind ) individuals like SS will be somewhere else sucking someone else's fascist agenda off with greasy words and deeds.

he's a cheetos warrior

He would have no problem coughing up not only his IP but many details of the ISP, it's webpage URL, other URL's there, any one of those "other" ISP's and IP gateways he's bragging about..

It's all bullshit

He's one of our troll friends lying his ass off in an attempt to gain moral high ground by claiming to know things you could only know if you were there.

Only he doesn't have any info - either about the non-depleted Uranium or network details.

He can't give me any IP's or URL's I can't access from here

The real giveaway was his racist "their concept of sanitation" screed plus ignoring the body of the data I presented about 100 % and which populations it applies to.

He's "simply" a cheetos warrior parroting the drivel spoon fed by talk radio and neocon blabber

You can always tell when this is the case because the depth of the argument and data is shockingly shallow - as soon as you hit him with real data he becomes blinded to it, then attacks your character rather than the data presented, plus has none of his own other than what propaganda he manages to paste or recite from all the usual sources that we already have access to..

> Your childish understanding of military matters and belief that we’re all confined to a single ISP address is ludicrous.

"--Iraq's ISP Traffic Moves through US and UK Satellite Hookups

It appears that Iraq's only Internet service provider (ISP) sends and receives nearly all of its traffic through satellite hookups provided by companies in the US and the UK. "

I'm still waiting for those other Iraq ISP's you claimed you're using..


hello ?

anyone there ?

(I guess he was censored)

... that he triped over his dick again and fell into the razor wire of his lies.

Hex, sweetie;

I'm none too computer savvy. Why don't you tell me how to post the information you request and I'll be glad to do so.

Oh, and I'll expect a big apology from you, Sheepdog, and Freddie the Freeloader.

toodles;

Simple Simon

Freddie;

I fear you might be really stupid. You criticise my linking to an article in Stars and Stripes which corrects an earlier mistake, yet your link to Daily Kos leads to an OPINION piece based on the original (retracted) Stars and Stripes story.

You are, in short, not bright.

I apologize for the entire human race even if I'm not responsible for you. With you still fouling the Earth with your malignate presence I can only feel shame. And hope that justice and yourself become very well acquainted. The sooner the better.

1.) a screen shot of your homepage

2.) the name of your ISP

3.) a screen shot of your networking property page

4.) the info on your network connection icon in your system tray under "details" tab

here's a screen shot as an example -


(the 2 little computer screens that flicker) next to the clock, double left click on it and a box will pop up, click on the "Details" tab and you will see this box -


tell me the name of the ISP and especially the numbers I put as X's - those are PROOF of whether you are really in Iraq or not...

He is in Iraq, you can bet he's not in a fire team, choking in the heat, but at a keyboard in a comfy air con room hidden inside the green zone. Otherwise he'd get fragged but quick with his mouth and attitude.

will confirm if he is, I can trace route and ping him plus the route will have at least a few hops inside Iraq before his computer

If he's in Iraq he has nothing to fear since the internet there is sniffed anyway.

If he's a cheetos warrior residing here (I set my clock to California time before I grabbed a screen dump) he will never produce the IP's since he's afraid to let us know where he is.

My bet is California or N.C. (Chris or Jerry) but in any case state-side and NOT overseas much less Iraq..


My XP is set to windows classic style - his will prob be the normal XP theme but the info will still be the same..

The umbrella in my tray is a good firewall, the blue box is netlimiter and the green eye is Proxomitron - he won't have those.. the other network icons are parts of our internal network - he should only have one..

The internet connection here is provided by Alosat Comm. Inc.

This is what the details say:

Device Name: WAN Miniport (PPPOE)
Device Type: PPPoE
Server Type: PPP
Transports: TCP/IP
Authentication: PAP
Compression: (none)
PPP multilink framing: Off
Server IP address: 10.0.0.1
Client IP address: 10.67.15.53

The type of internet access we currently use is a pay-per-hour password system. I am using a wireless conncection. As such, the name of the ISP on the top bar is not the ISP. The details of the wireless connection are:

Address type: Assigned by DHCP
IP Address: 200.200.210.70
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 200.200.210.1

Under the 'details' tab is the following information:

Physical Address: 00-0E-35-63-AA-97
IP Address: 200.200.210.70
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 200.200.210.1
DHCP Server: 200.200.210.1

nic-hdl: CGB
person: Comite Gestor da Internet no Brasil
e-mail: blkadm@NIC.BR
address: Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7° andar
address: 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP
country: BR
phone: +55 19 9119-0304 []
created: 20020902
changed: 20050621

I'm in Brazil?

