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"A QUESTION FOR BECKY:"
by JA 04 Feb 2005

Becky, this is hard to say, but you make non-Critical Thinkifier almost look like *'EINSTEIN'* (except Einstein, being a *staunch* anti-racist leftist activist, became opposed to Zionism). In fact, you are *way* more idiotic than even the VERY FEW Zionist *Jews* on sc-imc, indybay, or sf-imc. (Gerhig is *MUCH* smarter than non-Critical Thinkifier; and non-Critical Thinkifier is *MUCH* smarter than you!) You're kinda down there with indybay comment poster Sefarad's simplemindedness (I don't even bother with her - but she also says that she's not Jewish). Now *why* do you side with those hypoctical, eternal self-victimological *nuts* instead of the *ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS* on the local indymedias, like aaron aarons, or "deanosaur", or article essayists like Jeffrey Blankfort, or anti-Zionist Jewish lecturer/activists like Barbara Lubin of MECA, or [Mideast History] Professor Joel Beinin of Stanford, or Dr. Marc Sapir of Berkeley, or Rob Lipton and other Jews of the ISM, or anti-Zionist Jews in Jewish Voice for Peace, or national names like scholar Lenni Brenner, or anti-racist activist Tim Wise; I could name more? They believe that just as there should not be a Christian-supremacist state oppressing Jews, there should not be a Jewish-supremacist state oppressing Palestinians. Why do you have to side with the self-victimological twisted racist Jewish nutcases?

You say that you're not Jewish. Are you married to a Zionist Jew or do you have a close relative or inlaw who is a Zionist Jew - or a Zionist (past or present) Jewish boyfriend? I'm trying to discern the source of your RABID *extreme* ULTRA-PRO-ZIONIST nuttyhood. Or do you somehow exoticize or romanticize "the Jews"?

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ALBERT EINSTEIN:
by JA 04 Feb 2005

"It would be my greatest sadness to see Jews do to Palestinian Arabs *MUCH* of what Nazis did to Jews."

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Einstein also co-signed a letter to the New York Times (1948), along with other prominent Jews, like the anti-Zionist Jew Hannah Arendt, warning about anti-Palestinian terrorist, fascist and even racist Nazi-like institutions in Israel, and calling Menachim Begin, then a future prime minister of Israel, A RACIST FACIST, and saying that Begin should not even be allowed into the United States.

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Einstein was also a close friend of the internationally famous African American actor-singer-athlete, internatinonal speaker and political activist Paul Robeson and together they worked to fight anti-Black racism (especially on the anti-lynching campaign) in the U.S.

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By the way, Becky, other MORAL ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS in the Bay Area include those in Jews for a Free Palestine (JFFP) and, very prominently, UC Berkeley Professor Emerita Bluma Goldstein, herself a Jewish Holocaust survivor who lost over 30 members of her family in the Holocaust, but who nonetheless morally rejects Zionism.

In addition to the other anti-Zionist Jewish activists (like in Jewish Voice for Peace), journalists and essayists, scholars and professors (like UC Berkeley's Daniel Boyarin), human rights directors and pro-Palestinian solidariy workers, why aren't you siding with *THEM*!?

You're siding with the blithering idiots like non-Critical Thinkifier, and the rabid glassy-eyed Jewish fundamentalist settlers!! What does this say about you, *intellectually*, let alone morally?

So, these moral anti-Zionist Jews are like the early American Abolitionists (who at first were fewer) or, later, anti-Segregationists; but it's like you, Becky, are siding with the immoral 'slavers' (who at first were in the majority) or, later, Segregationists! (Or, like elsewhere, the pro-apartheid Afrikaners, who were before in the white majority.) But, like the slavers, Becky, you're on the *WRRRONNNG* side of moral history.

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"FINALLY (drum roll please) JA's Answer!"
by Becky Johnson 04 Feb 2005

Now for JA's question: "Now *why* do you side with those hypoctical, eternal self-victimological *nuts* instead of the *ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS* on the local indymedias, like aaron aarons, or "deanosaur", or article essayists like Jeffrey Blankfort, or anti-Zionist Jewish lecturer/activists like Barbara Lubin of MECA, or Joel Beinin of Stanford, or Dr. Marc Sapir of Berkeley, or Rob Lipton and other Jews of the ISM, or anti-Zionist Jews in Jewish Voice for Peace, or national names like scholar Lenni Brenner, or anti-racist activist Tim Wise; I could name more?"

