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911 Commission needs to talk about 911 AM

by condi blows Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 5:56 PM

if the official 911 panel really wanted to know the truth, they'd be asking about 911 morning. like ....


http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/03/condi-terrible_accident.mp3

Weeks before September 11, the Central Intelligence Agency reported to the White House that Osama bin Laden's network was planning imminent attacks on U.S. soil which would be "spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties." They went on to warn that the "attack will occur with little or no warning."

The report, according to Newsweek, "names names, gives dates and provides a body of new information about the handling of many other crucial intelligence briefings -- including one in early August 2001 given to national-security advisor Rice that discussed al Qaeda operations within the United States and the possibility that the group's members might seek to hijack airplanes."
http://www.pittsburghpulp.com/content/2003/05_29/news_pulpit.shtml

and then we have condi (in attached mp3) saying, i thought it was a terrible accident. maybe when they finally demand rice testify publicly, they can ask her why she thought it was a 'terrible accident' even after the specific warning of a 'spectacular' attack and 'hijacked airplanes'.

and of course, it'd be great to see bush testify in public, where he could be asked about these oddities:

1. This video showing bush sitting there listening to 2nd graders read The Pet Goat for 5 min AFTER hearing of the 2nd plane hitting.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm
(note- those are 2nd graders, the 'great' reading skills bush was showing off in premiering his national 'direct instruction' reading program really show you how sad our country has become. 7 yr olds should be reading full chapter books, not repeating in unison.)

2. The attached clip with dubya claiming he saw the 1st plane hit. which tv was he watching? who was broadcasting a pic of the WTC before the 1st plane hit?

3. Bush said on 911 evening in his address to the nation, "immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans." what emergency response plans exactly... could you elaborate dubya? Did you tell the fighter jets to take off? What? What did you tell them to do? Standard procedure would have the jets go up 5 minutes after losing contact with the tower... so what were your orders, oh great commander in chief?

i think we're approaching critical mass, people are finally waking up.... if they lied about the war... what else have they lied about. the house of cards is collapsing, and they are screwed in a catch 22- they don't testify and they look bad, they do testify and they look bad. it's up to you out there to take clips like these to any tv believing sheeple you know... we're so close to tipping the scales and exposing the whole sham.

We should demand a public testimony from these proven liars. I would love to see several of the 9/11 widows do some of the questioning.
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bush saw 1st plane hit

by condi blows Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 5:56 PM

audio: MP3 at 395.3 kibibytes

how did he see the 1st plane hit? no cameras were on the WTC until after the 1st plane hit. Listen to him, he saw it happen and he thought, oh that's a terrible pilot. if he's remembering the video of the 2nd plane, how can he also believe it's a 'terrible pilot' at that point?
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bush's immediate response

by condi blows Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 5:56 PM

audio: MP3 at 24.9 kibibytes

what response? where the fuck were the fighter jets?!
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Rummy's lame excuse

by hesure isabadliar Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 7:18 PM

audio: MP3 at 404.4 kibibytes

Did you notice how Clarke received much praise for apologizing to the 911 families, while bush and co have just been pointing the finger.

check out rummy's latest monstrous lie. This one is huge. Thurs 3/25 on PBS newshour, Lehrer asked Rummy if he felt a sense of failure as Clarke did, rummy says:

That's not my job, this was in domestic airspace and it was a job for domestic law enforcement.

How fucking stupid! Like NYC has F-16s that could've taken off and handled it. What's Rummy saying. NYPD should've alerted all cops and had them run to the top of all tall buildings and shoot the 2nd plane down with their pistols? What the fuck is this lame ass answer.

this is a great example to use to expose the media to clueless americans. Lehrer asks Rummy a good question, then lets him get off with the most fucking ridiculous answer imaginable.


JIM LEHRER: At these 9/11 hearings yesterday, as I reported in the News Summary, and everybody knows now the counter terror, former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, said to the families of the 9/11 victims, "Your government failed you. Those entrusted with protecting you failed you. I failed you." As secretary of defense, do you have any sense of failure concerning what happened on 9/11?