Wow.

If this is what Brazil looks like, all those tourists are being ripped off.

this is the best trace and info server I've ever found - it's often able to penetrate proxies and provides much more info than other tools..

it also says Brazil - Rio de Janeiro

another tool said Uruguay which is right next to Brazil and in the same netblock

the name you provided (Alosat Comm) does NOT correspond to the IP

doesn't mean anything

Try a screen shot of your home page - the website *of your ISP*, technical details of *your ISP*, paste some URL's from your ISP's webpage..

the 200.200.210.1 is Brazil

(the whole 200.x.x.x netblock is Latin America)

the 10.x.x.x is a private intranet netblock and is USELESS, the Alosat Comm. Inc. name is USELESS - there is no information available for it

any IP in these ranges are useless;

10.x.x.x
172.16.x.x
192.168.x.x

the huge blurry picture is useless

all you are providing is contradictory and useless info..

the only useful data you've posted is IP's and netblocks for Latin America and Brazil..

"Did lonewarrior actually say he was in Iraq posting on IH when you captured his north american IP, Omega?


oh for christs sake.. the guy NEVER had an Iraq IP."

.

.


it's a common game for cheetos warriors to claim they are in Iraq but they don't realize there's only one ISP for Iraq and the IP netblock is hard to find..

I have the data already - I'm ready to POST the only Iraq ISP data, company, street address IN Baghdad, Iraq, and phone number, etc..

I don't know how to take screenshots. Again, I must plead computer illiteracy.

Here I am with my squad in front of some place in Montevideo, I suppose.

yet you feel free to argue scientific and technical points about NON-depleted Uranium, isotopic ratios and radionuclide measurements, etc



So now you can't even *paste an URL* from your homepage...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"here you go:

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=30111 "

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
you pasted THIS URL...

hmmmm

so now your saying you've lost this ability ?

"I must plead computer illiteracy" --

"Your childish understanding of military matters and belief that we’re all confined to a single ISP address is ludicrous."


You ARE confined to a single ISP

here it is ;

194.117.56.0 - 194.117.63.255

Iraqi National Communications and Media Commission(NCMC)


mnt-ref: IQ-MNT
mnt-ref: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: IQ Administrative Role Account
address: Al-Masbah Mahala 929
address: Baghdad, Iraq
phone: +964 7901427265
nic-hdl: IQA-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: IQ Technical Role Account
address: Al-Masbah Mahala 929
address: Baghdad, Iraq
phone: +964 7901427265
nic-hdl: IQT-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered

% Information related to 'ORG-INCa1-RIPE'

route: 194.117.56.0/24
descr: IQ ccTLD service network 194.117.56.0/24
origin: AS35160
mnt-by: IQ-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered



notice the size of the netblock.. Oh I forgot, you're now "illiterate".

Do I detect a bit of testiness?

I can cut and past urls all day long. That's a bit different than taking screen shots. I don't know how to do that.

I can, however post more pictures: Here's the flag of Sunny Sunny Brazil. Ole!

then paste some URL's from your ISP's webpage (which is your default homepage unless you've changed it)

the 200.x.x.x IP's are Latin America, but if your ISP's homepage URL's (domain) are presented I can do a lookup and determine what the IP's are


paste some URL's from Alosat Comm..

I changed my homepage to Drudge Report long ago.

If you would like information about Alosat Comm. Inc. you can reach them at:

bahaa@alosat.com
or
abraheem1978@hotmail.com

Look, here's some of my fellow air-conditioned office workers providing overwatch for a meeting between US forces and local authorities.

alosat.com


1 69.28.227.197 Succeed USA - New York PEER1-TORCAT4VLAN-11 Peer 1 Network Inc. 69.28.227.192 69.28.227.207 Yes Peer 1 Network Inc. 2100-555 W. hastings St., Vancouver net-admin@peer1.net abuse@peer1.net +1-604-484-2588 ARIN alosat.com

