This question is not directed at normal people capable of ethical reasoning. It is directed specifically to members of KOBE and their supporters. I would never ask this question of a typical IndyMedia reader. Here's the question:

Of the two following, which is more evil:

(1) Someone that hate Jews.
(2) Someone that hates Arabs.

Please grace us with your opinion.

Both are fairly reprehensible, but considering that no two things can be absolutely equal, I'd have to say that, from my perspective, that hating the group which has routinely targeted and murdered MY group (neither of which these groups are) is the lesser of the two.

Now, what group do you think that might be steve?

Your post is not "NEWS"

Don't use LA-imc as a message board/forum/chat room.

GO START YOUR OWN!

I can so no difference between hating Jews and hating Arabs. Anyone that hates some genetically defined class of people based on the actions of a handful of individuals is a racist. That makes you a racist, fresca.

What is a racist but someone that attributes some quality to all members of a genetic class based on some belief about specific individuals?

Now, KOBE has declared itself to hate Arabs and Muslims. By your own definition, that makes KOBE evil. Why then do you attack me, a person that has never hated Jews in any way simply because he disagrees with a political philosophy and the policies of a nation state that practices that political philosophy?

The fact that fresca attacks me and does not attack KOBE proves that fresca approves of KOBE's hatred for Arabs. That makes Fresca a hater of Arabs. If a hater of Arabs is equally evil as a hater of Jews, then Fresca is ethically equal to a Jew hater.

Since I am not an X-hater where X is some race, Fresca is a racist and I am not. I conclude that I am being attacked by a racist exactly because I am not a racist. That is, since I do not care about the ethnic makeup of the Middle East conflict but care only about the political issues, KOBE members hate me.

There is no difference between KOBE and the KKK.

Let me hip you to something steve. I'm not KOBE. I don't give a fuck if you think I'm a racist or not. My interest in your views is peaking at this moment because I'm bored. In five minutes, you'll be forgotten.

Anyway, if hating a group of people like Isamic terrorists makes me a racist then so be it. Racism has been redefined and I'm fine with it.

Bottom line. You hate Jews and they've NEVER attacked you or yours.
I hate Islamic terrorists and they've been attcking me and mine for decades.


Spin it however you and your Aryan Brotherhood buddies want.

drive a 10 penny nail through a 3/4 inch of plywood with your penis
but you will never convince fresca.
It's not possible. Orders, you know. Hate, deny, attack. Only Israel can kill without consequence, all others are evil. That's the script.

All of fresca and the JDL gangs accusations of anti-Semitism are based on the false belief that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. If I were an anti-Zionist and NOT an anti-Fascist, they'd have a point, for the only explanation would be the Jewish factor. However, I am an anti-Nazi, anti-Fascist, anti-Racist, and (of course) an anti-Zionist.

It also boggles my mind to see how blind these people are. My ex-wife is Vietnamese. My wife is Salvadoran. My own child is mixed race. My grandmother might have been Jewish. I've dated Jews, Buddhists, atheists, Blacks, whites, Latinas, Iranians...

What kind of racist lives such a racial diverse life?

These people are crazy. If they faced the truth, they would have to live with the knowledge that they attack people and try to ruin their lives for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL. They are robots.

Fortunately, 99% of the population knows that they are full of shit.

How about telling us who you cyberstalk and annoy for no reason at all...

DeVoy, you are a pathetic looser...

http://www.protest.net/imcboston/index.cgi?span=short_week&year=2003&month=10&day=9&list=Off&state_values=

KOBE has clearly stated here and on the Headquarters website that it hates Islamic FUNDAMENTALISM, and not all Muslims in general. The Arabs are devious, and until it is satisfactorily explained why 19 of 23 terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi nationals, they will remain on KOBE's shitlist. You have ignored the facts and chosen to believe in your fantasy. Much like you are absolutely convinced that KOBE is based at Computers NLA, which it is not, and the proof of which has been independently determined. You have accused fresca, Bush Admirer, nonanarchist, Rational Normal Person, Anna, and others of being KOBE simply because they disagree with you, and perhaps do not disagree with KOBE. This neither makes them KOBE nor does it necessarily make them "KOBE supporters".

