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What happened In Victorville (SOS rally)

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

The SOS was in Victorville on Saturday. The picture quality is real bad but it's all we've got. Check below for the rundown of what happened.

What happened In Vic...
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Activists and residents from Los Angeles and the High Desert showed up to oppose the presence of Save Our State, the racist, immigrant scapegoating group led by Joe Turner of Ventura. Save Our State was there to oppose the presence of day laborers at Home Depot locations. At a prior SOS rally in Laguna Beach they were heard calling day laborers “vermin” and “disease carriers”.

Our group arrived at around 8am expecting to find day laborers on the grounds of Home Depot. When we found none we asked around and got directions to the location where the local day laborers congregate. The site was about 5 miles from Home Depot. We drove there and let the guys know that a racist group was in town and to be aware if they see anything resembling a California flag coming toward them. We waited until 9 just to make sure SOS wasn’t coming to that location and when we saw that they weren’t we headed back to Home Depot on Bear Valley Road.

We got back at 9:15am. Another group of counter-demonstrators was already on the ground. A few of them walked up to the street to scope out the situation and were handed two flyers by the anti-immigrant demonstrators. One lamented the fact that whites would be the minority in the U.S.A. in approximately 25 years and the other repeated the SOS claim that “our communities are becoming cesspools”.

We decided to stake out a corner across the street. So we all got in the cars, drove across the street and parked. When we got to our corner I could see the anti-immigrant protesters had staked out the two corners across from us. There were about 8-10 on one corner and the other group had about the same amount on the other one.

I later found out from talking to a reporter that SOS was on one corner and a group called the National Vanguard was on the other. From the looks of things the National Vanguard were akin to skinheads, white power groups or the KKK. If the SOS message isn’t racist then why are so many racists attracted to their message. At least twice I heard the yells of “white power” and “deport all Mexicans”.

By about 10:30am our ranks had swelled to around 20 with some other activists showing up along with members of the community who were opposed to the SOS racist message. At least 2 times community members brought us waters on ice and sodas.

At about 11:30am our ranks had swelled to 27. Apparently not getting the publicity he wanted, Joe Turner and a couple of his goons headed across the street to try to provoke us. With absolutely no police present at the time they were never, ever physically threatened. And they claim we’re violent?

One of Turner’s goons headed to the parking lot to utilize the old, right-wing intimidation tactic of taking pictures of license plates. We weren’t intimidated. With about 50 cars in the lot how did he know which cars were ours? We stayed where we were and kept the chants of “Nazis Go Home” , “Save Our State Means Racist Hate” , “Racist Go Home”, “Baldwin Park, Baldwin Park” , etc.

When they couldn’t provoke us Turner and his goons just left. I don’t mean they went back to their corner. I mean they went home. SOS packed up and went home at about 11:50am, ten minutes earlier than they had scheduled.

And while we were focused on the Turner boys the skinheads left too. A corner in Victorville was liberated.

Save Our State is coming to the Alhambra Home Depot on June 18 and will be back in Baldwin Park on June 25. Be aware that they are looking to provoke us. That is the only thing they can do to get publicity for their message.


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But we're not racist...

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

But we're not racist...
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This guy wants the borders closed but my guess is that he might have some other things in mind as well.
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The Skinhead's Girlfriend

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

The Skinhead's Girlf...
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She was getting a real kick out of herself here. Isn\'t she cute?
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The SOS corner

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

The SOS corner...
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This is what SOS looked like in Victorville. At the most I counted 10 on their corner.
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This was our side

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

This was our side...
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It's the only picture I have of our side.
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Joe Turner standing guard

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

Joe Turner standing ...
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He tried to come over to our side to provoke a reaction but we just let him stand there and look silly. When we finally ignored him he just left.
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Turner and his Goons

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

Turner and his Goons...
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The guy in the white stood there with the bullhorn and said things like "La Raza is muy malo\" and goaded the white people on our side with the statement. "why are you betraying your European blood.\"
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But we're not racist...

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

But we're not racist...
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How else can a sign like that be interpreted.
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The man in white

by Eyewitness to Victorville Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:32 AM

The man in white...
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I guess they wear white helmets now too?
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Liars

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 6:50 PM

You idiots are legendary! Nice bullshit account of what really happened. No one from SoS tried to provoke any of your hatemongering, racist turds so stop lying.

Yes, we will see you in Alhambra and no we won't be trying to "provoke" anyone. We have a good repoire with the local police and they have told us they are quite aware of your presence and will take the steps needed to ensure you are kept in check.
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What really happened?

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 6:54 PM

For a far more accurate account of the Victorville demonstration go here:

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2509

Remember, you can believe essentially NOTHING that comes from the Indy Media propaganda mill.

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Close the Borders

by Rock Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 7:21 PM

Indymedia is always lying!
No one believe anything Independant Media says.
Indymedia is a big joke! Hitlerish dribble.

LIARS!
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Close the Borders

by Rock Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 7:22 PM
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Why is this American FED_UP behavior any different from the La Raza creeps
in Baldwin Park?

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a little defensive guys?

by John Riley Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 7:56 PM

Hellfire, the word is rapport - - not "repoire" . . .

If you guys weren't trying to provoke than why is Turner holding his flag pole like a gun???
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"repoire"

by johnk Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:17 PM

That's the best spelling of "rapport" I've read so far. That's also a funny line there from SOS: "why are you betraying your European blood." Kneel to the power of HEMOGLOBIN! All hail our GOD -- PLASMA, PLATELETS, and HEMOGLOBIN. Heil Hemoglobin.
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Viva!

by johnk Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:32 PM

Viva!...
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This picture is too funny. It's obviously an SOS or Nazi car that's been painted up with these slogans.

This got me thinking, though. When you see brown pride stickers or those metal things car club guys like, they're often in that fancy "old english" or germanic script. When you see white pride people, unless they're into some nordic trip, they like that lettering too.

What's up with that?
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It does not matter

by me again Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:45 PM

Baldwin Park is soon to be upon us.

Now, the real problem is the National Guard has been called upon to protect Americans from threat of harm.

Yes, the National Guard should be there.

But, ICE needs to be there!!!!

I can quarantee you, if ICE was there arresting and detaining illegal Mexicans, there would not be much of a counter protest left.

Baldwin Park is no longer an American community. It is mostly Mexican. Fallbrook is also, mostly a Mexican communtiy.

After we deport all illegal Mexican invaders, you will have no one left on your side.

All this talk about the rapid growth of Latino communities, throughout America. They are Mexican communities, who have invaded our American communities illegally.

All illegal Mexican invaders will be deported. Then, we will have peace again and our American communities will be restored, to the rightful citizens. Americans.

Someone, make sure to notify ICE, before the Baldwin Park rally.

This is what this stupid monument in Baldwin Park is all about.

These illegal Mexican invaders, marching up and down our streets, as if they belong to them.

SOS, make sure to demand that ICE be there. We have to hold American government officials accountable for this insanity.

The National Guard has to be called up to protect Americans from protesting on American soil? To protect us from a bunch of illegal Mexican invaders, who have no f****** right to be here.

Yes, SOS you must demand that ICE be there. It is our tax payers dollars paying their salaries.

June 25th, must be the beginning of deporting these illegal Mexican invaders immediately, along with their treasonous supporters.
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RE: "repoire"

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:50 PM

If you are hung up on spelling errors you obviously have nothing of substance to defend your pro-illegal alien position.

With regard to comments about european blood being betrayed. Those sorts of comments are aimed at the Mexicans who themselves have European blood. Its mocking their own racist position. We had people Whiter than some of our own members telling US to go back to Europe. Nice try Spaniards. You can deny your European roots all you want. You are hypocrites.
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RE: a little defensive guys?

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:53 PM

Dear Idiot:

Turner holding his flagpole like a gun? That might be your warped interpretation. Does it frighten you?

You might ask yourself why your racist Mexican mob throw rocks, water bottles, soda cans, bricks at cops and demonstrators, attack vehicles, don ski masks and other facial coverings and threaten violence.
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Racists violence

by Fredric L. Rice Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:59 PM
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> Turner holding his flagpole like a gun? That might
> be your warped interpretation. Does it frighten you?

If the racists are pantomining assault with firearms, they need to be photographed doing so so that they can be charged with making terrorist threats -- with hate crime added.

Of course such charges don't stick to white skin, but it'll look good in the news.
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What's up with the "illegal Mexican" talk?

by johnk Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 8:59 PM

Why do you idiots always think Mexicans are "illegal"? You all talk as if every single brown person is an illegal person.

Most of the people protesting against you were born here. I know for a fact the people I demonstrate with are citizens, and many have roots going back to the 1800s.

I sympathize with immigrants, probably because I get "profiled" as one a lot. They're just trying to do better for themselves, and I respect that.

SOS are just a bunch of nativsts. Same Old Shit.
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Substance

by johnk Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:03 PM

>If you are hung up on spelling errors you obviously have nothing of substance to defend your pro-illegal alien position.

You can click on "read more by johnk" to see if I have said anything about the issue.
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Rifles

by johnk Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:04 PM

That rifle-flag thing is weird.

It's like "air guitar".
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Hey Freddy

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:21 PM

You still have not addressed why your minions wear ski masks, throw rocks and bottles at cops and demonstrators who hold American flags, claim that California belongs to Mexico and tell American citizens to go back to Europe.

Still waiting....
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Freddy Rice's friends

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:34 PM

Here ya go, pics of Fred's best friends...

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2555


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Coming Soon To A Neighborhood in the SGV

by Theobald Wolf Tone Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:46 PM

Coming Soon To A Nei...
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Joe Turner as The Rifleman
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playing "air rifle"

by Theobald Wolf Tone Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 9:49 PM

playing "air ri...
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error
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spelling error

by John Riley Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 10:17 PM

The spelling error by Hellfire is just funny. It’s ironic. The anti-immigrant crowd is so worried about their culture being destroyed yet can’t even spell a word commonly used in “their” own language.
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RE: Spelling error

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 11:09 PM

Gotta love you cretins. Once again, you have not a leg to stand on when it comes to your pro-open borders, pro-illegal alien position so you dwell on insifnificant typos and spelling errors.

Again, truth is essentially non-existent on Indy Media. Leftist drool and Soviet-era propaganda is all that's found here.

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And yes....

by Hellfire USA Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005 at 11:13 PM

I also spelled "insignificant" wrong. I type with four finger, so sue me.

Freddy, still waiting to hear why you schmooze with Mexicans dressed like terrorists....
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National Vanguard article

by John Riley Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:55 AM

National Vanguard website weighs in about the Victorville demonstration:

(Keep in mind as you read this that this is the type of thinking that the SOS message attracts and also keep in mind that the National Vanguard contingent was larger than the SOS contingent. The ratio was about 15:10 in favor of the NV. The counter demonstrators across the street outnumbered both groups combined)

National Vanguard article:

"The issue absolutely is racial," said National Vanguard spokesman Kevin Alfred Strom. "We're talking about whose land this is and whose children will inherit it. That means we're talking about race.”

"We are a pro-White organization and we oppose these changing demographics; we oppose open borders. We want a free, proud, White America."

[Joe] Turner failed to provide any reasoning why Mexicans and other non-White immigrants should be permitted to take our jobs, land, and our very sons and daughters.


http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5284
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Hellfire USSR

by 1Planet1People Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 12:37 PM

You still have not addressed why your minions wear ski masks, throw rocks and bottles at cops and demonstrators who hold American flags, claim that California belongs to Mexico and tell American citizens to go back to Europe.

Still waiting....
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Ski-Masks: Not able to profile and then pick people up later. Read what happened to the Black Panthers. Read about the FBI assaults on protestors during the WTO and IMF protests. They get your picture, and then go to your house. Many are arrested or killed, and many didn't do anything but exercise their rights. Also, many people are showing solidarity for the Zapatistas. Where a mask, protest tomorrow. Even with our video cameras, we can't tape anything and with liars like you out there, who knows what they will claim someone did.