TraceRoute to 69.28.227.197

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 0 0 1 66.98.244.1 gphou-66-98-244-1.ev1.net
2 1 0 0 66.98.241.4 gphou-66-98-241-4.ev1.net
3 0 0 0 66.98.240.6 gphou-66-98-240-6.ev1.net
4 1 1 2 129.250.10.229 ge-2-1-0.r02.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net
5 2 1 2 129.250.3.46 p16-7-0-0.r00.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net
6 47 47 47 129.250.2.19 p16-0-3-1.r21.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net
7 48 51 Timed out 129.250.5.20 p16-7-0-0.r01.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net
8 36 36 37 206.223.115.30 equinixexchange.peer1.net
9 37 37 37 216.187.115.234 oc48-pos0-0.wdc-sp2-cor-1.peer1.net
10 37 37 37 216.187.115.246 oc48-pos2-0.wdc-sp2-cor-2.peer1.net
11 42 41 41 216.187.115.221 oc48pos3-0.nyc-telx-dis-1.peer1.net
12 49 49 49 216.187.115.129 oc48-pos3-0.mtl-core-a.peer1.net
13 55 58 55 216.187.90.46 oc48pos4-0.mtl-core-b.peer1.net
14 55 55 57 216.187.68.94 oc48pos2-0.tor-core-b.peer1.net
15 55 55 55 216.187.114.149 oc48pos7-0.tor-151f-dis-1.peer1.ne
16 57 57 60 216.187.68.246 tor-fe3-4a.ne.peer1.net
17 Timed out Timed out Timed out -
18 Timed out Timed out Timed out -


that's NOT Iraq, it's

OrgName: Peer 1 Network Inc.
OrgID: PER1
Address: 2nd Floor, 75 Broad Street
City: New York
StateProv: NY
PostalCode: 10004
Country: US

NetRange: 69.28.192.0 - 69.28.255.255
CIDR: 69.28.192.0/18
NetName: PEER1-BLK-07
NetHandle: NET-69-28-192-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1VAN.PEER1.NET
NameServer: NS1MTL.PEER1.NET
Comment:
Comment: For abuse issues please e-mail abuse@peer1.net. All other inquiries can be directed
Comment: to support@peer1.net. Our 24 x 7 NOC is available at 866-484-2588
RegDate: 2003-03-10
Updated: 2003-09-24

NOCHandle: ZP55-ARIN
NOCName: Peer1 Network Inc.
NOCPhone: +1-604-683-7747
NOCEmail: net-admin@peer1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: NSA-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Peer 1 Network AUP Enforcement
OrgAbusePhone: +1-604-484-2588
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@peer1.net

OrgTechHandle: ZP55-ARIN
OrgTechName: Peer1 Network Inc.
OrgTechPhone: +1-604-683-7747
OrgTechEmail: net-admin@peer1.net

CustName: Peer1 Internet Bandwidth
Address: 2100-555 W. hastings St.
City: Vancouver
StateProv: BC
PostalCode: V6B-4N5
Country: CA
RegDate: 2003-11-05
Updated: 2003-11-05

NetRange: 69.28.227.192 - 69.28.227.207
CIDR: 69.28.227.192/28
NetName: PEER1-TORCAT4VLAN-11
NetHandle: NET-69-28-227-192-1
Parent: NET-69-28-192-0-1
NetType: Reassigned
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-11-05
Updated: 2003-11-05

NOCHandle: ZP55-ARIN
NOCName: Peer1 Network Inc.
NOCPhone: +1-604-683-7747
NOCEmail: net-admin@peer1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: NSA-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Peer 1 Network AUP Enforcement
OrgAbusePhone: +1-604-484-2588
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@peer1.net

OrgTechHandle: ZP55-ARIN
OrgTechName: Peer1 Network Inc.
OrgTechPhone: +1-604-683-7747
OrgTechEmail: net-admin@peer1.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-07-04 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


Here in the Americas..

So tell paste boy - where did you get

200.200.210.70

Latin America..
.
.

69.28.227.197

North America..

.

194.117.56.xxx

is Iraq

not even close

here's the trace route for Iraq ;

TraceRoute to 194.117.56.1

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 0 0 4 66.98.244.1 gphou-66-98-244-1.ev1.net
2 1 1 0 66.98.241.4 gphou-66-98-241-4.ev1.net
3 0 0 0 66.98.240.5 gphou-66-98-240-5.ev1.net
4 1 2 1 129.250.10.189 ge-2-0-0.r02.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net
5 8 11 9 129.250.5.40 p16-1-0-1.r20.dllstx09.us.bb.verio.net
6 9 10 13 129.250.2.223 xe-0-0-0.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.verio.net
7 29 29 30 129.250.5.84 p16-3-0-0.r01.chcgil06.us.bb.verio.net
8 49 48 47 129.250.2.123 p16-1-1-2.r20.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net
9 47 47 47 129.250.2.33 xe-0-3-0.r21.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net
10 47 47 47 129.250.10.182 ge-0.colt-telecom.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net
11 106 106 106 212.74.80.54 ge3-0-icr1.lon.router.colt.net
12 106 106 106 212.161.120.44 v10-acc5-r1.pct.uk.colt.net
13 106 106 107 213.86.40.175 -
14 106 106 106 194.117.56.1 -


as you can see it goes to London then hops via satellite directly down to Baghdad..