BECKY: Or Amy Goodman, Wendy Campbell, Alison Weir, Adam Shapiro, Stephen Zunes, Noam Chomsky, AFSC, all the little Palestinian-wannabees at the Resource Center for Nonviolence (note to CT: check out http://www.rcnv.org), or the fine, fine reporting of George "Old Lady Scar Arms" Cadman, or Vinny the V-man? Or almost anybody else at FRSC other than me?

Because once I know something, I can't stop knowing it. I USED to think just like you. And in some fundamental way, I haven't changed my value system one bit. What changed is I got more information.

When I first heard that Israel was 20% Arab/Muslim, I was shocked. Really. I didn't know any better. I said "But I hear its a Jewish state so that Palestinians, because they are not Jewish, cant even live in their own country!" "Isn't Israel accused of being an apartheid state?" How can it be an apartheid state if it has red-orange-yellow-black-and white citizens who are Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Bahai or have no religion at all?

The answer of course was, Israel is NOT an apartheid state.

As I dug deeper (and really I didnt believe a THING I had been told that conflicted with the leftist version of things)it became a case of everything-I-know-is-wrong.

Israel DOESN'T machine gun children in the street (an aside here: Barbara Lubin called me at my house and I told her that I no longer believe that the IDF machine-guns children in the street.

She said --oh, they do!! I said really? Name ONE case. She said "theres one that just happened. a girl was shot in the head as she was lining up to go to school".

Yes, thats the case where the PA police just arrested the PALESTINIAN gunman suspect--some idiot who had just returned from the Haaj and was celebrating by shooting his gun up in the air.

So even Barbara Lubin's ONLY example of the IDF machine-gunning children in the street turned out to have NO IDF INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER!!
If Barbara Lubin is so concerned about children, why doesn't her organization take care of any of the Israeli children who have been injured in the conflict?

Why am I so involved? (and I admit that I am very involved) What if you were in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and somehow you KNEW the Jewish holocaust was coming, wouldn't you feel moved to act to stop it?

Its kind of like that. I now see Israel as a tiny country trying its darndest to do the right thing while beleagered on all sides by enemies, waiting for a moment of weakness, before attacking again in the last war of annihilation.

I see the Arab propaganda mills churning out lie after lie after lie and spread around most likely by wealthy Arab oil money.

I also see the Israeli people barely defending themselves from these attacks. They PHYSICALLY defend themselves from snipers and bombers, but for a very smart people, (who are very good at reading and writing!!???!!)they move at a glacial pace in their own defense.

By the time the IDF has finished a full investigation of an incident, the Arab and leftist propaganda mills have spewed forth with some horrible portrait which "proves" that the IDF are a bunch of racist cold-blooded child-killers, and the Palestinian people are warm, loving, and struggling so bravely under the evil oppression.

Local Jewish people (and many of them are my dear friends) are a big part of the problem. Of course when you see how people are treated in here (name-calling, called a racist, a nazi, death threats, etc.) I guess you can't blame them for not speaking out more.

My personal work in life (outside my family and my day job) is to make a better, more peaceful world. Some of my work with homeless issues is in that vein. My work on behalf of Israel, is a personal justice issue. As long as I see people in Santa Cruz trashing this great little country left and right like its the most evil force on the planet, I feel moved to challenge that crap.

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HERE IT IS!!:


"BECKY'S BRAIN !!! - OR..., WHAT CAN I *SAYYY*!!???"
by JA 04 Feb 2005

BECKY: "...Or Amy Goodman, ..."

Amy Goodman is Jewish and anti-Zionist - as well as her writer-activist brother.


"...Wendy Campbell, Alison Weir,..."

Wendy Campbell and Alison Weir are not Jewish.


"...Adam Shapiro, Stephen Zunes, Noam Chomsky, AFSC, all the little Palestinian-wannabees at the Resource Center for Nonviolence..."

"PALESTINIAN-WANNABEES"??? DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S A LITTLE *RRRACIST*???

WOULD YOU HAVE ACCUSED WHITE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS BACK IN THE 60'S OF BEING "BLACK WANNABEES"???

WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY "SAND-NIGGER LOVERS" AND BE DONE WITH IT?

OH, I FORGOT - YOU DON'T HAVE A BRAIN SO HOW CAN YOU THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

YEAH, ALL THEM JEWS JUST WANNA BE *PALESTINIANS*!!

JUST LIKE WHITES WHO WANNA BE *BLACK*!!