Throw rocks and bottles at cops: Bulls*it! I got this on video, along with the arrests. NOTHING was EVER thrown at the cops. The fact that they claim this, reinforces the importance of the masks. Someone did throw a bottle at you guys in Baldwin Park (likely by one of your own goons who came over to our side so you could get the pity votes, but that is just my personal opinion and not based on anything factual).

throw rocks and bottles at cops and demonstrators: One bottle was thrown. There have now been well over a thousand different people who have shown up to protest you, and ONE person MAY have thrown a bottle. Boo Hoo, go back to your room and cry more. You act like there were mass attacks. Put things into perspective, people have been overwhelmingly proper and legal, and except for the one incident where a car window was broken after that racist Hal drove into the people (who were NOT on his van like you morons keep claiming), everything in GG and BP were peaceful. Honestly, I don't know how people hold back their rage at you guys as I have been to anti-KKK protests where I HAVE seen bricks and rocks thrown at them. I think the anti-racist people of California should be proud of their restraint.

Claim that California belongs to Mexico and tell American citizens to go back to Europe: If you talk to a thousand different people, you will get a thousand different answers. People showing up against you are not in an organization, we don't have unified views. For many of us, the ONLY thing we agree on is that we DONT want your group here. You will find quotes to say ANYTHING you want. YOUR group (on the other hand) is representing itself, and EVERYTHING said on your side reflects SOS. So the White Pride bulls*it demonstrates the deep hatred driving your organization. As far as the European statement, as a white person, and a citizen of the Peoples Republic of California, I agree, you racists pack your hatred and take it STRAIGHT back to Europe. It's (and YOU) are not welcome here.

Is that a good enough response to your argument you backwoods inbreed racist loser! If you take the time (and can figure out how), search indymedia and stop wasting our time. Your responses are already addressed. It is like telling the village idiot every day that you need to eat your vegetables. I am sure tomorrow you will ask the same question and when people are sick of saying the same old stuff, you will claim that we cannot defend ourselves.

PS, I heard that the government is going to open the border anyway. How does it feel that all the energy you are putting into this is all for absolutely nothing. It is like you are holding paper cup to stop the Mississippi. You guys are idiots!!!!!

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1Planet1Pussy

by Hellfire USA Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 1:09 PM

The lies you spout, the distortions, the misrepresentations, the propaganda, the sheer arrogance - its all staggering. Where does one begin to refute such immense, towering heaps of manure???

How many friggin' times must someone bonk you over the head over this White Pride crap? You just have some sort of mental block that prevents you from comprehending the obvious. I don't need to restate the same things over and over, do I??

You are a liar to the core. I do admit that I am embarrassed to even be entertaining any sort of debate with someone who can do little more than lie.

That said, the only thing American citizens can do is continue to assemble, demonstrate against leftist, traitorous scum like you and your cohorts, bring attention to the open border danger, highlight the racism and hypocrisy of the Aztlan movement, promote the truth and spread the word.

Now, with regard to violence by your groups. You do know that the more you assholes continue to misbehave the more likely it is you are going to push American citizens over the edge, right? We've made it clear that we will never initiate conflict or any sort of open confrontation. Any sort of harm visited upon your band of thugs will be the result of a retaliatory action. But you must understand that this will always be a last resort. We'll let law enforcement continue to handle you animals the way they see fit but if you somehow slip past their lines and manage to make hostile contact with one of us you can count on a retaliatory response that you will never forget.

So, behave.
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Violence?

by Pachamama Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 1:33 PM

This news item is about Victorville. I was in Victorville on Saturday. There was absolutely no violence on the part of any of the anti-racist demonstrators. Nor were there any ski masks. So why are we being stereotyped as violent people in ski masks???

However, whether they are wearing ski masks or not, I am always happy to see people demonstrating against racism and/or against any of the other ways the state and its henchmen try to divide us and pit us against one another while they rob us blind.
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Re: Violence?

by Hellfire USA Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 1:59 PM

I am referring to the last two demonstrations in Baldwin Park and Garden Grove where these so called "anti-racist" demonstrators attacked members of the SoS organization as well as the Minuteman project AND the GG police department.

These people are the very model of racism. Better do some research.
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Happy to see no violence

by The Big Boss Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 2:04 PM

I am very happy, personally, to see no violence at these demonstrations. I must tell you that these protests and the counter-protests are being carefully observed. At Baldwin Park for instance there were at least 16 different law enforcement entities there as observers, including the FBI and Homeland Security Departments.

I would suggest strongly that everyone stop any violence you see in the future. If the person next to you is behaving badly it would be best for your cause to ask them to stop.

The first group that initiates any violence will be dealt with severely, and you are not going to like the results.
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usually...

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 2:12 PM

...the ones which provoke or provide violence are the 'heat' ( federal, state, county, etc.)
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Hellfire USSR

by 1Planet1People Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 2:17 PM

1Planet1Pussy
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The very use of this word only shows your backwoods mentality. I don't think I have heard someone use that word since 1985. Hehe, brings back memories. I wander if you have a mullet and listen to Megadeath or Country Music as well.

See, you claim I lie, but you can't seem to see the truth before your eyes. SOS and Stromfront share several members, and you claim the racists are not with your group. At the least, have them post under different names so it at least APPEARS that they are separate groups. You are not the sharpest marble in the bag.
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1Planet1Moron

by Hellfire USA Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 2:50 PM

It doesn't surprise me you have not heard the word pussy since 1985 - that's probably the last time you got any. :)

Are you blind? Take a close look at the Alhambra demonstration and tell me you don't see other ethnic groups of people among us.

Face it, you are hung up on this White issue because you disklike Whites. I am of mixed ethnicity and several of our members are Hispanic and Asian. Joe has stated repeatedly that we will stand with anyone who share our views in this battle to save our nation, regardless of ethnicity. He has also made it clear he will not affiliate SoS with any White racist organization. If they show up, they do it on their own terms. They have their own reasons.

What about YOUR racism?
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Vanguard

by John Riley Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 3:12 PM

The National Vanguard showed up in Victorville because the SOS MESSAGE is very close to THEIR MESSAGE.
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Racist AND Sexist

by pachamama Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 4:44 PM

Hellfire, when you attack people by using the word "pussy" and/or by implying that they haven't gotten any, you really expose your sexism.

By the way, I was at Garden Grove and Baldwin Park too, and I didn't witness any violent acts by the anti-racists who were demonstrating against the SoS and the Minutemen.


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Racist AND Sexist

by pachamama Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 4:45 PM

Hellfire, when you attack people by using the word "pussy" and/or by implying that they haven't gotten any, you really expose your sexism.

By the way, I was at Garden Grove and Baldwin Park too, and I didn't witness any violent acts by the anti-racists who were demonstrating against the SoS and the Minutemen.


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European blood explained

by littlebopeep Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 6:03 PM

What was really said was, "why do you hate your european blood". It was being said to Mexicans that are really of European decent for the most part, like most of those there. Since they are always telling us to go back to Europe, it seems like you hate European' and are thereby hating yourselves.

It seems like all of the counter's believe they are Aztec's. What a crock.

Also, the circle around "La Raza" means the National Council of La Raza, not La Raza as in the "the race" in general.
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The Racism and a White Person's Response

by Leslie Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 6:11 PM
lradford@radiojustice.net

The public face of the Minuteman movement to prevent undocumented Mexican migrants from crossing into the United States. The Minutemen, SOSers, and CCIRs expressed reasons are myriad: Mexican migrants are ill and they shouldn't have health care; Mexican migrants are uneducated and their (often U.S. citizen) children shouldn't have education; Mexican migrants take jobs from U.S. workers, so the Minutemen close down day laborer centers to deny jobs to the neediest U.S. citizens and migrants alike; billboards and artwork in the United States encourage immigration although they're only visible on this side of the border; Mexican migrants are unpatriotic so the Minutemen disrespect the President and continue their vigilante patrols.

Never mind that no terrorist has crossed into the United States from Mexico; it could happen. Never mind that 1.5 million Mexican farmers have been displaced from family subsistence farms in the first ten years of NAFTA, and anthropology assures us that they will migrate to ensure their survival. Never mind that, at 5% and dropping since 2003, U.S. unemployment is barely a blip on the economic radar screen. Never mind that the amount of weed carried into the United States by border-crossers is far less than is grown here. Never mind that California's economic woes began with the exploitation of its residents by U.S. oil and gas megacorporations and won't be cured by deporting workers.

With all these contradictions, the real reason the Minutemen so despise undocumented migrants must lie elsewhere. And it takes little digging to uncover their fear of reconquista, a vague notion that, maybe with or maybe without the collusion of the Mexican government, MEChA students and their allies will undo the Mexican-American War and take the lands of the Southwest for Mexico.

What the Minutemen fail to see is that, culturally speaking, the U.S. Southwest has always belonged to the cultural descendents of Anáhua. Neither the Indian Wars or the Mexican-American War has ended Indigenous culture in the U.S. southwest. John Wayne and the veneer of Europeanism aside, the southwest has always been, in its heart, a land that was other than European, just as jazz will always be Afrikan and sushi is Japanese in spite of the restaurant's ambiance. The problem is not Mexican or Native reconquista; it is the European-Americans inability to ever fully conquer another civilization.

This land was Mexican once,
was Indian always
and is,
And will be again.

SOSers' outrage at a small inscription on a public artwork in a suburban community is because it tells a truth: white Americans have never finally imposed their civilization on others. White racism is the manifestation of that failure. Racist comments have flown from both sides of the U.S. migration war, but only the Minutemen will be unsatisfied until "foreign" culture is eradicated on "their" land and across the globe. Neither Mexicans nor Italians nor Irish nor Chinese nor Ugandans nor Iraqis expect emigrating white Americans to assimilate, to adopt a foreign culture. White Americans alone take up arms and plant lawn chairs on the border because Chicanos and Mexicanos in the U.S. continue to honor la muerte.

And that is where the Minutemen are not confused. The undocumented migrants are the lifeblood of the Chicano movement--they keep the people here connected to their cultural roots. Without a porous and adjacent border, immigrant Germans, Italians, Irish, Jews, and Vietnamese had little opportunity to refresh their culture. Capitalism, the citizenship process, U.S. education, and imperialism effectively erode cultural connections, so that most rituals and symbols from other lands and cultures transplanted to the United States become little more than gestures, tributes to "we were that before we came here, before we became this", empty shells allowed because they no longer threaten white America. St. Patrick's Day parades in the United States no longer bring out the state militia and no longer have religious import. That is what assimilation to white America means. That is why Save Our State has called for the National Guard to protect them at their next Baldwin Park demonstration.

But the Minutemen and their offshoots are front groups for white supremacy, and as such they must cater to a broader white sentiment that can not yet consciously stomach their real intentions. So only in their unguarded moments and from those not sufficiently coached in the public line will you hear that the real goal of the Minutemen, the annihilation of cultural Anáhua.

The undocumented Mexican migrants, traveling back and forth along trade routes a thousand years old, bring language and colors and art and religion and music and economics and news and familia and law and huehuetlahtolli from south of the border into the United States, and none of these cultural ideas are white. That is why the Minutemen find migrants so heinous, why they are the target for the Minuteman Project.

There is a direct line from Mexican migration, to Mexica/Indigenous culture in the U.S. southwest, to a collapse of white supremacy in the U.S., to the failure of white American cultural global domination. And there goes the white supremacists' "superiority" and their fragile white cultural esteem so dependent on conquest and exploitation. For public consumption, the issue begins and ends with migration, but, putting the public hype aside, that holds little inherent danger without the causality the anti-immigrant agitators foresee leading to the end of white domination.

To the critical observer, Minutemen and like groups are almost humorous in their apparent confusion between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants, when they showcase the occasional Hispanic in their ranks, in their stand alongside white supremacist groups while denying their own racism. But that confusion only emerges when their private fears pop through their public rhetoric. In justifying their anti-immigration position, Minutemen and their ilk sometimes get caught in a corner and expose their real agenda.

That agenda is racist at its core, not an occasional negative statement about people who do not behave white enough, but racism as the first fruit of cultural genocide. This is the white supremacist meaning of assimilation, the Minutemen code word for "good" immigration policy and "good" immigrants. The public face only addresses Mexican illegal immigration, those people who keep the other culture living. But the Minutemen laugh in glee when the police step aside so they can run over Chicano protestors with impunity and charge it a felony to protest against racists.

The Minutemen feed the public transparently fraudulent worries about unemployment, economic collapse, pestilence, graffiti, hoards of southern invaders, and "uncivilized" Mexican "savages" because they can not yet expose their agenda. They front to the media and gather signatures for politicians premised on tissue-thin deceits, because they cannot say what they truly want. And they scream if you call them racists, proclaiming their own innocence and the guilt of everyone else. Because if they are publicly identified as racists, the rest of white America, their future legions of foot soldiers in the war for white supremacy, will scurry to neutrality in confusion or fear. A few hundred or a thousand "proud" white supremacists will be left to face the millions of Black, Brown, Asian, and Arab peoples who claim the right to their own cultures and refuse to jump in the American melting pot that inevitably comes up white.

