Such fun watching BA and nonanarchist et al ripping the crap out of the doozy commie/anarchist/whatevers.

The only use for the comments section is to make it easier for the hairy knuckled fascists to monitor the wire. The articles are more important than the comments and the comments can still be seen at the end of the articles. Without the comment index, comments become contextual (that is, within the context of the article) rather than points of communication between brownshirts.

Devoy, you dumbass, you could have done that anyway, just read the articles and skipped to the comments you wanted to read. It's YOU and those like you who can't resist the fascist BS. Goddamn, you are one fucking dumbass loser!

>This feature (comments section) has been disabled temporarily pending discussion about how to deal with the flamewars happening on the website. Current discussion within the collective is pointing toward adding users and passwords to create greater accountability for each of the participants.

"In my hand, I hold a list of names................."

Brrrrrr. Sounds like the Borg. Doesn't it give ya the creeps. I'm so glad I'm a conservative, we're the true individuals.

users and passwords..
that is totally NOT in the spirit of IMC.

> SD
by Hex anon w/ encrypton Wednesday November 05, 2003 10:07 AM [ignore Hex anon w/ encrypton]

Devoy, you dumbass, you could have done that anyway, just read the articles and skipped to the comments you wanted to read. It's YOU and those like you who can't resist the fascist BS. Goddamn, you are one fucking dumbass loser!


Well I see spoofing is still alive..

I was wondering what was wrong with the latest comments section..

I agree the LGF freepering has gotten out of hand, even ned is still around as "max" and BA just won't flush..

So they decided it was easyer to reduce the appeal of being "top dog" on the posting of comments - and I agree a large part of the problem was due to just that, as looking at the latest comments section day after day kept showing LGF trolls posting to every thread - just to have their handles dominate the list

Blocking all proxies would effect a few other people...

The only question now is how do you register and does this allow you to vote down other authors so we can get rid of the trolls ourselves ?

And you know what trolls I'm talking about - the one's I've been *digging dirt on*

hahhahaha looks like they are unhappy with their favorite pissing ground paved over..

Oh well, just goes to show *where their heads are* as far as what's best for IMC and notice all the whining about *people like them* not being able to post BS hate and porn (I keep standards on sexually explicit pictures, rated R but not rated X, or XXX. In simple terms this means ass and some tits but no open genitals, I blur them out if need be, trying to avoid anuses and nipples as well)

The shots and links to XXX rated material are not acceptable - and we KNOW who's been posting those..

So the trolls have their panties in a wad - how sad !

Hey - I've found some more dirt on jerry lawson.

Remember I said there's a direct connection between him and IMC ? (not just through LGF)

---------------------------
http://milblog.blogspot.com/

"Sunday, October 19, 2003

It's Sunday, and after reviewing the usual suspects -

(Metafilter, Indymedia, DU (Democratic Underground - denser than depleted uranium but nowhere near so useful...) and others) -


just can't seem to find the stones to collect up all the on-line traitors and ship them off to the concentration camps that have been built to house dissidents in the US. "
--------------------------------

There you are - IMC directly mentioned as well as the above about digging dirt *on us* to give to "homeland security"



I guess some IMC staff went to LGF and *saw the long discussions about destroying IMC* where they go into *the exact tactics they've been using on here*, of disruption, distracting, dumbing down (I refer to this as "trying to pull us down to your level" but it means the same thing - trying to infest and infect us with their hate..)

So registration/voting and removing the temptation to be "king of the comments section" have been implimented..

I guess the trolls will have to look elsewhere !

Go back to your dying LGF and whither away, quit trying to suck IMC for new recruits and attention

> Those who really hate the truth (Hex comes to mind)

The truth - what would you know about truth ?

Trolls constantly dis-believe everything (this is one of the stated problems that lead to the latest comments section being closed)

"fresca" alone has reached about 20 cases where FIOA documents, pictures backed with live video of the same scene, eyewitness testimony and other solid sources of proof have been posted while he *denies all*

The "truth" BA is refering to is ad hoc name calling and completely baseless claims, pasted from pro-israel and right-wing sites.

The only saving grace BA can even claim is that all these facts are somehow wrong while his ad hoc'ing and propaganda pastes are the only "truth" out there.

And in fact BA is one of the worst offenders at violating truth !

But BA can do all the searchs he likes, as since no one else will, his audience is lost...

We can get on with posting more news - based on facts - as IMC is designed for, rather than spending our time playing with trolls whose only reason to be here is to disrupt and distract truth at all costs.

As the statement issued by IMC said...

Once freeper trolls are out of the picture this IMC will grow and attract more social justice activists.

All freepering trolls do is attempt to suppress the truth, by any means at their disposal - including claiming their lies are "true"...

We know it, and IMC knows it. Who do you think you're fooling, BA ?

And what's with this targeting of my handle ? (spoofed and lied about)

I guess the tracing of ned lyle to his date with the USSS, along with his IRS date and jerry lawson's trace to LGF and his blogs, along with the right-wing web site connections, with parallel IP traces that confirm this twice over, that show him posting as many handles as a retired military "supertroll" who is 50-something, yet still acts and talks like a reactionary recruit 30 years younger, must have had some impact ?

And now the "king of the comments" structure has been wiped away as well...

Sorry troll but you simply caused too much disruption - you brought it on yourself.

The Sherman death threats and these hate-saturated comments on people of all walks of life, the latest of which was the gloating over the hunger-strikers, went too far with IMC - and I had nothing to do with it.

So you'll want to point your shaking finger elsewhere

IMC banned you for no reason ? The ignore feature prob needs cookies and may not be active yet - not that banned trolls should matter anyway..