200.200.210.70 is NONE of these, is Latin America

all the pictures in the world don't effect network topology

So SS is NOT inhaling U238+...
I knew it sounded too good to be true.

this is the wayback machine showing it's gone


the http://www.alosat.com/ website is GONE

plus the 200.200.210.1
IP he said is alosat is *reserved world-wide* to Latin America - NOT Iraq

He never gave an Iraq IP or *any valid info about any internet network in Iraq*

You can't even connect to http://www.alosat.com/ at all because it was closed down about a year ago - try it and see..

HTTP proxy reports :
(Connection timed out. For more information about this event, see ISA Server Help. )


Even when it was up, it was at 2100-555 W. hastings St. Vancouver, BC - Canada

So he's been wasting my time since yesterday making shit up then posting pictures anyone can grab off the 'net and claim anything about.

the data I posted proves he's lying and even the website he claims as his ISP has been gone for quite awhile..

I quick google would have lead him to http://www.alosat.com but he didn't realize it's a dead URL

the 200.200.210.70 was his first mistake - hell at least he should have used alosat's own IP - 69.28.227.197

he wasn't even clever enough to do a lookup to find that

he pulled the 200.200.210.70 out of his ass (well actually not quite - it's a problematic IP that's difficult to run trace route on)

there are no Latin America reserved IP's in Iraq..

I'd say it's Chris (kobeSBM) as he did pick out an IP he thought I would have trouble tracing down..

the IP he gave would have looked like this..

not only terminating in Iraq like this does, but ROUTING TO IRAQ too - like this does..

Hi Hex, from sunny Brazil.

That sign's from the front of one of our uparmored HMMWV's. It's written in both English and, Portuguese, apparently.

But hell, you know better than me.

Please give us many many (smaller ) photos of your fun in the sandbox. Perhaps a study of the seasons of terror or the joys of occupational on the job training in the field..

I want IP's and URL's

This ISP you have - paste some URL's from it's webpage (this is now the 4'th time I've asked)

the 200.200.210.1 is FAKE
the http://www.alosat.com/ is DEAD
the picture DOESN'T MATTER

You keep asking and I keep telling:

I changed my homepage a long time ago, so I can't post a link to the ISP's URL.

I don't know how to take screenshots. I have, however, taken a picture of a dumpster from in front of my barracks just for you.

Look, Hex, the boys want you to come out on patrol with us. Awww, isn't that sweet?

The streets of Montevideo can be dangerous, so buckle up!

toifor.com = 217.160.73.66

Schlund NCC Schlund + Partner AG, Brauerstrasse 48, D-76135 Karlsruhe, Germany


it's dark there I see..

In Germany it's 7:30 AM - just around dawn
In Iraq it's 9:30 AM - 3 hours past sunrise



just tell me the NAME of your ISP, who you pay..

it's not http://www.alosat.com/ - that's been dead a year and is in Canada

So, let's recap...

I've been spotted in Germany, Brazil, Uruguay, Canada?

Let's play a little game. See the symbol on the connexes out the back door of my barracks?

That's the symbol for the 29th SIB. Care to venture a guess which country the 29th SIB is currently a resident of?

No, it's not Paraguay.

"I've been spotted in Germany, Brazil, Uruguay, Canada"


WRONG

1.) you've failed to provide an IP in Iraq -

2.) the IP's you HAVE provided are IN Brazil/Uruguay, Canada and Germany.

(the network topology data doesn't lie - YOU DO)

3.) the ISP you provided has been dead a year...

4.) the pictures you've provided mean nothing

we're not going to play the "De Voy" game where you keep
evading a SIMPLE question and insted play photoshop games.
And he's wastes his time distracted playing cat & mouse
with you insted of answering a SIMPLE question -


what's the URL of your ISP's webpage ?

(this is the 5'th and last time I'm going to ask it,
unless you supply it you will be IGNORED)

you are WASTING MY TIME ;

1.) I asked for your IP - I got Latin America IPs for an answer

2.) I asked for your ISP - I got a dead site for an answer

3.) I asked for your ISP webpage URL - I get NO answer

4.) I asked you to stop wasting time posting worthless picts - I get MORE worthless pics


If you have time to make up and post pictures you have time to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
that YOU begged by claiming you're in Iraq *in the first place*

Funny how you're smart enough to argue medical, scientific and network issues,
yet NOW TOO DUMB TO EVEN PASTE YOUR OWN ISP WEBPAGE URL


OR EVEN SAY WHAT IT IS - WHO YOU *PAY* FOR YOUR PAID INTERNET ACCESS...