Those who oppose the Minutemen agenda intuit, if they can't pinpoint, the truth: that ending "illegal" immigration is a stage in cultural genocide (and physical genocide if need be, alluded to in pictures and offhand comments on gun rights), the latest battle in a war that, if the Minutemen have their way, will end with the assimilation, deportation, or death of all those who do not submit to Halliburton, Disneyland, McDonalds, and the superiority of the White Way, whether they be of Mexican, Indigenous, Afrikan, Asian, or Arab descent.

Or white. White people who refuse to join their ranks are not immune from the wrath of the white supremacists, but they will most likely be the last targets, when no one else is left to speak out.

Peoples of other cultures and other lands can defeat the white supremacists in battle after battle, but the end of white supremacy will be hastened by the refusal of white people to join the race war the supremacists foment and then declare inevitable. More than that: the lie of white superiority is revealed when white people expose it to other white people, when white people call out "Racist!", knowing they are indicting themselves while they shout down the white supremacists, because then the supremacists' race war is not inevitable. It is merely the concoction of those white people who must structure the world around racial victory to validate their own existence, to validate white American dominance. No matter how much we, as white people, participate in the system that perpetuates our security at the cost of our salvation, we can turn our weapons and scream at the wardens who insist we be the jailors and torturers of others.

Yes, that's an uncomfortable position, seemingly more so to white people unused to being spat upon and worse. But it's also a start to white liberation from whiteness, from the nagging discomfort of our advantage at the cost of genociding others, from the contradiction of opposing international white American global conquest and domination while living in its soothing shadow. To stand aside is to tacitly decide that racism at home is someone else's problem, and to deny that it is we who benefit.

A harsh verdict, maybe. Ask a Chicana or Mexicano at Baldwin Park.

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La Raza...

by John Riley Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 6:12 PM

They may mean the "National Council for La Raza" but the sign simply says "La Raza" with a line through it. Not everyone is aware of the SOS/anti-immigrant obsession with the National Council for La Raza and the simple sign betrays the SOS members obvious lack of sophistication.

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Actually, that was a pretty good account

by littlebopeep Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 6:17 PM

There were a few errors that I tried to explain above, but other that that, it was pretty accurate! Since I was there, I think I can say that....can't I?

Btw, its not about provoking the counters really, its about educating them ! I think some of them need it since they get fed so much falsehood and propaganda in the Universities these days.
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European Blood

by European Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 7:58 PM

First of all ... to be European, you have to be fully European ... not 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 or anything below. So you are incorrect.
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Lies, Lies, Lies

by The Truth Hurts Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 8:28 PM

Amazing how you fail to show any wide shots of the Stormfront Patriots who clowned you all at the protest. The numbers were not even close, that was our first rally against you fools, and we outnumbered you. Wait until next time. What did you all stand for anyway? It seemed as if you were a little confused.... You claim to want open borders, yet you fly a Mexican flag, so what do you want? Make up your mind? You want "one people" but you want pilgrims to go home?

The Stormfront close ups are great. Although you have your facts wrong in the headings.

Also, the rant on whom was here first is silly as well. If you really want to get down to brass tacks no one was here first, so I guess we should all go home. That argument makes no sense. The fact is that we are here now and we aren't going anywhere anytime soon and frankly we are tired of you idiots and your idealistic rhetoric.

As for SOS and Stormfront being one and the same, think again. We support completely different ideologies, that is why we occupied different corners. Our commonality is that we both want to see illegal immigration halted.

Its funny that the communist was standing with the racists, accusing the only fully non-racist group (SOS) of being racist while the White Nationalists were having a grand old time interacting with the public.

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Stormfront?

by Sam Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 8:52 PM

local activists and the SOS have a history together... nobody even knows or cares about "the Stormfront Patriots"
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Hey, WN vangaurd dude...

by littlebopeep Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 8:58 PM


Evil SOS guy here....listen , we agree on the border of course, and I agree with much of your last post here...but we really feel you disrespected us out there by passing out your stuff. Hey, hold your own rally and do that! NO problemo , amigo! But , to take what we planned for 2 months and use it for your recruiting efforts was a dis to say the least. Very inconsiderate. Have a litle respect! That is the main reason we went to a different corner, becuzz you just could not be there as American's, you had to bring up the white sep stuff, and we had to try and do daming control.

The up shot is that even indy media got it right for the most part...except the part about " look what SOS draws...". It was the common thread of the closing the borders that we share that had us out there at the same time....

Or , at least that is what we were hoping for...
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No Such Thing as a "Mestizo"

by Chicomozteca Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:04 PM

The data do not substantiate the myth of the "Spanish / Indian."

The Xican@ People are an indigenous People.

On page 425, in the footnotes of “Acts of Rebellion: The Ward Churchill Reader,” the author says:

“In the US, to take what is probably the most pronounced example, reactionary ideologues have always advanced the thesis that American society comprises a racial/ cultural "melting pot" which has produced a wholly new people while enforcing racial codes that imply the exact opposite.”

“Their opposition on the other hand has consistently offered the same spurious argument. Radical Chicanos, for instance, habitually assert that they represent “La Raza,” a culturally mixed “new race developed in Mexico and composed of “equal parts Spanish and Indio blood.” Setting aside the question of what, exactly, a “Spaniard” might be in genetic terms – the contention is at best absurd.”

“During the three centuries following the conquest of Mexico, approximately 200,00 immigrants arrived there from Iberia. Of these, about one third were Moors, and another third were Jewish “conversos” (both groups were being systematically exported from Spain at the time, as an expedient to ridding Iberia of “racial contaminants.”)

“This left fewer than 70,000 actual “Spaniards,” by whatever biological definition, to be balanced against nearly 140,000 “other” immigrants and some thirty million Indians native to Mexico. Moreover, the settlers brought with them an estimated 250,000 black chattel slaves, virtually all of whom eventually intermarried.”

“Now, how all this computes to leaving a “half-Spanish, half-Indio” Chicano population as an aftermath is anybody’s guess. Objectively the genetic heritage of La Raza is far more African – black and Moorish – than European, and at least as much Jewish (Semitic) as Spanish.”

Churchill, known, like Chomsky, for his exhaustive citations, cites two works on these points to substantiate his footnote. Peter Boyd-Bowman, “Patterns of Spanish Immigration to the New World 1493 – 1580” and Magnus Morner, “Race Mixture in the History of Latin America.”

Now, I think there is some exaggeration in Churchill’s assessment. He doesn’t take into account the radical impact of the Spanish genocide on indigenous population figures when he cites the Indian population of Mexico at 30 million. In the course of the first century of the conquest the population was reduced by 90%, and the more conservative population figures put the original number of people at about 20 million rather than 30 million. Most of the research I’ve seen agrees to the 90% reduction / genocide rate, no matter the starting figure.

But even with the most conservative possible estimates of Mexico’s indigenous population during the Spanish colonial period, there can be no such thing as a half Spanish / half Mexican population.

Let’s use the debatable proposition that the Jewish immigrants were “white” and not Arabic or African Jews. Then there would have been about 140,000 “white” immigrants alongside 320,000 Africans and about 2 million Mexicans ( the most conservative figure for the natives.) That gives us 2,460,000 people.

For there to be a “half Spanish / half Indian” population there would have to have been
1, 230,000 “whites.”

But the “ white” population, including the Jewish population, was only about 1/8 the size that would have been required for a “half Spanish / half Indian” to exist. That’s if we count the Jewish population as “white.” If we don’t, then the Spanish population was about 1/16 of what would have been required to make up a “half Spanish / half Indian” population. Seems there were about 32 indigenous people for every “pure” Spaniard.

I’ve seen other sources, that, unfortunately I can’t cite, that indicate that the average Mexican today is about 80% “Indian “”Blood”” – same as the average indigenous person in the US.

In other words, littleboasswipe doesn't have a clue about what a Mexican is, and is substituting folk ignorance for knowledge.

“Mexican” is a nationality and a commitment to a culture and a cultural heritage – not a race.

And Mexico’s culture is deeply and fundamentally Indigenous with only an overlay of what the famous Mexican anthropologist Guillermo Bonfil Batalla calls an “Imaginary Mexico” – a European overlay on the fundamental fabric of the culture (See Bonfil Batalla’s “Mexico Profundo”)

Ethnicity is a matter of culture, consciousness and commitment, not genetics.

We don’t refuse to acknowledge our oppressor ancestors. To the contrary. There is nothing about their legacy we can’t deal with.

We acknowledge that legacy for exactly what it is – oppressive – and reject it based on our acknowledgement of what it is and based on its direct and personal impact in the historical nexus that established the trajectory of our Peoples lives.






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If you cross the "O" out of SOS you get "SS"

by Chicomozteca Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:11 PM

A Nazi by any other name...
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Looking for Chicomozteca

by johnk Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:23 PM

Someone wishes to use one of your texts. Contact raskache at yahoo dot com.
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Mestizo

by johnk Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:40 PM

I thought the whole "mestizo" campaign in Mexico was a ploy to keep the Indians from revolting against the ruling class.
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The Mestizo Concept: A Product of European Imperialism By Jack Forbes

by Chicomozteca Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:46 PM

Forbes is a Native American scholar...

http://www.mexika.org/index.htm


The Mestizo Concept: A Product of European Imperialism
By Jack Forbes

The Mestizo Concept

The terms mestizo and metis (as well as such comparable words as half-caste, half-breed, ladino, cholo, coyote, and so on) have been and are now frequently used in Anishinabe-waki (the Americas) to refer to large numbers of people who are either of mixed European and Anishinabe (Native American) racial background or who poses a so-called mixed culture.

In Canada, people of mixed European and Anishinabe background are ordinarily referred to as metis, that is, “mixed.” In the United States, terms such as half-breed, half-blood and quarter-blood are most commonly used but, mustee (derived from mestizo) and even mulatto have been used in the South. From Mexico through Argentina mestizo (“mixed”) is the standard term, but cholo, ladino, coyote, and other words are also commonly used. In Brazil, caboclo, mameluco and a variety of other terms are used, along with mestizo. The concept of mestizo has also been introduced into the United States scholarly literature and is becoming accepted among anthropologists and sociologists as a technical term replacing half-breed and similar words.

For the purposes of this article the word mestizo will be used as the equivalent of all such words. It should be kept in mind that there are several distinct ways in which the term mestizo is used:

(1) As a simple description- a person, or a group, who possesses a recent mixed background;

(2) As a kind permanent ethnic or caste categorization- a person, or a group, who is not only of mixed background but whose ethnic nature, or social status, is also mixed;

(3) As a strictly biological concept, referring only to mixture through sexual reproduction;

(4) As a cultural concept, referring to a mixture of customs, ways of behaving, and so on.

The first usage does not concern us here to any great extent, but the other three are of critical importance to the current status of native peoples in Anishinabe-waki.

Mestizo Peoples Who Are Not Mestizo

Today, virtually all of the peoples who are categorized as half-caste or mestizo live in zones where European imperialism has been active during the past several centuries (the South Pacific, the Philippines, Hong Kong, Macao, Vietnam, India, Singapore, South Africa, and throughout Anishinabewaki).

Peoples categorized as “half-caste” or “mestizo” tend to have several characteristics in common: they reside in areas subjected to recent European colonialism and imperialism; they seldom possess the power or resources to determine their own destiny (either political or intellectual-psychological); their existence is usually a direct byproduct of European imperialism and colonial policy; and they are primarily people with both European and non-European ancestry, almost never with mixed European national backgrounds.

To place this discussion in proper perspective, let us contrast the situations in Mexico and Spain. North American social scientists and intellectuals and the ruling elite of Mexico commonly seem to agree that Mexico is a mestizo nation, that not only are most of its people racially mixed but that its dominant culture is also mestizo. North American Anglo-Saxon scholars, in particular, delight in using the mestizo and Indo-Hispano concept when discussing Mexico and Chicanos (persons of Mexican background in the United States). It is very clear that Anglo scholars (and the Mexicans and Chicanos influenced by them) regard the very essence of the Mexican-Chicano people as mestizo (except for the perhaps ten percent of the Mexican people who are regarded as indio).

