Brother Ron Kovic, disabled Vietnam War veteran and long time antiwar activist is seen in his wheel chair, leading a prayer around a pile of shoes and combat boots laid out in regimental formation, representing the Iraqi civilians and U.S. occupation soldiers killed since the start of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. This protest marking the first anniversary of the illegal U.S. war, took place at the Los Angeles Federal Building in Westwood, Calif. Now... gather your forces. Take to the streets with the people of the world on March 20th! No to Imperialism! No to Occupation! No to War! (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)

ostriches with their heads in the sand never changed a damn thing.

sleep if you like. the rest of us live in a post 9/11 world where evil exists and always has.

Some are duped into believing that this was a crusade against evil.

The other 95% of the population knows this war was motivated by Bush business interests.

At the very least, do a search for "Teapot Dome".

Yeah. I guess this poor sob was duped too:

Khaled Abood Saiidi holds a photograph of his brother missing since 1984 as he looks for information about him at the Association. . The Association of Free Prisoners has taken the lead in collecting, recording and safeguarding former regime documentation pertaining to the imprisonment, abuse, execution and disappearance of so-called political detainees by the former Iraqi régime. The AFP will publicize this information as a resource for those abused and their families. USAID's Office of Transition Initiatives ,300 grant has provided the AFP with basic office equipment, computers, desks and filing cabinets so that they can carry out the activities they have already started more effectively. Subsequently, OTI's Abuse Prevention Unit will assess what support will enable the AFP to establish an effective presence in the governorates.

If Kovic and his fellow travelers had their way -- Saiidi would be in a mass grave for doing this.

But then, Kovic supported the conquering of South Vietnam by one of the another brutal regime! So who should be surprised?

Pull your head out.

We were the invaders, you asshole.

That's why we got repelled. They had the home field advantage: "we're protecting our homes, and our fields." Or rice paddies as the case may be.

Today, it's oil fields.

All this continuing bullshit using trite jingo's like "No war for oil" is becoming so pathetic.

The anti-war bunch will choke themselves to death screaming these inanities without any evidence whatsoever of their validity. That this war was started for oil or resources is simply without merit.

Why is there a united absolute mandate on the left to deny the existence of GLOBAL Islamic terrorism? It really is incredible. These savges murder 200+ people in Spain last week and not a single word about THEM. Just immediate condemnation of those who are fighting them. It's just crazy and paints the left as lunatics.

Some on the far left, like our resoident sheepdog and his fellow ostriches actually goes as far as to deny that these terrorists even exist. These bombings are NEVER done by terrorists. They are ALL done by Bush and the Jews. How can anyone actually give that kind of thinking seroius consideration?

The anti-war movement will forever be respected by me, at least, for wanting to have a world where there are no war's. I couldn't agree more. BUT. Their mantra that this can only be accomplished by denying the existence of a heinous enemy, or worse, blaming us for the enemies actions is simply loathsome and doomed to fail. Peace works both ways. Both sides need to stop fighting. We could stop today but these simple savages of IslaISM will never stop until they are dead.

To think otherwise is simply dangerous naitivity.

So you want us to ignore the obvious and buy that bullshit that this war was about terrorism?

That's just plain stupid.

Hey, but you've made your decision, shitpile, why am I not surprised that it was a stupid one?

Oh...and it's "naiveté", idiot....

"So you want us to ignore the obvious and buy that bullshit that this war was about terrorism? "

So what is the obvious then?

There have been no thefts of any oil. No thefts of any resources at all. Whine all you want but you'll find even less evidence of that than the existence of WMD.

What exactly are your thoughts on Islamic terrorism?

Do you even accept it's existence? Do you believe that it's warranted? Are you against any and all efforts to combat it?

Why is the notion that we have gone to war to kill this enemy so unnacceptable to you? If you even accept that Islamic terrorism exists, what's your solution to it? Rolling over like Spain?

Tell me, I'm all ears.