The truth is, Stevie, that the majority of Americans are NOT anarchist, and KOBE ideaology represents a large percentage of that. Some people dont dare say out loud what they think, and KOBE speaks those thoughts loudly and clearly...and INTELLIGENTLY. The only defense you think you have is to attempt to smear us and/or accuse others of being us, or claiming that KOBE is posting as many other people. This has done nothing but hurt you and whatever moronic anarchist propaganda you are peddling.

If you could see what you have been doing, you might be able to repair the damage, but your paranoid conspiracy theories and distorted "scientific method" of determining facts is.....strange, to say the least:

"A is B, and B is similar to C, therefore A and C are related, and one can conclude that X is Y"

WTF?

I am not Jewish, I am a biracial black/white man who does not work in any computer store. The prople who post here are who they say they are about 90% of the time. At least KOBE states openly that they disdain Islamic FUNDAMENTALISM and Arabs in general, but you dont have the balls to admit when you make mistakes, or that you HATE JEWS. You are an anti-Semite of the worst kind, because you cant even see it. Get a life, Stephen DeVoy.

And as we've seen in the psychopathology of stalkers, your assertion that I am the stalker fits you perfectly.

I have, in fact, annoyed your comrades in an effort to let the world know what they are up to.

Supposing that you are Cheese, there are only two conditions under which you would be posting here:

(1) You are a member of KOBE and Cheese is just one of your names.

(2) You are currently cyber stalking.

Now Cheese, all of the harassment against me began on your forum. You also have a backup forum on an Israeli host. Your forum provides IP addresses to the JDL and KOBE. In my book, that makes you a terrorist.

As for the pathetic post yuy made on protestnet, that's just more proof that you are a cyber stalker.

The funny thing about you guys is that you target me with libel while I target you with the truth. For example, I merely point out what you are up to. You, on the other hand, pull fabricated bull shit out of your asses.

One day, Cheese, this all going to come back to haunt you. I have your email address. I can find out who you are. There is a very long list of victims on your forum, myself and Audrey are just the tip of the iceburg.

what the hell are you refering to?
Put down the bottle and take a nap. Waste my time...
numbskull.

Please explain this post made by a KOBE member.

wow
that date! 19102?
wow

KOBE SBM would like to see concentration camps built. In fact, he volunteers to build them. KOBE SBM, what would your Jewish ancestors say about that?

KOBE has clearly stated here and on the Headquarters website that it hates Islamic FUNDAMENTALISM, and not all Muslims in general. The Arabs are devious, and until it is satisfactorily explained why 19 of 23 terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi nationals, they will remain on KOBE's shitlist. You have ignored the facts and chosen to believe in your fantasy. Much like you are absolutely convinced that KOBE is based at Computers NLA, which it is not, and the proof of which has been independently determined. You have accused fresca, Bush Admirer, nonanarchist, Rational Normal Person, Anna, and others of being KOBE simply because they disagree with you, and perhaps do not disagree with KOBE. This neither makes them KOBE nor does it necessarily make them "KOBE supporters".

The truth is, Stevie, that the majority of Americans are NOT anarchist, and KOBE ideaology represents a large percentage of that. Some people dont dare say out loud what they think, and KOBE speaks those thoughts loudly and clearly...and INTELLIGENTLY. The only defense you think you have is to attempt to smear us and/or accuse others of being us, or claiming that KOBE is posting as many other people. This has done nothing but hurt you and whatever moronic anarchist propaganda you are peddling.

If you could see what you have been doing, you might be able to repair the damage, but your paranoid conspiracy theories and distorted "scientific method" of determining facts is.....strange, to say the least:

"A is B, and B is similar to C, therefore A and C are related, and one can conclude that X is Y"

WTF?