> steady string of outrageous bullshit


FIOA documents, pictures backed with live video of the same scene, eyewitness testimony and other solid sources of proof



> Bush lied bullshit


Where his WMD's ? (the stated reason for invading Iraq)
Where's the evidence Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 ?

this list stretches on into thousands of lies he's told



> demonizing the only sane state in the middle eastern region (Israel)


The whole world joined the UN in condeming israel for racism and genoside - thousands of pictures show what israel is doing to the Palestinians, and israel's own PR manual explains exactly what *people like you* are to do to "sell" israel based on fear, racism and paranoia. The ADL and JDL also lie like this, plus there's a huge list of JDL domestic terrorist activities from FBI and newspaper records.

http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/IMG/pdf/wexner-communication.pdf


Recently it was voted by the EU that israel is the *most dangerous country in the world* - and not america !



These are all FACTS

If they were FACTS, then you wouldn't have felt compelled to continually repeat them. Things that are FACTS stand alone without having to be reintroduced every 5 minutes. That you felt the need to continually post your FACTS showed everyone that your FACTS always needed to be proped-up, which causes us all to realize that they are not really FACTS, but FICTION. You see, FICTION has to be continually reinforced, not FACTS. So you see Hexy, everytime you post, it's just another piece of incrimidating evidence that your are more interested in proping-up your FICTION. If you want to prove something is a FACT, post it once and then don't comment on it anymore. If it is FACT, it will stand up to scrutinity. If you can't help but defend it, then it's FICTION. So far, you've only provided FICTION by evidence of your continual defending of your FICTION.

What do socialists, anarchists, and fifth columnist subversive know about facts?

Hex is one tenacious basement dwelling, middle-aged trekkie loner, I'll give him that.

.Still going on about my audacious unacceptance of his "proof" of the Liberty incident. (Christ, he REALLY hates those Israelis!).

Anyway, in as much as his evidence, all boiled down to one thing...FOIA documents and video and audio of the same hearsay and supposition from individuals who claimed to "know what happened" because they were "sunbathing on the deck at the time".... I begged off and offered transcripts and links to the recordings of the Isareali pilots radio recordings. Now, I'm no cryptologist, but they sure do lead me and plenty of others into believing it was a mistake.

Who knows? Point is , is that hex, for all his bragging, almost NEVER discusses any topic. And never with any actual proof. The Liberty obsession he has in itself has given us miles of lines of text going over the same crewmember interviews again and again. Interviews which he claim is somehow proof of something. Oh, and the forty or fifty posts of the flag on a ship jpeg.

Whatever, he's nuts. He needs a nemesis, like any good fantasist does, myself and alot of others fill that role for him. I suspect he's basically harmless. He's certainly completely uninformed.

I for one would never ignore him. He's a bit of a creep, but he's consistent.

Fresca and BA,

Speaking of the Clinton era, you must read this article:

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200311030753.asp

> If you want to prove something is a FACT, post it once and then don't comment on it anymore.


Sorry charlie, I will keep repeating the facts as long as trolls deny-at-all-costs (21 times now ?)

Matter of fact I will be posting much more facts as soon as you are gone for good (you'll be able to read but not post hahhahaha)




> basement dwelling, middle-aged trekkie loner, I'll give him that.


hahahhaha We don't even *have* a basement doofus, I don't care for star trek either, people are constantly after my services - I have to put out effort to even be left alone (this is why I do most of my internet research at night)



> links to the recordings of the Isareali pilots radio recordings

NO - you linked to *transcripts* of recordings that were *ordered destroyed* shortly after the attack - from the NSA of all places !

*I* presented *actual radio traffic - actual recordings* of said traffic (not all copies were destroyed)



> FOIA documents and video and audio of the same hearsay and supposition from individuals who claimed to "know what happened" because they were "sunbathing on the deck at the time"....


You can't even keep your spin-cycling lies straight. The FOIA documents were on some other issue, the pictures with matching video footage were on the Rabbi's denouncing zionism and I provided the URL's to see for yourself as well - which you claimed I made up using photoshop... now even the live video footage (which I couldn't have made up) has fallen by the wayside in your foggy memory of what *you yourself lied about* at the time.


but that's ok - your spin cycling days are almost over and I will be *posting it again* without your time sink "deny at all cost" games




> He gets his, ahem, information from tainted sources

actual radio traffic (not a NSA transcript), actual crewmen on board during the attack - "tainted" hahahhahaaa




> Bush did get some faulty intelligence from the CIA regarding WMD


hahahhahaa how stupid do you think people are - we know *all about* the warning he was givin that the "intelligence" was bad *BEFORE HE PRESENTED IT TO CONGRESS AND THE WORLD*, after the repeated trips to the CIA to insist they *make shit up* for bush's use.



> And now we find that the WMDs may have been overplayed


Overplayed hahahahhaaa You're a real riot today, this is exactly why you're banned BTW - the constant lies and denials at any cost - repeated over & over endlessly..



> when he discusses the situation in Israel and Palestine


that's the whole point - I *don't* discuss it - what's the point when all discussion becomes a word game, I show pictures, each picture shows far more than anyone can discuss away...

Pictures are quite effective in telling the story...

You talk about posting "pictures of israeli victims enough to choke the server" but we all know you don't have them - neither in quantity nor quality.

I have thousands of good quality pictures to show (I collect them), people here have seen dozens already. Your weak word games are no match for picture after picture



Which brings us to the reason why I'm here - to post facts and pictures - NEWS...

Nothing you can say will change that. Your welcome is long worn out here and you still don't know when to pack it in and call it quits. Since you are unable to stop yourself (compulsive behavior) IMC has decided to do the deed for you - by banning you.

Since even banned you didn't get the message (GO AWAY TROLL) they're now implimenting registration - between this and banning by IP you're going to find it extremely difficult to keep freepering here.

Once you're gone (once you flush and stop floating like a turd that just won't go away) I will start a series of posts with many more pictures and all new and updated expose's on *all things israel* - just so you can sit there muted and fume, knowing *your own trolling games* lead to it. You thought you could do whatever you wanted to, thought you could "post every day just to prove you can" and "no one can stop me"

this attitude, along with the Sherman threats, the general abuse and now this meaness hate and spite directed at *yet another* group of people is causing changes that are strongly to your disadvantage - by your own doings.

and nothing you can do can change that either - even if you manage to obtain an account, as sson as you open your mouth you give yourself away and - you're out of here...

good riddance

>I will keep repeating the facts as long as trolls deny-at-all-costs

You'll be repeating them because they are lies. That's what liars like you do, keep repeating it over and over hoping it will make it true. Truth doesn't have to be continually repeated, it stands on its own merits. Everytime you post, you provide further evidence that you want to perpetuate the lies you've told, otherwise if they were true you wouldn't have to keep posting them.