Now, is this mestization of the Mexican-Chicano people a concrete social reality or is it primarily the Europeans’ imposition of alien descriptive categories upon the Mexican-Chicano masses? Let us look at the situation of Spain and Mexico with this question in mind. Spain is, clearly, far more of a mestizo nation (if that term is ever properly to be used) than is Mexico.

(1) The Spanish people speak a totally borrowed language, a dialect or branch of Italo-Latin mixed with many thousands of Arabic words. Very few words of the indigenous Hispano-Iberic language remain in use.

(2) The culture of Spain is a complex mixture of Latin-Italic, North African, Middle Eastern, Greek, Gitano (Gypsy), and other characteristics, with very few indigenous (pre-Roman) traits remaining, except among the Basques and Gallegos.

(3) Racially, the modern Spaniard probably carries relatively few indigenous genes, the latter having been greatly overwhelmed by Carthaginian, Celtic, Latin-Roman, Germanic, Arab, Moorish, Berber, Jewish, black African, and Gitano intermixture.

In both a racial and culture sense, then, the Spaniard is profoundly a mestizo. In fact, it is safe to say that (except among the Basques) the Spanish culture of modern times is almost wholly non-Spanish in origin (in terms, at least, of specific traits) and is thoroughly mixed. Surprisingly, however, one never finds Anglo-Saxon social scientists categorizing the Spaniards as a mestizo. One never finds scholars describing a Spanish subgroup as part Gitano or as a North African physical type. One never finds social scientists attempting to dissect the Spanish people and then to tell them who they are!

Why is this so? We know that during the fifteenth century, for example, there were many subgroups (such as maranos, mozarabes, moriscos, and so on) among the population. We know also that even today regional variations can probably be identified in Spain. Why is the Castillian-speaking Spaniard allowed to have dignity and security of being simply a Spaniard, of possessing an ethnic identity, a nationality, while the Mexican and the Chicano are even now dissected and categorized, first, as mestizos and only second as Mexicans or Chicanos?

Indisputably the Spaniard is a mestizo in the sense that he is mixed and has a mixed culture. But he is never categorized as a mestizo, but always as a Spaniard (or an Andalucian, Malagueno, Catalan, and soon), because since 1491 the Castellano-Spaniard has not been subjected to political and intellectual colonization.

The Spanish people have been free to develop themselves without having any alien government officials classifying individuals as one-quarter Gitano, one-eighth Jewish, one-half Arab, and so on. They have not had foreign scholars investigating them (trying to “understand” them) and then developing conceptualization which dominate the thinking of even native intellectuals. In short, the Spaniard has been free to define his own nationality and categories of existence.

It is true, of course, that Spain possesses minority ethnic groups, but neither the minorities nor the majority are classified as mestizo even though all are of mixed origin. It is also true that the Christian Spanish hierarchy did, for a time, keep records of converted Jews and Muslims and their descendants, but this was not to permanently categorize people, but instead to root out any secret Jewish or Islamic religious practices. The records concerned religion rather than race (in fact, many Hispanic Jews and especially Muslims were Christian Spanish, not North African, descent).

The same kind of analysis can be made about England, Scotland, Russia, and a number of other nations. The English are clearly mestizos- a mixture of Celtic (and pre-Celtic), Angle, Saxon, Danish, Norman-French, Flemish, and other descent. Likewise, English cultures highly mixed (for example, half of the words in these-called English language are of Latin origin, the English practice a “foreign” religion- Christianity-and the great bulk of contemporary English characteristics are of foreign origin- including even tea drinking!) It is safe to say that the modern Englishman has very little in common with the Britons and pre-Roman times or even with the Anglo-Saxons before Christianity.

The Scots are, of course, a mixture of Pictish, Gaelic (Scottish), Norse, Norman-French, Flemish, English (Anglic), Saxon, and other stocks. Culturally, little remains (except for a few place names) from the indigenous Picts. Even the culture of the invading Scots (coming from Ireland) had been eroded to such an extent that the Scottish language is spoken only in a few remote regions and is officially ignored by the government. Except for some “colorful” Highland characteristics here is little left of purely Celtic origin, although many Celtic, Germanic, and Latin traits have mixed together to produce modern Scottish culture.

The Russians continue to speak their native Slavic language, but their culture is extremely mixed (showing Greek, Turkish, Mongol, and German influences). Racially the Russians have absorbed large quantities of Finish, Kahzar, Turkic, Mongol, Greek and other alien ancestry.

Interestingly, the English, Scots, and Russians (like the Spanish) are never categorized as mestizos. Seldom does one ever ask a Scotsman if he is part Norman-French, nor indeed, does anyone ever ask a Scotsman if he has even a drop of Celtic (Pictish-Scottish) blood. Such questions are seemingly only asked of knocked-down, conquered, colonized, and powerless peoples.

The same kind of analysis can be made of almost all major ethnic groups- Chinese, Japanese, East Indians, Arabs, Turks, and so on. Almost all such peoples possess a mixed racial heritage and a mixed culture. But they are not mestizos (even when their ancient “race” and culture have been almost totally erased or altered). Furthermore modern Mexican and Chicano people possess far greater connection with their ancient Mexican past than many European groups do with their respective past.

For example:

(1) The Mexicans and Chicanos of today are perhaps eighty percent native Anishinabe descent, while only twenty percent of their ancestry is of European-North African, African, and Asian descent. In contrast, it is likely that Spaniards possess relatively little pre-Roman ancestry (native Iberian), certainly less than eighty percent.

(2) The Mexican and Chicano peoples’ modern language, Spanish, possesses several thousand native Mexican words, while the Spanish is wholly non-Iberian in origin.

(3) The native religions of Spain have almost, if not completely, disappeared. In Mexico, however, the native religion has survived in many regions and has modified Christianity. Furthermore, Christianity is as foreign to Spain as it is to Mexico.

(4) The modern culture of Spain is almost entirely non-Iberian in origin. In contrast, the culture of Mexico, even among Spanish-speaking people, is, to a significant degree, of native Mexican origin.

In short, the Mexicans and Chicanos possess far greater continuity with their native past than do the Spaniards, and yet the Spanish are categorized as “unified” people (in spite of great regional variations), while the Mexicans and Chicanos must perpetually carry the burden of genuflecting before the idol of mestisaje.

Ethnicity and Integration

Many social scientists have written about Mexican villages as mestizo villages and Indian villages. In point of fact there is often no racial difference existing between such villages, but even if there were, I would challenge the idea that there are mestizo villages in Mexico.

It is true, of course, that one can find many pueblos in Mexico where the culture of the people can be traced to Spain, North Africa, and the Middle East, as well as to Native Mexico. But this historical fact of mixture does not in and itself produce a mestizo village.

If we were to visit such a pueblo, we would find that the people possess an integrated culture perceived as being their very own. They have no conscious concept of being “mixed,” but instead have a sense of unity and wholeness. To categorize them as living in a mestizo village is as nonsensical as it would be to say that Davis, California, is a mestizo town because of the people’s diverse ethnic origins and historically mixed culture.

Most people possess a mixed culture and mixed ethnic background. To say, therefore, that a village is mixed when it is an integrated community, is either to lie or to add nothing new to our knowledge of that village.

It is true that there are cities, villages, and even entire regions where peoples of different ethnic loyalties and cultures are living in close juxtaposition (as the Greeks and Turks in Istanbul). Such a place can be regarded as being multiethnic or biethnic, but it is not truly mixed precisely because the different ethnic groups are separate, although geographically intermingled.

Mestizo and such comparable terms imply outcast (i.e., belonging to no ethnic group or casta). People who possess a national or ethnic identity, no matter how much they have mixed historically with other peoples, can never be mestizo.

A people who possess an integrated culture, especially a gradually changing, relatively stable one, are also not mestizo culturally. Since all known cultures are of diverse, mixed origin, it follows that the Mexican culture of today is precisely that, i.e., Mexican culture and not a mestizo culture. Change, with borrowing, no matter how much, does not by itself produce a mestizo culture.

The Bulgarian people, for example, have shifted their homeland, changed their language, changed their religion, changed their physical appearance (through interethnic marriage), and changed almost their total culture, but the Bulgarians are not mestizos, they are not outcasts, they are not a new nation, they are simply Bulgarians.

Why? Because as a people, as a collection of related village-groups together forming a nationality, they have a historical bond of continuity with their past. The ethnic continuity implied by Bulgarian-ness and the gradual nature of change have ensured that the Bulgarians are not mestizos (although the Turks, and other former rulers, tried to erase that continuity).

The Mestizo as Outcast

Historically speaking, Europeans have often used such terms as mestizo, half-breed, half-caste, and so on, to refer to no-caste, out-caste, or groupless individuals- that is, to a person of mixed race having no clear ethnic affiliation.

A mestizo without a nationality or ethnic group to belong to is indeed an outcast. There is no doubt but what there are individuals or mixed race in Anishinabe-waki who are loners, without ethnic affiliation. But such individuals are relatively few in numbers in comparison with the broad masses of mixed-bloods who commonly possessed a group, an ethnic affiliation, or a community. For example, the mixed Cherokees of the nineteenth century were, for the greater part, Cherokee-speaking people who were citizens of, and emotionally a part of, the Cherokee Nation. In no sense could most racially mixed Cherokees be regarded as outcasts. Neither could they be regarded as mestizos, except in a purely descriptive sense.

In most regions of Anishinabe-waki there has been a gradual, imperceptible transition of a village (or tribe) from being composed of people of purely indigenous descent to being composed of people of mixed racial descent. In many cases the group has experienced no sharp change in ethnic identity. Thus, many North American Anishinabe groups have changed from being racially Indian to being racially mixed. However, they have retained their identity as Cherokees, Powhatans, Mohawks, and so on. Similarly, many Mexican, Central American, and South American villages have gradually acquired European or African admixture without any sharp transition, although in some instances the people have come to regard themselves as no longer being indios, because the government (and racist custom) regards the term indio as a derogatory one.

An example of the latter trend is the gradual “disappearance” of the Opata people of eastern Sonora. It is quite clear from the historical evidence that the Opatas imperceptibly changed as a result of missionization, serving in the Spanish army (against the Apaches), fighting in the many post-1821 civil wars and rebellion in Sonora, and perhaps to a lesser degree, intermarrying with Spanish-speaking Mexicans. In 1821 most Opata towns were still “Indian,” although undoubtedly many residents were bilingual in Opata and Spanish, and virtually all were Catholics. By about1900 the grandparents were still speaking Opata, but their grandchildren had shifted largely to Spanish and wanted to be thought of as Mexicans. The Opata towns had, in effect, ceased being Opata and had become simply Mexican (or mestizo, as the Anglo-Saxon researcher and Mexican census-taker might assert). In this area, as in many others throughout Anishinabe-waki, the change from tribal loyalty to a new national loyalty was not primarily a biological-racial change but simply a gradual, imperceptible change in self-definition by others.

Thus, we see that some native nationalities have become racially mixed while retaining their old identity, while other native nationalities have been absorbed into a larger nationality without significant race mixture. In neither case, however, did the bulk of the people become no-caste or out-caste or half-caste in the process. Whether changing because of acculturation, race mixture, or both, they always have retained a community, an identity, and a sense of peoplehood. It is interesting, of course, to study such persons as Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca, the Inca-Spanish mestizo who was torn between native and Iberian loyalties, but it seems very unlikely that most persons of native descent in Anishinabe-waki ever went through such a process. And it is very unlikely that such a split identity, when it occurred, extended far beyond the first generation.

The mestizo as outcast is simply not a significant reality in Anishinabe-waki. Instead of inventing collections of no-caste individuals, we should concentrate our attention upon the history of real “peoples”- tribes, villages, bands, towns, regions, and nations.

The Mestizo Concept and the Strategy of Colonialism

One of the fundamental principles of the European invaders, and especially of the Spaniards, was to follow the policy of divide and conquer, or keep divided and control. This policy pitted native against native, and tribe against tribe, until Spanish control was established. Later this same policy prevented a common front of oppressed people from developing, by creating tensions and jealousies between the different sectors of the population.

The Spaniards were shrewd colonialists. They gave minor privileges (uniforms, batons of office, and the right to collect tribute) to caciques (chiefs), in order that the native leadership would prevent their people from rebelling. They also gave privileges (of a minor nature) to each different caste (indios living in villages sometimes were exempt from certain taxes, while mestizos, mulattos, and others were able to obtain minor positions in the army, move about freely, except in Indian villages and so on). People with some degree of European ancestry were ordinarily able to wear European-style clothing and obtain concessions not available to most Anishinabe (Indians).
A racist system was created by the Spaniards which favored light skin and European descent. Natives were regarded as inferior or childlike beings, and almost all who were ambitious sought to deny nonwhite ancestry or at least to be as white as possible.

