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Reclaim Lenin from "Leninists" and "Leninism", Part 1

by Bob Gould Thursday, Mar. 18, 2004 at 10:36 PM

A Critique of Doug Lorimer's article, in Links (No. 24, pp. 96-112), on "Leninism" and a few suggestions as to what an organisation drawing the useful lessons of Lenin's activity, experience and writings, might look like in modern conditions. How we might possibly get there from the present situation of a proliferation of Marxist sects.

"It is true that prior to the October Revolution Lenin had agitated
for [a] strictly disciplined party of professional revolutionaries as
the condition sine qua non for the conquest and maintenance of power.
Nevertheless, throughout his career, including the five years of his
active life after the victory of October, Lenin never managed to
organize such a "monolithic" party. Nor was it ever more than a pious
wish with him which he constantly violated. Bolshevism, born of
polemics and factionalism, flourished throughout the twenty years of
its Leninist period on arguments and dissensions. It was only after
Lenin's death, after Stalin's ruthless police measures had strangled
the Bolshevik party, after the red colour of pulsing life had been
drained from its veins, that it assumed the rigidity of a mummified
corpse."

L. Trotsky, Trotsky's Notebooks, 1933-35, Writings on Lenin,
Dialectics and Evolutionism, Philip Pomper and Yuri Felshtinsky, pp.
27-28. This book, by Pomper and Felshtinsky, is a very important
piece of original scholarly research. The two editors have done a
very systematic job of collating Trotsky's notes from 1933-35, which
are in the Trotsky papers at Harvard University. These notes
particularly relate to matters of philosophy and natural science, and
to Trotsky's attitude to Lenin during the period when he was
preparing to write a major biography of Lenin, which unfortunately
never happened. The notes from Trotsky's papers give considerable
insight into Trotsky's thinking about events in which he had been an
important participant.

"The day before the conference, we arranged a meeting of the active
workers of the Helsingfors Committee, at which we decided on the
general plan for conducting the conference and also on the agenda. It
was decided to propose S.A. Garin as chairman of the conference, as
he was the most prominent and best known figure in Helsingfors. But
as Garin could not be present at the conference all the time, it was
decided to put the general guidance of the conference in my hands by
electing me as deputy chairman.

"In the Committee, there were two points of view on the question of
the political situation, one more moderate, approaching the point of
view of Comrade Kamenev at that time, and the other more
revolutionary, based on the famous thesis published by Lenin
immediately on his arrival from abroad. The representative of the
first point of view was Kirill Orlov, and of the second, Antipov. In
order to deal with all sides of this most important point of the
agenda, it was decided to have both points of view submitted, and let
these two speakers deal with the question.

"The conference opened the next day in the hall of the house of the
Governor-General. A large number of delegates was present. There were
representatives from almost every ship stationed in Helsingfors.
There were also many guests among whom was the figure now well known
to me -- the notorious Khilyani [Khilyani was a Menshevik]. However,
this time he discreetly kept in the background."

A. Ilyin-Genevsky, From February to October, pp. 41-42. (Published in
English in the Soviet Union, c.1926)

The above observation by Trotsky in the mid-1930s, in which he draws
harsh lessons from the development of Stalinism, is in sharp conflict
with the lessons drawn by Doug Lorimer in Links, 24. Ilyin-Genevsky's
account of the relatively public Helsingfors conference of the
military supporters of the Bolshevik Party adds further weight to
Trotsky's case. That was the party that led the revolution in all its
turbulent, contradictory development.

The discussion of Marxist organisation is not exactly new territory.
Nevertheless, on a world scale we are now in a position to illuminate
general theories of "Leninism" from the common practices and
experiences of dozens of "Leninist" groups, organisations and
parties. This historical record stretches from the time of the first
codification of "Leninist" doctrine, essentially by Zinoviev in the
early to mid-1920s, through its counter-revolutionary Stalinist
perversion, to the experience of various modern "Leninist" sects, up
to the present. It's a singular tribute to the revolutionary memory
of Lenin and Trotsky, and lesser, but still important,
revolutionaries such as James P. Cannon and Zinoviev, that across the
planet, militants of organisations large and small, and numerous
individuals, should be discussing their organisational ideas and
political perspectives with intense enthusiasm.

Also attached is a bibliography of important books on Lenin and Leninism.