DONALD RUMSFELD: Well, I hate to separate myself as secretary of defense. The Department of Defense, of course, is oriented to external threats. This was a domestic airplane that was operated by people who were in the United States against a United States target, which makes it a law enforcement, historically a law enforcement issue. The Department of Defense's task is one that deals with external threats coming into the United States, and that's what the department is organized, trained and equipped to do.
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Dearest Dumbo

by BA Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 7:42 PM

Neither the Defense Department nor the CIA has jurisdiction within our own borders. That's the FBI, state, and local police.

Rumsfeld is correct. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines are out of the loop on this one and that's by law.

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out of the loop

by yeah Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 8:12 PM

I guess 'terrorists' don't have to worry about the Air National Guard or TAC, huh?
what can you expect from the Navy?
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Blame PC for 9/11

by ergo Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 9:35 PM

That's right. Blame political correctness. Liberal reds want to tie the hands of all law enforcement agencies so a few fucking terrorist A-Rabs' self-esteem isn't hurt. We got what we deserved for taking the sniper scope off these animals.

Imagine if we'd caught the 9/11 killers and arrested them before they could do anything. The cries of "Racism!" from the left would be deafening.

This W. government, as well as shitbird Clinton's regime and Bush Original's never did shit to secure the borders. They're STILL doing nothing.

More people properly dismissing the left for the hysterical whackjobs they are and getting the defense jobs that need doing DONE equals a safer nation. Nothing less.
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wow

by ^ going, going..... Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 10:09 PM

.....gone.
You Riech tards are unraveling.
As incoherent rant above by ergo will attest.
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Spoon-feeding liberal morons

by ergo Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 11:19 PM

"You Riech tards are unraveling. As incoherent rant above by ergo will attest."

It's very simple, my looney lefty friends. When you tie the hands of those whose job it is to protect us over some bullshit Marxian theory of fairness, we are less safe.

For example, according to the FBI: "In 1988, there were ten cases of White men raping Black women, but Black men raped White women in 9,405 cases."

Now the good liberals would demand that whites close their eyes and pretend that there's nothing wrong with such a disparity, that it must all be the fault of "racism" or "racist cops."

Now the liberals are hoping to make Arabs off limits to suspicion when it's PLAIN GODDAMN OBVIOUS which nationailty makes up the bulk of terrorists and supports terrorism.

But these lefty cretins would rather blame Bush and pretend HE flew those planes into the WTC instead of the sandrabs. What a laugh. Stupid trotskyites.

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Careful Ergo

by Disruptive Poster Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2004 at 4:41 AM

Careful Ergo, you're not allowed to speak the truth here in LaLa land.

Keep dispensing truth and you'll soon be required to wear a yellow armband like the rest of us disruptive posters :-)

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2004 at 9:43 AM

Truth? Typical republican....

There is NO documentation from the FBI to support such a claim. The FBI Uniform Crime Report does not include figures on interracial rape, because the FBI does not keep them.

Some racist fuck comes here and spews some long discredited bullshit he found on some neo-nazi website and YOU pat him on the back?

...Now...have some balls, huh? If you wanna hate black people because...well...they're BLACK...then just say so. Just put the hood on as save us the ridiculously laughable non-existant statistics.
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alas, the truth hurts

by ergo Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2004 at 11:51 AM

There is NO documentation from the FBI to support such a claim. The FBI Uniform Crime Report does not include figures on interracial rape, because the FBI does not keep them.

>>> Actually, they DO keep the figures, you just have to look carefully. But lets wonder why the FBI is very cautious to hide the truth from plain view?

Some racist fuck comes here and spews some long discredited bullshit he found on some neo-nazi website and YOU pat him on the back?

>>> Facts be facts. If you don't like the unpleasant truth, go door-to-door and complain to the criminals themselves or that your gods at MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN aren't cloaking the truth well enough. While most blacks are fine, middle-class citizens (which liberals hate cuz they hate prosperity, black criminals commit crimes all out of proportion for being only 13% of the US population.

...Now...have some balls, huh? If you wanna hate black people because...well...they're BLACK...then just say so. Just put the hood on as save us the ridiculously laughable non-existant statistics.