I suspect I'll get another quick childish remark utterly dodging the question.

....sure...all theiving was legal and above board...

...geez, you live in a fairyworld, don't ya...only a scary one with winged koranimals flying around every corner...

...fuckin' delusional douchebag....you must shit your pants every time your doorbell rings....this war had as much to do with terrorism as with the price of tea in China (...but a good Gong Fu tea, none of those cheap tourist Oolongs...)

The reason the left never condemns terrorists is because they are, themselves, the focus of evil in our world.

The left has continually stood up for mass murderers and against the world's freest country. They sided with Stalin over FDR, Mao over Truman, Ho over LBJ, Castro over JFK, Gorbachev over Reagan, Sadaam over W.

At some point, the "peace, love, hope" rhetoric of the left becomes exposed as what it is: a transparent sham.

...the "left" never condemns terrorism....

...riiiight...

idiot

"....sure...all theiving was legal and above board... "

Right. And again, absolutely no evidence of any of this theiving (sic). But you don't need any ecidence do you? I mean, it must be happening right? What a dick.



"...the "left" never condemns terrorism.... "

Absolutely! The left has never categorically condemned the actions of these fucking animals. You don't have it in you. Because to do that would be to agree with something that the rest of the country sees as obvious. And that idea just kills you.

So yeah, the left does not condemn terrorism. It hardly even believes in it. "Palestinian" homicide bugs are called "freedom fighters". 9-11 was committed by remote controlled aircraft. Indonesian, sudanese, Spanish et.al attcks are simply ignored.

The left has absolutely no credibility. Especially when it comes to speaking about the War. Until you acknowledge that there's an enemy, just shut up and let the rest of us carry on with this thing until the last swarthy savage is exterminated.

"Tell me, I'm all ears.

I suspect I'll get another quick childish remark utterly dodging the question.

"

I sure did call that one didn't I?

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/03/105452.php



Vote Bush - Keep Farce aLIVE!

Bush not the problem - he is just a stupid coke head - the Rich who control everything and the average amerikans who are strongly fascist supporters - or soon to be -

Okay...bottom line...bolivia is just another third world gutter state.

Please keep your unevolved ramblings south of the border where they can bounce around with all the other malformed latino musings.

The Left not only doesn't condemn terrorism -- they support all kinds of terrorist organizations and they always have. The PLO is only the most famous.

>this war had as much to do with terrorism as with the price of tea in China

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And when you're told one day that you either need to bend the knee to worship Allah or die the death of the infidel, we may offer you some tea right before we chop off your head.

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....your posts amount to "These people we disagree with don't say what we want them to say"...

...pussies.....

...and "swarthy savage" shitpile?....and you talk of "credibility"?

...please...fuckin' racist eunuch...

...and just in case there is any doubters left...

shitpile: "Please keep your unevolved ramblings south of the border where they can bounce around with all the other malformed latino musings."

No, not much room left for doubters, huh shitpile. But tell me, would you classify that as a clear and direct answer or a quick childish remark utterly dodging the point?

...whadda douche....

"And when you're told one day that you either need to bend the knee to worship Allah or die the death of the infidel, we may offer you some tea right before we chop off your head. "

...geez, another one of those "koranimals-under-your-bed" lunatics...

...yes, those MUZLIMBS are going to take over the country...BOOGIE BOOGIE...

HA!

So, all your hysteria aside, I guess it's fair to say that you simply don't belive that Islamic extremists have routinely attacked the US and numerous other countries and cultures over the last several decades.

That's cool. If that's what you need to believe.

It's rididculous but if that's your fantasy, go for it.

Of course I know you live in a world where the Big Bad Oil companies and their henchmen in the US Armed Forces are out to get you at every turn.

whooooo!

BTW. To be called a "racist" by the likes of you for simply observing the continuing murders committed almost daily by Islamists is a badge of honor.

Gotcha!

