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THE COST OF THE WAR IN IRAQ — Homepage EMBEDABLE COUNTER — + 3 Important Websites!

by Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA Saturday, Sep. 11, 2004 at 9:04 PM

Now that over 1,000 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and about 7,000 maimed and seriously wounded there — American soldiers who have killed about 15 *TIMES* that many Iraqis and maimed and wounded perhaps 10's of 1,000's of Iraqis — it's time to post this again. This was first posted by me, JA, July 25, 2003 (just a little over a year ago):



THE COST OF THE WAR IN IRAQ — Homepage EMBEDABLE COUNTER — + 3 Important Websites!

Check out 3 new/updated progressive websites -- and a home/webpage embedable monetary "COST OF THE WAR" counter. Good tools especially for progressives. And FANTASTIC, INSPIRING anti-war photos from around the world!

The first website recommendation is from Oakland's "Lake Merritt Neighbors Organized 4 Peace" (LMNOP), written about internationally.

This is the group that has STEADFASTLY and UNFLAGGINGLY had weekly, quietly eloquent, Lake Merritt Sunday Peace Walks of varying size--depending on what is going on in whatever American war--every Sunday at 3:00pm, starting at the northeast columns of the lake. Bring you own signs and/or help wave to the many passing people in cars who *still* very HEARTILY honk in support. It's a great way to get out, realize just how much great support the anti-war movement still has, get some excercise, have an enjoyable walk around the lake with, and MEET KINDRED SPIRIT PEOPLE!!

A *GREAT*, *INSPIRING*, *CREATIVE* WEBSITE!

There's *GREAT ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT PHOTOS* FROM AROUND THE WORLD!!

PHOTOS you probably haven't seen yet and OF INTERNATIONAL MARCHES/RALLIES/DEMOS you probably didn't know about!

Also website is chocked full of well-organized information about Peace issues in general, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine, as well as civil liberties and anti-nuclear issues.

There's also a great chronicle--an article of record--of the "Battle of the Port of Oakland" police fiasco!

There you will also find "THE COST OF THE WAR IN IRAQ" COUNTER and a way to EMBED IT IN YOUR OWN HOMEPAGE/WEBPAGE/WEBSITE.

Bookmark:

http://lmno4p.org/

and its associated

http://costofwar.com/



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And then there's

PROGRESSIVE PUNCH!:

These variously compiled composite percentages include ALL CONGRESSIONAL VOTING RECORDS--BY MEMBER (AND THEIR RATING/RANK) OR BY ISSUE--going back to January, 1991 or whenever a given member of Congress was first elected to his/her present office, whichever came later. These statistics are compiled on a broad range of issues and apply a progressive analysis to the votes cast. Search out what the rascals (and the *very* few good guys/gals) are--or have been--up to!

Bookmark:

http://www.progressivepunch.org



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Finally:

A Web site called IRAQ COALITION CASUALTY COUNT:

is TRACKING THE DEATHS, BY WHATEVER CAUSE, OF U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL IN IRAQ, based on official Pentagon and CENTCOM press releases and Army Times and CNN casualty trackers. Their current count--as yet of this writing--is 85 since May 2.

Looking at the entire war, there was much fanfare Thursday, July 17, over the fact that the latest U.S. combat death this week pushed the official total to 148 -- finally topping the 147 figure for Gulf War I. [The media figure is now over 150.] However, according to the Iraq Coalition Casualty Count, the total number of all U.S. deaths, combat and otherwise, in Iraq is actually 224.

Bookmark:

http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx



OR BOOKMARK THIS ENTIRE WEBPAGE FOR REFERENCE!

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The Hidden Casualties in Iraq Overview

by Botie Monday, Sep. 13, 2004 at 3:55 PM



Thousands of injured and ill soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan are not being counted in the Pentagon's official tally of the wounded because they are considered "non-hostile" casualties. Some say that if they were included, it would triple the total casualty count. The Pentagon claims that until NOW's (Bill Moyers' PBS-TV program) request, it hadn't been asked for those numbers. But, critics say these often debilitating injuries are not being reported in order to keep Americans from getting a clear picture of the human cost of war. NOW's Michele Mitchell profiles some of these soldiers who may spend the rest of their lives scarred and disabled, but whose sacrifices are not being counted by the nation they served.

Some watchdog groups suggest that even the combat casualty numbers for Operation Iraqi Freedom released by the Department of Defense are not fully accurate. Journalists like those at NOW have had a hard time tracking down numbers for non-combat wounded. Indeed, the detailed wounded "Military Wounded in Action" reports released by the Department of Defense Directorate of Information Operations have a section labeled for non-hostile casualties which has been left blank. (See the report for Operation Iraqi Freedom since May 1, 2004, PDF)

Non-combat deaths have been counted by federal government for many of America's wars. In some instances, non-combat fatalities far outstripped combat deaths. For example, in the chaos of the American Civil war, 184,594 died on both sides from combat, 373,458 additional people lost their lives to disease, malnutrition and accident. In the Mexican-American War fully ten times as many soldiers died of non-combat causes, mostly disease, as died in battle. In the first Gulf War, battle deaths were only 148, non-battle deaths in the war theater reached 235 and non-battle non-theater deaths totalled 914. As figures for wounded historically outstrip those killed, some say the missing non-combat wounded numbers may indeed be much higher than the casuality totals now tracked.