This system, which saw each minor caste or class trying to curry favor from above at the expense of those below, served very well to keep the masses divided and distrustful of each other. It also resulted in many people of predominantly native descent pretending to be either mestizo or criollo (white or near-white) in order to be considered “una persona de razon” (a rational person). To the Spaniards, the native generally was not “de razon,” but mixed-bloods could be!

The concepts of mestizo, coyote, lobo, cholo, pardo, color quebrado, and many others, were invented by the Spaniards, and Spanish policy kept these categories alive throughout the colonial epoch. Were those concepts of any real objective value, apart from being useful to the ruling class? It is extremely doubtful if the differences between a coyote (three-quarters Anishinabe), a mestizo (one-half Anishinabe), a lobo (Anishinabe-African), a pardo (Anishinabe-African-European), and so on were at all significant except in so far as the Spanish rulers sought to make them significant. It is true that there may have been cultural differences between natives and mixed-bloods speaking a native language and living in a native village, on the one hand, and Spanish-speaking person (of whatever ancestry) on the other hand. But those differences relate to political loyalty and culture and not directly to mestisaje as such.

The colonial documents mention several cases where mestizos, mulattos, and so on, took part in Indian rebellions on the native side. The documents (padrones or censuses in particular) also reveal that some Spanish soldiers of lower rank were “indios,” at least when first recruited. Therefore, it is clear that the differences between indio and mestizo were not necessarily even of political significance.

On the other hand, if there were cultural differences and antagonisms existing between mestizos and indios, whose fault was it? Who created the conditions of exploitation which caused Anishinabeg to rebel? Who created a system wherein one could rise upward only by repudiating one’s native blood and exploiting native people?
In short, the Spaniards created the system that created castes that were different one from another. They also created such rankings to accomplish their selfish purposes.

Let us dwell on this point for a moment by contrasting the development of Aberdeen, Scotland, with Santa Fe, New Mexico. The people of Aberdeen have a mixed origin, being of Scottish (Gaelic-speaking), Scandinavian, Norman-French, Flemish, and Anglo-Saxon descent. But this fact of biological mixture is of little ultimate significance in the history of Aberdeen. Of much greater importance is the fact that Aberdeen became a Broad Scotch and English language enclave in what have been a Gaelic-speaking region and that Aberdeen was a royal burg, a town loyal to the Scottish crown rather than to any Highland clan (tribal) chief. Of greater significance, also in the history of Aberdeen is the fact of socioeconomic and religious tensions within the city, totally unrelated (it would seem) to ethnic origins. In sum, whether an Aberdonian is one-fourth Gaelic of one-half Scandinavian or all Anglo-Saxon is of only passing interest. Loyalties to Aberdeen, to religion, to economic classes, to Scotland, are all of infinitely greater significance. Finally, all native-born Aberdonians are, and have been considered Scots, whether of Scottish or non-Scottish descent.

Similarly, Santa Fe was a Spanish royal settlement established in the far north of the Spanish Empire (Aberdeen was established to control and civilize the unruly Gaelic Scots, as Santa Fe was created to control and civilize the unruly Anishinabeg). The bulk of the initial settlers of Santa Fe, who lived in the barrio of Analco, were Mexicans, that is, Aztec-speaking people of Anishinabe blood. As time went by, the people became mixed, with Spanish, Anglo-Saxon, African, Pueblo Indian, Apache, Navajo, Plains Indian, and Paiute ancestry being absorbed into the community. Likewise, the Mexican language was gradually replaced by Spanish, religion changed, and so on. Whether or not a person of Santa Fe, by say1848, was all-native, three-quarters native, one-half native or one-eighth native is utterly without intrinsic significance. What is important is whether he was rich or poor, ruler or ruled, Catholic or fold religion, Spanish-speaking or native-speaking, and soon.

Ah, but there is a difference between Aberdeen and Santa Fe. In Santa Fe, the racist colonialist, strategy of the Spaniard and implanted the notion of nonwhite inferiority. Therefore, whether one was dark or light or classed as mestizo, blanco, o’indio did make a difference! The difference is not, however, due to the intrinsic significance of mestisaje but only to a racist-colonialist stratification based upon racial descent.

The French pursued a policy somewhat different from that of the Spanish, (except in Louisiana where part-blacks were classified as quadroons, octoroons, and so forth). The French were never able to recruit many settlers to come to Anishinabe-waki, so the interests of the empire (and of the fur trade) demanded that the Metis, the mixed-blood, be incorporated into the French system wherever possible. It appears that prior to 1763 no distinct class of mixed-bloods developed, since the Metis was absorbed into French Canadian society (albeit initially as a fur trader, canoe man, or trapper) or into a particular native group. It seems highly likely that most French-Canadians have some degree of native descent, while many Anishinabeg in the northern United States and Canada are part-French.

During the nineteenth century, however, along the banks of the Red River, Lake Winnipeg, and the Saskatchewan River, there developed a group who came to be known as Metis, and most of their descendants (now spread all over western Canada) are still known by that term. These people, sometimes called Red River Metis fought against the Canadian government on several occasions between 1860 and 1890, in alliance with Cree, Assiniboin, and Chippewa groups.

Who are these Metis? Initially some were French-native hybrids, some were Scottish-native hybrids, and a few were English-native hybrids. Generally speaking, they were closely connected with Cree and other Anishinabeg both in terms of annual migrations, alliances, marriages, and language. (Modern studies have shown that a large majority of Metis people speak Cree in their homes, at least in certain provinces.) The culture of the Metis was (and often still is) basically of a native character modified by European influence. (For example, they observed an annual buffalo-hunting migration cycle similar to that of the Cree and Assiniboin, with whom they frequently lived).

My tentative analysis is as follows: The so-called Metis were nothing more nor less than a partially Europeanized sector of the Cree-Chippewa-Assiniboin confederation (or alliance system). (It may well be that having a European father or grandfather was of crucial importance in becoming Europeanized, but that is not at all surprising [intermarriage is often a key element in an acculturation process].)
If left alone, the so-called Metis would have been to the Cree people what the mixed-bloods were to the Cherokee Nation: an influential subgroup within the overall nationality. To some degree this undoubtedly occurred in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta, since the line between Indian and Metis even today is ethnically obscure in many areas.

The Anishinabeg of the Canadian prairies were not left alone, however. British imperialism (in particular, the Hudson Bay Company) attempted to distinguish between Metis and Indian. The Metis, being somewhat more European in orientation and usually bilingual, were favored over Indians for certain purposes, but were never recognized as being the equal of whites. Later the British and white Canadians recognized “Indian tribal” land rights and rights to special federal services but denied these to Metis. In point of fact, however, may people whom the Canadian government chose to regard as Metis were distinguishable from Indians. They simply were left out of treaty negotiations, were ignored, or were too mobile to live on a reserve.

Are the Metis truly mestizo, or is their present status a result of current British-Canadian policy? Some Metis call themselves non-status Indians, and perhaps that is a good description of some of them. Perhaps overall they represent simply an Europeanized, partly landless sector of the native population, confused about their identity by years of being denied Indian status. Or perhaps some of them are a distinct people for whom the name Metis does not mean mestizo but has become an ethnic (national) appellation.

In any case, the Red River Metis did not, and do not, exist as a no-caste collection of half-breeds. They seem to have always lived in communities or groups they considered home. Whenever they are to be known as Anishinabe is a matter for them to decide and not the Canadian government.

The United States and the Atlantic seaboard British colonies approached the Spanish system of caste categorization (mulattos, half-breeds, quarter-bloods, eight-bloods, mustees, high yellows, quadroons, sixteenth-bloods, and so on), but extreme racism somewhat altered the nature of colonialist policy.

Generally, the lighter the skin color the more acceptable a person was in colonial Atlantic seaboard society. Elaborate government records were not kept, but it would appear that visual inspection and local white opinion was utilized to determine whether or not a person was sufficiently white to vote, bear arms, hold office, or marry a white person (the laws varied from area to area, requiring anywhere from one-half to seven-eighths white blood to qualify as a white).
The Anglo-Americans very definitely adopted a system of giving different rewards to different castes and keeping nonwhite groups at odds with each other whenever possible. This was especially true in keeping Indians, free coloreds, and blacks (mostly slaves) from associating with each other (the fear of combined Indian-slave rebellions or raids was great in certain regions). After being militarily subdued, Indians generally became except from being enslaved (although many were enslaved before ca. 1750). They also were sometimes able to preserve a small tract of land in return for paying tribute. Free coloreds (mixed-bloods of all shades and free blacks) were able to move about more than tributary Indians and sometimes were able to vote and bear arms in the militia. Light-skinned mixed-bloods, who were able to prove they met the admission standards, could become white.

This system did several things:

(1) it forced many mixed-bloods to identify as tributary Indians in order to live on a reservation and be safe from the possibility of enslavement;

(2) it forced all visibly nonwhite people, no matter what the degree of blood, to become a part of a free-colored caste if they wished to live away from an Indian reservation;

(3) it accentuated notions of white supremacy and encouraged people to try to be as white as possible (except for those who chose to be a tributary Indian and even the latter were affected psychologically); and

(4) it made people caste conscious and encouraged disunity among the oppressed nonwhites.

It may well be that many of the free colored were initially mestizos, that is, in between, no-caste people. Soon, however, the free colored began together (frequently clustering together with a remnant Indian group), and they developed a community of their own. The nature of this community is, however, too complicated a subject for us to pursue here.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs (the United States’ colonial office for Indians) at a later date became (and still is) the government’s most ancestry-oriented agency. The bureau keeps records on ever Indian, recording the supposed exact degree of blood in detailed manner undreamed of even by the Spaniards. Furthermore, the bureau also decides who is an Indian and who is not an Indian and which Indians are eligible for Indian services.

One can well ask if there is any significant reason for keeping records of five-eighths Indians, one-quarter Indians, one-tenth Indians, “full-bloods,” “half-bloods” and so on. What purpose does it serve? The categorization of Anishinabeg by degree of blood serves to transform the Anishinabe people from a group of nationalities into a series of castes.

The overall objective of United States native policy has been to liquidate the Anishinabe people entirely (a subject discussed below). One step in liquidation is to prevent Indians from assimilating (absorbing) outsiders and even to prevent them from retaining the loyalty of their own racially mixed children or grandchildren. A second step is to get the people of native descent to think of themselves as full-bloods, quarter-bloods, and so on, to keep them from thinking of themselves as Comanches, Cherokees, or other tribal groups, and to introduce jealousy and disunity.

This attempt to divide the Anishinabe into subcastes and to make much of the degree of blood may be useful to the bureau, but it does not really reflect the truly significant divisions within the native community. For example, from the 1820s through the1860s the Cherokee people were at times divided into two major factions. One group was highly Indian in loyalty and was composed of full bloods, but it also included many mixed-bloods, and its official leader was John Ross (seven-eighths white, one-eighth Cherokee, by blood). The other group was oriented toward the slave-owning, plantation economy of the south and was composed primarily of mixed-bloods. However, its leaders included full-bloods such as Stand Watie.
The key difference between these two Cherokee groups was the degree to which they were oriented toward Anglo-American values. One was quite interested in Southern-style wealth acquisition while the other was more traditionally Cherokee in its values. Mixed-bloods and full-bloods were found in both groups. Therefore, we again see that being biologically mixes is less significant than other factors, such as ethnic loyalty and values.

White writers often make much of the fact that Sequoyah was part-white. But since Sequoyah was raised as conservative Cherokee, thinking and speaking in Cherokee rather than English, is his white blood of any actual significance? Clearly, Sequoyah was a complete Cherokee nationalist, and he died seeking out lost Cherokees in northern Mexico. Quite obviously he was not mestizo, confused or split in his ethnic-cultural loyalties. To the Bureau of Indian Affairs, however, he would be regarded as a half-blood or a half-Cherokee, whatever that means! The same can be said of such racially mixed native leaders as Cornplanter, Quanah Parker, and Alexander McGillivray.