I wouldn't bother w/ this dork. The USS Liberty incident is DOA. The Israel and US gov'ts have kissed and made up over this incident years ago. It's ancient history and the only ones interested in keeping this non-story alive are wing-nuts who think they "see" things the rest of us don't.

Let it keep talking to itself and taunting. It only makes itself look even more stupid than it already is.

Than is unless you just wanna poke fun at it, and then by all means, go to it.

I mean, it is the reason we're here.

" they're now implimenting registration"

Good. When they have to resort to such extremes as this, my job here is done. Registration alone will demonstrate their need for control, their need to dominate, their need to have the last word. This is what I was hoping for, a clear demonstration that the world they envision has to be a controlled environment; controlled, as are all totalitarian regimes, at the point of a gun and at the threat of banishment or death.

When I was in the 5th Mob (Combat Communications), we had a kid who was in Saudi when the Towers blew up. He was at the Rec Center at the time, or else he would have been killed. He lived in the building that was hit, on that side.

At my last post, I worked with a guy who WAS in the building. He was pretty well shredded by flying glass.

He spent 13 months in the hospital, and is covered in scars.

Thats twice now you've ignored the Rabbi's denouncing zionism, and the pictures of what israel is doing to the Palestinians, while only latching onto the USS Liberty - which I didn't bring up at all in the first place...

Again the truth will be presented as long as denialists attempt to discredit

Since exposure of israel's crimes is your main fear, you are only being your own worst enemy, just as all the hate saturated freepering got you to where you are now (banned by IP and registration being implimented *specifically* to lock *you* out) for exactly what you're doing here - denying at all costs and playing word (and handle) games.

There's no need to "taunt" a simple LGF troll, but it is somewhat curious how ned claimed he was going to "post here everyday just to prove he can"

And I see his web server honeypot isn't growing at all but dying - despite all the money, time and effort he's put into it...

I've exposed him, exposed you and alerted people in technical terms what the danger his honeypot is to people who might surf there.

And I know a bit more than you think I do -

One thing wrong, though...I ain't running IE.

Details, details!

Anyway, who gave you my IP? You've never gotten it right before, so someone must have given it to you. Wouldn't be the IMC crew, would it? Naah...they don't collect IPs, according to their privacy statement. Hmmm...

Guess I'll have to start going through different servers like BA is doing. No biggie.

Actually, I'd better do that in case you or one of your similarly-minded techno-geeks decides to get cute on my 'puter.

As far as us being locked out by registration, go ahead. I'm past caring what happens to this dump. Just remember, if you lock out all who disagree, you do not automatically win the argument because there are no dissenting opinions.

But you dont' see it that way, do you? You post over and over stuff that the general public really doesn't care about. Remember the huge public reation to the USS Liberty story? Oh, wait...never mind. There wasn't one. So you continually beating a dead horse only highlights your true motives...to villify Israel any way you can. Sad, really.

Anyway, just so you know, I personally think all whoi are for this banning, ignore list, and registration thing are cowards who cannot handle disagreement.

This means you, Hex, and imc. If your opinions can't handle debate, they're pretty much toast, aren't they? If you are so afraid and intolerant of disagreement, and can't stand to have your views questioned without IMMEDIATELY devolving into name-calling ( and BOTH sides are guilty of that), well, then you're pretty hopeless.

Do what you think you have to, imc. But just know this:

Without us "trolls", all this place is going to sound like is "Bush and Zionists suck!" "Yeah!" "Yeah!"

BOR-ing.

Hex, you need to take a long walk off a short pier.

Who cares who's IP is which? There's nothing you can do with that info, and no one gives tow squirts.

IMC has already proven time and again that it does in fact track and log IPs. So all of you frightened subversives out there that think you're anonymous here on IMC have another think coming.

When the Feds and the Dept. of Homeland Security bust in and confiscate the IMC server, under the auspices of the Patriot Act, you'll all be next on the list. People like hex anon will be rounded up and delivered to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba as detainees.

The rest of us will be laughing!

I can tell you exactly what it was like here before we "trolls" showed up, and what it will become again.

When I was at SF-IMC and nessie started erasing everything, several jumped over here. I stayed there a while longer because I liked it there. LA-IMC a year to a year-and-a-half ago was DEAD CITY. In the comments section, there were maybe 4 or 5 topics with comments, They maybe got 2 comments a day on any subject, tops. Most of the time, days went by without anyone commenting. At SF-IMC, sheepdip was there for a while, then he jumped here. I remember coming here and having a conversation with him because we both commented on how much more quickly you could post at this site (SF-IMC at the time took forever once you clicked the "add my comment" button). BA & Simple Simon were at SF-IMC briefly and then jumped over here. I would check on the place from time to time, but didn't comment, just stayed at SF-IMC. Then nessie when nutso earlier this year and I jumped. A couple of others who were there jumped a little later.

So, without us "trolls", this place will revert back to DEAD CITY, which would be just fine with the collective.

The collective views right-wingers as assholes. But see, what these idiots like sheep and hex and kpc and dingo and others refuse to acknowledge is that the collective views them as being assholes, too. I would throw DeVoy in that mix too because he sounds like and is an ididot, which does nothing to enhance their image in the community. It's just that these individuals are closer to the collective viewpoint than we are, so they side with them. When push come to shove with the collective, any form of government is undesirable, so these people who expouse left-wing ideaology which still involves government are still anathama to the collective. In other words, to the collective they are pro-government assholes, it doesn't matter that they are pro-left-wing government, but if they are for government of any kind, they are ultimately the enemy. So, they get rid of the right-wingers, the next step is to get rid of the liberals. It may not be the next day, but they'll find a way to get rid of them. It's a step by step process with these people. It always is.