I am not Jewish, I am a biracial black/white man who does not work in any computer store. The prople who post here are who they say they are about 90% of the time. At least KOBE states openly that they disdain Islamic FUNDAMENTALISM and Arabs in general, but you dont have the balls to admit when you make mistakes, or that you HATE JEWS. You are an anti-Semite of the worst kind, because you cant even see it. Get a life, Stephen DeVoy.

hey stevie...you're in Boston right?

Don't tell me you're not watching the Sox game.

I thought KOBE SBM was a real computer scientist.

19102 = 2002. The forum software was not updated in time.

It works like this:

1900 + 102 = 2002.
"19" + "102" = "19102"

Thought I wouldn't need to explain it to someone as intelligent (ha ha ha) as you.

Therefore, we conclude that his limited intelligence causes him to equate Muslim with Arab.

In any case, he calls for GENOCIDE.

KOBE Duke wants BOTH Arabs and Muslims to be killed.

wow
just asking!!!
wow!

Nothing any KOBE or any Communist or any Socialist or any other "group" wants to dismantle government like anarchists do. YOU ARE THE WORST type of activist. An advocate of chaos and bringing disruption to order. Anarchists, by their ideaology, are the inherent enemy of ANY organized government anywhere on earth. You reap what you sow, Stevie, and you are planting weeds.

You see, KOBE losers, though I am an anarchist, I'm well organized. In fact, one of the individuals that gave me a donation in exchange for a bunch of bumper stickers during the "pathetic" occupation of Harvard Square commented that I was unusually organized for an anarchist. I'm not an ordinary anarchist. That's why I had to start a new anarchist movement. I support what other anarchists are doing, but there is another dimension where we could be struggling. You know that and that is why I piss you off so much. One Rational Anarchist can do more damage than 1000 Anarcho-Communists. It scares you, doesn't it?

This one belongs in a museum of hate.

Here's KOBE SBM's fantasy of a nuclear explosion over Mecca. If I were a Muslim Cleric, I'd put a Fatwah on KOBE SBM and Computers NLA.

We have a KOBE right under your nose, watching, listening, and he shook your hand last Saturday, like he said he would. We were hoping for a reaction such as your "citizens arrest", but you thought he was one of your anarchist friends.

"You know that and that is why I piss you off so much. One Rational Anarchist can do more damage than 1000 Anarcho-Communists. It scares you, doesn't it?"

No, you dont piss us off at all. You amuse us. You fight against that which you cannot see, and cannot conquer because you do not know the nature of your attacker. Are we just a little group of two or three people, or are we representatives of interwoven government agencies with vast resources at our fingertips? You will never know. We know almost everything about you, and you know nothing about us.

If it were necessary, we could make you disappear.

Here is what KOBE was doing before KOBE started harassing IndyMedia. After KOBE destroyed a few dozen Islamic Internet forums, they turned their sights on IndyMedia. While I was urging other members of the left to stop KOBE, I was largely ignored.

It reminds me of that Holocaust statement:

First they came for the Jews, but I wasn't a Jew...

"In fact, one of the individuals that gave me a donation in exchange for a bunch of bumper stickers during the "pathetic" occupation of Harvard Square commented that I was unusually organized for an anarchist"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just wait a couple of days, and you will see those stickers on more than a few Cambridge Police cruisers. When the officers discover where they came from, they will make the connection you dont have the intelligence to make. :-)

""Now Cheese, all of the harassment against me began on your forum. You also have a backup forum on an Israeli host.""

I don't have a forum...

What the hell are you takling about?.

You are paranoid.

Cheese.

I don't care if I'm under surveillance. I don't care if a member of KOBE hangs around Harvard Square 24/7. I don't care whether or not you are connected to zero, one, or more governments. I just continue to do what I'm doing.

