Words of caution, regret and anger rolled in from country after country a day after Israel made the vaguely worded decision that it would act to remove Arafat.
The threat sparked pro-Arafat marches by thousands of supporters in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and drew opposition from
the European Union,
the United Nations
Arab countries,
as well as the United States.


"In the early hours of this morning the phones rang from all over the world," Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said. "They're asking us to do nothing against Yasser Arafat. Has the world turned on its head?"

Countries expressing concern ranged from Switzerland to Pakistan. Italy, Russia, Germany and Britain also voiced disapproval.

"We believe it would be a terrible mistake that would have serious consequences across the whole region," EU spokesman Diego Ojeda said.

Arafat emerged from his compound in Ramallah for a second straight night Friday and rallied supporters, saying: "To Jerusalem we are going as martyrs in the millions."
The crowd held photos of Arafat and chanted: "With our blood and souls we will redeem you." Arafat answered: "With our blood and souls, we will redeem you Palestine."

As the crowd left, a dozen Palestinians remained behind in the compound and set up tents, saying they would act as human shields if Israeli troops try to seize their leader.

Israel, however, pulled back from any immediate operation and on Friday abandoned lookout positions on top floors of two buildings overlooking Arafat's compound.

Secretary of State Colin Powell telephoned both Shalom and the Palestinian foreign minister to emphasize the United States' opposition to exiling Arafat. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said "it would not help matters; it would only serve to give him a broader stage."

The Palestinians urged the U.N. Security Council to demand that Israel stop the expulsion. The Council discussed a resolution late Friday and then adjourned until Monday, despite Palestinian pressure for a quick vote.

Israel's government says that as long as the 74-year-old Arafat continues to wield authority, peacemaking efforts will fail. Still, Israel made no move to oust him from Ramallah, and on Friday even abandoned lookout positions on top floors of two buildings overlooking his compound.

The Israeli threats only seemed to bolster Arafat, who has been trapped in his office for nearly two years by troops and threats that he might not be allowed back.

In Jerusalem, meanwhile, police stormed the city's most hotly disputed holy site Friday, firing tear gas and stun grenades to disperse Muslim worshippers who police said threw stones down at Jewish worshippers at the Western Wall. Some witnesses said they didn't see stones thrown. There were no injuries reported, and crowds quickly dispersed. Police blamed Arafat for the disturbance.

Israel's security Cabinet announced its decision in principle Thursday, two days after twin Palestinian suicide bombings killed 15 Israelis. In their statement, Israeli leaders declared Arafat "a complete obstacle" to peace and said "Israel will work to remove this obstacle in the manner, at the time, and in the ways that will be decided on separately."

That wording makes room for several options: deporting Arafat, capturing him or killing him. The Israeli daily Haaretz reported that when Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz talked of KILLING Arafat during the Cabinet meeting, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon asked him not to use that term.

Some Israeli critics accused Sharon of making empty threats. "The bottom line is that they're not expelling Arafat," said Emannuel Rosen, diplomatic correspondent for Israel's Channel 10 TV. "This is a virtual game we're playing among ourselves — undignified, not serious."

Abroad, however, there was concern Israel might act and condemnation of the decision was widespread. France warned that expelling Arafat would be an error and the Arab League said Israel had in effect "declared war" on the peace process.

"It would be unwise to expel him," U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said.

 Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath said Powell told him in a phone call that the United States pressed Israel to call off any immediate move against Arafat. He said Powell also gave assurances that the United States would push Israel to meet key commitments of the stalled "road map" peace plan, in particular to withdraw forces from Palestinian cities and freeze settlement construction.

Mofaz, meanwhile, insisted Israel would act against Arafat. Speaking ahead of a meeting with U.S. Ambassador Daniel Kurtzer — and with Kurtzer at his side — Mofaz said, "I am convinced the state of Israel has in the past made a historic mistake by not taking this decision earlier."

The Israeli decision meant that Sharon and Mofaz could decide on expelling Arafat without reconvening the Cabinet. Maj. Gen. Giora Eiland confirmed there are operational plans to carry out an expulsion, saying in comments carried by Israel TV that "there can be several plans for different situations."

Your headline, "The World condemns Israeli racism...", is a lie.

Or rather, wishful thinking on your part.

"Your headline, "The World condemns Israeli racism...", is a lie."

Unsubstantiated Allegation
For more on logic at YOUR level, try reading "Logic for Rightwing Dummies (pardon the redundancy)."

Do you have anything to add to the discussion, besides your usual stupidity?

Go to Edit, then Find.

Type in "racism".

The word will only show up in the article's title and these three comments.

NOT in the article itself.

So, yes, I was correct: the title is a lie.