And "let's play a game" is the only thing you WISH to do..

Now Hex, really.

You do seem to be getting a tad testy. Do you need a time out?

I have said time and again that I changed my homepage as soon as I got internet access so I cannot provide you with the URL of the ISP.

I am more than willing to provide you with a screen shot of my network connections, but, as I have said time and again, I don't know how to take a screen shot.

I told you from the beginning that the Internet service we have here is provided by Alosat Comm. Inc. If you bother to do a simple Google search on this exact term it would return only two hits. The first one is:

[XLS] Smartphone & Wireless Summit
File Format: Microsoft Excel 2000 - View as HTML
Alosat Commuincations Inc. Bahaa A Hadi. Owner. Iraq. 73. Alpha 55. Angelo Maurice
... Executive Manager - UAE Banking & data Comm/Security Solutions ...
www.mepocketpc.com/ Smartphone%20and%20wireless%20Summit%202004%20Participants%20List.xls - Similar pages

Now, Didn't I provide you with an e-mail to a bahaa@alosat.com some time back?

So, perhaps YOU don't know what you think you do. Perhaps the only 'liar' here is a puffed up know-it-all who arrogates to himself the ability to navigate all the ISP's in the world.

Now, anyone in the world can do the same Google search and it'll give them the same Google answer. So what's your next argument? That I posted an Excel Spreadsheet on the web some time in the past in anticipation of arguing with a pinhead like you?

I suspect you'll be 'ignoring' me soon. Suits me just fine. You were the last weasel standing. Sheepdog and Freddie abandoned ship some time ago, realizing much quicker than supercomputerlord that I am where I say I am. And I can provide you with pictures from Iraq until the cows come home. You wanna know why?

Because I'm in Iraq, Dumbass.

the URL is DEAD - if you try to go there you get NOTHING

the wayback machine shows it's been dead for a year

WHO DO YOU PAY FOR YOUR PAID INTERNET ?

You never gave an Iraq IP, the ones you did give are Latin America, Canada and Germany

You can claim you're in Iraq 'till your blue in the face but unless you provide PROOF, you're wasting my time

As to the name calling, characterizations and what Sheepdog and Fred's positions are none of that matters just as none of those pictures matter

You actually attempt to second-guess my technical data when you can't even *take a screen shot which is built-in to windows* or even _point your camera AT your computer screen_ even though you can point it elsewhere...

Can't simply state *who you pay for your paid access*

But insted alternate between worthless pictures and baseless insults - A GAME

a simple google search shows those only 2 hits, and THEY ARE DEAD - exactly what you pasted as your ISP when asked for it - I already pointed that out SEVERAL TIMES, how all you did WAS a simple google search to try to find an Iraq ISP to claim as yours.

You are not arguing with me - you're arguing with *network topology data* that I even posted screen shots of to drive that point home.

E-mail RIPE and ARIN and tell *them* they are wrong - I only posted THEIR DATA WHICH SAYS YOU'RE LYING. Anyone with even modest internet abilities can do a WHOIS and TRACE ROUTE - there's nothing "know-it-all' about it.

except of course to a person too dumb to even point his camera at his computer screen or say who he pays for his paid access...

I'm sorry your abilities are so shockingly limited - if you had some of the brain function tied up in *attitude* re-allocated to basic motor skill function like point & shoot you wouldn't feel so threatened and defensive about other people's average and modest internet/computer skills.

Your motor function works fine pointing the camera at *things that don't matter* but you become paralysed when aiming at your computer screen

your typing skills are fine for throwing mud, but your fingers stop working when typing *who you pay for your internet access*

odd isn't it ?

Golly, are we getting our little feelings hurt?

Could it be that your edifice of confidence is starting to crack?

Don't get all weepy about the lack of civility in this conversation, sonny. You're the guy who's been throwing around 'liar' 'cheetos warrior' etc.. for some time now.

For the umpteenth time, I pay my First Sergeant who pays a company called Alosat Comm. Inc. Here's a picture of their flyer. Hell, it even has their phone number on it, why don't you give them a call?

Here's the bottom of the flyer. I split it into two shots because it would have been illegible otherwise.

I've taken a shot of the broadband connection details. I'll post that next.

