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LAPD Pump 10 Shots into 13-Year-Old

by POLICE BRUTALITY Thursday, Feb. 10, 2005 at 6:08 AM
POLICE BRUTALITY

13-year-old gunned down by LA-COPS. PHOTO of the boy: Devin Brown LINK TO THIRD ARTICLES BELOW: http://www.baou.com/newswire/main.php?action=recent&rid=20041

LAPD Pump 10 Shots i...
devin_brown.jpg, image/jpeg, 150x181

13-year-old gunned down by LA-COPS.

PHOTO of the boy: Devin Brown

LINK TO THIRD ARTICLES BELOW:

http://www.baou.com/newswire/main.php?action=recent&rid=20041
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Get active

by Stop Racist Cops Now Thursday, Feb. 10, 2005 at 9:17 AM

Join this group. And maybe we can stop the next shooting.

http://www.october22.org/
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by @ Thursday, Feb. 10, 2005 at 10:58 AM

any links to groups doing support work for the community/family? numbers/emails/sites etc?
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a group

by goupie Thursday, Feb. 10, 2005 at 7:43 PM

joining some group that has a protest every oct 22nd aint gonna do shit. this is a fucking police state, and protesting while nobody sees or cares is a waste of time. get off your ass and organize the masses. the masses in the ghettos; the very oppressed people; the lower class is whom needs to be organized in order for change to happen.
REVOLUTION NOW!
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by POLICE BRUTALITY Friday, Feb. 11, 2005 at 8:13 PM

LOS ANGELES TIMES, FEBRUARY 8
Later in the afternoon, similar sentiments could be heard at Western Avenue and 83rd Street, near the shooting site, where about 150 people filled the intersection, waving placards and lighting candles.

At 5:15, the crowd started marching north on Western toward Bethel AME church, chanting "Police stop killing our children" and waving signs reading "Stop the killing."
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LAPD = Fascist Pigs are us

by LAPD = Fascist Pigs are us Saturday, Feb. 12, 2005 at 7:43 AM
Fascist Pigs@666 Shoot First Ask Questions Never.org 666-Pig-Nazi Ext. 666 666 Fascism Blvd, Lost Angels CA Nazis

Now you know why they're called FASCIST PIGS.
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Copwatch

by Phoenix Copwatcher Saturday, Feb. 12, 2005 at 3:07 PM

Start copwatching. Get together with 3 or 4 friends, grab a camera, read up on the laws in LA county and in the various cities within (Just so the cops can't bully your copwatch crew with B.S. laws), and start patroling.
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He stole the car

by common sense Monday, Feb. 14, 2005 at 12:42 AM

No doubt, it is a tragedy that a boy died.

However, won't anyone acknowledge that the child DID commit a felony, then fail to pull over when the police told him to, then tried to back into the police cruiser with the vehicle he just stole???

Come on! What are the cops supposed to do? Stop acting like all police are bad. Poor child rearing, poor decision-making, and lack of supervision by the parent(s) and boy are the REAL causes of his death.

If he hadn't STOLEN a car, then run from cops, and tried to use the car as a weapon, he's still be alive today.
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Copwatch uh-huh....

by Bostonian Monday, Feb. 14, 2005 at 10:10 AM

Okay, grab your buds and a vidcam and follow cops around videotaping them. And if--on your way there or on your way home, the homies kick your azz and take your clothes and vidcam--who you gonna call?
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School

by Hassan Monday, Feb. 14, 2005 at 3:19 PM
TaqwaMH@aol.com

What school did Devin go to?
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Devin Brown

by Patricia McAllister Monday, Feb. 14, 2005 at 3:42 PM
PatriciaMcAll@yahoo.com 213-200-6981 P.O. Box 86562, Los Angeles,CA 90086

It is evident that there is an "all out war to destroy Black males in America". We need our Black men to stand up, and to fight this oppressed system that we have here in the United States.

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50/50

by Opach Monday, Feb. 14, 2005 at 6:14 PM

I believe that the kid did steel the car. I think that the officer had a right to try to stop him, but could have chosen a much more appropriate way to go about it. Really I'm not sure what the officer should have done. But since he was 13 years old I'm pretty sure that he should have withheld his led.
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what's sad...

by more rational Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 3:35 AM

He probably backed the car because he panicked.