"But tell me, would you classify that as a clear and direct answer or a quick childish remark utterly dodging the point?"



Considering that there WAS NO point in that semi-English gibberish our handicapped bolivian friend graced us with, my reply will obviously be considered a clear and very direct rebuttal of the credibility of his efforts. If he is bound and determined to try and communicate his quaint ideas he needs to raise his level of discourse above that of a coca chewing peasant scratching animal pictures onto a cave wall.

Now, please don't tell me you have a problem with that.

Why not get his email and help the poor soul into the developed world.

shitpile: "BTW. To be called a "racist" by the likes of you for simply observing the continuing murders committed almost daily by Islamists is a badge of honor. "

...are you talking about those Latino Islamists in Bolivia?

...cowardly racist fuck, you ain't got one hair on your ass, ladyboy, not ONE FUCKIN' HAIR! Grow some you pussy....

shitpile: "Now, please don't tell me you have a problem with that. "

naaa...I feel the same way about your spoor...now only if you could raise your level of discourse to about that of ...oh...say your average coca chewing peasant scratching animal pictures onto a cave wall...well then maybe you will be worth answering.

...but I don't think you can pull it off...no balls.

I believe if you'll scroll up the page just a bit to one of your previous typings, you'll see that you called me a racist, thank you very much, in reference to my use of the completely acceptable and irrefutable term of "swarthy savages" which, of course, is a simple staement of description for the vast majority of Islamists.

There's been no mention of Bolivian muslims. I'm sure there are some but as long as they haven't thrown their lot in with ISLAMISTS (certainly you must know the difference by now...if not...read) I have no problem with them

Of course, that they live in the third world enclave of Bolivia is apt to be problematic for them.

...you mean Bolivian's aren't swarthy?

...you really are a eunuch, aren't you. Have the balls to admit it, would ya, even if you have to borrow 'em for the night....

Jesus.

not only do you think in two dimensions, but you presume to think you know anything about my attitudes... All you seem to know is the process of labeling someone or something you know nothing about.

LIke his liberal descendants, Marx (Karl, not Richard) also thought every last motive was based on economics. Even dead, the son of a bitch is STILL wrong.

Without the CIA we would never would have had Saddam in power in the first place.

Walker is a moron.

Ah yes, another lefty excuse for everything: the CIA.

The CIA created Stalin, Mao, Marx and Lenin. The CIA made Clinton screw Monica. The CIA pumps drugs into the ghetto. The CIA "allowed" 9/11 to happen. The CIA made Saddam invade Kuwait. The CIA made the Iranians shout "Death to America" in the 80s. The CIA--not Saddam!--put all those Iraqis in the shredder. The CIA created the Viet Cong. The CIA created the USSR. Why Cain would never have slain Abel if not for CIA meddling.

Being called a moron by a doof is who is MORE WRONG with every post needs to find a better exchange rate for his/er insult currency.

YOU GOT SERVED AGAIN BY THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT. HA HA HA.

Are you a tard?

Oh yes I guess it's obvious.

You really don't know shit about anything do you?

Your being a blithering fool doesn't make what I said wrong.

“Saddam was A BAD MAN.

This is the only drum you can beat apparently.

I think the village you wandered away from wants its idiot back.

We have Walker with an apparent IQ in the 150 - 160 range.

And we also have B&B with an IQ in the 50 - 60 range.

This is an unfair debate. I feel so sorry for B & B getting his ass whipped like this.

*** This comment was posted from an IP associated with a disruptive poster. The MD5 hash of their IP is dffceccebab. This value is the same even if the user uses another name. Only posters deemed disruptive by the editorial collective will have this text appended to their posts. We apologize for any erroneous misidentifications.

Another very good example of a CIA-organized "regime change" was a coup in

1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and

murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's

beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was

Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for

covert actions, like organizing coups. Helms served in that capacity until

1966, when he was made Director.

http://www.ddh.nl/pipermail/wereldcrisis/2002-October/003148.html

then there is, for further reading for the non retarded:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Chin111402/chin111402.html

http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/saddam.htm

"Are you a tard?