Here's a shot of the broadband connections.

The numbers are different because I'm on a different computer in the Internet Cafe.

here's the results

no connection can be made PLUS it's in Canada anyway

entering it into the Wayback Machine

the Wayback Machine shows it's been DEAD for a year

click on START > PROGRAMS > ACCESSORIES

then click on COMMAND PROMPT

a DOS box will open, type TRACERT WWW.ALOSAT.COM

then press [ENTER]

take a picture of what it shows or just post the first few IP's you see

this will show the your route out of Iraq and the IP's your ISP uses..

Nice Try. You should be less deceptive. People are watching. Even your own screen shot says to remove your quotation marks. If you did, your screen shot would look like this:

Looks like I learned how to make screen shots.

I tried TRACERT http://www.alosat.com and the reply I got was:

unable to resolve target system name http://www.alosat.com.

Look, I am willing to try anything you'd like to track down how this computer system works. We have both wireless hubs and an internet cafe with about 15 machines. The cables are all routed to a satellite dish on the roof of the barracks.

Now, I've shown you the literature in the internet cafe, by a remarkable coincidence a man with the first name Bahaa who owns a company with the name Alosat Communications Inc. from IRAQ attended a smartphone and wireless summit a while back. Pretty amazing stuff.

Again, I'm not a computer guy. I'm an infantryman. If you ask me who we pay we pay that guy. What his business name is? Alosat. That's what it says. I'm sorry if that's not the real name or the guy is operating his business through some other front or whatever.

I'm fascinated now. You give me another means to try to find out how this place is routed and I'll try it.

But I'm still in Iraq.

...they got Cheetos there?

you can use the tracert command on any URL like www.google.com - the DNS servers still work for www.alosat.com here, although it's been gone for a year, - use the IP insted then..


"tracert 69.28.227.197"

as to being clever & deceptive, google checks over 8.billion web pages, even without the exact spelling (which is what the quotes force) there's only 2 hits neither direct - only *mentioned* (often without exact spelling you'll get millions of hits - too many to wade through)

The wayback machine shows it's *not there anymore* - which is why you can't resolve or connect to it (your own trace route attempt confirms this !)

even if you could it's in Vancouver, BC - Canada, NOT Iraq

any trace route will do - try using an IP (which doesn't rely on resolving)

tracert 207.46.19.30

(microsoft.com)

any trace route out of Iraq will show the IP of your ISP/gateway..

"Alosat Communications Inc" is the proper name but google gives no hits for it either..

Here's the Middle East Business Directory (yellow pages) I did searches both general *and* specificly Baghdad, Iraq

I traced Microsoft. Attached is the result.

Your ISP gateway is 62.68.80.225 - which is the first "real" IP you go through but it's in Greece
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___where did you get 200.200.210.1___

which is Latin America
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the 62.68.95.1 is the satellite connection in Greece

and other end of the satellite connection 63.218.44.53 is at ;
Reston Executive Center, 12100 Sunset Hills Road, Suite 300, Reston, VA, 20190, US

the 10.0.0.1, 172.16.80.225 and 10.3.3.2 are routers

I did 2 traces that both agree your ISP is in Greece


The Iraq ISP routes from NYC through London then via satellite directly to Baghdad..


there is no indication you are in Iraq at all - the only 2 IP's I get are the first one you posted which is Brazil and this one which is Greece

the Canada and Germany are indirect - the resolved IP of your ISP "Alosat Communications Inc" and that sign "toifor.com"..

from you directly I get Brazil & Greece

the info needs to be accurate otherwise the packets can't route and you lose connectability.

one last note -

the route delay to Greece shows it's a geostationary satellite (it takes time for the signal to travel 45,000 miles up then back down to earth)


that's all the info I can get - the closest I can confirm you to Iraq is Greece

your not using the only known Iraq ISP which traces to Baghdad as I posted

if there's a hidden link between Iraq and Greece, internet tools cannot find it

so with the data you've provided there's no way to confirm it as it's not an internet connection (an IP tunnel would explain it but there's no way to see)

I do use IP tunnels myself so I know it is possible...

By considering this we are leaving the realm of the internet (below the IP layer) so there's no way to say - to the rest of the world you appear to be in Greece..

the only question left is where you got 200.200.210.1

The first shot I sent was from the wireless connection. When you go to Google through the wireless you end up in a Greek language version, so I'm not surprised it is routed through there. This second shot is taken from the LAN line. The LAN is stupid slow these days, so it times out after just a few hits.