B.A. said: "The folks who nurture and support those bad guys are bad guys too because of that support. This means many of the Palestinian people and their leaders including Arafat."

Bingo B.A. With that comment you've described HEX and his brethren perfectly. They too nurture and support the terrorists including Arafat, Saddam, Al Queda, etc.

> Anyway, who gave you my IP? You've never gotten it right before, so someone must have given it to you. Wouldn't be the IMC crew, would it?

> Who cares who's IP is which? There's nothing you can do with that info, and no one gives tow squirts.

IMC has already proven time and again that it does in fact track and log IPs. So all of you frightened subversives out there that think you're anonymous here on IMC have another think coming.


I have nothing to do with IMC - they didn't give me your IP



> When the Feds and the Dept. of Homeland Security bust in and confiscate the IMC server, under the auspices of the Patriot Act, you'll all be next on the list. People like hex anon will be rounded up


You do know what my handle means - hex anonymous, that means there's 6 chained anonymous proxies between me and IMC




> his imagined technical prowess but usually can't deliver the goods. For example, I keep trying to use that "ignore" feature

> I'm banned and blocked but somehow still here. Another illustration of Hex technical prowess.


the ignore feature and how many proxy IP's IMC bans is their deal - I have nothing to do with it


ned's "expertise" shows again hahhahah

> - If the password system is implemented immediately register for 20 or 30 accounts with different names and passwords. Post randomly from those accouts and add new ones if they start to block you.


nope - you'd have to use a different proxy and e-mail for each account


> - Do a Google search for "Anonymous Proxies" to find proxy IP addresses. They don't all work and they're not all speedy but a little trial and error will get you rolling. New ones are discovered every day so it's virtually impossible to prevent you from visitiing a site by blocking an IP address.



hahahaha you're really screwed here.

*I have all the working proxies* and there's only 1 or 2 new ones added per day, and you have to test a list of a couple thousand *minimum* to find them. Also using a search engine is a *lousy* way to find working proxies as 9 out of 10 are dead, then even when you DO find a working one, 99 times out of 100 *I* already have it - which I can provide to IMC regularly updated lists.

I've been harvesting proxies for YEARS and I've got it down to a 1 hour operation - I get over 99 percent of *all* working proxies, this leaves your chance of finding one piss poor


> - Should the Comrades at IMC and Hex become more assertive at blocking IP's there are several anonymous commercial services charging a few dollars per month that can completely mask your IP address making it impossible for a System Administrator to block you out.

nope - all they have to do is e-mail the service (which has your personal info or account password) and they'll block IMC for them.

been there - done that, read the EULA


you're screwed ned, along with jerry

Look bitch, you've been saying the same crap over and over again for months.

We're all still here.

Don't you get it?

You're impotent.

There's nothing you can do to stop us.

Nothing.

poor sweet sweet innocent neddy poo

what could we possibly do without you and jerry ?

maybe post news consisting of documents and pictures with the occasional multi-media file thrown in

Since we all know he's banned, and can't keep registering when a valid e-mail is crossed against a real IP and not a proxy - as provided my fresh-off-the-grill proxy lists is required, and even if he passes all those hurtles, he only gets one shot (his big mouth and attitude gives him away) and he has to start all over again...

screwed


but cheer up because at least there's LGF and kobehq to go back to, because your suckling days here are ending

Don't let Hex fool you into thinking he knows your IP. That little graphic he inserted simply provides the info to you (and to IMC). Unless Hex has access to IMC logs, he doesn't know squat.

Thanks, Dagny!

Hex, you've just been proven, once more, to be incompetent. A REAL techno-geek could, presumably, trace my IP withour using the imc server logs...which, according to their own privacy statement, don't track IPs.

But you are reduced to a bait-and-switch scam. Are you a used-car salesman, part-time? Or an Amway distributor, perhaps?

Now, once again: Please post my IP, and prove indisputably that I am not only the other trolls, but also Ned or Jerry.

Also, Hex, since you can't get little things like my IP right, why should we believe anything else you say?

Hmmm?

Oh, that's right...you don't dance.

Coward.

> provides the info to you (and to IMC)

wrong sparky, only the web site it's hosted on (not IMC) knows your IP - and it only shows you (me or no one else see's it, it's unique to the person viewing it, I see mine, or rather the proxy at the end of my chain's IP)

I just wanted to see how long it would take the "expert" to figure it out...

which he didn't even - only partially

scared you shitless for over 12 hours though, I see

Hardly, Slappy.

The only thing you could do to scare me, Hex, would be to post that picture of yourself again.

But thanks for once again proving your incompetence.

Say, Hex, what's my IP?

> Also, Hex, since you can't get little things like my IP right, why should we believe anything else you say?

you still don't get it sparky do you ?


there's nothing stopping me from posting a graphic to a server I *do* have the logs to..

your unprotected virgin browser does you dirty...

it will faithfully grab *any* graphic link I post - including *invisible web bugs* (clear 1X1 gifs)

this means I can *grab your IP at any time* without you even knowing it

all you have to do is *view what I post here* for me to do it, either one of the many pictures I've posted or a web bug

you're a damn newbie and don't even know it

Please do us all a favor and shut the fuck up. I have you in my ignore list, but it's not working.

FOR GOD'S SAKE WON'T YOU LAZY ASSED GOOD FOR NOTHING ANARCHISTS GET OFF YOUR DEAD RUMPS AND FIX THE IGNORE FEATURE!!!!!!! I DEMAND THE ABILITY TO CENSOR THIS FUCK OUT OF MY LIFE!!!! HE'S RUINING MY IMC VIEWING PLEASURE!!!!

CAN'T YOU FILTHLY LEFTIST TRASH DO ANYTHING CORRECTLY?????????????????????

OOOO! Talk about being a diplomat.
such emotion. HAR.
miss the fun of being an ass?

yep..............

what's the matter - got a case of the bugs ?

Hey "expert", want to take a guess how many web bugs I've got on you ?

See those pictures *were* useful after all !