(By the way, although a strong critic of Israel, Zunes is a *Zionist*. A so-called 'liberal Zionist'. It's like a 'liberal slave-owner', or 'liberal Segregationist', or 'liberal pro-Apartheid Afrikaner', or maybe even 'liberal Nazi'. They're smart enough to realize that they have to at least get rid of the worst atrocities of Zionism or the whole Zionist matzo ball might be lost as Israel becomes a pariah state, like apartheid South Africa did, as Israel's own secret, but leaked, internal govt study showed.)


"...or the fine, fine reporting of George "Old Lady Scar Arms" Cadman, or Vinny the V-man? Or almost anybody else at FRSC other than me?"

I don't know Cadman or Vinny.


"I USED to think just like you."

DON'T INSULT ME! YOU *NEVER* THOUGHT "JUST LIKE [ME]".

(But, even a flashing clock on a VCR tells the right time once a day.)


"How can it be an apartheid state if it has red-orange-yellow-black-and white citizens who are Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Bahai or have no religion at all?"

YEAHHH...! IT'S LIKE DURING SLAVERY AND "JIM CROW" AMERICAN APARTHEID, WHEN THE U.S. HAD WHITE AND RED AND BLACK AND BROWN AND YELLOW AND CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH AND MORMON OR WHATEVER OR NO RELIGION AT ALL!!


"The answer of course was, Israel is NOT an apartheid state."

WELL, BUT DON'T NELSON MANDELA AND DESMOND TUTU SAY THAT ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?

HEY, BUT IF I HAD TO TAKE *THEIR* WORD OR *YOURS* - NO CONTEST: IT'D BE *YOURS*!!

(ANYWAY, MANDELA AND TUTU ARE PROBABLY ANTI-SEMITIC - OR PALESTINIAN WWWANNABEES.)


"...an aside here: Barbara Lubin called me at my house..."

I'm disappointed that someone of Barbara's intelligence and stature would even waste her time on you. It would be like MADAME CURIE calling BETTY RUBBLE!


"Israel DOESN'T machine gun children in the street..."

OF COURSE *NOT*!! ISRAEL HAS *NEVER* SHOT AND KILLED *ANY* CHILDREN - UNLESS THOSE CHILDREN (HOWVER YOUNG) WERE CARRYING AK-47'S (JUST LIKE THE LITTLE GIRL IN THE S.F. EXAMINER AD THAT WAS PULLED) OR PACKING SUICIDE BOMBS! WHY, *NO* JEWISH PERSON WOULD *EVER* BE CAPABLE OF *THAT* KIND OF RACISM AND ACTIONS!


"Yes, thats the case where the PA police just arrested the PALESTINIAN gunman suspect"

YES! NOW *THAT* EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!! ANY PALESTINIAN CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED WERE KILLED BY *OTHER* PALESTINIANS!!

(GEE! THOSE PALESTINIANS ARE *EVIL*!! THOSE DRUNKEN HAAJ-AMPED PALESTINIANS SHOOT AND KILL THEIR *OWN* KIDS - AND THEN BLAME IT ON *ISRAEL*!! *DAMN* THOSE PALESTINIANS!!)


"So even Barbara Lubin's ONLY example of the IDF machine-gunning children in the street turned out to have NO IDF INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER!!"

THAT WOULD HAVE CONVINCED *ME* - THAT BARBARA WAS LYING!! AND SHE'S *JUST* THE KIND OF PERSON THAT *WOULD*!!

***WHAT AN EPIPHANY!!!***

OF COURSE WE ONLY HAVE *YOUR* WORD FOR THE EXCHANGE, BUT *THAT'S* GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!

I know that if you were telling someone else what *I* said, a *tape* recording of me would be in more doubt.


"If Barbara Lubin is so concerned about children, why doesn't her organization take care of any of the Israeli children who have been injured in the conflict?"

GOOD QUESTION!!! *GOOD* QUESTION!!! ...***DAMN*** GOOD QUESTION!!!


"Why am I so involved? (and I admit that I am very involved) What if you were in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and somehow you KNEW the Jewish holocaust was coming, wouldn't you feel moved to act to stop it?"

WELL, *I* WOULD, BUT TO MAKE THE PARALLEL MORE ACCURATE, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SIDING WITH THE *NAZIS* AGAINST THOSE DAMN JEWS!

-AND THOSE JEWS WOULD HAVE THE *NERVE* TO CLAIM THAT THE NAZIS HAD SHOT AND KILLED THEIR KIDS IN THE WARSAW GHETTO!!