1.1.1.1

is barely an IP at all, it's not routable. (it's reserved and not supposed to be used except for possibly broadcast/multicast)

whoever set up that network is whacked in the head...

the other 2 are intranet - private IP's not routable

you can increase the timeout

tracert -w 10000 200.200.210.1

(10 secs)

and 200.200.210.1 ?

BTW the delay between you and Greece is very small - this means you either have a very fast connection to Greece (a typical wireless connection is 11.mbps and yields a few ms to 6 or 7.ms or so) and/or are IN Greece..

not withstanding the sub-IP tunneling I mentioned

the only "real" (routable) IP you've provided with trace routes IS Greece

in contrast, the Iraq ISP I provided is routable *right into Baghdad*

I still want to know where you got 200.200.210.1

any packets on such an interface would conflict with *assigned* IP's in Latin America causing routers to direct them away from you towards L.A. insted

a U.S. military base at Souda Bay, Crete

facilities in northern Athens suburb of Kifissia

U.S. Military Base at Souda Bay, Crete. All American employees assigned to the Mission, as well as eligible dependents, are authorized to use the U.S. Military base facilities and services on Crete. A uniformed services ID card is required for admission to the military base. The yellow card must be presented when purchasing controlled items. All cards are provided to non-military personnel by the HR Office.

I've never been to Greece.

I have attempted to track down the 210 number. I went to the wireless details and found the info pasted above.

I got there through the Wireless Status dialogue, above.

Wow. I can't believe you did that.

You know, I saw it, and it didn't register for a while. But then I saw it again and something stood out.

You posted a link to the wayback machine above, and it showed that alosat.com had 8 pages in 2004, the last one posted on 30 SEP 04. Since no new pages had been posted since late September, you proclaimed the sight dead. You also insisted that the site was in Vancouver, BC.

The first and last hyperlinks had been viewed. You viewed them. And what you viewed is reproduced above.

You knew back then that alosat.com is an IRAQI VOIP provider, not a CANADIAN company. You knew and you lied about it. You attempted to cover up the evidence, hoping that no one would call you on it. And just because a company isn't maintaining their website or has allowed their website to 'die' doesn't mean that they are out of business. Especially in a country which is in the middle of rebuilding its entire infrastructure. Alosat consists of an old man and a half dozen of his sons. They wire up a lot of FOB's, they even wire up part of the International Zone.

the link is here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040324165836/http://alosat.com/

Why would you do that? Why would you intentionally dissemble merely to 'win' an argument when you KNEW that I am where I say I am?

In short, what the hell is wrong with you?

Well I guess you can start 'ignoring' me now. In your quest to destroy my credibility you have only ruined your own. You knew that I didn't know shit about computers or networking so you thought that you could steamroller me by covering up the very evidence that would prove my verity. Despite all the evidence in photographs and information that I provided which attested to my location, you insisted that I provide you an internet trace to Iraq. What you discovered is that the ISP's operating in Iraq are using back doors and other tricks to connect to the internet, including routing through other countries.

Your premise from the beginning of the conversation is that there is only one ISP in Iraq, and that all military personnel use it and it is heavily censored. That is patently false. But to admit such would be a blow to your Ego, so you chose instead to lie.

You might consider posting under a new handle from now on too, nothing that 'hex' posts can be believed.

Why don't we call this this thread the Simple Hex sock puppet show?
Are all you little clowns ready and wearing your wheeze?? Here we go.

the (very crude) web page is DEAD

there's no IP in Iraq connected to it - it's IP *is* in Canada just as I posted

*you can't even resolve it* - just as YOU posted

the info on it is *exactly what a google search shows that has already been posted by both me AND you* as one of the only 2 search results for a DEAD link - it's not only dead but HAS BEEN for about a year.

the IP's you just posted screen shots for are USELESS private IP ranges and NOT the 200.200.210.1 or 70 you claimed.