The anonymous posting won't go away. The users and passwords system will be optional, available to those people, like myself, who participate less anonymously.

People willing to put some time behind an online identity that's not entirely anonymous, I think, will be taken more seriously.

Technically, I'm thinking there should be three kinds of users: totally anonymous users, registered users with passwords, and users verified by email. Perhaps there should be a level for users who actually are willing to use their real names, expose their email, and so forth.

Anonymity is being used gratuitously here. It's one thing to hide behind an alias when you're going to be repressed, and another to hide to attack someone without personal repercussions.

There's no unified ideology at LA IMC. There's a range of opinions, though almost everyone is on the "left" end of the spectrum. There are some IMC Principles of Unity that form a sort of "Declaration of Indepence" for the collectives in the network.

It's always been a pretty eclectic group of people. The main thing we have in common is the belief that great social change is possible.

It's just a graphic on another server. What happens is the other server gets the request for the graphic, and repeats your IP back to you. None of it happens on the IMC server.

Just right click on the graphic and do something to get the URL for it: http://www.danasoft.com/sig/fryguy.jpg

It's a cool trick. It's really the same as those GIF page counters that people put on pages. (We should really prevent people from putting up these web bugs.)

A really creepy web bug would be a combination of these two features. Have web bugs that track both pageviews and IPs. Then, when you visit cnn.com after visiting tcm.com, the web bug on cnn.com would say "I saw you at TCM.COM!"

That would be scary.

Ohhhh... know what? Web ad servers do this. They collect traffic data across sites. They cookie you so they can see what pages you're visiting across sites. Then, they target you with an ad that you haven't seen before. When the sites collect regional information about you, they feed that data to the ad server. When they find out your age, it goes into the server.

What are the politics of the people doing this? Corporate! Probably capitalist. Probably not interested in your privacy. These are the Amazons and DoubleClicks, Commission Junctions, CNETs, and Earthwebs.

You pro-business trolls are just flinging fake accusations at the IMC to distract people from the truth. You're like the cheating husband who accuses his wife of cheating, or the pedophile priest who accuses the congregation of sin, or the evil drunk who pushes for a drug war.

It's a preemptive strike against the ugly truths -- marketing is the enemy of privacy, big business is the enemy of choice.

I'm not pretending to be what I'm not.

Here's where you say, "Yeah, but I know you're [insert handle of other conservative poster]; I have IP logs and extensive linguistic analysis of 75 thousand posts and used Kleenex to prove it!"

And my answer is: You're wrong.

That's all; you're wrong.

But I can no more prove it to you than you can prove your claims to me. Thing is, I KNOW I'm right, but your "proof" is merely supposition and wishful thinking. There are 6 billion people on this planet, yet you insist that a small group sharing somewhat similar opinions HAVE to be the same guy. Ever hear of Occam's Razor? (No, it's not what you use to shave Shroedinger's Cat.) KISS: Keep It SImple, Stupid. ALL conspiracy theorists cheerfully ignore this principle, preferring instead to concoct wild and convoluted explanations for straighforward events.

I'm me, Hex. I'm not part of a hive mind, or a COINTELPRO operation, or any other ridiculous notion you've come up with. i'm just a guy with conservative views who thinks that you and your brethren have completely wrong ideas about America, terrorism, Israel, and pretty much everything else. And I claim my basic human right of freedom of expression, just as I concede yours. Not only do I concede your right, I have sworn to protect it with my life. And you and the Kollektive want to deny me and others that right. Hypocrites and cowards.

I don't much care what you think. About anything. I know what the truth is.

And I know that you can't stand to hear it.

Nor do I care about your little cyber-geek threats. If you can't handle disagreement to the point you're willing to do something stupid to someone else's computer, you are truly a sad little person and in desperate need of maturity.

I may disagree with you, Hex, but I don't hate you, I would never harm you or your property, and I don't want you banned, censored, or ignored.

That's another difference between us.

> You pro-business trolls are just flinging fake accusations at the IMC to distract people from the truth. You're like the cheating husband who accuses his wife of cheating, or the pedophile priest who accuses the congregation of sin, or the evil drunk who pushes for a drug war.


I detected a couple of logging ad server hosted graphics kobe linked to as pictures he thought I was sure to view (pics of me/exposing me)

this serves the same function of web bugs..

I've never actually used web bugs as serving them would lead back to me as well, but anyone could.

Telling the difference between web bugs and normal pictures is rather fluid when you consider even a failed attempt (404) still gives up the IP, for any graphic or other browser file fetch (which you can't tell is a web bug unless you successfully get it)

I did say IMC has nothing to do with the graphic's hosting and didn't give me any IP's -

(of course they tend not to believe me)

Does the ignore feature use a cookie ?

what do you think of the idea of registering with e-mail varification along with a real IP (not a proxy on a list would be easy to check) would allow access to collectively vote to ban or globally ignore trolls to a "sub-level" where their posts only show up as all hidden or in a "dump" area ?

this way they can't claim they are being censored but a person would have to click something unique just to read them (just like with the hidden posts now)

there's 5 connections between a collection of handles shared between at least two people (maybe 3) and jerry lawson with his 3 blogs, LGF and a few other boards

I have actual IP's from boards where they are shown, leading back from a "kobe duke" to the same jerry lawson

we've got ned cross-posting as kobe duke as well those IP's show (I posted the list and marked them with *'s)

I have direct IP proof that both ned and jerry have used "kobe duke" dozens of times...

in this light your denials are meaningless

Re: "what do you think of the idea of registering with e-mail varification along with a real IP (not a proxy on a list would be easy to check) would allow access to collectively vote to ban or globally ignore trolls to a "sub-level" where their posts only show up as all hidden or in a "dump" area ?"

Good idea Hex. We'll all register and outvote you taking full control on the collective in the process. Then we can clean house. The new LA IMC will have Nonarchist as CEO and B.A. as COO. It's going to be a huge improvement.