Oh yes I guess it's obvious.

You really don't know shit about anything do you?"

If that's so, then the situation is FAR worse for you.

"Your being a blithering fool doesn't make what I said wrong. "

And yet you haven't proven your case. At all. You can't put the CIA's actions into a proper context because you're perhaps just parroting what someone else said?



“Saddam was A BAD MAN.

This is the only drum you can beat apparently."

What this means for you is I don't have to walk but three steps to grab some more evidence from the Obvious pile to crush your viewpoint. One thing you lefties need to learn is that people are waaayyy smarter than you think. "The masses" can and do approve of eliminating terrorism.

But perhaps you should stay in denial. Don't let the thousands of corpses Saddam made get in the way of Zack de la Cockroacha's RAGE AGAINST THE BLEEM horseshit. It takes a special mind to ignore the elephant in the living room in order to complain about a flea or two.

"I think the village you wandered away from wants its idiot back."

If not for CIA chemtrails you wouldn't know what to think.

Unlock your lips from my butt cheeks and and take a breather.

More from the floor.

Iraqis have always suspected that the 1963 military coup that set Saddam Husain on the road to absolute power had been masterminded by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). New evidence just published reveals that the agency not only engineered the putsch but also supplied the list of people to be eliminated once power was secured - a monstrous stratagem that led to the decimation of Iraq's professional class.

http://www.geocities.com/vwp27/iraq63

In the first link you put up I found this line:

"The CIA supply intelligence to the Ba'athists on communists and radicals to be rounded up."

So the information at these links is rather heavily biased but I'll humor you.

From the 50s to the early 90s, the #1 threat to the free world (of which leftists do not approve because this also includes evil corporations) was communism. For all the unstoppable powers they're credited with corporations still remain at the mercy of stockholders and consumers. They provide goods and services which people need and want whereas a communist state provides only mayhem, murder and mismanagement.

The number of people killed by communist regimes is so high that it really has no impact. The human mind simply can't conceive 100 million people murdered worldwide.

For all its errors, foibles and outright criminal mischief (assuming that all of it is true, which is doubtful) the CIA’s mission was to STOP COMMUNISM. But because one can't always choose upright character in one's allies, out of necessity the CIA, and the USA in an official capacity, sometimes cut deals with shit-eating dictators and other scum. We had to choose the lesser of two evils to fight the greater evil.

In the 80s the Iranians were the ones shouting DEATH TO AMERICA. So at that time, Saddam was an ally. When the Reds invaded Afghanistan, Shitsama bin laden was the one opposing them, and so we aided his merry band of towelheads.

Now that communism is nearly finished worldwide, the newer, more volatile threat is the violent remnants of Stone Age culture known as Middle Easterners. Once the jewel of the world, Muslim culture stalled centuries ago and the West outpaced it.

In the post 9-11 world, Islamofascists are the 'new' enemies of Western civilization. They hate the freedom and technology YOU take for granted, "corporate exploitation" and all. It’s that simple.

For all the complainin' going on, no American posting to this site from any point on the political spectrum went hungry tonight or was shot for expressing discontent with the system. Something to ponder.

It's worse than Communism.

Good to see someone going to the trouble of talking sense into these clagnut dimwits.

These losers deserve to have been born in a toilet of a country like North Korea, they abuse their liberties.

To put it more succinctly:

Whether it's death row inmates who write children's books or some tin shitpot dictator in Zamboombia, there hasn't been a worthless animal or cause that members of the liberal Al-Qaeda won't fawn over the way gays coo over Liza. They'd cut out their own tongues before saying anything good about the Founding Fathers or America.

Intellectually, most lefties are what is known in military circles as 'acceptable losses.' Each and every one of you should put on one of those protest boots and kick each other in the ass.