You don't seem to understand the difference between private *non-routable* IP's and actual internet IP's, or the diff between a DEAD LONG GONE webpage and a working one.

the theory you just came up with (well they're busy rebuilding, etc) is NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY DATA

it appears due to it's crudeness to be a FAKE webpage (a real business with "150 lines to Iraq" wouldn't have such a simple crude SINGLE web page)

but it's dead, has been for quite awhile (you only got to even SEE it by pulling it up from archive JUST LIKE ME)

you can't even resolve it which means your DNS servers have flushed it from thier caches

but being so crude and small it is ALREADY POSTED (the text about the "150 lines to Iraq" is in the google results we both posted already)

the crude dead page doesn't add anything new..
and all the IP's you're posting in these ranges -

1.x.x.x
10.x.x.x
172.16.x.x
192.168.x.x

are USELESS and don't mean or prove ANYTHING

you're just blowing smoke up our asses, none of the data or "theories" you're posting MEAN ANYTHING

the 200.200.210.1 is NOT Iraq, does NOT route to Iraq and is NOT in any actual screen shot - you *typed it only*

the only IP that matters is Greece and you are suspiciously close to it - both in hops (it's the first real hop from you) and in delay (a few milliseconds, which strongly suggests the wireless access point is IN Greece - that's the expected delay from wireless or 10.mbps or better)

I checked and there IS a U.S. Military base there - I had to pull up State Department data to get any details which suggests it's some kind of covert operation going on there - the data isn't freely available, the base was closed several years ago and now only has a skeleton staff to support operatives or something..

Once more the web page is DEAD, doesn't say anything we haven't both already posted and the IP's you're screen shotting are USELESS and NOT 200.200.210.1

the only 2 "real" IP's I've gotten from YOU are Greece and Brazil, so for the 6'th time, *where did you get 200.200.210.1 from* ?

let's call it the back biting multi-handle flake "water will kill us because I'm too stupid to learn elementary school science" thread

all this time and the hundreds of pictures of jet trails that's been posted - all based on ignorance of just basic science - thinking the trails are something other than condensed engine exhaust - and cirrus clouds don't exist because they all "sublimed", so how can they




so tell me "bob" what do you have to ADD to this discussion about IP's, tracing, network topology, Iraq's only ISP, dead crude web pages being "proof", routing non-routable packets or "back door IP conflict with Latin America routing" networking "tricks" ?

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I didn't think so

No need to be feeling slighted we could call it the Hex Simple thread instead. Iccy mah show, hiacu!

lets just call it what it is - a giant waste of time and IMC bandwidth

(I do use JPEG optimizer with magic compression to squeeze the pictures down as much as possible yet maintain quality enough to keep the print sharp and legible)


If people worried about exotic technology have honest questions I'm more than happy to answer them - I am NOT under some hidden agenda - as long as you acknowledge I do have a bit of experience in the hard sciences and show it by *not second guessing me at every turn*. after all it's not my responsibility to educate persons unknown who do seem to have agendas *as expressed by continuing to post unsupported theorems even when they are hidden*

I even dive into the long forgotten wasteland of hidden threads and try to help when obviously virtually no one is reading them by then..

that should tell you something about my motivations - if I was out to grandstand I would ignore such threads

I do have a natural love of teaching and knowledge from an early age as I related...

There's a Japanese saying I'm fond of

"Its embarassing only for a second to ask a question, but the shame of never asking and not knowing lasts a lifetime"

For Sheepdog seeing as he has a good heart, I'm willing to dialogue in e-mail if desired (although I expect him to keep the e-mail address to himself and not post it on here)

This will save the disunity that presents when such questions and answers are carried out in public forums like this..

I want you to have all knowledge possible, and don't want trolls exploiting the situation or sidetracking discussions...

I have a vast technical library with data you can no longer get on the internet as well as advanced datamining tools and techniques

lets just call it what it is - a giant waste of time and IMC bandwidth

(I do use JPEG optimizer with magic compression to squeeze the pictures down as much as possible yet maintain quality enough to keep the print sharp and legible)


If people worried about exotic technology have honest questions I'm more than happy to answer them - I am NOT under some hidden agenda - as long as you acknowledge I do have a bit of experience in the hard sciences and show it by *not second guessing me at every turn*. after all it's not my responsibility to educate persons unknown who do seem to have agendas *as expressed by continuing to post unsupported theorems even when they are hidden*

I even dive into the long forgotten wasteland of hidden threads and try to help when obviously virtually no one is reading them by then..

that should tell you something about my motivations - if I was out to grandstand I would ignore such threads

I do have a natural love of teaching and knowledge from an early age as I related...

There's a Japanese saying I'm fond of

"Its embarassing only for a second to ask a question, but the shame of never asking and not knowing lasts a lifetime"

For Sheepdog seeing as he has a good heart, I'm willing to dialogue in e-mail if desired (although I expect him to keep the e-mail address to himself and not post it on here)

This will save the disunity that presents when such questions and answers are carried out in public forums like this..

I want you to have all knowledge possible, and don't want trolls exploiting the situation or sidetracking discussions...

I have a vast technical library with data you can no longer get on the internet as well as advanced datamining tools and techniques