In other words, you can't substantiate your allegation. Thanks for clearing that up.

IDIOT.

You've got to stop looking at the world through your moron-colored glasses.

In other words, you can't substantiate your allegation. Thanks for clearing that up.

IDIOT.

nonanarchist: "It's neat how the sun rises in the east."

Scottie: "No, it doesn't."

nonanarchist: "Well, look at that bird that looks like a duck. It's a duck!"

Scottie: "No, it isn't."

nonanarchist: "Well, it's cool the way gravity pulls things down."

Scottie: "No, it doesn't."

nonanarchist: "You keep denying the obvious."

Scottie: "No, I don't."

THE END

Arafat is a rat and scum that must be removed to further peace in the ME, as he has failed miserably and denied younger, morevital blood, to succeed his place and propose something besides terrorism,which is what arafat stands for, you know.

Arafat's position relies on continuing terrorism agaisnt Israel. If peace broke out, he'd be out of a job, out of power, and would no longer have his hands on the terror-supporting cash cow of the Arab world.

If he was interesed in peace, there would have been peace by now.

But he has repeatedly demonstrated the only peace he wants for Israel is the peace of Jewish graves.

alittle weird.....
nonanarchist likes to confirm his bullshit with his little schitzo friend.
NOTICE.
he just happens to write a long ass line
THEN
someone jumps on tho confirm his racism
THEN
he quickly answers himself back!!!!
ha aha ha
what a loser!!!!!
(thats the right wing for ya though)
lol

Are you so closed-minded you can't imagine two people sharing the same "Arafat is evil" opinion?

You are a sad little person.

However, the State of Israel has, very wisely, decided that the days of your baby-killing buddy are numbered.

Gee...Saddam, Arafat....you guys are quickly running out of heroes.

in 30 odd years he got hisself a nobel prize..!!__"shucks now bo's"__And, not 'cludin any proof of peace , y'knowed?..He, the rat, managed 200mill to slide to 'is 'count, y'know...soun' like 1 'terested oneself, sides them palys, 'know?

only losers have to have conversations with themselves.
Its still pretty funny though.
Why would anyone do that?
Just goes to show what these moronic facist
right wing warmongers will do to win an argument.
Well, they will do anything except
join the military and back up the war with their own lives.
They're "armchair quarterbacks" with big guts and fat asses from tying on a computer
to enrich their tiny little lives.
ROFL!!!!!

Gee, where do I start with this self-deluded drivel?

"only losers have to have conversations with themselves."

I wasn't talking to myself. I, unlike you, have the courage to post under my own handle and my own handle ONLY. You ought to try it sometime, if you work up the nerve.

"Just goes to show what these moronic facist
right wing warmongers will do to win an argument.
Well, they will do anything except
join the military and back up the war with their own lives."

LOL...I AM in the military...for 12 1/2 years now. Desert Storm, Southern Watch, Bright Star, Korean Armistice, Enduring Freedom, and now I'm supporting Iraqi Freedom. Your ignorance is excusable. Your stupidity, however, is not.

"...confirm his racism."

Pardon me? Pointing out that Arafat is a terrorist is racism? We seem to have differing definitions of racism. Yours seems to be "telling the truth".

If you call me a liar, you'd best be prepared to back it up. Go ahead. I can't wait to kick you to the curb again.

I havent posted in this thread until now.

NOw nonanarchist wants to proclaim that he is a military veteran.
LIE!!!
His obviously delusional bullshit has now reached epic proportions.
Hey there , lying sack of dogshit./
why aint ya over there in Iraq?
Riding the pine as a wannabe military soldier.
ha!!!
Go save your BS for someone who will buy it!!

You're calling me a liar again, but you offer no proof.

So everyone's just supposed to believe you?

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

In my life, I've found it's usually the liars who shout "Lie!" the loudest.

Yes, I'm active duty military. If you don't believe me, that's your problem.

But if you call me a liar, you'd best back it up.

And no, just because you say so isn't proof enough.

So everyone's just supposed to believe the likes of YOU?

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

...if anyone believes me or not.

You, however, seem to have a great deal of need to be believed.

I say again: prove that I have lied.

"Yes, I'm active duty military."

Unsubstantiated Allegation
For more on logic at YOUR level, try reading "Logic for Idiotic Rightwing Cyberterrorists (pardon the redundancies)."

which MOS does your constant rant go under?

Does that answer your question?

you do know your own MOS don't you?
perhaps 11B?

I don't have an MOS.

In the Air Force, we use AFSCs.

I say again: prove that I have lied.

...I'm daveman.

I said that I was never coming back.