Read the whole article on PBS/NOW with Bill Moyers:

http://www.pbs.org/now/society/casualties.html

.

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WE MUST NOT FORGET!!: IraqBodyCount.net

by Botie Wednesday, Sep. 15, 2004 at 7:19 PM

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“Change the channel”

-- Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt's advice to Iraqis who see TV images of innocent civilians killed by coalition troops.

Also see:

IRAQ BODY COUNT: Civilians Reported Killed by U.S. Military Intervention in Iraq

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

There was no "benchmark" recognition when indiscriminate Iraqi civilian deaths passed the 1,000 mark -- not even when it passed the 5,000 or 10,000 mark. To the Western media, Iraqi civilian deaths are nothing to be mourned -- no more than the thousands of Palestinian civilian deaths at the hand of a settler-colonial apartheid state, or indiscriminate Afghan civilian deaths (and about 1 million, if you count the decade-long U.S.-provoked and sustained war with the Soviets), or indiscriminate Panamanian civilian deaths, or the *millions* of indiscriminate Vietnamese civilian deaths, ... And yet we have the nerve to wonder -- in psychological denial -- "Why do they hate us?"

This "Iraq Body Count" at the web address above is a fairly reserved count of confirmable and confirmed deaths. This count does NOT include Iraqi resistance fighters who died defending their country from the U.S.-imperialist occupation of their--i.e., the *Iraqis'*--land and the puppet regime the U.S. has set up. Even the establishment/coporate news (CBS News, in particular)--which always tends to undercount civilian deaths by the U.S. military--says the number of civilian deaths is at least (currently) 20,000. And other reasonable estimates are as high as (currently) about 37,000. The albeit broad 20,000 to 40,000 range is reasonable, as Israel killed about 20,000 civilians in its then invasion of Lebanon in 1982 (Israel also invaded in 1978) in a relatively smaller war.

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fresca

by absolutely Wednesday, Sep. 15, 2004 at 7:29 PM

"Iraqi civilian deaths are nothing to be mourned -- no more than the thousands (well, okay, hundreds of hamas supporters) of Palestinian civilian deaths"

Exactly.

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Zionist 'morality'

by Botie Wednesday, Sep. 15, 2004 at 8:37 PM

Zionist: "...well, okay, hundreds of hamas supporters..."



"ZIONIST 'MORALITY' " and the political connection of Zionist interests between Palestine and Iraq (both countries that the West has imperialized/colonized) -- as spoken by a Zionist him-/herself: Apparently, 'all the U.S. military indiscriminately killed, maimed, and seriously wounded Iraqi civilians (men, women, children, babies, the elderly, the infirmed, regardless) were "hamas supporters" and therefore *deserved* to die.'

And apparently, by Zionist 'morality', the "hundreds of hamas [an organization that Israel once greatly supported to pit against the PLO] supporters" justifies the Israeli killing of 1,000's of Palestinians -- just in recent years -- and the historical Zionist dispossession of about 6 million (an ironic number) Palestinians.

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fresca

by correction Thursday, Sep. 16, 2004 at 3:35 AM

"Palestine and Iraq (both countries that the West has imperialized/colonized)"

"palestine" never was and still isn't a country.

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Zionists asses

by Torgue Thursday, Sep. 16, 2004 at 11:29 AM

One thing is certain. Palestine existed for centuries before 'Israel' ever did.

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fresca

by uh...actually not Thursday, Sep. 16, 2004 at 1:13 PM

Turns out you're wrong again.

"palestine" is derived from the word philistine which was what the Romans at one point started calling Israel in a derogatory fashion.

"palestine" as a culture, language, country or anything else that would seperate it as it's own entity simply has never existed.

Until 1967 that is when the "palestinians" decided that Israel should return the land it rightfully gained from Egypt, Syria and Jordan to the "palestinians".

Crazy logic I know, but then we are talking about a mythical people.

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At least the Romans knew how to deal with it

by Torgue Thursday, Sep. 16, 2004 at 1:31 PM

They also got tired of the blood lust of these troublesome tribes and evicted them. Not the Philistines but the Jews. At least they allowed them to take their possesions. There was peace afterwards.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Sep. 16, 2004 at 3:44 PM

the shitpile strategy...

...it's easier to murder if you don't believe they exist in the first place...

...whatever delusion makes your miserable existence livable, shitpile...

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fresca

by uh...yeah Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 2:47 AM

"There was peace afterwards. "

I think that's what Hitler was going for.