If they were in a richer neighborhood, I suspect they would have squeezed off fewer shots, if any at all.
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So instead of condemning the cop...

by go save lives Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 5:26 AM

why not go out into the community and teach kids not to steal, not to run from the police, not to break societies laws, and never EVER make yourself a threat to law enforcement?
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where to rest the blame

by h Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 1:27 PM

"you don't blame the oppressed, you blame the oppressor!"
There's a reason why so many people within the poor communities are breaking the law (although the rich mother fuckers do too; just got the money and police backing them up). It's because they have been completely stripped from any power, any type of control. With drugs running a muck throughout their neighborhoods, addicts and thiefs are what you're gonna find. That's the way of life; you must steal to survive. And, if you don't join all the rich looking drug slingers, with nice clothes, cars, and women, then the only other option is to do good in school (where schools in the hood aint nothin like the middle-to-upper class rich ass schools), join the military, or get a job breaking your back with no end in sight. These kind of conditions is what makes people steal, rape, murder.
The poor aint got any control. Until you've lived in the hood... shut the fuck up
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consumer

by consumer Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 1:30 PM

not to mention the consumerist culture, brainwashing people in believing material possessions is what makes you a man; what will make you happy. and enought o make someone steal to get a house, or car, or some fucking gold
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economics of theft

by more rational Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 2:35 PM

A lot of stealing is done to satisfy the demand for cheap stolen goods. The people buying these things know how to suppress their bad feelings, and enjoy the good feeling of getting a good deal.

One way around this bad situation is to pay better wages. Then, legitimate businesses become more viable. It wouldn't reduce the theft in, say, laptop computers and jewelry, but it would help reduce the viability of stealing and selling cheap car stereos, CDs, and $30 household things.
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drugs in poor neighborhoods are for the middle class

by more rational Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 2:52 PM

In every poor neighborhood I've lived in, and it's only been a few, the drug stiuation looks the same. It's people from nicer areas coming in to buy crack or pot or heroin. I wished those dealers would just go away, but, looking at them, it was pretty obvious most of them could not get a better job.

It was the same situation with whores. The whores weren't there for the poor people. They were waiting around for some middle class person to come by and hire them.

If you want to see what I mean, just go to Alvarado around 5pm. You'll see white guys in BMWs pulling over to buy crack or heroin or whatever it is they're getting high on. I bet they even pull around the corner to pick up a whore and hit a motel.

That's why I'm for legalizing drugs and prostitution. These situations exist in the poor neighborhoods because the middle class people don't want the businesses operating in their own neighborhoods. I think the police let these businesses operate in the poor areas. I think the cops are all paid off, and collaborating with the criminals. Look at what happened in the Rampart scandal.

It would be better if there were actual stores and business areas where you could keep these problems away from people who just want to live as normal a life as possible.
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fresca

by I agree Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 3:31 PM

"That's why I'm for legalizing drugs and prostitution. "

I'm all for it but make NO mistake. Drugs are being consumed in copious amounts by plenty of the denizens of these poor neighborhoods. I've spent alot of time in these places copping and using and no one socioeconomic group has a monopoly on it.
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revolution

by hell in a hand basket Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2005 at 7:06 PM

fuck it. all these problems cant be fixed with a little reform. with the hierarchical society we live in, the only practical solution is class war. to abolish the very existence of power of a few over the power of the many
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yeah, i know the people there are using

by more rational Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2005 at 3:22 AM

For sure "fresca", they're using it there, but the negative impact of these things is on the people who aren't involved. Normally, businesses are in business districts. These illegal businesses happen in residential and mixed-use areas.

If, say, the poorest 20% of people host all the drive-thru drug areas, it means that they suffer four times more than they deserve; people in other areas end up suffering not at all, and, really benefitting from keeping the drug business away from their areas.
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fresca

by wee I'll be Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2005 at 10:03 AM

More rational, I think we finally agree.

My concern and support for drug leagalization is for exactly the reason's you've laid out. While I am mildly concerned with the well being of those who CHOOSE (as I did) to destroy themselves with drugs, my true compassion is for those who get caught up in the ugly, commerce of drugs. All the people you mentioned.