(OF COURSE, NOW *I'M* CONFUSED... BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THOSE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS WHO ARE ANTI-ZIONISTS. OH..., THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST SELF-HATING JEWS... *THAT* EXPLAINS IT!)


"Its kind of like that. I now see Israel as a tiny country trying its darndest"

--OH *FLY* LITTLE BIRDIE!! **FLY**!!


"to do the right thing while beleagered on all sides by enemies, waiting for a moment of weakness,"

THOSE PALESTINIAN *SNAKES* IN THE GRASS!! - THOSE JACKALS!!


"before attacking again in the last war of annihilation."

HUH...? ANNIHILATION??? IS THAT LIKE ARMAGEDDON??


SO, YOU TAKE *ONE* *SINGLE* ALLEGED EXAMPLE **YOURSELF**, FROM *ONE* *SINGLE* PERSON, AND YOU CONCLUDE THAT ZIONISM AND ISRAEL ARE RIGHT - AND THE PALESTINIANS ARE WRONG!!

THAT'S, UH...., 'LOGICAL'...

YOU SWING FROM 'LEFT' TO EXTREME RIGHT THAT EASILY, HUH?

(ARE YOU RELATED TO DAVID HOROWITZ?)

GEE AND TO THINK THE WORLD WASTES SO MUCH TIME ON HISTORICAL AND SOCIAL SCIENCE *RESEARCH* - ESPECIALLY INTELLECTUAL AND RESEARCH *STANDARDS*.


"I see the Arab propaganda mills churning out lie after lie after lie and spread around most likely by wealthy Arab oil money."

WELL, FORTUNATELY ALL THOSE WEALTHY JEWISH BANKERS HAVE THEIR *OWN* MONEY TO COUNTERACT THAT, HUH BECKY?


"I also see the Israeli people barely defending themselves from these attacks. They PHYSICALLY defend themselves from snipers and bombers, but for a very smart people, (who are very good at reading and writing!!???!!)"

YEAH, THEM JEWS CAN *READ* AND *WRITE*!! - *THAT'S* FOR SURE. THAT'S WHY MY *LAWYER* IS A JEW! MY *ACCOUNTANT* IS A JEW!

IF IT'S GOT TO DO WITH *READING* AND *WRITING*..., I WANT A **JEW**.

***_RIGHT_, CT [non-Critical Thinkifier]!?***


"they move at a glacial pace in their own defense."

WELL, WE KNOW ALL THOSE WEALTHY JEWS ARE ALWAYS *RICH* - BUT *WHO* SAYS THAT JEWS ARE ALWAYS *SMART*, HUH BECKY...???

***_RIGHT_, CT!?***


HEY BECKY...! WANNA HEAR A GOOD JOKE? WHAT'S THE SMALLEST BOOK IN THE WORLD? "GREAT JEWISH BOXERS"!! HA-HA-HA..., HUH!!?


"By the time the IDF has finished a full investigation of an incident, the Arab and leftist propaganda mills have spewed forth with some horrible portrait which "proves" that the IDF are a bunch of racist cold-blooded child-killers, and the Palestinian people are warm, loving, and struggling so bravely under the evil oppression."

YEAH, THOSE *WILEY* AYE-RABS, HUH...!?


"Local Jewish people (and many of them are my dear friends)"

WHAT A COINCIDENCE! WHY, SOME OF *MY* BEST FRIENDS ARE *JEWISH* TOO!!


"are a big part of the problem."

WELL, THEY'RE *JEWISH*...!!: WHAT CAN YOU *SAYYY*...!!?


OR MAYBE IT'S ALL THAT CALIFORNIA SUN!! YOU CAN'T STAY OUT IN IT TOO MUCH!

YOU BEING IN SANTA CRUZ, I GUESS ***YOU*** KNOW!!


"Of course when you see how people are treated in here (name-calling, called a racist, a nazi, death threats, etc.) I guess you can't blame them for not speaking out more."

YEAH, IF SOMEONE KEPT CALLING *ME* THOSE NAMES, *I'D* EVEN SIDE WITH THE KLU KLUX KLAN!!

FORTUNATELY THOSE SLOW, DUM JEWS HAVE **YOU** TO SPEAK UP FOR THEM, HUH?


"My personal work in life (outside my family and my day job)"

GOSH! *PLEASE* DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB!! ...YOU'RE DOING *TOO* MUCH ALREADY!!


"is to make a better, more peaceful world."

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE *YOU* BECKY - EXCEPT THAT, I'M AFRAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT **TOO** MANY!!


"Some of my work with homeless issues is in that vein."