I lied. I'm a conservative.

okay then, what is your AFSC that allows you to spam this site on
government time?

...if you'll answer mine:

What lies have I told?

Jeez, Fido, how much time do you think we have?

Chicken Boy, if I'm such a prolific liar.

Waiting...


...waiting...

...let's see...there was that Bekka Valley whopper...shit...that one was laughable enough on its own! Where'd ya get your info....Douche Limberger? Didn't he say it came from World Tribune...which the Douche referred to as "...one of those British papers"...but, of course, the Douche lied. It isn't a British paper...it's one of them rumor blogs run by some Moonies from the Washington Times. They also have a site called "The Cosmic Tribune", which reported increased UFO activity during the perihelic opposition of Mars...

....so let me guess...Iraq hid the WMD's on Olympic Mons....?

Fuckin' dickless liar, Fido....dickless!

Exactly! That's what my tinfoil hat told me!

It's aluminum you dufus.
poor concuctor, no ground.
Dunk your head in salt water (grounded of course)

Where's that lying shit?

...crows like a rooster but turns out he's just another capon!

Yesterday's New York Times had an article on Colin Powell's visit to Halabja, Iraq, which contained this curious observation:

Mr. Powell's visit underscored an unwelcome fact, it was that the evidence of Iraq's stockpile of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons--the main rationale cited for war earlier this year--have not been found, much to the chagrin of American forces here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/15/international/worldspecial/15CND-DIPL.html?pagewanted=all

The article's headline: "Powell, in Iraq, Visits Memorial to Kurds Gassed in '88." But there's no evidence of chemical weapons?

So they were there....


....15 years ago......

From http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=482:

Syria is reported by DEBKA-Net-Weekly?s intelligence sources as having secretly disposed of Saddam Hussein?s weapons of mass destruction by moving them into eastern Lebanon for burial in the Beqaa Valley. Iraq?s biological weapons may be there too. They were interred deep under the heroin poppy and cotton fields in two of the most fertile regions of Lebanon: the valley stretching between Jabal Akroum, the town of al Qbayyat and the Syrian border, and the land lying between the towns of Al Hirmil and al Labwah between the Orontes River and the Syrian frontier.

On February 14, about a month before the start of the war in Iraq, DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue 97 ran an article captioned ?Is Iraq?s WMD cache in Lebanon available to Al Qaeda?? To subscribe to DNW click HERE

Now, our intelligence sources can disclose exclusively that the relocation of Iraq?s WMD systems took place between January 10 and March 10 and was completed just 10 days before the US-led offensive was launched against Iraq. The banned arsenal, hauled in giant tankers from Iraq to Syria and from there to the Bekaa Valley under Syrian special forces and military intelligence escort, was discharged into pits 6-8 meters across and 25-35 meters deep dug by Syrian army engineers. They were sealed and planted over with new seedlings. Nonetheless, their location is known and detectable with the right instruments. Our sources have learned that Syria was paid about $35 million to make Saddam Hussein?s forbidden weapons disappear.

******

That satisfy you? Oh, I forgot...you've already "proved" there ARE no WMD. "Nobody's found them, so they CAN'T exist!" Isn't that how your logic works?

If you can call that logic...

You site an Israeli propaganda site as your evidence?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You coulda just posted a lie by Colin Powel from before the invasion as your proof and it would have been just as relevant.

Now, about your "proof"...your lyin' fuck of a president and his lackey crew claimed "irrefutable" proof and have given us.....

NOTHING...

I don't have to prove anything, the facts speak for themselves. You, on the other hand, keep making claims that NO FACTS support. You are holding no cards, Fido.....none.

You are a liar.

Case closed.

Like your opinion is worth anything.

Nice to know you're still apologizing for genocidal despots, though.

Typical Chicken Boy. Boy, you're really steamed that Saddam's history, aren't you?

Baath Party membership dues paid up?

Like your opinion is worth anything.

Nice to know you're still apologizing for genocidal despots, though.

Typical Chicken Boy. Boy, you're really steamed that Saddam's history, aren't you?

Baath Party membership dues paid up?

thank god Internation law allows us to veto anyhting, thank goodness it is such a noble law, very fair, epecally to white people and the chinnese. To bad for the poor fucks in those "unimportant" yet "indpendent" nations were all them really "bad" things happen.


WHAT AGAIN IS SO IMPORTANT ABOUT "UPHOLDINGT" INTERNATIONAL LAW? in reguards to international dipomancy

There's a new tape out purporting to be of Saddam Hussein:

To the US president, I say in the name of the great people of Iraq, that you lied to yourself, to your people, and to all others. You did this along with those who got involved with you. Or there might be some who lied to you, but you believed those lies after you were tempted to do some action. You even changed your slogans and the reasons you used several times as a pretext for your hostile military campaign against our country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3116544.stm

But is this really Saddam? It sounds an awful lot like one of the Democratic presidential candidates, or maybe someone from MoveOn.org.

Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports Hans Blix has a new (for him) theory: He "believes that Iraq destroyed most of its weapons of mass destruction 10 years ago, but kept up the appearance that it had them to deter a military attack."

"I'm certainly more and more to the conclusion that Iraq has, as they maintained, destroyed all, almost, of what they had in the summer of 1991," Blix tells the Australian Broadcast Corp. "I mean, you can put up a sign on your door, 'Beware of the Dog,' without having a dog."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030917/ap_on_re_mi_ea/blix_iraq_3

Of course, if Blix is right, doesn't this mean that CLINTON LIED!!!! in 1998 when he said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction? Well, not really. Clinton did exactly what President Bush did: He assumed Saddam was being truthful when he behaved as if he had weapons of mass destruction--an entirely reasonable supposition, given that he had used such weapons to commit mass murder in the past.

Bush's political opponents are now arguing, in effect, that Saddam got a bum rap because he was only bluffing, and that this somehow means he should have been left in power so he could murder thousands of Iraqis using weapons of light destruction.

spending all day on the computer when you should be out defending those oil companies and the fascist president.
You think Hitler took control on one day?
Did he will that election?
Why hasnt congress vetoed a Presidential executive oreder since abe lincoln?
You are a brainwashed moron.

DID YOU SEE THE ABOVE PRINT FROM FLUTAL?
NOW BLIX SAYS THERE ARE NO WMDS
SADDAM WILL DEFEAT BUSHITS LIES

AND SINCE YOU CANT THINK FOR YOURSELF
YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE CONSTITUTION

It's a good thing Al Gore didn't invent the internet in the 1920's, otherwise you left-wingers and anarchists would have no referance point from which to compare Bush.

..... but if one were to want to build an empire, 1930's Nazi Germany would be the worst model to use. True, Hitler did take what was a broken country and build it up to a world power in a very short time, but there's no parallel between the US and Nazi Germany. The US was hardly a broken country like Germany was when Hitler came to power. Besides, Nazi Germany went down in flames in only 15 years. Not a good model to try and repeat or even reshape.

Nazi Germany is a scare tactic for the "Angry Left" (Great term, Ffutal) only because it was recent, but it's hardly something one would try and copy. Besides, the American people hear "Nazi" and "fascist" and they immediately think "Holocaust", and when they see we aren't killing Jews, they write these people off for the whackos they are.

If you want a model for an empire, Rome would be the one. The empire lasted for 1000 years. And the form of government, the military, the infrastructure, the architecture, the writings,.... all that they did still influences countries around the world today. *That's* how to build an empire.

That's just too funny.

"spending all day on the computer when you should be out defending those oil companies and the fascist president."

Did you ever serve in the military? I thought not. You are hardly qualified to tell me how to serve. I don't tell you how to collect unemployment, do I?

"You think Hitler took control on one day?
Did he will that election?"

In case nobody told you: if you have to resort to Hitler analogies, you have no real argument.

"Why hasnt congress vetoed a Presidential executive oreder since abe lincoln?"

Uh...because they didn't want to. Too bad they won't listen to you, huh?

"You are a brainwashed moron."

i.e., "I simply cannot imagine anyone looking at the same data and coming to a different conclusion than me."

"DID YOU SEE THE ABOVE PRINT FROM FLUTAL?"

Yes...did you? It was more than a little sarcastic. I guess you didn't (or couldn't) pick up on that.

"NOW BLIX SAYS THERE ARE NO WMDS"

Yeah...can't keep his story straight, can he? Wish he'd make up his mind. What's he going to say when irrefutable proof turns up?

"SADDAM WILL DEFEAT BUSHITS LIES"

Thank you for making your allegience clear. Traitor.

"AND SINCE YOU CANT THINK FOR YOURSELF"

i.e., "Since you don't blindly parrot the Lefty party line as espoused by such geopolitical luminaries as Susan Sarandon, Robert Fisk, and Sean Penn..."

"YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE CONSTITUTION"

News flash, Skippy...I'm not the one supporting Saddam over the president elected in accordance with the Constitution.

One more item: Caps lock doesn't confer authority; it just makes you look stupid.

ITS SO FUNNY TO SEE THE YOUNG IGNORANT MINDS HARD AT WORK IN TODAYS MILITARY.

THE LAUGHABLE WAYS TO SLUFF OFF ONY SENSE OF AMERICAN DUTY.