Thank God I'm on the side that believes in the right to bear arms and doesn't asslick the almighty State.

The B&B Gaybird factory is closed.

Talk about unamerican activities.....

This moron dosent have a clue.

Thank god for the right to bear arms?

Can you carry a concealed weapon (no)

Can you own an assault rifle (no)

Can you just go buy a gun (no)

Can you buy ammo without ID (no)

Can you have a dagger, billy club, brass knuckles,nun chackus, or others without a permit (no)

Freedom without infringement....remember

the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

Well, iguess if the government run by King george tells you what the Constitution means---it must be the Truth.

Shit, you already bought the soldiers Dying for Wmds

...oh wait...there were none.

Of course, i'm sure you supported the Taliban when our govt. funded them--when we hated Russia.

Flip flop

flip flop

Im sure the acceptable losses in Iraq wouldn't be so acceptable if it was your son or father that died.

What a great thread. Walker you have my admiration. Completely agree with Barney and Impartial Observer. Excellent.

Talk about unamerican activities.....

This moron dosent have a clue.

Thank god for the right to bear arms?

Can you carry a concealed weapon (no)

Can you own an assault rifle (no)

Can you just go buy a gun (no)

Can you buy ammo without ID (no)

Can you have a dagger, billy club, brass knuckles,nun chackus, or others without a permit (no)

>>>>. Hold the phone, JAMES. Who supports the banning of guns? THE LEFT. If it were up to me even you left-ards could all walk around armed to the teeth. Just don't expect to live long if you harm someone else without cause.

"Freedom without infringement....remember

the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed? "

Well, iguess if the government run by King george tells you what the Constitution means---it must be the Truth.

>>> Dude, wake the fuck up. You're holding the history book upside down (oh wait, it was written that way by liberall kollij professors)

The LEFT is the side trying to ban all personal weapons...they're the ones that want a nation of defenseless serfs.

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Shit, you already bought the soldiers Dying for Wmds

...oh wait...there were none.

>>> The world consensus was that there WERE wmds....so if you want to call bush a 'liar'--like all you parrots do---be sure to add clinton, the cia chief who advised clinton, most democraps and most of the world's leaders.

Since Saddam's fall, we've learned a lot more about the dangers of the world, including Libya's grab for wmd and that pakistani sandscum selling nuclear secrets. 12 years of Saddam thumbing his nose at the world was long enough. And the millions of his own people he put in shredders weren't too fucking concerned about chemical weapons, which had already been used.

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"Of course, i'm sure you supported the Taliban when our govt. funded them--when we hated Russia. "

>>>> Well, unlike you Socialist Utopians, people in the real world have to sometimes choose the lesser of two evils....so yeah, at that time if the Taliban was our best hope of beating back the Reds, yeah, we DID support them. And we supported Iraq when Iran was shouting 'death to america.'

I won't ask you which side of american politics wanted to 'appease' russia and always blamed america. even YOU can figure out that one, JAMES.

Oh yes, we were 'meanies' to hate Russia...communism 'only' killed 100 million people worldwide.

the only flip-flop here is on your birkenstock-wearing toesies.

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"Im sure the acceptable losses in Iraq wouldn't be so acceptable if it was your son or father that died."



Unlike you neo-hippie folks HIDING in the kollijes or behind big 'bush = hitler' signs, soldiers put their lives on the line the second they take the oath to defend the Constitution.

It's the looney left that thinks all soldiers die in vain and cheapens their memories.

While they're fighting evil you're whining about whatever the unwashed leftist 'leaders' TELL you to whine about.

In closing, I don't need 'a clue' cause I got the case down cold AND the block on lock. Get your ass to a library before you get served again.

Wow...a self-congratulatory republican bore...THAT hardly ever happens...

...that's right, Waiter...you keep telling yourself how smart you are...and maybe one day you'll do what all smart Texans have already done...

...leave Texas.