You see, little KOBE SBM, I have more courage in my toe nail than you have in your entire body. I've faced death many times. I've gone places few people have ever gone. I've done things few people have ever done. In fact, I'm so fearless that it causes those that care about me to worry. You see, in the end I don't care when I die. I care that I lived doing what I believe in. This is something that someone like you will never understand. All that I do is about something much greater than me. What I do will live on after I am dead. I have no doubt about that.

All people that have brought something new to the world have faced similar resistance. If I did not face resistance it would mean that I am insignificant. Your harassment just verifies that I am on the right track.

I don't go with the flow - I defy it.

Suprisingly, it's called "The Cheese Forum."

You can do whatever you want with stickers that you buy. What happens to them after I sell them is none of my business. I'd be happy to see them stuck to Cambridge Police cars. Hell, I wouldn't even twitch upon seeing one on a windshield. Who cares?

Only a moron like KOBE SBM would think that Cambridge is anything like LA.

Let's look at KOBE's online harassment of self-publishing media, shall we?

How many people on the net use the name "Cheese" you idiot?

Well here is a starter on Yahoo for example it lists the first 500.. http://members.yahoo.com/interests?.kw=cheese&.oc=t&.sb=1&SEARCH=Find+People&.cb=1

Am I...

cheese-god

cheese.ya

Just can't stop harassing forums, can you, KOBEs?

You would be safer here than you are in Cambridge. Dont you even care about your daughter? She will have to start attending school next year, and your background check will reveal more than you care to know. She will NEVER be admitted into a private school in the state of MA. Yes, there are long range plans in store for you and your "rational anarchist" movement. You are foolish, like a drunk behind the wheel of a car. You are weaving, and you are going to crash. I hope you survive.

While I'm adding this, just a little message to you, Cheese.

Eat Shit.

As for KOBE's statements about schools and such - what country are you from? Your comments make no sense to an American.

That was posted by KOBE too.

DeVoy has no respect for the environment.

"What I do will live on after I am dead"


Hey Steve, start printing bio-degradable bumper stickers, I don't really want Boston littered with your stupid stickers for time immortal!

Do you have any idea how long it takes to dearch the net for YEARS for references to Cheese? How many posts he had to search through, how many Wisconsin Cheese and countless other references to "Cheese" he had to discard to pick out the "likely" ones. Gives you a chill doesnt it?

Thise screenshots are but a small sampling of HUNDREDS he has found all over the net. He spends his time searching, sifting, theorizing, and it yields him strange hypotheses and warped conclusions which have very little in common with reality.

Stephen DeVoy is currently prescribed medication for his condition, but KOBE doesnt know if he is actually taking the medication. It is going to change to Zoloft, Stevie....we already know that. Why arent you calling me George Bullock anymore? Am I still running "George Bullock's Criminal Enterprise"? Am I Ned Lyle today Stevie?

This is just one tiny screen shot. Imagine thousands of these posts.

Your forums WERE destroyed, and our targets WERE neutralized. SO FUCKING WHAT? You have been run out f the west, the midwest, and now you are cornered in the east. You are still within arms reach. LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Or suffer the consequences.

A block of time was specifically dedicated to gather evidence of your activities. Periodically, another block is allocated. I have too much to do to spend my time obsessing about your harassment. My guess is that you now cost me about one hour per week. Eventually you will cost me nothing as others will be paid to do that for me.

As for "medication," I'm far saner that you KOBE SBM. You should be locked up. I'm just a highly creative guy. I wouldn't trade my mind for anyone's mind. I like the mind I have. It's agile, imaginative, compassionate, and well focused.

You are eating up bandwith, PLEASE post LINKS to the messages on your forum.

You could be faking the screenshots with that paint program you seem to have open quite often....