THIS MORON PROBALLY DOSENT EVEN KNOW WHAT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER IS.

DOSENT READ THE CONSTITUTION SO HE DOSENT KNOW HOW BUSH VIOLATED IT

NONANARCHIST "I WILL NOT THINK FOR MYSELF"

DOSENT KNOW THE HISTORY OF HOW FASCIST HITLER CAME TO POWER SO IMMEDIATLY DISREGARDS

CANT MAKE ANY CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE REALMS OF HISTORY
THINKS "THOSE THAT DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY, ARE BOUND TO REPEAT IT"
HOLDS NO FACTUAL CONTEXT AND MEANS NOTHING TO TODAYS HISTORY.

OF COURSE HE DIDNT BOTHER TO READ ANY OF THE ARTICLES....LOL

IF YOU QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT
YOU SUPPORT SADDAM.
LOL

TELL ME NONTHINKER
HOW IS IT THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN ATTACKED THE US ON 911?

PS
GO READ YOUR CONSTITUTION AND READ ABOUT THE POWERS OF GOVERNMENT AND WHY THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR WAS FOUGHT.

WHO IS SUPPORTING THE CONSTITUTION AND
WHO IS SUPPORTING A LEADER THAT IS VIOLATING IT.

WHO IS THE TRAITOR TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE''

Fido is a lying shit and a fuckin' eunuch...that much has already been proven and settled. After taking a severe beating, the best he could do in his defense is accuse me of being a Baath party member...

....whatta fuckin' meatwistle.....with idiots like Fido in the military, no wonder we're getting fucked in Iraq....

Those who hold the same views as the comments of the above two posters are being ignored by our government. There's a reason for that. It's not worth consideration.

Don't like it? Tough.

>DOSENT KNOW THE HISTORY OF HOW FASCIST HITLER CAME TO POWER SO IMMEDIATLY DISREGARDS

It's been clearly pointed out that Nazi Germany is not the model to follow to build an empire. Rome is. American history parallels Rome much more closely than it does Germany at any point in their history. Of course, with you and your ilk, history started in the 1930's in Germany.

>CANT MAKE ANY CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE REALMS OF HISTORY
THINKS "THOSE THAT DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY, ARE BOUND TO REPEAT IT"
HOLDS NO FACTUAL CONTEXT AND MEANS NOTHING TO TODAYS HISTORY.

History didn't begin in the 1930's. You need a better foundation of history. Once again, what would you do if Al Gore had invented the internet in the 1920's? Without Nazi Germany, the only refernece point your people seem to be able to relate to, you'd have no time in history of which to point. To you, everything that's ever happened on the planet Earth can be paralleled to something that happened in Nazi Germany. Get some prespective.

If you and caps lock are so right, Chicken Boy, how come you're on the oputside looking in?

Face it...you're just annoying, yapping little dogs on the fringe of politics.

If your views were mainstream, Bush would never have been elected and the war would never have happened. Gore certainly wouldn't have done anything about Saddam, who would have continued raping, shredding, and dissolving Iraqis.

That just gives you a warm fuzzy, doesn't it?

You don't give a damn about the Iraqi people. You're willing to sacrifice any number of them to your god, Bush-Hate.

You piece of shit. You get all high and mighty and moral, but you don't care how much Iraqi blood is on your hands.

So the opinions of two worthless murderer-apologists don't mean a great deal to me, okay?

I hope you can sleep at night.

Who put Saddam in?
We did we did. Thanks C.I.A.

...we're not allowed to fix our mistake?

Idiot.

Saddam served a purpose.

Then he got stupid and dangerous. You know, like you, except for the dangerous part.

So he had to be removed.

But the so-called "peace movement" wanted him to keep killing Iraqis. The UN wanted to keep raking in oil-for-food money. France, Germany, and Russia didn't want their lucrative contracts upset.

Too freakin' bad; you didn't get your way.

Poow widdle fewwah.

Budget went from a couple of hundred thousand per year to several million per year overnight, and all of the sudden KPFK has no trouble paying its bills. What has changed with the donor base? Could the government of Saudi Arabia be writing checks to KPFK? Or could it be rich Palestinian Americans?

Killer Peaceniks


No war in Iraq they said, but what about the murders here?


Henry McDonald • The Observer, 13 April 2003


Mid-afternoon on Wednesday the phone rang and a jubilant Iraqi started crying down the other end of the line. He was watching his fellow countrymen and American Marines pull down the statue of Saddam Hussein in central Baghdad.

It was Khalid Ibrahim on the phone, an Iraqi Kurd who has studied in Dublin since he fled his homeland in 1991. Khalid rang not only to celebrate the end of the Baath regime but also to tell me that the following day he and other Iraqi exiles would be marching in Dublin.