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Here's what Bob Avakian has to say

by Bob Avakian Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2005 at 1:35 PM

Valuing the Lives of the People vs. Wanton Police Murder

When the Proletariat Rules

by Bob Avakian

Revolutionary Worker #1255, October 17, 2004, posted at http://rwor.org

Let's take the question of police brutality and murder.. it seems like every time you open the RW there is at least one and often more than one article about another one of these outrages--basically the same story of how the police go in and wantonly murder someone, especially basic Black and Latino youth. And in this [one] particular article I believe it was a Latino youth who was involved, it was one of these things where he, you know, lost it a bit and had a gun or something, and was out in a public place, and there was sort of a standoff and I guess the police shot him and wounded him, if I have all the facts right, and his girlfriend was there with him, and she at one point told the police that she would get his gun away from him and then the police said if you touch the gun, you'll be shot! And his mother came up and begged the police to let her go get the gun away from him, and they told her the same thing.

This article was really very compelling, and by the time you were through reading it, both the anger at what had gone on and also the fact that with these police, this is not some accidental thing, they want to shoot down these masses, and this is an integral part of what they do--what their social role is, what their political role is--this was brought out very powerfully in this article. You know, I finished reading it and I just had this restless anger where you can't sit still, plus this really strong feeling that, as the article brought out, not once but twice there was a solution there, but the police specifically rejected it and threatened the people with being shot themselves. I mean this shows, once again, that they're not out there "doing a difficult job and faced with difficult choices" and they couldn't find any way out of this other than shooting this person.

Or you can take the [police murder] of Tyisha Miller..one of the things that really needs to be driven home is-- here's the scene where she is passed out in the car and they come up to the car, the police, they surround the car, and there's a whole bunch of them, they're all armed, they're surrounding the car, and they just shoot her--execute her basically. And it seems to me that one basic point to be made is this: if you can't handle this situation differently than this, then get the fuck out of the way. Not only out of the way of this situation but get off the earth--get out of the way of the masses of people. Because, you know, we could have handled that situation any number of ways that would have resulted in a much better outcome, and frankly if we had state power and we were faced with a similar situation, we would sooner have one of our own people's police killed than go wantonly murder one of the masses. That's what you're supposed to do if you're actually trying to be a servant of the people. You go there and put your own life on the line, rather than just wantonly murder one of the people.

It seems to me that this kind of point can be brought out very powerfully to people. What were they there to do? You know, fuck all this "serve and protect" bullshit. If they were there to serve and protect, they would have found any way but the way they did it to handle this scene, they could have and would have found a solution that was much better than this. This is the way the proletariat, when it's been in power, has handled and would again handle this kind of thing--valuing the lives of the masses of people- -as opposed to the bourgeoisie in power, where the role of their police is to terrorize the masses, including wantonly murdering them, murdering them without provocation, without necessity, because exactly the more arbitrary the terror is, the more broadly it affects the masses. And that's one of the reasons why they like to engage in--and have as one of their main functions to engage in--wanton and arbitrary terror against the masses of people.

From "Putting Forward Our Line-In a Bold, Moving, Compelling Way"


This article is posted in English and Spanish on Revolutionary Worker Online
http://rwor.org/
Write: Box 3486, Merchandise Mart, Chicago, IL 60654
Phone: 773-227-4066 Fax: 773-227-4497
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wat da fuk

by ? Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2005 at 3:30 PM

No one asked what Bob Avakian has to say. Unless Bob Avakian is here and he wants to say it, keep it off the site. Authoritarians, whether theyre the los angeles police department or the leader of another communist party, are the ones who put us in situations where people get killed.
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think, motha fucka!

by thinktank Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2005 at 10:18 PM

we all gotta realize that there is a root to all the problems we face in this day and age. the fact that people can not get basic needs; the fact that healthcare, food, housing, and education is not readily available is what makes people result to stealing, raping, murdering. people's lives and any control and power has been taking away! push someone back into a corner and you'll see them start throwin punches. you can't keep ignoring the environment these poor neighborhoods are in. it's such an economic system as capitalism, where there are major hierarchies that take all power away from people... it is such a society where police become necessary to control the animals it creates... however, these motha fuckers with the badges are the fuckin animals
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wow wow wow

by asshole Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2005 at 10:21 PM

wow wow wow. animals (other than humans) follow the natural order of things, and are the most civil. don't use "pigs" for such fuckers like cops and don't use "animals" for such people who have been fucked over and haveto result to violent means in order to survive and be independent
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fuck the cops

by pissed off Friday, Feb. 18, 2005 at 2:49 AM

condem all murders LAPD are some fucking scary ass cowards to shoot and kill a 13year old or any fucking human for running a stop light stupid asses dont pull your patrol cars so close and you will not be backed in to by a scared young 13 year old child out joy riding while his mother is working 2 jobs to provide and his father is passed away.im speaking from a fathers point of view LAPD leave our fucking kidz alone enough is enough how will you feel if your kidz are murderd by people they are told that wiil protect them and serve them BULLSHIT teach your kidz to run for there life if they ever get stoped by the LAPD who shoot and ask questions later!!!!
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whose car?