WELL..., I GUESS IF SOMEONE IS HOMELESS, THEN ANY HAND WITH A CRUST OF BREAD WILL DO ...


"My work on behalf of Israel, is a personal justice issue. As long as I see people in Santa Cruz trashing this great little country left and right like its the most evil force on the planet,"

AND WHAT A *GREAT* LITTLE COUNTRY IT IS, ISN'T IT!?

SORT OF LIKE - REMEMBER? - "POOR LITTLE BELGIUM". OOOPS!! - I FORGOT!!: POOR LITTLE BELGIUM WAS THAT COUNTRY THAT MASSACRED TENS OF MILLIONS OF BLACKS -- AND MAIMED TENS OF MILLIONS *MORE* - IN THE CONGO, WHEN EUROPEANS WENT TO COLONIZE *THERE* TOO!!

WAIT...!! THERE I GO AGAIN...!!: THOSE BLACKS MASSACRED EACH *OTHER* AND THEN *BLAMED* IT ON THE BELGIUMS/LEOPOLD!!

ANYWAY, ALL THOSE ORIGINAL ZIONIST EUROPEAN (AND NOW AMERICAN) JEWS WANTED TO DO WAS TO GET BACK TO THEIR "PROMISED LAND" - "A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE"!! - PROMISED TO THEM "BY GOD"!! - 5,000 YEARS AGO!!


"I feel moved to challenge that crap."

("MOVED"! ..."CRAP"! ...*THAT'S* A JOKE, HUH...!?)

WELL THE WORLD DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO *WITHOUT* PEOPLE LIKE *YOU* BECKY!!

(MAYBE BREATHE A LITTLE EASIER, AND LIVE A LOT MORE PEACEFULLY.)

WELL, BECKY... *THANKS* EVER SO MUCH FOR GIVING US A GREAT PEEK INTO BECKY'S BRAIN.

I CAN *CERTAINLY* SAY THAT IT'S BEEN..., WELL..., VERY 'ENGLIGHTENING', BECKY!!

INDEED..., QUITE BREATHTAKING!!


...OKAY, CT!: SHE'S *ALLL* YOURS!!

TAKE HER AWAY!! ***PUH-LEEEZE***!!!

HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!


[CYMBALS] ***TSCHHH!!!***...

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"YO BECKY!!: since *ONE*, *SINGLE* POINT can so drastically and instantaneously reverse your mind..."
by YO BECKY!! - fm JA!! 05 Feb 2005

-EXCEPT THAT JEW WERE NOT THE FIRST PEOPLE TO LIVE IN PALESTINE AND THAT PALESTINE WAS NOT "A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE" (you know, those 750,000+ Palestinian refugees in 1948 alone?). OR DO YOU PICK AND CHOOSE *WHICH* POINT SPARKS AN EPIPHANY IN YOU?

WHY HAVEN'T YOU ANSWERED THE CHALLENGE FROM THE OTHER THREAD?:

Cut-&-Paste:

Becky [rhetorical question asserting that Israel was attacked by those vicious Palestinians]: "What was the root cause of the 1956 war _against_ Israel?"

beckyjohnsonis_really_fullofshit: "Why don't you just google "the 1956 suez crisis" or "the 1956 suez war" with any other appropriate key words and report back to us about _who_ _actually_ started the war and what u.s. president eisenhower did about it?"

YOU'VE BEEN *AVOIDING* THAT QUESTION LIKE THE PLAGUE!!

WHAT'S UP!!


And you *still* haven't answered the question: Are/were you married to a Zionist Jew or do you have a close relative or inlaw who is a Zionist Jew - or a Zionist (past/present) Jewish boyfriend? Or do you somehow exoticize or romanticize "the Jews?

IT'S LIKE YOU'RE MORE 'JEWISH' THAN THE *JEWS*!!

(I know what you said, they're a "slow" people and can't speak up for themselves.)

'FESS UP, BECKY!!: There's *SOME* reason that you *HAVEN'T* told us about why *one* *single* point or dispute about who shot one Palestinian child could suddenly have you swerving into reverse direction: that now the Palestinians are all *WRONG* (and kill their own kids in the heat of 'drunken' Islamic religious ferver; of course that doesn't explain the *Chrisian* and *secular* Palestinians; unless the Christian Palestinians shot their kids on Christmas, overcome by the birth of Christ!) and that the Zionists Jews are all *RIGHT*.

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Joseph Anderson is a progressive Bay Area activist and occasional contributing political commentary writer or guest columnist to various publications.

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