I'm not accusing you, hex, of running an invasive a web bug on your server. That web bug is on some server that's probably tracking info, though. (And my point about ad servers is 100% real, btw. I've worked at enough sites to know something about ad servers. I wrote a simple ad server once.)

The ignore feature: it's completely cookie-based. The cookie isn't tied back to a database at all.[1] If you look at your cookie, you'll see that it's a list of user names. When you view the page, the comment's author is compared to the list, and if it matches, the comment is hidden from you.

There's a 1k limit to the size of this list. That means you can have only around 50-150 users in your ignore list.

[1] People rightfully fear cookies because they're usually connected back to a database with collected user data. IMC doesn't have a user database, yet.

...the stupid, Hex.

Even if your spaghetti trail is true, how does it tie to me, seeing as how I'm neither jerry nor ned?

Is it your "exhaustive linguistic analysis", which seems to be, "Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person"?

In this light your accusations are meaningless.

I do like the "read more ____" feature.

"Good idea Hex. We'll all register and outvote you taking full control on the collective in the process. Then we can clean house."

This is exactly what Palestinians want to do to Israel by exercising their right of return.

So that automatically makes it a good idea, right, imc?

I mean, you'd look awfully hypocritical supporting Palestinians' right to take over Israel, but condemning our right to take over la-imc.

But, that's never stopped you before, right?

> That web bug is on some server that's probably tracking info, though.

naw john, it's just from the shareaza forum from "mr. fryguy" and he's running it from his server just as a trick for people, he said he's not keeping logs when people on there brought up that concern..

that's why it has those rotating cute messages, and the rainbow elephant thing..

I wouldn't post anything dangerous ( a privacy invading business data miner would be in my book )

I won't ping or port scan IMC, mirror or crawl, do any kind of DoS, excessive posting, more than rated R pics, many or big media files or foul language

any of those activities would be unfriendly and improper

here's where you can see them talking about it

http://forums.shareaza.com/showthread.php?s=42d5f44f2580e3e75ee3c30a2232a487&threadid=7380&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

you'd look awfully hypocritical supporting Palestinians'
right to take over Israel, but condemning our right to take over la-imc

take over, hmmmmm

you frame making peace for peace as "taking over"
then use that framework to spin a web of sugar
coated lies to make trolling IMC seem good...

well at least you can't say you didn't try

...is merely people disagreeing with you.

Why can't you handle that?

We're actually doing you a favor, you know. We're forcing you to justify your positions, to think harder, to provide better sources.

If you can convince us, you can convince anyone.

Back to my earlier question: How does your spaghetti trail prove I'm anyone other than who I say I am?

“you'd look awfully hypocritical supporting Palestinians'
right to take over Israel, but condemning our right to take over la-imc'

The collective does not have the resources that a well coordinated
enemy force backed by the resources of the government can call into the mix. A platoon of weasels can be called on to assault this site with spam, as has been done in the past. It's an old tactic. Maximum force directed at the weakest link. It doesn't have to be a sustained effort over a wide front, just at certain 'problem' areas, one at a time.
This is the differece between free lance authors and PRADs.

"The collective does not have the resources that a well coordinated
enemy force backed by the resources of the government can call into the mix. A platoon of weasels can be called on to assault this site with spam, as has been done in the past. It's an old tactic."

Hee hee!

Prove it, Sheepie.

You can't.

All you have is wishful thinking. Fantasizing you're the target of a big, bad, gubbmint operation makes you feel a lot more important, doesn't it?

Pop quiz: Wouldn't it be easier to simply shut down imc? DOS attacks? Malicious logic? Even a few well-places power spikes could toast all your hardware. Make it too expensive to run.

If you're argument is that the gubbmint's simply out to discredit you, forget it.

You do a perfect job of that all by yourself.

It's LGF's trolls agenda of shutting down IMC because they allow people to anonymously post dirt on israel

they can be found discussing it..


> Wouldn't it be easier to simply shut down imc

this is *exactly* their goal...

Hey, how's the "Shut Down LGF" Project going?

Not too good, huh?

I just checked: 418 users on line.

I don't think la-imc could boast those numbers, do you?

Anyway: What you term "dirt on Israel" is more accurately definded as "rabid Jew-hatred" by the LGF "trolls". Why do they want it shut down? Hate speech is always dangerous. Are they/can they shut it down? No. All they can do is post here and point out the lies and hatred.

You need to get with the program, Hex. Everybody knows us trolls work for the gubbmint, not some rindky-dink conservative blog whose "days are numbered" by you ranalysis, as I recall.

Hmmm...418 users.

Hey, johnk...why don't you guys set up a user counter? And I'd like to see some site stats...average users per day/month/year, that sort of thing.

If it's not inconvenient (or embarrassing)...

I accurately relayed the situation as revealed by reading several threads of around 100 posts on LGF ( while looking for dirt )

dirt is defined as embarrassing *facts* that the subject(s) don't want made public

not as "hate", emotion doesn't enter into it, I'm dealing with facts. All you have to add are ad hoc strawman emotion saturated character attacks - which is what IMC is fed up with.

It's interesting that hate keeps surfacing like a turd that won't flush down, hate continues to infest your speech at every turn, while trying to project it onto others..

even people who only deal in facts and have no emotion at all about the issue much less the strong primative emotion of hate...

FOIA documents, photographs backed by live video of the same scene, eyewitness accounts, actual radio traffic, these are the things of facts and logic

emotion is not needed or welcome for news with facts

this is what IMC is for, not the rabid emotional rants of a hate group troll carrying out their plan to destroy the truth being reported on a news site

preparations are underway to keep such distraction separated from the news through registration - we'll see how much you're "needed" then as I post much more

My, my...awfully full ourselves, aren't we?

Say about this "hate" thing:

You can claim not to hate anyone. You may even not be lying about it.

But do you honestly not see the hatred expressed towards the Unites States, Bush, Israel, and Jews in here?

Can you be that blind?

Or do you just agree with it?

Anyway, keep making your preparations, making your lists, sinking further into the totalitarian hole that la-imc is devolving into...