>>> I don't hate blacks, I hate liberals, who in turn hate themselves, their country and blame whites in general. Black people that want to succeed should hate and ignore liberals too.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2004 at 11:58 AM

"Actually, they DO keep the figures"

Actually, they don't. You are a liar.

...but, hey...you're republican, so that is par for the course.
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ergo is great

by more rational Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2004 at 12:28 PM

Ergo - you're awesome.

I thought Bush Admirer was insane, but you're at a whole other level.

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black police racists

by eee Friday, Jul. 02, 2004 at 8:22 AM

Suit alleges racism in Rialto
Police chief faces claim of discrimination against non-black employees
By BRAD A. GREENBERG, Staff Writer

RIALTO - Police Chief Michael Meyers was hired six years ago to clean up racism. He now stands accused of fostering it.
A department that for years was said to be filled with white bigots is now giving preferential treatment to black employees, according to former and current employees and a $10 million lawsuit filed this week in San Bernardino Superior Court.

Meyers dismisses his critics as the bigots who once dominated the department and "needed to go.'

While he and Deputy Chief Arthur Burgess are black, four of their five lieutenants are white; one is Latino. Since he took the top post in May 1998, however, 64 officers including two captains, four lieutenants and seven sergeants have left the Rialto Police Department.

At least six of those former employees are Latino. The overwhelming majority are white. More than a dozen former and current employees contacted by The Sun declined to go on the record because they said they feared retaliation.

In an interview last week, Meyers said employees left because they did not like the changes he made. Many of them had been around during the years preceding Meyers, when claims of racism, sexism and criminal activity were regulary made against the department. "Other individuals in this organization could not deal with the changes in this community, specifically ethnicity,' Meyers said.

During the 1990s, Rialto's Latino population more than doubled to 51 percent. The white percentage of the population was halved, from 44 percent in 1990 to 21.5 percent in 2000. The black population percentage remained near 21 percent.

In 2000, Rialto had a larger population percentage of blacks then any other Inland Empire city, and was the only city where the white population was third largest.

But in the Police Department, whites are still the majority. Of the current sworn employees, 56 are white, 25 are black and 21 are Latino, according to figures released by the chief in May. Five others are Asian and American Indians.

"Change occurred in the community, and the Police Department did not change at the same time,' Meyers said of the demographics. "There was abject racism in the organization.'


ONE OFFICER'S CHARGE
On Monday, a Latino police officer filed a civil suit stating Meyers has engaged in systemic racism against non-black employees. Officer Aaron Vigil claims racism resulted in turmoil that cost him personally and has been a detriment to the community the department serves.

The defendants the city of Rialto, the Police Department, Meyers, Burgess and Officer Robert Carroll had not received the suit as of Wednesday. Meyers referred all questions to City Attorney Bob Owen. "Allegations are easy to make, and we will be looking into it as soon as I get a copy of the complaint,' Owen said.

Vigil, 33, joined the Police Department the same month as Meyers. The father of four is married to a dispatcher in the department. He is on medical leave and is expected to return to work in the next two weeks.

He referred questions to his attorney, Joseph Haytas of Upland. The attorney said the culture in the Police Department has affected officers on the street. "If things are tough at home, things are always tougher on the outside,' Haytas said.

The lawsuit states there were numerous attempts to ruin Vigil's career, even though several black officers hired by Meyers were not disciplined adequately for "egregious conduct.'

Vigil's duties as a field-training officer and SWAT team member were revoked this year after an internal affairs investigation into a "sexually suggestive' e-mail sent to a dispatcher. E-mails unrelated to work are common in any organization, Haytas said. "It certainly was not of a sexual nature,' he said.

About the same time, internal affairs investigated claims he had groped a female officer. Nothing was found. Two years earlier, then-dispatcher Carla McCullough accused Vigil of making a racist remark about another female employee. An internal investigation cleared him.

In Vigil's lawsuit and in documents obtained by The Sun, the conduct of black officers Darrell Lockley and Roddrick Clayton and Sgt. McCullough were called into question. Vigil claims they got preferential treatment because of their race. Other current and former officers contacted by The Sun made the same accusations.