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I think that's what Hitler was going for

by ? Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 10:51 AM

And the co operation between the zionists and the third riech is also well documented. Hitler was the best friend of the zionists. What an ass. Now Israel uses the same ideology of the Nazis. Just like you do, fresca as Israel uses the same methods of ethnic genocide towards these, to use your phrases, inhuman animals. Right out of the Nazis playbook.

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fresca

by rolling eyes Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 4:11 PM

"Hitler was the best friend of the zionists. "

Uh yeah,...I'm all ears. Can't wait to see all this documentation. That Herzl and Hitler both had common goals..all Jews out of Germany ..is hardly the stuff of a confederation.

Now of course, Hitler and many arab leaders also shared common goals AND communication and support in their attempts to MURDER Jews. But you already know that don't you.

Do you have any idea what a fool you make yourself out to be with statements like this?

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yup

by ? Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 4:24 PM

type in

Hitler was the best friend of the zionists

on Google.

Jackass.

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fresca

by yeah..okay Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 7:13 PM

Wanna try again fool?

Please..type it yourself and fill us all in.

Any other inane conspiracy theories you'd like to put forth?

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ok dipshit

by - Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 7:37 PM

one of many results......................

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/opposition/cannonfodder.htm

"-As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.

So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt.

Hateful views of Jews as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933."-

As the spokes beak of the ADL you really follow the pattern.

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fresca

by absolutely Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 10:12 PM

"The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends"

Are you actually serious or just fucking around?

I hazard to think that you might actually be as dimwitted as you seem.

That Herzl realized that the persecution of Jews (which had already been going on unabated for )centuries) would only strengthen his plans to have Jews unite to form their own country is common sense.

In fact, this same persecution is pretty much the whole reason for the genesis of Zionism to begin with idiot.

But realizing that the horrors of antisemitism and Jewish persecution and the pogroms would only drive more jJews to Zionism is a long, long, long motherfucking way from Zionists being best friends with Hitler.

You've made an utter fool of yourself. You've been refuted.

Now google up some more nonsense.

But actually read it and UNDERSTAND it this time.

IMC gets dumber and dumber everyday.

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ha ha

by - Friday, Sep. 17, 2004 at 11:56 PM

A few months after Hitler came to power, the leading German Zionist organization sent Hitler a long memo offering formal collaboration with the Nazis. This stomach-turning memo reads, in part:

On the foundation of the new state, which has established the principle of race, we wish to fit our community into the total structure so that for us too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible . . .

For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the collaboration even of a government fundamentally hostile to Jews, because in dealing with the Jewish question no sentimentalities are involved but a real problem whose solution interests all peoples, and at the present moment especially the German people.34

At the time, collaboration meant that leading organizations of Zionism worked to undermine a world-wide anti-German boycott called to protest the Nazis? anti-Semitism. Instead, the World Zionist Organization worked out a ?Transfer Agreement? by which money from German Jews could be sent to Palestine to finance imports into Germany. Meanwhile, inside Germany, the Nazis shut down all socialist and Jewish resistance organizations and arrested their leaders. But the Nazis allowed the Zionists to operate. An American Zionist leader confessed his embarrassment: ?It was a painful distinction for Zionism to be singled out for favors and privileges by its Satanic counterpart [Nazi Germany].?35

Throughout the 1930s and the Second World War, Zionists always placed the interests of Palestine ahead of fighting anti-Semitism in Europe. Seeking allies against Britain, the Zionist militia, the Haganah, negotiated for support from the German SS. In one secret meeting in Haifa in 1937, Haganah agent Faviel Polkes told the SS?s Adolph Eichmann that ?Jewish nationalist circles are very pleased with the radical German policy, since the strength of the Jewish population would be so far increased? and overwhelm the Palestinians. For a period in the late 1930s, the Nazis allowed Polkes to set up Haganah recruiting and training camps inside Germany. For a period of time, Polkes? sole income was ?secret funds from the SS.?36 The Zionists impressed Eichmann. Years later in exile in Argentina, he recalled ?I did see enough to be very impressed by the way the Jewish colonists were building up their land. I admired their desperate will to live, the more so since I was myself an idealist. In the years that followed I often said to Jews with whom I had dealings that, had I been a Jew, I would have been a fanatical Zionist. I could not imagine being anything else. In fact, I would have been the most ardent Zionist imaginable.?37 This is the man who oversaw Hitler?s Final Solution!

Thousands of Jews, including the rank and file of Zionist groups, resisted Hitler?s attempt to herd them into death camps. Zionists united with Communists and Bundists in the 1943 armed uprising against the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto. But even at the Holocaust?s height, Jewish Agency leaders and settler leaders in Palestine offered little help. ?The disaster facing European Jewry is not directly my business,? said Ben-Gurion in 1943

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fresca

by thanks Saturday, Sep. 18, 2004 at 1:29 AM

Your copy and paste job was very interesting and proved my point perfectly.

Thanks.

Thank you god for making my enemies ridiculous.

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