Do you DENY this? You denied it before when we knew for a fact it was true. We know about Nick's heroin use, and we even know how you like your coffee. You are creative, and you have some nice qualities, but you overshadow them with your bad qualities, and your pathetic ideaology. You write well, but you choose to write garbage. What the fuck is WRONG with you? Get with the program, and perhaps you can make a more significant contribution to it.

He probably charges about $300.00 per hour. KOBE invited everyone to call him. If you've been harassed by KOBE, here's the link to his lawyer.

I have more "garbage" to write. For reasons that KOBE cannot explain, my "garbage" is very popular. I've even got regulars in the Senate and House reading it, not to mention an occasional web visit from the White House.

Nighty, night.

Sorry, but I can't link to them. Most of them are behind a protected location on the web. I need to upload the ones I wish to share.

Sweet dreams.

The referrers do NOT say shit like "Senator Soandso 16:15am, House of Representatives", okay? You do not know who is visiting your website, and everything ending in .gov is not a Presidential Aide hoping to get guidance from your garbage.

Wake up. It was a dream. Time to go back to your nightmare.

I KNOW why you get many hits from government.

You wouldn't really want to know the reason or you might not sleep too well...

Anyway I bid you good night, and just think, if your dreams come true one day you may be living in a world with no KOBE. Your ideal anarchist society.

You think you are being targeted by KOBE?

Kobe are gentle pussy cats compared to,




MARTIANS!!!!!!!

Martian KOBEs....BWAHAHAHAHA

It was somewhere in the neighborhood of Mono Lake that the marvellous Whiteman cement mine was supposed to lie. Every now and then it would be reported that Mr. W. had passed stealthily through Esmeralda at dead of night, in disguise, and then we would have a wild excitement--because he must be steering for his secret mine, and now was the time to follow him. In less than three hours after daylight all the horses and mules and donkeys in the vicinity would be bought, hired or stolen, and half the community would be off for the mountains, following in the wake of Whiteman. But W. would drift about through the mountain gorges for days together, in a purposeless sort of way, until the provisions of the miners ran out, and they would have to go back home. I have known it reported at eleven at night, in a large mining camp, that Whiteman had just passed through, and in two hours the streets, so quiet before, would be swarming with men and animals. Every individual would be trying to be very secret, but yet venturing to whisper to just one neighbor that W. had passed through. And long before daylight--this in the dead of Winter--the stampede would be complete, the camp deserted, and the whole population gone chasing after W.

you whine about me posting good screen shots backed up by current on-line html's that scare kobe

then a week later you're posting tons of old screen shots that you keep hidden from public access

while kobe babbles unafraid all along...

nice tactics

looks like you want to play with kobe alone - and keep playing

Your fool ass screen shots dont mean a thing. They show Michael Holmes' pathetic attempt at trying to smear KOBE. Cmon....a deathy threat posted in my name, using Ned Lyle's e-mail address, on a biker board. BWAHAHAHAHA! Only an idiot would be convinced by that (that would be you).

YOU HAVE THREE DAYS LEFT to write your excuse as to why nothing at all happened with your little threat about getting KOBE offline. While youre at it, explain why nobody from the FBI or the Secret Service knows anything about your report (we checked).

Its best if you just stay out of this whole thing, since it has nothing to do with you, and you are not qualified to engage either DeVoy or myself with your limited intellect and lack of education. Go and play with your "perf boards", and "cords" and tubes and wires, MORON.

KOBE knows and I know that Mike is not well....

I have had many long chats with him and from what I gather he is an angry person, and rightly so (but that is another story)

I don't wish him harm, a stroke can change someones personality, and that is not the persons fault...

All Mr Hex's screenshots with IPs and the data he gave to the FBI are going to get Mike in a lot of shit. Yes he is a pain in the ass, but those that know what Mike is, and how he gets sometimes tolerate his behavior.

To be honest if Mike didnt have Kobe tormenting him, and he didn't have Kobe to torment his life would be pretty dull.

Anyway, The point is........

Cut Mike some slack.......