CHECKING UP
Lockley was convicted of two counts of felony check forgery in 1990. His convictions were reduced to misdemeanors, according to documents filed in Los Angeles Superior Court in 1995.

He also failed background checks made by the CHP, Torrance, Compton and Los Angeles Park police departments, according to a confidential investigative memo obtained by The Sun.

Lockley, who was hired in 1999, declined three requests for comment. In the memo, a background investigator told Meyers he had "serious concerns about keeping Lockley on the payroll.' Meyers told The Sun he is not obligated to explain why he hired someone convicted of check forgery. The memo states that Lockley's criminal history will jeopardize his "integrity and credibility as a witness in a court of law.'

"You can imagine the jury thinking, 'How can I really trust you if you were arrested for theft? If you lied once, why wouldn't you lie again?'' said UCLA criminal law professor Sharon Dolovich.


THE DISPATCHER


McCullough once was placed on a performance improvement plan after she failed to finish police reports in a timely manner once holding onto a traffic collision report for more than 90 days, according to a confidential memo dated September 1998.

In a telephone interview last week, she said she was never ordered into such a program, and she is sure that document is not in her personnel file. "Maybe it was something proposed that never got me,' she said.

In January 1999, Internal Affairs pursued an "investigation leading to possible criminal charges against Officer McCullough for falsifying reports,' according to another confidential memo. It is unclear if the case was forwarded to the District Attorney's Office. Charges were never filed.

Two months later, McCullough received a letter of reprimand from Meyers because she was seen driving around with the "N' word on her license plate holder. She said a friend gave her the holder because it had the lyrics to a rap song she liked.


OFF-DUTY DEFENSE
Clayton was arrested Dec. 23, 2000, on suspicion of shoving his ex-girlfriend, Euridici Johnson, and then waiving a department-issued handgun at two of her friends who were trying to pull her away, according to police reports. The officer was off-duty at the time. Clayton did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

In the police report, Clayton admitted pulling out his gun, but he said it was in self-defense. Witnesses to the incident said Clayton had pointed his gun at them as they were trying to take his ex-girlfriend back into the apartment. Three weeks later, the District Attorney's Office declined to file charges. "I'm not saying no crime was committed,' Deputy District Attorney Vic Stull said at the time. "I'm saying we didn't think we could prove it without a shadow of a doubt.'


'PEOPLE CAN CHANGE'
State law prohibits Chief Meyers from commenting about the personnel issues of Lockley, Clayton or McCullough without their permission. He said he would not ask them to waive their privacy rights to explain the situations.

Speaking generally about hiring and retention standards, Meyers said he is not opposed to hiring somebody who learned from the mistakes they made earlier in life. "People can change,' he said.

Last year, Lockley and Clayton received Medals of Valor for saving two children. In May, a semi-annual two-day investigation by the Commission on Police Officer Standards and Training reported hiring and training standards at the Police Department met state regulations.

Whoever leaked confidential documents to The Sun is frustrated by the success of black employees in the Police Department, Meyers said. The chief has asked an outside agency to find those who slipped the confidential documents to the press. He declined to say which agency.

"You'd have to be blind to think that the only people who have ever done anything wrong in this organization are African-American,' he said.

In April, white Officer John Candias was punished for working as a private investigator for Rancho Cucamonga teen Greg Haidl, who is charged in a high-profile gang-rape case. Rialto police officers must have administrative approval to do private investigations. Working for a defense team is not permitted. Meyers would not discuss details of the punishment.


THE PREDECESSOR
Before Meyers was hired, the department had five chiefs in six years. The city's first black chief, Dennis Hegwood, abruptly resigned after four years.

Hegwood said rank-and-file officers discriminated against him. The police union said it was Hegwood's inability, not race, that motivated a no-confidence vote in the former Los Angeles Housing Authority lieutenant.

Meyers took the job in the midst of a Department of Justice investigation into allegations of racism and sexism. The former Oakland deputy chief was expected to end the allegations and lawsuits. He now is a party to one.

http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208~12588~2245129,00.html
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