No general class or caste of Anishinabe-white mestizos has actually developed in the United States for several reasons:

(1) most of the mixed groups who have lost their specific native identity (such as these-called Mestizos of South Carolina or the Lumbees of North Carolina) have developed a new identity of their own (the “Lumee” identity, for example, is a new invented identity- the name is a local pronunciation of “Lumbar River”);

(2) white racism has usually forced recognizable mixed-bloods to remain in the nonwhite community, where they originated, or at least to remain loyal to it;

(3) because native national(tribal) loyalties have remained strong.
It may be that there are Anishinabe-white-black mixed-bloods in the South and East who possess almost no group pride and who would choose to become white if they could. (Too dark to become white, many are being absorbed into the black population.) Such people perhaps come closest to the concept of being mestizo or out-caste.
The colonial policies of Spain, Britain, and the United States have invented the concept of mestizo and given reality to the concept through racist, caste-oriented policies that favor white persons over nonwhites while distinguishing grades of people within the nonwhite world. Isn’t time that this grading system is halted forever?
The Plan to Liquidate the Anishinabe Peoples

In Mexico an indio who puts on shoes, learns Spanish, and moves to a larger city becomes a non-Indian (he becomes mestizo or a Mexicano).

In Peru an Anishinabe woman who sets up a small shop becomes a chola. She is no longer an india.

In Guatemala a Cakchiquel who learns Spanish and moves to the city becomes a ladino. He is no longer indio.

In Peru, Bolivia, Mexico, and elsewhere, millions of people who were indios just a few years ago are now officially campesinos. Bolivia has no more Anishinabegs, only peasants.

In Brazil an Indian who takes up farming away from a tribal village becomes a caboclo or perhaps a mestizo or simply a Brazilian peasant.

In the United States an Indian whose reservation is terminated becomes officially a non-Indian.

In Canada an Indian whose group never signed a treaty or received a reservation is a metis.

In the United States many Chicanos of unmixed physical appearance are classified as whites with Spanish surnames.
In Mexico a man of complete Indian appearance who wears a suit, has a college education, and speaks Spanish has to be mestizo, since he could never be an indio.

Throughout the Americas a strange phenomena exists. Almost every country in the hemisphere is doing away with Indians, either by genocide (as in Brazil, Colombia, and Ecuador) or by legislation and custom. The computers of the minds who dominate Anishinabe-waki have decided that the Anishinabe is programmed to disappear, but, of course, this disappearance is completely imaginary and exists only in the minds of the European-oriented ruling class.

The plan to liquidate the native people originated with the Spanish, English, and Portuguese imperialists. It involved several components:

(1) killing Anishinabe in wars of conquest;

(2) forcibly destroying native identity and culture in programs of missionization of “civilizing”;

(3) transforming economically independent native into serfs, slaves, or urban proletariat and thereby making them part of the imperial economy;

(4) making native (indio) ways of life a bad thing and encouraging, via racism, everyone to try to become espanol, white, portuguesa or at least mestizo;

(5) discouraging the association of mixed-bloods with people still identified as Indian and developing jealousy and shame on the part of the various castes; and

(6) doing everything possible to be sure that all people, whether of European ancestry, mixed ancestry, or native ancestry, regard everything European as good (civilized) and everything Anishinabe as bad (uncivilized or, at best, rustic).

This European colonial policy, so vicious and one-sided, has had the effect of making it literally impossible, in most of Anishinabe-waki, for an Indian to be anything other than a rural peasant or inhabitant of some remote region. By definition, no Indian can be a professor, a doctor, an engineer, a statesman, or even an industrial worker, a sailor, a miner, a cowboy, or a truck driver. Since Indians are defined as rural peasants (or jungle dwellers), they cannot be a part of modern society. As soon as Indians become part of society they are given the “courtesy” of being regarded as cholos, ladinos, mestizos, caboclos, or Peruanos, Bolivianos, Brasilenos, Mexicanos, Chilenos, or Guatemaltecos, or campesinos, trabajadores, and so on. This is true to some degree even in the United States, where tourists and white children want to see “real” Indians in war bonnets and feathers and where anthropology has stereotyped Indian culture, such as the pre-white contact period.

European imperialists thinking has denied Anishinabeg the right to possess large (mass) nationalities. The anthropologists and colonialists generally have decided that Indians are tribal forever. Whereas other peoples have had the right to merge tribes together and form large nation-states, Anishinabe become something else whenever they leave their village.

For instance, the Paraguayans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, and El Salvadoreans, are not Indians. How could they be? They belong to nation-states! But why not? Have they magically changed their raced merely because of intertribal mixture and the absorption of a few aliens? Are the Germans no longer Germans because they merged different tribes, changed their religion, and social system? If Europeans can remain Europeans while going through processes of tremendous social change, Anishinabeg can remain Anishinabeg while doing the same thing (no matter what white social scientists want to tell us)!

Since 1492 the conscious European colonialists policy has been to transform Anishinabe into an urban or rural proletariat. To accomplish this, tribes and villages had to be destroyed or uprooted, millions had to be killed, ancient values had to be destroyed, and a whole new mass of landless, economically dependent people had to be created. In the United States this policy has determined much of the present circumstances of the urban Indian, the landless Chicano migrant, the urban Chicano worker, and of course, the landless black population. South of the Unite States the result of this policy has been the creation of the mestizo-ladino-cholo-caboclo population.

Basically and fundamentally, the so-called mestizos of Anishinabe-waki are nothing more nor less than proletarianized Anishinabe. They are simply the descendants of Indians forced off their land, forced to mix with divergent tribes and languages, forced to learn Spanish or Portuguese, forced to become Christians, and forced to become an impoverished mass of rural or urban wage laborers. Of course, in the process of being proletarianized, European, African, and even Asiatic genes have been absorbed. But the fact of race mixture is of no real significance-whether the proletarianized, detribalized mass is of pure Anishinabe or mixed descent is inconsequential. What real difference can be shown between the predominantly Indian, Spanish-speaking proletariat of Mexico and the somewhat more mixed proletariat of El Salvador, aside from the fact that one is Mexicano in its specific history and the other is Salvadorian?

The Spanish-speaking Peruano is every bit as Anishinabe as the Quechua-speaking Peruano. The differences between the two groups are due to specific cultural characteristics and not the race. (Essentially these differences derive from the way colonialism affected the two groups. Both are equally pawns and victims of white manipulation and white-oriented thinking.)

In this connection, it should be stressed that the colonial policies of Spain, Portugal, Britain, and the United States have never been assimilationist. It was not the intention of the white invaders to absorb nonwhites into their own superior race. On the otherhand, it was, and is, the policy of the white ruling groups of Anishinabe-waki to proletarianize nonwhites!

Let us not confuse these two processes. Both assimilation and proletarianization would demand that the native Anishinabe (or African) cultures and tribes be destroyed. Both would demand that the conquered groups learn new skills, learn European language, and become part of the cash economy. But there the similarity ends. An assimilation policy would require the liquidation of racism, color consciousness, and resistance to intermarriage. Clearly, the white ruling groups of the Americas (even in the so-called relaxed Latin countries) have had no intention of doing that.

We might ask also, how is it that the white-oriented ruling groups stay in power in such overwhelmingly non-white countries as Ecuador, Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Guatemala, and so on? Perhaps these rulers have learned to use the Spaniard’s old trick of pitting cholo against indio, caste against caste, and city against countryside. Doesn’t the policy of liquidating the Indian fit into this nicely? For example, an Inca-oriented Quechua revolution cannot probably occurring Peru as long as the cholos are led to believe that they are different and better than indios. No real revolution can take place in Guatemala as long as indios distrust ladinos and ladinos look down upon indios. It all seems so clever and (thus far) so successful.
Divide and conquer. Keep divided and control.

The Mestizo As a Cop Out

Before 1910 it was common for the Mexican intelligentsia to refer to themselves as blancos in contrast to los indios. Until very recently also it was common for Mexican-Americans to refer to themselves as whites, Latinos, Spanish-Americans, or Hispanos. More recently, firs in Mexico and now in the United States, the mestizo concept has come to be used (along with the ambiguous la raza terminology and de habla espanol in the United States).

This movement from whiteism and Spanishism to mestizoism can be as a progressive step, in that apparently the presence of Anishinabe ancestry is being acknowledged. In that sense perhaps it should be encouraged.

On the other hand, to be a mestizo is to be a nothing in particular (as discussed above). All people are mestizos to one degree or another, so for the Mexicano or Chicano to say he is a mestizo is to say, in effect, “I am a human being.” Moreover, in its usage it says, “I am an out-caste, a confused in between person.” (It may well be that many Chicanos are confused about the clash between Mexican and Anglo-American values, but mestizo is not used to refer to that cultural conflict). The traditional culture of most Chicanos is not mixed. It is a well-blended, fully integrated culture that has been evolving and changing for thousands of years.

More significantly, to be a mestizo is to cop-out. It is to accept the Spaniard’s colonialist-racist ideology. It is to fall supine before the European’s racial grading system instead of struggling for psychological liberation. It is to deny one’s own people’s history in order to have a masochistic, obscene relationship with the invaders and conquerors.

It is to be suspected that many Chicanos, Mexicans, and other nonwhite groups in Anishinabe-waki grasp at being called mestizo, not because of a desire to acknowledge Anishinabe descent, but quite the opposite reason, to affirm white descent. A mestizo (according to the racist caste system) is, after all, not a lowly indio. He is at least part-white and, therefore, part-civilized, una persona de razon.

The affirmation of being mestizo is, therefore, a counter-productive, neocolonialist stage of thinking. It is based upon a continued subjection to white categories of denigration and racism.
The mestizo-ladino-cholo-caboclo syndrome is also a major weapon in the arsenal of the white or near-white ruling cliques of many regions of Anishinabe-waki. It prevents the unification of the oppressed nonwhite masses in a common liberation struggle.
Who are the Mexicans? The Mexicans are what they always have been- Mexicans. Since (and before) 1520 they have absorbed many non-Mexicans (including other Anishinabeg as well as Asiatics, Africans, Spaniards, and so on); and their culture has changed (as do all cultures). Fundamentally, the Mexican people go back into history as far as we can see into the past. They have no need to explain their present status by denying their continuous past or by genuflecting before the shrine of mestisaje! The word Mexican historically means Aztec-Nahuan. Isn’t that enough?

Basically, the peoples of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, and Paraguay are, at one and the same time, both Mexicans, Guatemaltecos, Salvadoreans, et cetera, and Anishinabeg.

A clear distinction must be made between the use of the term mestizo as a purely descriptive statement of fact and the use of the term to categorize an entire community or people forever. For example, Winston Churchill could (I suppose) have been classed as a mestizo, that is, a person of mixed ethnic descent (since he was part-Indian). His identity was not that of a mestizo, however, since he was clearly and completely British.

It follows that when the term mestizo is merely used as a descriptive term, a person can be both mestizo and Indian, or both mestizo and French, or both mestizo and Filipino. For example, Cornplanter can be described as a mestizo (i.e., as an individual of known ethnic intermixture) and also as a Seneca. His nationality was, however, Seneca.

Similarly, individual Chicanos can be described as mestizo if they look part-European or know of anon-Indian ancestor. Their identity, however, is Chicano, and the Chicano group, by virtue of its cultural, racial, and historical continuity, cannot be categorized as mestizo.

Liberation from Colonialism

The oppressed peoples of the world are struggling to liberate themselves from both the material and the psychological forces of imperialism. Unfortunately, a “Brown is beautiful” movement has not yet penetrated many sections of Anishnabe-waki. Many people are still castrated by feelings of racial and cultural inferiority implanted by European colonialists and their neocolonialists successors.

The mestizo concept, as used by the Spaniards, by white ruling cliques, and by social scientists, is an anti-Indian, psychologically paralyzing tool of colonialism. It must be exposed and replaced by concepts rooted in the realities of American life.
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Irish Assimilation

by johnk Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 11:51 PM

I think there's less Irish assimilation on the East Coast. There are a lot of undocumented people coming over from Ireland to pour Guinness in the Irish themed pubs.

There is even a clause in the immigration laws that reclassifies poor Irish people from specific counties, in Northern Ireland so they can come over and work as part of a "peace project". These are people who, otherwise, would only be able to enter America against the law.

I say this not to raise ire against Irish people. Rather, look at this exception, and understand the rule: America immigration law discriminates against the poor and working class people of the world. This is why there's a new "underground railroad" running between the US and Mexico.
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Mr.

by Vegas14 Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 12:33 AM

Stop Lying. You never had 27 people there and most of your scum bags could not speak with anything more than four letter words. The National Vanguard out numbers the commies and sos combined.