On Thursday this band made a small piece of Irish history. The Iraqis would head up the first ever parade through Dublin to the British Embassy in Ireland, not in anger but rather in deep gratitude.

'We are marching to thank the British and later the Americans for this liberation,' a breathless Khalid cried down the phone. 'Today our people are free.'

And then a note of anger entered his voice, not against Saddam and his thugs but rather towards those in Ireland whom he believes tried to prevent his country from being freed from tyranny. The Iraqi exile reserved most of his venom for the Irish anti-war movement.

How must this man have felt over the last few weeks and months when he strolled through the Old World charm of Trinity? What was he thinking when he witnessed the anti-war posters, the impromptu student demonstrations, the rantings and ravings of ageing leftists, veterans of other, older anti-war struggles, hanging out with people 30 years younger than them, drinking from the fountain of revolutionary youth? Sick no doubt and perhaps also a little despondent that Iraq's best chance for freedom since 1979 would be stopped; not by Saddam's reputed so-called elite Republican Guard but rather through the selfish force of Western public opinion.

Khalid needn't have worried. Bush and Blair, and more importantly, the Iraqi people themselves have paid no attention to the not-in-my-name narcissi.

No one with a heart could have taken any comfort in the prosecution of this short but bloody war. The sight of the young boy in Baghdad, in deep distress, threatening to commit suicide unless he is given new prosthetic arms is particularly heart-breaking. One hopes the Americans and/or the British spend as much resources looking after this young victim for the rest of his life, as they will with their own wounded and maimed.

But the official Iraqi figures for civilian casualties (that is the official figures of the ancien régime ) are interesting. They estimate that around 1,000 civilians were killed (1,000 too many) in this brief but conventional conflict.

Amazingly Northern Ireland's squalid little war, fought over a tiny piece of earth, prosecuted against a relatively smaller population, resulted in far more civilian casualties. It is worth remembering that some of those republican groupings allied to the Irish anti-war movement were responsible along with the loyalists for those totally unnecessary civilian deaths.

For those who don't get the irony of that, just recall that in one day alone 5,000 men, women and children were gassed to death by Saddam's forces in Halabja.

Another striking aspect of this three-week war to liberate Iraq has been the level of abuse heaped on those who supported ordinary Iraqis' right to be free. The violence of the language of the Irish peaceniks in print, on the airwaves and across cyberspace, has been in sharp contrast to their protestations of peace. The insults they hurled were often menacing and sometimes threatening. 'Pond scum' was just one label attached to this writer by these new proponents of peace, love and understanding - albeit peace, love and understanding only with dictatorships.

None of this really matters, particularly to those of us in this profession who have to face loyalist death threats on a regular basis and who witnessed at first hand the horror of war from Lebanon to Bosnia. The nasty jibes and name-callings of a few students and Trots will hardly inflict much long-term hurt.

It does matter, however, that the Irish anti-war movement has once again got it so wrong when it comes to the attitudes of ordinary Iraqis over their support for the invasion. They patronised Iraqis who supported military action and at times insulted them, as in the case of Tony Benn accusing one Iraqi woman who dared remonstrate with him of being a CIA stooge.

Like the Baath dictatorship, the Irish branch of the Saddam Hussein Preservation Society is going out of business, exposed as it has been for being morally vacuous and pig ignorant. To redeem themselves, even at the endgame of this conflict, they could issue an apology to Khalid Ibrahim and his fellow exiles. But given their arrogant dismissal of the facts on the ground in what was once Saddam's torture chamber, the chance of such an apology is hardly likely to be forthcoming.



 

Well, it's time for Fido the nonanarchist to change his handle again. Everytime the lying fuck get his asshat handed to him...he changes his handle, from Simple Simon to daveman to Mr. Wilson, to jpkelswhatever now we have this new handle. But he has been so consitently and utterly embarrassed that it is only a matter of time before the little doggie to find a new name...

...what a fuckin' little worm....belly draggin' invertebrate....

Why don't we suggest a new handle for him...

..how about "USAF-douchebag"...? Very appropo...

The only ones that have evr gotten their ass handed to them are you, Sheepdog, faker, DeVoy, and a variety of other left-wingers and anarchist that frequent this place.

And in November 2004, you're getting it handed to you again. In between now and tehn, you'll get it handed to you some more.

It's just the way it is. Get used to it.

My ass handed to me? Certainly not by the likes of you....you couldn't even hand you own ass to a toilet seat.

...fuckin' needledick.....

Yeah, it's been handed to you.

Over and over and over again.

It will continue.