> Can you be that blind?

yes - I'm fresca blind 22


> Can you be that blind?

yes - I'm fresca blind 23


> Can you be that blind?

yes - I'm fresca blind 24



but just as a teaser let's assume for a second you're right and some IMC patrons do hate "the US/bush/israel/jews" (all the same thing don't you know, bush = USA, israel = jews, remember, KISS we need to keep things simple for stupid)

then what ? you're here to stamp out "dangerous" hate with what - HATE ?

like your fighting for peace, or fucking for virginity...

and IMC "needs" trolls like you to stamp out hate with hate or IMC will die ?

does that about cover it ?

(We now exit the twilight zone of troll logic)

"but just as a teaser let's assume for a second you're right and some IMC patrons do hate "the US/bush/israel/jews" (all the same thing don't you know, bush = USA, israel = jews, remember, KISS we need to keep things simple for stupid)"

You don't have to assume that, Hex. Really, you don't. It's there to see, plain as the ugly on your face.

And there are people here who DO believe that "bush = USA, israel = jews", and furthermore, that believe all 4 are the same. Along with ridiculous nonsense that Israel and America are terrorist "regimes", condemning both of crimes committed in far more real and palpable terms by theri enemies...yet the enemies' crimes are either ignored or allpauded.

And then we have people like you, Hex. People with a one-note song. One hit wonders. People who gnaw an old, dead issue until it's just bitter dust, and look up triumphantly from their dead dinner and claim they've made a difference, made a point, made a valid argument. All you've done is prove you're willing to do anything to vilify Israel. You say you don't hate, but I have serious doubts.

"then what ? you're here to stamp out "dangerous" hate with what - HATE ?"

Hate? No. Please post something of mine that's hateful. Good luck. And please only use handles of mine; this childish fantasy of your that we're all the same person is just that...childish.

No, what I use is facts, logic, clear thinking, and a fair amount of well-deserved ridicule. I point out the hypocrisy and the double standards. I point out the support for absolute evil disguised as concern for oppression.

The fact that you see hate where none exists tells a great deal about you, Hex. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." No one cries "Liar!" or "Hater!" so loudly as the liar or the hater.

No, if by some chance we "trolls" no longer come here, la-imc will not die.

But it sure as heck will be a boring, CT- and paranoia-laden cesspool.

And that is logic in the real world, Hex.

"You want fries with that?"

>>> this way they can't claim they are being censored but a person would have to click something unique just to read them (just like with the hidden posts now)

changed your mind on censorship have you hex?

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/02/1578156_comment.php#1578158

Sad to see you go.

On another note

You know hex Im starting to get the impression of you curled up in the foetal position with paranoia.
At some point putting extra effort into making your security better is just a waste of effort. If you didnt run around calling yourself a hot shot with the internet no one would even think of trying to track you and if they did relitively modest protection would foil them.

- You can always raise your security level further by just never going on chat rooms or revealing anything about yourself if you want or you can just figure that it isn't worth anyones time to go after you.

If you dedicate many years of your life to protecting yourself against a threat that doesnt exist you have probably wasted that time. Besides the person that matters is not the one you look for but cant find it is the one that you dont even know to look for.

Sure with some effort you can probably track down some of us on here you might get an IP for some people you might get an address. And you might think that is a victory but if you find someone who isnt actively trying to hide from you it is like running down the street with a ball and then yelling back at everyone else "I BEAT YOU AT AFL!!!" You will just get funny looks.

...that Hex has done a 180 on censorship is that here he's been called on the stuff he posts.

And he doesn't like it. He's taken it a little too personally.

In other words, he got his widdle feewings huwt.

Poow baby.

> the word "REJECT" tattooed onto their foreheads / they blame the system for their own status as societal outcasts / associate with other losers / their own failures


you could build a house with all that framing. the house would fall however since it's built with imaginary materials

if I were to do any framing myself, I say a loser is a "100.k a year expert" who spends his time trolling a newswire's comments section as an unwanted banned pest

not a technically skilled person who does what he pleases, mostly designing and building electronic devices, with some internet activities, repairs and fun

fun as dictated by people who drink and party, I don't but supply the music "technical support" for all related things (lights, other radios and systems, video when we use it)

mastering, editing, mixing, production, DJ/MC'ing


> curled up in the foetal position with paranoia

what the hell is this supposed to mean ?, all the below about security is BS, there's nothing wrong or changed..
I've been busy, sometimes starting as early as thursday we do extended gigs and parties, I only barely had time to post yesterday at all



> here he's been called on the stuff he posts. / And he doesn't like it. He's taken it a little too personally. / In other words, he got his widdle feewings huwt.

John expressed concern over the URL the graphic is hosted on because it comes up as an ad server (data miner) as a general privacy threat

it did for me too, matter of fact I have to *bypass* my ad blocking to fetch it..

I simply explained it's just a guy on the shareaza forum doing it for kicks...

him being concerned is *perfectly normal* and me stating it's background and where to see about it is also perfectly normal..

I like any contact with IMC staff, where I'll be happy to use my real IP, send stuff (data or keys) and register with my home ISP (real) e-mail...

that's not paranoid, no security has been breeched and I have no problem with IMC

it's friendly direct honest exchanges like the graphic's background being brought up, that keep it that way.


and this crap about censorship is based on ignoring the difference between posts that are news, (just maybe news some people don't like) and simply troll posts where there's no news at all but just personal chatter and name calling, or a question directed to another IMC patron (I've gotten a few of those) - none of these even pretend to be news, the posts I'm refering to DO

and putting *troll excrement* in a separate area is not censorship.

I used to think having the "right" to post anything over-rode IMC's right to maintain a quality news enviroment (the classic troll attitude - like you)

I've changed my mind on this over the past year or so, having seen how distructive spamming troll posts can be.

How is posting the SAME MATERIAL over and over "news"?

How is post picture of nude women "news"?

How is posting pictures of yourself "news"?

Sounds like spam to me...

Now I predict you will attempt to justify your double standard.

And fail.

