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Mind Control and U.C.

by richard Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 6:19 PM
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Regarding earlier posts and the need for proof.

This is an issue clouded in misinformation. How does one prove mind control anyway? For those who have doubts, I suggest the book "Bluebird: The Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists", written by a psychiatrist whistleblower.

The industry we call the "free press" will not publish anything of significance on this subject. If one wants to read more, I suggest going to the Lexis database, under european sources and read what has been written by the Russian press on the subject.

How do you prove a mind has been manipulated. Especially when such targets are labeled mentally ill. How do you prove mental pain, without a MRI or other online technologies. This is the "beauty" of these human rights issues. Not only are such technologies NOT ILLEGAL, their use can only be proven with sophisticated technologies unavailable to all but the most sophisticated.

The CIA program, MKultra DID exist and was stopped by congress. What do you think happened to the technologies and the nazi mentality behind the technologies. They disappeared?

Follow this subject. The proof is forthcoming.

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Claims of evidence

by Harry Flashman Saturday, Dec. 20, 2003 at 8:08 PM

The previous article on this subject said:

"evidence is now surfacing that even though congress called a halt to the MKultra program in the 1970s, the technologies were never actually halted."

and

"Evidence that faculty at various Cal State Campuses supplied names of such potential targets and provided psychological operational support to the medical faculties of the UC system."

These certainly appear to be claims to possess evidence in support of the premise of the article. The second one is particularly interesting, since it levels a fairly specific allegation against an individual institution.

If you want to be taken seriously, claims of evidence need to be backed up with the evidence itself. Otherwise, you're just engaging in argument by assertion and handwaving.

The argument in the last paragraph appears to imply that since experiments in "mind control", or influencing a persons' beliefs and behavior against their will and covertly are known to have occurred decades ago and since it is impossible to prove that no such research has continued, then the claims of people who say that they are the victims of technological mind control should be accorded the "benefit of the doubt".

That's an example of the fallacy of the Argument from Ignorance- that since something is not known to be true (it is not positively known that the CIA or other alphabet-soup agency has not developed the mind control methods asserted to exist) it is assumed to be false (therefore the CIA etc. HAS developed them and is using them).

There's also a subtle hint of Affirming the Consequent adding flavor to the stew. The existence of people with symptoms which could be attributed to "mind control" doesn't demonstrate the existence of "mind control" unless all other possible hypotheses which can account for the symptoms can be ruled out- by evidence and not by handwaving.

Again, you have made claims and asserted that at least some of the claims are supported by evidence. Please provide it.

And, please remember that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not on the listener to disprove it, and that waving your hands and saying "look it up for yourself" is a cheap substitute for actually supporting your claim.

This is NOT a demand for "proof". "Proof" is a pretty meaningless word outside of a court of law or a geometry classroom. It's simply a request for some sort of support for the claims, support which you have already alluded to as existing.

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