It's just the way it is. Get used to it.

Well, just for shits and giggles, I took the poll numbers for our illustrious shrub and did a quick regression analysis...

...his projected approval numbers on election day will be %37.4.....and that's looking from 9/11 to today. If you look at his drop since May, it is even worse!

I'd say that's good news....the lackeys of course will argue that math is a socialist conspiricy...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Great! A seer of seers. Sometimes you mental defects have a talent. I'm willing to wager a ten spot. Which horse is going to win in the 5th at Del Mar?

It's math, not magic, dingleberry...

....but I guess to an idiot 2+2=4 seems like magic...

...maybe if you had gradjitated hi school....

Look damnit! I'm not asking a lot. You loons can sometime get the horses right. 5th. Del Mar. Horse. Hurry up! It's almost post time!

"Broken Leg"....

....bet the farm....

"Broken Leg" ran in the second. Great! Another pretender. Well, sometimes you loons can pick 'em. It was worth a try.

OK. You can go back to you bad election predictions and out-of-touch political views.

...to place, not to win, you idiot...

...well, maybe you can live in a trailer park...

...what....you alread do?

"...well, maybe you can live in a trailer park..."

I know what we'll do to get the working class to join us in our movement. We'll make fun of them and where they live. Yeah, that's it! We'll spit in the face of the working class. They can't help but want to be a part of us then. What a great idea! Good job! Way to go!

I know what we'll do to get the working class to join us in supporting Bush. We'll tax the shit out of them and hand out money to the rich. Yeah, that's it! We'll fuck the asses of the working class. They can't help but want to be a part of us then. What a great idea! Good job! Way to go!

flag waiving TV watchers represent. We need them because they vote so often and even read this board. Give me a break.
But it's nice to know you care sooo much. How much canvasing into trailer parks have you performed? Spit.

Actually, the tax burden on the middle class went down. All tax rates in every bracket went down. So robbing the middle to pay the rich doesn't apply.

On the other hand, there won't be any revolution without the help of the working calss. And the working class doesn't want anything to do with people who make fun of them, like the activist community constantly does.

...who will be paying this huge deficit built up by da shrub....certainly not the execs at Haliburton....it will be the children of the working class...

...and unlike pampered little pussies like you, the working class has thick enough skin to take a little ribbing and still come out to fight for justice...the only people who would feel insulted about living in a trailer park are people like you who look down on those who do.

...maybe you can have your mommie read you a few stories about the struggles of working class activists of the past....if your a good boy....

>...who will be paying this huge deficit built up by da shrub....certainly not the execs at Haliburton....it will be the children of the working class...

I can see you're as incompetent at understanding economics as you are discussing relevant issues.

>the only people who would feel insulted about living in a trailer park are people like you who look down on those who do.

People who look down on people who live in trailors, like *you* do, use the image of what you believe people think of those who live in trailors (trailor trash, I believe, is what people like you call them) to insult them, like *you* did.

Thick skin and ribbing. Nice try. You insulted them.

Your whole activists community constantly spits in the faces of average Americans, and then wonders why things don't change. And then, when it's pointed out to you, you deny you do it.

Hey, no sweat off my back. I hope you fail in what you do. Given that you won't listen, it's not surprising you're getting nowhere.

Hey, at least you got Indymedia to come to and post and you can walk away falsely believing you made a difference.

Now post last. You know you gotta. It makes you feel like you won. Go ahead.

How about "KPC is a Dork"?

Seems very apropos.

" Everytime the lying fuck get his asshat handed to him...he changes his handle, from Simple Simon to daveman to Mr. Wilson, to jpkelswhatever now we have this new handle. But he has been so consitently and utterly embarrassed that it is only a matter of time before the little doggie to find a new name..."

Nope. Ass is still firmly in place, thank you very much. Why are you so interested in putting your hands on my ass?

Oh, BTW...I've never posted as Simple Simon.

GASP! You realize that means there is more than one person who thinks you're an idiot? The horror!

You condemn me for changing handles, yet you say nothing about others who do it, because I disagree with the imc party line.

You do realize that makes you a flaming hypocrite, don't you?

I'm sticking with "nonanarchist". Get used to it, Chicken Boy.

and it just shows that the military is
getting too much funding to pay you to be at your keyboard.
This is your mission. Protecting us. Thanks a lot, Skippy.
This kind of military expence can be done without. As you can be done without.

Anarchist: Man is nobel enough to live without government.

Nonanarchist: I'm a lazy bum sucking off the tit of the state.

Write your elected representatives.

If you know who they are.

Tell me that.

What are you afraid of?

Why can't you tolerate criticism?

Is it because, deep down, you realize your philosophy is a failure?