Immigration, it's a racial matter pure and simple
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LOL!

by fresca Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 5:18 AM

"This is why there's a new "underground railroad" running between the US and Mexico."

This is rich!

"Underground railroad". As if they are trying to escape anything but their own failed culture and society.

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fresca ally

by Keep the Turd World out of America! Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 6:57 AM

America immigration law discriminates against the poor and working class people of the world.

As well it should!

In case you haven't noticed, we're all full up here in America.

While not rich myself, I'd rather have wealthier immigrants come here than Third World, disease-carrying, ignorant laborers, who drain the welfare state that socialists created as an incentive to break the laws and a disincentive to work.

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IF...

by Johnny Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 8:41 AM

If only educated, white-collar immigrants can come here will they be the ones to pick strawberries?
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Illiterate racists

by Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 8:53 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

> Gotta love you cretins. Once again, you have not a
> leg to stand on when it comes to your pro-open
> borders, pro-illegal alien position so you dwell on
> insifnificant typos and spelling errors.

Well, there's typing errors, spelling errors, and then there's illiterate morons. Which grouping this unfortunate problem labors under is probably subject to speculation however I'll note that low IQs, race hatred, homophobia, nationalism, religious occultism, and so many other human failings are greatly interrelated. As is the inability to address the issues, such as this unfortunate problem was utterly incapable of doing.

The issue is one of racist hate filled bigots coming into people's peaceful, American communities, assaulting Mexican Americans and attacking their intellectual and moral superior's Constitutional rights of freedom of speech, art, and expression.

As yet not a single racist hate monger has provided or even offered to prove a rational, reasonable, falsifiable excuse or explanation on why their numbers are filled with the ranks of, support of, defense of, and participation of white supremists groups such as the American Nazi Party, Storm Front, and National Vanguard / Alliance et al.

What we _do_ see is glib denials and attempts to divert attention from their ideologies of hate.

My opinions only, of course.
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left knows immigration reform is not really about racism

by Sosupporter Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 9:33 AM

Dear visiting SOS and Minutemen:

Refuse to engage in debate with left-loons over accusations of “racism.” It’s a waste of time and energy.

Barring the most deluded of indymedia’s “finest”, these racial hucksters know damned well there’s a radical difference between the goals of SOS/MM and self-described ‘racialists’ like Stormfront.

None of the left's arguments about why one country should allow itself to be invaded by another stand up (of course they don’t). A large part of history deals with the defense and maintenance of borders to keep nations sovereign. There is no other way.

Indymedia policy warnings are proof enough that the leftists “behind the curtain” know what’s really going on. They have rules against posting inflammatory rhetoric by so-called anarchists and revolutionaries, even if they agree with these miscreants.

In other words, they know there’s a bin for defective nuts, even for their own side. But they’re not about to give SOS/MM and other supporters of only LEGAL immigration any kind of break.

They can’t afford to when they have no valid arguments.

Accusations of 'racism' are the only trump cards in the left's stacked deck. Call their bluff and let's get back to winning this war against illegal immigration.
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SANDY BROGAN....

by SOS=NAZIS Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 9:41 AM

SANDY BROGAN is the fascist, racist Nazi-ette holding the crossed-out LA RAZA sign.... http/la.indymedia.org/uploads/victorville_6-11-05_007.jpg
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Incoherent droolings of Fred Rice

by Hellfire USA Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 10:10 AM

I think I am going to take the advice of others who have told me its pointless to argue about racism and facism with low-lifes like Fred Rice who is undeniably, clinically insane. The analogy here is akin to trying to teach a pig to sing: it's utterly pointless and annoys the pig.

SoS knows they aren't racists and those that know us personally know the same. I think that our opposition also knows this but must find SOMETHING, ANYTHING to use against us - hence the false allegations of allegiances with racist groups. Ironically, you deny your own racism.

Indy Media is nothing more than a churning, gurgling machine of propagandist hatred and leftist, globalist, anarchist drool. I don't see much point in continuing to correct you fools. If you are committed to lying for your cause you will continue to do so regardless of calling you on your bullshit over and over. Its one thing to have a difference of opinion but another to use lies, slander, defamation etc, to advance your misguided cause.

At any rate, Mr Rice is indeed what we most frequently refer to as a "whack job". He's made quite a reputation for himself with his mindless rantings, conspiracy theories and leftist clap-trap. Fred, you must marvel even your own psychiatrists.
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Immigration law and racism intersect over and over

by johnk Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 10:55 AM

Historically, immigration laws were one of the primary tools of de jure, legal racism.

The official story, from the INS, glosses over the truth, but it can be elided: http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/articles/oview.htm

The first immigration law was the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Here's info about it:

http://sun.menloschool.org/~mbrody/ushistory/angel/exclusion_act/

"Passed in 1882, the Chinese Exclusion Act was a climax to more than thirty years of progressive racism. Anti-Chinese sentiment had existed ever since the great migration from China during the gold rush, where white miners and prospectors imposed taxes and laws to inhibit the Chinese from success.... By 1882 the Chinese were hated enough to be banned from immigrating;"

The acts of 1921 and 1924 established race-based immigration quotas "by assigning each nationality a quota based on its representation in past United States census figures."

According to the stats at FAIR (an anti-immigration group) the decade of 1910 to 1920 had seen an increase in immigration from Asia and the Americas, and a sharp decline in European immigration from previously record numbers (which were only surpassed in the 1990s).

http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1820&c=2

These early 1920s immigration laws were "affirmative action for white people" and against people of color. It was a blatant effort to preserve the whiteness of the nation, and thus, should be interpreted as legislated white supremacy.

The INS site reads: "The threat of war in Europe, and a growing perception of immigration as a national security rather than an economic issue, affected the Immigration and Naturalization Service in 1940."

Thus, we see the shift of immigration policy from labor to national security. What SOS is doing is shifting the discussion back to labor. What SOS is publicly ignorant about is that conflicts between members of the working class led to violence and lynchings against immigrants.

In the 1950s, this continued, with more laws that defined some migrants as political refugees fleeing from communist governments. This, de facto, added a class dimension to immigration law, because those most likely to be fleeing were the propertied middle and upper classes, fleeing from populist governments.

From the INS site: "By the mid-1950s, INS enforcement activities focused on two areas of national concern. Public alarm over illegal aliens resident and working in the United States caused the Service to strengthen border controls and launch targeted deportation programs, most notably "Operation Wetback." Additional worry over criminal aliens within the country prompted INS investigation and deportation of communists, subversives, and organized crime figures."

Operation Wetback was well known as the project that led to many legal, American born people who looked like Mexicans, being harrassed and deported. It's also unique in that "Operation Wetback" was the official name, complete with its racist slur.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q1512434B

Finally, with the Civil Rights movement and the laws it passed, in 1965, the racial quota system was abolished (though it still privileges some nations over others). The political refugee and class system, however, was not. Nor were security issues changed.

So, is the SOS about immigration? Yes. Are they racist? I think so.

Historically, immigration laws have been racist. So SOS is not only overtly racist in its organizing; they also participate in a political process around immigration that, historically, has been marked by racism.
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Escape

by johnk Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 11:00 AM

>"Underground railroad". As if they are trying to escape anything but their own failed culture and society.

Isn't that what makes America great?
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Full Up?

by johnk Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 11:01 AM

"In case you haven't noticed, we're all full up here in America."

Are you talking about Victorville? Is it really that crowded there?
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Illiterate racists

by johnk Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 11:05 AM

That wasn't just a typo; it was a funny spelling error.

"Repoire"

That is just funny. Spelling it "rapor" or "rappor" would have been sad. "Repoire" is funny because it almost looks French.
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Psychological projection

by John Riley Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 12:16 PM

Warning to HellfireUSA . . . big words ahead!

I’ve figured out the scientific reason that the SOS call their opponents racists:

Psychological projection (or projection bias) can be defined as unconsciously assuming that others share the same or similar thoughts, beliefs, values, or positions on any given subject. It is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so forth onto someone else. The principle of projection is well-established in psychology.

See also: scapegoat - One who is made an object of blame: goat, whipping boy.

Scapegoating is the act of irrationally holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems. This is also known as a frameup.

Source: www.answers.com

To translate this into words that HellfireUSA can understand: The SOS and Minuteman are racist and unlike the National Vanguard or Stormfront their brains won’t allow them to consciously express it, so they call the anti-racism activist racists.

con·scious (kŏn'shəs)
adj.



a. Having an awareness of one's environment and one's own existence, sensations, and thoughts. See synonyms at aware.
b. Mentally perceptive or alert; awake:
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Repertoire?

by John Riley Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 12:22 PM

At first I thought HellfireUSA meant repertoire which is from Old French.

Repertoire: The stock of songs, plays, operas, readings, or other pieces that a player or company is prepared to perform.

I thought he meant they had an act rehearsed already with the cops. I thought he was referring to them standing behind the cops.

Hellfire, check it out . . . it's called a dictionary.
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A Proposal

by Pachamama Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 1:51 PM

I'd like to propose that we not disparage people because of their spelling ability, literacy, mental acuity, taste in music, or place of residence.

Maybe it's because I was raised in the backwoods, really love some country music (have you ever heard Gary Stewart's "Harlan County Highway"?), and have a disability -- my elevator still gets to the top, but it has to stop at every floor along the way.

But I really, really hate it when people are disparaged as "gang-bangers," "trailer trash," "morons," "cretins," "pussies," "yokels," or "rednecks."

All I care about is whether you want to work to build a movement for a world where people care for one another and for the planet, and where we don't use race, or gender, or sexual preference, or borders, or age to establish a hierarchy of power relations among us. A world that will be inclusive, not exclusive, and that will celebrate the potential and sacredness of all living creatures, not our limitations.
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left knows immigration reform not really about racism

by SoSupporter Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 2:57 PM

Dear visiting SOS and Minutemen:

Refuse to engage in debate with left-loons over accusations of “racism.” It’s a waste of time and energy.

Barring the most deluded of indymedia’s “finest”, these racial hucksters know damned well there’s a radical difference between the goals of SOS/MM and self-described ‘racialists’ like Stormfront.

None of the left's arguments about why one country should allow itself to be invaded by another stand up (of course they don’t). A large part of history deals with the defense and maintenance of borders to keep nations sovereign. There is no other way.

Indymedia policy warnings are proof enough that the leftists “behind the curtain” know what’s really going on. They have rules against posting inflammatory rhetoric by so-called anarchists and revolutionaries, even if they agree with these miscreants.

In other words, they know there’s a bin for defective nuts, even for their own side. But they’re not about to give SOS/MM and other supporters of only LEGAL immigration any kind of break.

They can’t afford to when they have no valid arguments.

Accusations of 'racism' are the only trump cards in the left's stacked deck. Call their bluff and let's get back to winning this war against illegal immigration.
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Hmmm... read up a few posts

by imc poster Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 4:08 PM

Read up a few posts. (I'm johnk.) I wrote a short essay about the historical relationship between immigration law and racism in the US.

You SOS know-nothings are in more denial than the National Asscience. At least the Nazis have some cognizance of the racial dimensions of immigration law.
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I repeat, left knows immigration reform not really about racism

by SOSupporter Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 5:31 PM

No one cares what the historical precendents were for racist immigration laws of the past.

This is NOW. AD 2005.

Unlike the 1950s, there was no vast socialist welfare state creating an attractive nuisance for Mexican invaders.

I salute your efforts, however feeble, to try to inject some sort of historical perspectives to the crises of NOW.

Unfortunately, they hold no water. Illegals are not protected by the Constitution. They are not American citizens. More ironically, illegals are drawn here for reasons the Founding Fathers feared most: a federal levithan busy handing out favors to poverty pimps and corporate shills alike.

See, the left has this problem where they want to save the world with communism, but like Lenin, they want the capitalist machine to build the Utopia first.

Sorry, Ivan. It's 2005 and the sick, co-dependent tragicomedy of Mexicans feeding off another country to survive is going to end.

One way or another.


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Arrogance & Ignorance

by Pachamama Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 7:15 PM

Arrogance and ignorance are an ugly combination.

It's not true that "no one cares" about the history of immigration.