Now I predict you are a back-stabbing bastard

Material that's been posted before becomes newsworthy again anytime new or extra information is added to it or is otherwise in the spotlight (like when new confirmations came out on the USS Liberty, it was good to post the latest pictures and better close-up's of the flag frecsa blind pilots couldn't have missed..)

the pic of me was for IMC

naked women are tied to the subject or for artistic merit


I don't see IMC or any patron complaining - only a banned troll

figures you'd be displeased over nude women though...

I love nude women.

But they are not news.

"Now I predict you are a back-stabbing bastard"

Explain, please. Or is this another baseless accusation you dont' have to back up because "you don't dance"?

"Material that's been posted before becomes newsworthy again anytime new or extra information is added to it or is otherwise in the spotlight (like when new confirmations came out on the USS Liberty, it was good to post the latest pictures and better close-up's of the flag frecsa blind pilots couldn't have missed..)"

No problem with that. But you posted the SAME EXACT MATERIAL OVER ANDS OVER. That's not news; that's obsession.

"naked women are tied to the subject or for artistic merit"

Uh huh. And you buy Penthouse only for the articles, right?

"I don't see IMC or any patron complaining - only a banned troll"

Me? Banned? News to me.

"figures you'd be displeased over nude women though..."

Not displeased ove the nude women per se. Just the characterization that they're "news"

Dude, you;'re spinning so hard...are you getting nosebleeds?

I go off to our weekly music activities and come back to see a half dozen back-stabbing mean nasty posts just because I wasn't here

this is the 3'rd time this has happened

it doesn't bother me much now - scar tissue has grown over the wounds which have no nerve endings


RE: posting the same info more than once

> SAME EXACT MATERIAL OVER ANDS OVER. That's not news; that's obsession.

there's a few reasons to, if the news comes up agin in another thread with an update or addition, if the news so far is small (under a few hundred KB) it's best to move it to the current thread, updated it'self if possible. reasons NOT to do it would be huge multi-media files (you always upload those only one then always just link to them) or if the new information already contains the older news anyway, or if the 2 conflict in some way, something fresh needs to be written up to "bridge" the difference, as we're always dealing with facts, the explaination must be accurate and logical, usually some digging is required to find the real reason

this is the groundwork and the very stub of investigative reporting

the concern with duplicate postings from IMC's standpoint and practice is large numbers of large files waste HD space.

however HD's are getting so big along with the gzip compression used means text files are of little concern - if they were *troll posts and spam* would be erased not just hidden

what one person posts who's not a spammer (as defined by his posts being hidden) is of very little concern especially when you can drop him a note at anytime and say so

your sour grape attitude will not alter my intention of posting a series of photographs as a visual presentation - this time without your comments interspaced between them..

I will add the titling directly to the pictures if need be

(like I have with the kobe shit except always on a white strip at the bottom for these)


RE: partial female nudity being disturbing

As I've said everything I post has a reason

reason here is a deceptive word, reason is a multi-layered set of connected guiding directives

the drive for the achievment of a set of values and goals is expressed through the construction of an intertwined network of psychopathological precepts.

what this means in simple terms is there is an underlying "message" to everything I write and every picture/multimedia file I post

the pictures - the size, contrast, everything about them is controlled to create an effect in the viewer

people like us who are already humanized like these pictures (they generate a mild pleasurable effect in normal people)

but people with disconnections between themselves and other people (this is the chasm where hate grows) find them disturbing and seek ways to express displeasure over them

again the exact qualities of the pictures in combination with the context they are posted in as well as the order and my comments with them are all a sort of therapy

this is the same as taking experts from a book on pychotherapy

http://columbiapsychoanalytic.org/brochure.html

" WHAT IS PSYCHOANALYSIS? Psychoanalysis is a modern, effective treatment for healing emotional pain and promoting personal growth. "

When we view these pictures they have no effect as we already have the connections (we see other people's suffering as our own)

When people like you see them, you find them disturbing because they make connections that you find uncomfortable.

Jerry made fun of Rachel Corrie several times refering to her as a pancake, etc

this picture is therapy for it, it shows jerry's pancakes as reality in-your-face, ON a very personal close-up of a woman's butt

the setting is of a lover in a highly erotic context

this makes connections between very intimate sexual drives and the light he put a woman like this in, with his hateful dehumanizing comments about Rachel.

to us it's just a mildly amusing picture, but to him is highly disturbing since it connects directly between sex and death that he maintains as hate for women

the conflict is he hates women enough to want them crushed to death "like a pancake", yet supposedly wants to have sex with them as well..

this picture screams this in his mind

but to us it's just a funny picture that doesn't mean anything

Pretty good EV. I've seen you dance better, but under the circumstances, you're providing fairly good material for the EV Grand Prize..

Keep doing exactly what we expect you to do. Consistency counts and the same song and dance will grade high and you will be rewarded by the lunatic frindge.

The world does not revolve around you.

I will post what I like, when I like it; and if you're inconvenienced at all in any way, you are free to get over it.

Furthermore, I will post mean nasty posts even when you ARE here.

Again, you are free to get over it.

Boy, you really do get your widdle feewings huwt, don't you?

Look, you can post what you want. I, unlike you, don't want ANYONE censored.

But I reserve the right to have and express my opinions about what you post. You know, like you want to deny those who disagree with you.

One of those opinions, freely expressed, is that your nudie pix aren't news...nor are they a very effective tool for your little psych experiment.

You see, I like to look at nude women. I like to look at the pictures you posted. I just don't think they are "news", nor are they relevant to the thread.

One again, your characterization of me as a "hater" is totally without merit. Please post comments of mine that show I hate anybody, please. Unless, of course, it would prove you're wrong; in which case you won't.

Speaking of you being wrong, why are you bringing this jerry guy into it? Why are you bringing him into la-imc at all? I'm not him; and I'm pretty sure no one else here is either. Once agan, please post proof if you think jerry is in here.

Say, what do your psych texts have to say about paranoid fantasies? You know, like yours that says all us trolls are the same guy?

Much as I love taunting the anarcho-Green-left, may I remind you of the simple fact that W is a complete and utter asshole?