Anarchy will never work.

I have also monitored your harassment of Arab, Muslim, and Anarchist forums for 1 1/2 years. I know why you come here and I know what your goals and techniques are. You are not here to argue, you are here to harass. There is a very big difference between the two.

You have never demonstrated one ounce of integrity, honest, ethics, or logical intent. You are unworthy of a discussion.

...with someone else.

But you have a history of that, don't you?

I've only been coming here since, oh, March or so. la-imc is the only newswire I regulary visit. And I never visit Muslim, Arab, or anarchist forums.

However, you seem, with no proof, to have made up your mind who I am.

And if I'm "unworthy of a discussion", why are you wasting your evenng on me?

Don't you have some bumperstickers to print?

I CALL MYSELF NONANARCHIST
INSTEAD OF
DAVE MAN

DAVEMAN OF SHAW AIR FORCE BASE
THEN I
LL GO BY
SIMPLE SIMON
THEN
ERIC


WHAT A SCHITZO!!!!!!

LOL

Then you, sir, are the biggest liar on IndyMedia.

Nope, Fido, you are SimpleSimondavemanmrwilsonwhatever...no doubt about it. Changing your handle after appearing so foolish that nobody pays any attention to you, So, craving attention so badly, you change handles...also respond to your own posts in an effort to make it seem like the dingbats are more plentiful...but, sadly, you are too stupid to pull it off (notice how Simple Simon has magically reappeared...speak of the dickhead and the dickhead appears). If you are being paid for what you are doing, then your bosses ought to fire your inept ass....you'd be more useful peeling spuds...

You are a lying shit of no honor or integrity. If you are who you claim to be then you should resign your commision in disgrace. You are a poor excuse for a human being and an embarrassment to anyone who has ever worn a uniform.

But, besides that, you're probably not too bad.....

Hey KPC, how's your daughter?

I haven't been around much lately, I changed jobs and don't spend any time in front of a computer during the day.

I checked in last week, and as usual, your side is getting it's rear end kicked by some conservative or other - and you are convinced that we are all the same person.

So last year Bush Admirer and I were the same.
And in spring of this year, Eric, and Daveman and Fresca were all actually me as well.
Now Nonanarchist is actually me.

Pathetic.

Listen sonny boy, I'm Simple Simon and Simple Simon only. I'm the same guy who's kicked your butt (cyber-style, natch) so many times you wear it for a hat. I don't hide behind anyone's skirt.

It is nice to see that you haven't cleaned up your diction. I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

You may return to your usual totalitarian boot-licking now you cowardly rat.

I surfed Old Man's the other day, by the by.

Ever determined to be a flat-Earther.

Have I changed handles? Yes, but not for the reasons you think.

Have I ever posted as Simple Simon? No.

Have I ever changed nicks to respond to myself? No, that little bit of brilliance is reserved for libbies/annies, KOBE, and DeVoy, for various reasons.

I am not being paid to post here. The fact that you think people have to be paid to disagree with you speaks volumes about your position...and none of it is flattering.

I am who I say I am. If you have trouble with that, that's your problem, not mine. I saluted my country's flag today and silently reaffirmed my oath to protect the right of even morons such as yourself to say what you like. You are hardly qualified to judge my service. You have repeatedly proven yourself to be without honor, integrity, or even morals. Furthermore, you constantly substitute profanity for rational thought.

In short, you, your politics, and your opinions are totally meaningless to me.

And believe me...I'm not alone in those sentiments.

Yeah, whatever Fido...

...why don't you and your several selves have a little cirlce jerk here...I could use a good laugh...

"...I could use a good laugh..."

You need go no futher than your reflection in the mirror.

Why are you still talking? I dismissed you already.

I guess you were too stupid to notice.

I was "typing", not talking, idiot.

Unlike you, I can type without moving my lips and mumbling along...

Fido:"....totalitarian boot-licking..."

you mean like this???


god....i get all choked up everytime I see that picture....looks like they just finished necking...

that's a military term aint it?
figures, one with military background wld use a n army word as "dismissal"-----that's pretty lame there N/A---...try thinkin for yrsef__

That was Simple Simon who use that phrase, not me. But you just go ahead and think we're the same person, if that makes you less afraid.

Johnny: No, it's not a military term. I'm sure some of your previous employers have used it on you. Perhaps you need to try a little independent thought yourself, rather than blindly following the "military people are mindless killbots" line of non-thinking.

He is also the only Nobel winner who someone has actually apologised for giving an award to.

What about the palentinians graves.Oops I'm sorry I guess they don't matter

THE WORLD WE HAVE CREATED

THE WORLD WE HAVE CREATED