It's not true that people are lured to cross the border by a "vast socialist welfare state." The US is not now and never has been a vast socialist welfare state. (But welfare mothers have certainly been scapegoated for the country's woes, just as viciously as people who cross the border are being scapegoated now. And although both groups include many different kinds of people, the scapegoaters always seem to focus on the people of color.)

It's not true that the US Constitution protects the rights only of "American citizens."

And most of all, however much you deny it, it's not true that your agenda is not racist. It is racist thru and thru despite of the wall of lies you've invented to deny it. But if you live with your own s**t long enough, eventually you don't even smell it.



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John K

by Whoever Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 8:36 PM

You have been racially profiled as an illegal immigrant?

Whites are racially profiled everyday.

If you are white, you are a racist. Well, that is what the white hater racist hispanic groups believe.

MALDEF, LA RAZA AND ALL OF THESE OTHER WHITE HATERS, ARE THE RACISTS.

They hate whites so much, they believe only hispanics should be allowed to come here illegally.

These white hater hispanics believe every other nation, should have to follow our immigration laws.

But, not Mexicans. Mexicans should be the only ones allowed to come her illegally, that is what they think.

See, all other illegal immigrants have a special title, OTM's (Other Than Mexican). Talk about racism.

OTM's are immiediately detained and then deported, but not illegal criminal Mexicans.

They are trying to wipe whites out, with high hispanic birth rates.

There are only 41 million hispanics, 200 million whites.

More than half of the 41 million hispanics will be eliminated, when we deport all illegal Mexican aliens.

It is the racist hispanics, who think there are too many whites in the USA.

They continue to call it the browning of America.

I know you ignorant morons do not know this, but only 20% of white people are what you would call white. The rest come in all different varieties of color.

In the not so far off future, they are definately going to do away with the "people of color" ratio bull****.

You know why? It is racist.
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Awwright Pachamama

by imc poster Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 10:05 PM

I'll stop with the spelling ribbings.

I've got bad grammar, and drop letters sometimes. Nobody is immune.
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Profiled

by imc poster Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005 at 10:21 PM

>You have been racially profiled as an illegal immigrant?

I said I was profiled as an immigrant, not an "illegal immigrant." I quoted "profiled" to indicate that I was not profiled. I was only identified as an immigrant. It's happened hundreds of times.

Also, I like white people. You kind of have to, to make it in America. I like brown, yellow, and black people too. You have to, to make it in LA.

My turn ons are fresh fruit, Iris Dement, california rolls, camping, and the funky beats on Divine Forces Radio on KPFK.
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Setting the record straight

by % Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 3:04 AM

Arrogance and ignorance are an ugly combination.

>>> I know, but it's what keeps the left going. (It sure as hell ain't facts or logic).

It's not true that "no one cares" about the history of immigration.

>>> The invaders have a vested interest in keeping the border porous, as do certain industries.

>>> Most Americans ARE ignorant of the history of immigration. The dumb fucks in Congress sure were when they passed the idiotic Immigration acts of 1965.

>>> Invaders and homegrown socialists both count on Americans forgetting their past.

>>> American ignorance of history is why if we don't change course, we're going to end up another communist shithole. This is a real concern for those of us who have to clean up the messes left by failed leftist programs and crimes.

It's not true that people are lured to cross the border by a "vast socialist welfare state."

>>> Oh? You mean, "free"" medical care, "free" money from welfare and unemployment, paying NO taxes, driving on roads that aren't crooked and made of dirt and breeding a baby on U.S. Soil to become permanent citizens...these aren't incentives to escape the poverty of Mexico?

>>> (I have little sympathy for the plight of the Mexican people. They chose socialism over capitalism and look what it got tthem. Just like Russia, another country with immense natural resources grossly mismanaged by socialists, Mexicans weep for hunger while sitting atop a mountain of grain).

The US is not now and never has been a vast socialist welfare state.

>>> Not by the communist standards of the left. Oh no, the federal leviathan still has a long ways to go, until we have national health care waiting lists and the government takes 50%-90% of your income.

(But welfare mothers have certainly been scapegoated for the country's woes, just as viciously as people who cross the border are being scapegoated now. And although both groups include many different kinds of people, the scapegoaters always seem to focus on the people of color.)

>>> An unmarried woman who breeds is far more likely to raise a child in poverty. And THAT child, growing up dependent on government, is far more liable to keep that cycle of dependency going as well as turn criminal. But the war on fatherhood will have to wait for another time.

>>> As for singling out "people of color" (one of the most condescending terms the left has yet devised) when the American Black illegitimacy rate is 70%, that's not an imaginary problem made up by racists, it's real.


It's not true that the US Constitution protects the rights only of "American citizens."

>>> Yes, it is. Barring a few micro-minorities like "naturalized citizens" and "legal aliens" the American Constitution does not give rights of outsiders from other lands, no matter what a few activist judges say.

>>> (Ironically, if the U.N. voted tomorrow to make the U.S. Constitution the world model for governance, it would be rejected by the same scum that come to wean off the American welfare tit).

And most of all, however much you deny it, it's not true that your agenda is not racist. It is racist thru and thru
despite of the wall of lies you've invented to deny it.

>>> My "agenda" as an American is to keep invaders out of MY country. As a legal American citizen, I have the moral high ground as well as the tactical.

>>> However much YOU deny it, it's YOUR agenda that's racist. Just because journaleftists refuse to acknowledge Aztidiots and Wrecha as brown versions of the KKK, doesn't mean I won't.

>>> As that other poster said, why argue with leftists about the obvious? You know you're in the wrong; you know it, and that's why you've got to fall back on 'racism' when the subject at hand is about national security and preserving the AMMERICAN Way of life, not the Mexican Way of Squalor and Ignorance.

>>> You may fool a few needlessly guilty liberals into thinking the anti-ILLEGAL immigration movement is run by White Power dopes, but you know you're full of crap.

>>> White Power types don't have any real power at all, nor have they ever attracted little old ladies to their cause the way the legit Minutemen have.

But if you live with your own s**t long enough, eventually you don't even smell it.

>>> If that were true, the illegals would stay in Mexico.

You're over and so is this.


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White Supremists Should Resume Howeling

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 6:20 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205~12220~2920858,00.html

Here the claim is that 9% of the people who are born in Mexico sneak across the border into the United States. That alone indicates that the supposedly non-right-wing study is highly suspect, an attempt to pretend the problem is much worse than it really is; an attempt to whip up fear about unwashed, disease ridden brown hordes.

I'm totally against illegal immigration ept in certain circumstances. However I'm more opposed to white supremists and other racist cults. As it is, I'll have to go find out who these people are that are making these latest claims to see what their white supremists / right-wing connections are, if any.
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Bravley ran awar, away

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 8:53 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

> I think I am going to take the advice of others who
> have told me its pointless to argue about racism and
> facism with low-lifes like Fred Rice who is
> undeniably, clinically insane.

Translation: Run away!

Well, when you can't support or defend your notions, surrender is always an option.

I win again.
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We are full up in some ways

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 8:59 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

>> "In case you haven't noticed, we're all full up here in
>> America."
> Are you talking about Victorville? Is it really that
> crowded there?

There's plenty of land space in the United States -- we're not "full up" in that respect. What we _are_ "full up" on is potable water, sewage treatment, localized transportation infrastructure usage, and other resources.

We've got plenty of room to store new immigrants, we just don't have the resources to water, feed, clothe, or house them. The Mojave Desert is a wonderful place -- I spend as much time there and in the San Gabriel Mountains as possible, hiking and biking in many miles to avoid humans and gun nuts. But livable spaces are either full or damn near close to it.
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Re: An immodest proposal

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 9:03 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

> I'd like to propose that we not disparage people
> because of their spelling ability, literacy, mental
> acuity, taste in music, or place of residence.

That's not always a good idea, more so when discussing racism and white supremists groups like these. The low intelligence of racists in general is an integrated aspect of _why_ they harbor the ideologies they do, and it's also integrated to how they violently strike out at their intellectual and moral superiors.

Low intelligence among racists -- and homophobes -- is entirely relevant, as is honest illiteracy since they walk hand-in-hand.
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Of course not

by goi cuon Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 9:27 AM

"If only educated, white-collar immigrants can come here will they be the ones to pick strawberries?"

That's why God made indians. It's about time they did something.
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Rhetoric

by johnk Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 10:10 AM

% uses words like

"breed"

"invaders"

That's why we call him and his kind "racist".

------------------------------

He also says that the immigration reform from 1965 was "idiotic." I will infer that he believes the diverse immigration after then was undesirable, because it allowed more people of color in, when previously, immigration was open almost exclusively to Europeans.

That's why we call him "racist."

-----------------------------

He calls naturalized citizens and regular immigrants "micro-minorities", when, in fact, they are the majority of immigrants.

His perceptions are warped.

------------------------------

He says non-citizens aren't protected by the Constitution, when in fact they *are* protected. Even the undocumented have rights.

-------------------------------

These are facts. They are simple facts, too. Anyone can look them up.
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" That's why God made indians. It's about time they did something."

by johnk Thursday, Jun. 16, 2005 at 10:17 AM

>That's why God made indians. It's about time they did something.

Isn't that why the missions were established near the Indians?

The missionaries would move in, lasso the "savages", cut off their heads, and terrorize them into submission and conversion.

Then they would be slaves on the mission farms, to feed the missionaries.

>That's why God made indians. It's about time they did something.

Next time you go insult someone, try not to be so damned mean, eggroll.
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the education of johnk

by % Friday, Jun. 17, 2005 at 1:58 AM

% uses words like

"breed"

"invaders"

That's why we call him and his kind "racist".

=====You desperate rascals call anyone with the temerity to disagree with your liberal nonsense 'racist.' I bet you even shout after birds who crap on your car, "Damned racists!"

====="Breed" has two origins. One is the brilliant gay community, which uses the term "breeder" to describe heteros in a playful, non-hurtful way.

======The other refers to the very real deal of illegals silently invading America to birth "anchor babies." I know of no other country stupid enough to declare the offspring of parents from a foreign nation to be a citizen of the stupid country. It's not like Mexican illegals are the sole schemers, either. Wherever welfare is too generous, women breed children to fatten the checks. And as further proof this is the evil aim of the programs, poor married women or women with men who help support them hanging around receive far less aid.

=====You may not like the term 'invader' but it sure is apt:

invade


1. To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.
2. To encroach or intrude on; violate: “The principal of the trusts could not be invaded without trustee approval” (Barbara Goldsmith).
3. To overrun as if by invading; infest: “About 1917 the shipworm invaded the harbor of San Francisco” (Rachel Carson).
4. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully.


===== johnk writes him "and his kind"? I'll let that garbage speak for itself.


------------------------------

He also says that the immigration reform from 1965 was "idiotic." I will infer that he believes the diverse immigration after then was undesirable, because it allowed more people of color in, when previously, immigration was open almost exclusively to Europeans.

That's why we call him "racist."

=====There is no "we." It's YOU doing the name calling.

===== The idiots in Congress had no clue--as usual--what the effects of their stupid laws would be. Rather than see the bad legislation as a "shift" call it what it was: a racist decision by a few idiots like Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy to cut off the influx of Europeans.

====== There's really no point in arguing race with liberals; the lot of them are opportunists looking to guilt their way into sinecures or quick payoffs and the most embarrassing contingent of all: self-hating Whites.

===== Leftists aptly hate White Power types but both groups have have awfully similar brainwashed paradigms. The racialist has a pathological hatred of minorities and liberals have a pathological hatred of themselves and White History.

===== If preferring educated Europeans with something to offer over Third World parasites is 'racist' to you, who cares? I'm not sure if rat poison feels "left out" when I instead pour sugar on my corn flakes, and I don't care 'bout that either. I'm not trying, like the left, to make America weaker and more vulnerable so our goals are very different.

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He calls naturalized citizens and regular immigrants "micro-minorities", when, in fact, they are the majority of immigrants.

How do you know % is a man? I detect phallocentrism! If the left had its way, immigrants would stay immigrants in order to never assimilate. Such dupes are far easier to control than students of history.

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He says non-citizens aren't protected by the Constitution, when in fact they *are* protected. Even the undocumented have rights.

===== They have limited protections because unlike 90% of the world, America is civilized. Now if you're dumb enough to grant invaders the same "rights" as you, then why not move and let one of them take your place?

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These are facts. They are simple facts, too. Anyone can look them up.

===== Are you sure that's wise? Facts are dangerous to those with an agenda not based on reality.

% has spoken.
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