by ramble Saturday, Feb. 19, 2005 at 10:23 AM

whose car was it that he stole? his mothers??!
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fresca, no wonder you're a loser

by more rational Sunday, Feb. 20, 2005 at 4:35 AM

You were a druggie huh? Now it's starting to make sense.

You're such a hater; try and have some respect for humanity. Not everyone in the world is as self-hating as you are. Not everyone in the world needs discipline to get their act together.

I don't really have that much compassion for the people who do the drugs, or sell the drugs. In fact, truth be told, I'm one of those people who will start ignoring a friend who's using frequently. I'm not one to "be there for someone when they're going through it." Please. They're not there for me, either, so what's the diff? A call to check in once a year is fine.

Better to save the compassion for the kids who have to deal with the addict, and the relatives and friends who have to deal with it. The neighborhood that has to deal with a crackhouse deserves compassion. It doesn't matter that someone's busting their ass for $7 an hour, because there's going to be something shitty down the street they live on. There is no justice when hard work isn't rewarded with a decent life. I have compassion for that guy or girl.

These situations exist because of guys like GW Bush and Rush Limbaugh. These rich guys use coke or junk, but can't face up to it, and the impact they're having on the world by their behavior. Their denial makes them support a bullshit war on drugs that they know doesn't work. It makes them dangerously insincere. The danger isn't to themselves, but to the average joe or jane.


To the poster who's talking about basic survival: there's enough to survive on out there, but, the system to get it to the people isn't working quite right. Welfare's been cut back, and the richest 1% got a fat tax break. Add it up, and it means people get hungry. Some get jobs. Some get jobs in gangs. Some people will get jobs taking a bullet for a rich man.

There are a lot of people saying charity is useless, and compassion is a crime, but they're wrong. There will always be unemployment. It's impossible to have full employment, because wages rise asymptotically to infinity as unemployment reaches zero.

And when unemployment climbs, the natural minimum wage drops like a rock. Until someone is selling rock, for less than minimum wage.

If this was the summertime and hot, I think we might have had another uprising.
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1 less moon cricket

by skin deep Friday, Feb. 25, 2005 at 2:53 AM

He was a criminal.. He stole cars.. What kind of fucked up life was this crack head wanna be going to have. He probably deserved what he got and maybe teh parents do too. And if you read the police report not all ten of the bullets his the damn kid. The Barney Fife cop hit the hood of his car 5 of the 10 shots... you do the math if you can!
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1 less moon cricket

by skin deep Friday, Feb. 25, 2005 at 2:55 AM

He was a criminal.. He stole cars.. What kind of fucked up life was this crack head wanna be going to have. He probably deserved what he got and maybe teh parents do too. And if you read the police report not all ten of the bullets his the damn kid. The Barney Fife cop hit the hood of his car 5 of the 10 shots... you do the math if you can!
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thanks again, officers

by Smarter than Thee Monday, Feb. 28, 2005 at 8:25 PM

Who wanted taxpayers to waste another 30 years of NegroCare paying for this little asshole's incarceration, future baby mama's and resulting wee-nigs and eventual death penalty trial?

Fuck him. Good riddance, trash.

Don't worry, liberals. Plenty more animals from your democrat livestock to commit crimes.
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kill them all

by you know why we hate u Saturday, Mar. 05, 2005 at 2:43 PM

Good job LAPD officers dont stop shooting till the criminal stops breathing. one less" you know what" to comit crimes in the city. Kill them all .
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unfortunate

by unfortunate Saturday, Mar. 12, 2005 at 9:56 PM

Had no right to do this to a 13 year old kid, doesn't matter if he was good or bad. Nobody deserves to die like this
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Killer cops welcome in UK

by razmataz Sunday, Jul. 10, 2005 at 3:35 AM

Can you send some of yourkiller cops to the UK as there's plenty of thieving scum + assorted vermin needs sweeping off the streets here. Plus bleeding heart liberals....
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