This article also contains a discussion of a recent upheaval in the
DSP youth group, Resistance, and a current dispute in the Australian
Socialist Alliance. In two parts, Part II to follow soon.

Full: http://members.optushome.com.au/spainter/Ozleft.html
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I don't know why anyone would be interested in Lenin

by Barney Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 5:00 PM

It was Lenin who invented Stalinism, He's the guy 'Ol Joe learnt all his tricks from.

40 million dead later, there are still fools out there who think Lenin has anything of value for anyone.

Pathetic.
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again with the history interpretation.

by Particle Observer Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 5:18 PM

These insights, yeah, that's it. Fantastic, amazing and unbelievable.
Please post the origin of these gems of yours. Perhaps you speak Russian or have lived there or have done extensive research.
Otherwise I will consider you an opinionated moron. Thank you.
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Particle Observer

by Barney Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 6:50 PM

Hit the books, sonny boy. Lenin invented the terror state in the Soviet Union. He used the "completion of the Revolution" to justify thr summary execution of anybody who he considered an opponent. He was just as ruthless as Stalin. You sas sacks on the Left call Bush a "war criminal" but your hero Vladimir the Impaler was the real thing.
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Hard to believe anyone still touts Lenin

by GD Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 7:36 PM

Touting Lenin's concept of government is a bit like recommending Bill Clinton as a chaperone for someone's pretty 19 year old daughter.

Ridiculous and pathetic.
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Lenin invented the terror state

by Particle Observer Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 7:46 PM


So much for your opinion.
You're an ignorant, lazy moron without anything but your silly unsupported opinion. I know Lenin was responsible for defending the revolution from an armed invasion of
troops from Briton and the United States but you probably didn't know about that either.
Any parrot can repeat things they have heard.
But they're bird brains.
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lenin sucks

by Walker, Texas Plumber Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 7:57 PM

lenin sucks. go back to china.
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ahh our OTHER village moron speaks

by faintly amused by morons Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 8:08 PM

I glad Barney has such a intellectual heavy weight to help him out.
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IMAGINE NO LIBERALS

by Thurbad Marshall Friday, Mar. 19, 2004 at 9:04 PM

I laff at your latte-sipping antics, s**tbird liberals.

Your attempts to support all things retarded and proven failures like affirmative traction, lenin, soviets, trotsky, the other lenon, red china, stalin, susan sarandon's sagging can, anti-vietnam victory, anti-free market, pro-illegal immigration, crippling taxarion and gay marriage are like watching the Three Stooges handling paint cans-n-ladders, only far less amusing.

Maybe you should all make up some fake skinhead cyberattacks at this site, the way that lying nutball professor recently trashed her own car and made up stories. Then you can waste even MORE time at 'hate crime' rallies instead of learning something.



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learning something

by B&B Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 5:25 AM

We are learning what an asshole you freepers are.
What an idiodic, pointless diatribe.
You need more fiber in your diet.
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all hail marx and lennon

by more rational Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 8:06 AM

The Firesign Theater were regular performers on KPFK. There's always been a range of (and raging) opinions about both these guys.

It's a real contrast to the poverty of thought presented by the ocupationally functional drug addicts on conservative talk radio. Makes me wonder if what they are conserving is time spent actually thinking.

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fresca

by simply not true Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 8:46 AM

"It's a real contrast to the poverty of thought presented by the ocupationally functional drug addicts on conservative talk radio. Makes me wonder if what they are conserving is time spent actually thinking. "

First of all, I've always liked firesign theatre.

But your point that leftist radio is in any way more open than conservative radio is simply foolish.

I listen to ALOT of talk radio when I'm in the car for work. I'll wager I listen to ALOT more KPFK than you listen to "conservative" hosts. I could be wrong but that's my bet. Some conservative hosts are definetly buffoonish (Hannity), some downright intolerable(Limbaugh). The same goes for KPFK. Both sides have their agendas. Both sides wear them on their sleeve. You know what you're going to get before you even turn it on. To say that either of them are more "open" and objective than the other is just not true.

That's why I listen to both.
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humour in touch

by g.beck Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 4:05 PM

moron trivia, quirky leftist impersonations, decent insight , liberal tolerating, and whatever.....
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Partivle Observer

by Barney Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 9:51 PM

Why don't you just read up on the history of the Soviet Union rather than try to justify Lenin's atrocities by calling me stupid.

Educate yourself, kiddo. Doras feasa fiafraigh.
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