http://www.guardian.co.uk/chile

The U.K. Guardian provides excellent coverage on the history of the Chilean revolution, the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende... and the 1973 U.S. backed coup of Fascist General Augusto Pinochet.

I think it was WBAI and the eyewitness accounts were troubling.
Once you allow the military into the house it means bad trouble for the people. Excuses to protect property from a growing class of poverty are the friends of
the keepers of the gate.

Allende was a marxist. He put marxist policies in action in Chile and naturally, these destroyed the economy. People were hungry, not getting paid and wanted change. What did Allende do about this? Nothing. Allende's own marxist policies directly led to the military takeover.

This, remember, was the height of the Cold War. Why should the US help to save an ally of the USSR?

The US policy of supporting the Pinochet government was the right thing to do.

Allende was a marxist. He put marxist policies in action in Chile and naturally, these destroyed the economy. People were hungry, not getting paid and wanted change. What did Allende do about this? Nothing. Allende's own marxist policies directly led to the military takeover.
This, remember, was the height of the Cold War. Why should the US help to save an ally of the USSR?
The US policy of supporting the Pinochet government was the right thing to do
poor little Chile.
The elected leader was killed in a CIA assisted regime change and bloodbath which followed because he had this idea of sovernty. They had their CIA engineered chaos and
in came the military. And round ups. And firing squads . Just the way josef likes it.

" because he had this idea of sovernty"

People will never find anything soverign about living under Marxism or democratic socialism.

>Despite the brutality of the Pinochet regime, Chile is much better off today than would have been the case with Allende in power.
Why would anyone think this? Certainly the subjects of brutality would not agree.
>Chile is one of the most successful countries in Latin America today. Cuba is one of the most unsuccessful.
In what respects do you measure success? The intensity of embargoes and terrorism vs. the compliance of the local government to allow material and labor to enjoy their freedom from indigenous environmental or labor concerns?
>If Allende had stayed in power, Chile would be at the bottom of the list of latin American countries alongside Cuba. Instead they're now at the very top. They have only the CIA to thank for helping them to dump Allende
Ok, enough is enough. I know you will not concede. For the curious, the dirty tricks Mr. Kissenger and his weasels in the AFL-CIO the WELL funded destabilizing efforts and the long list of assassinations are an epic of wetwork and dirty deals culminating in the reign of terror as Allende is murdered in his refusal to step down and the torture centers round ups and disappearances consolidated the clamp on all the things Bush Admirer hates. Freedom of expression, freedom to organize for collective bargaining, and freedom from socialism for the poor rather than the wealthy.
He should have been at the initial stadium round ups as the people who had been rounded up, bewildered and disbelieving had Many Bush Admirers with machine guns to demonstrate their views and opinions.

"Freedom of expression, freedom to organize for collective bargaining, and freedom from socialism for the poor rather than the wealthy."

The above mentioned events, and especially any concept of "freedom" for the common man, are foreign to Marxist governments like that of Allende.

empty words sos
The CIA, working for a multiple corporate interests tuned one of the most democratic nations on earth into a serious hell. You would approve.

"one of the most democratic nations on earth"

There is nothing democratic about marxism. Marxism and freed cannot exist together. Marxism is the absence of freedom. You would approve.

For an anti-moron, you are anything but.

Wonderful. A scholar on Marx. Please explain to the uninformed, your
analysis of worker of the world vs. the Parasitic over class.

I'll do you one better. I'll point to that great experiment in Marxism: The Soviet Union.

Oh, that's right! To you defenders of slavery via marxism, the Soviet Union wasn't really "marxism", it was state controlled capitalism. You know, you gotta rename it something since it didn't work out the way it was drawn up, and it certainly could NEVER be that marxism is a failure and therefore the Soviet Union was the natural result of the failure of marxism. Oh, No!!!! Marxists can never admit that the formula is flawed. The formula got corrupted, Yeah, that's it! You can say that marxism was revised by the Bolsheviks. You must, above all else, even in the light of obvious failure, protect the "idea" of marxism. Yeah, yeah, that's it!! Cover it up!! Cover it up!!

Moron.

love your neighbor but watch your potato patch.
but anyway.....
And you're saying that the failure of the Allende government was because they were Marxist?
liar boy.
Don't want anyone to know about how the failure was accomplished do you?
do a search - CIA+Chile-
I found this one to be interesting.
. . . Military had all roads to Santiago blocked. Lid was on TIGHT inside city. Everyone on streets not wearing right color jersey stood an excellent chance of getting shot. Allende managed to personally broadcast two "MAYDAY" messages. The first, at 0830, sounded strong and confident as he summoned the workers and students. The second at 0945 sounded morose, almost as if he was preparing the eulogy for his dying government. It was his last broadcast as the Air Force soon located and rocketed his antennae. The hour was 1015. . . .

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ciachile.htm

"And you're saying that the failure of the Allende government was because they were Marxist?"

No. I'm saying marxism and freedom cannot co-exist. History has documented this well. People living under marxist regimes are slaves to the marxist leaders. Chile was the same as any other marxist country.

Chile was the same as any other marxist country.

oh I know that. Cuba is also enduring the results of many years of terrorism and enconomic warfare from the U.S.

Ah, Cuber, the worker's paradise. Where boatloads of people are lining the shores of Florida to travel in rickety watercraft so they can risk their lives at sea in hopes of arriving and living in the worker's paradise of Cuber.

HAHAHAHA

The Soviet Union "endured", for a while.

Marxism is a failure.

Can we meet? Nothing would bring me more pleasure than to dance around the maypole with you.

you call that a maypole?
Boat loads of people dieing for a Coke perhaps? Good marketing.
I doubt that they would leave or want to without the troublesome blockade and terrorist cells from their northern neighbors.

Oh, yeah! There's no place the people of Cuba would rather be than under the thumb of marxism. Gee, who wouldn't want to live their lives as slaves to the state, having your personal possessions confiscated, having any dreams that come natural to the human spirit stripped away, freedom but a past memory and no hope in sight. Wow!! Where can we all sign up!?!

That's right!! All those people leaving the worker's paradise of Cuber on rickety watercraft to come to their northern neighbor isn't real at all. It's all a publicity stunt, smoke and mirrors, computer generated pictures to convince the people of America that it's really happening. Thanks for clearing that up.

tisk
such a froth.

Now the 'worker's paradice' provides free health care to everyone despite the harsh limits on supplies and equipment.
Your condemnation towards Cuba could echo our own country now
with the provisions of the Patriot Act and other repressive laws

"to live their lives as slaves to the state, having your personal possessions confiscated, having any dreams that come natural to the human spirit stripped away, freedom but a past memory..."

so don't fall off of your 'dirty commie' soap box.
but then again, I'm debating a shill for wall street so I don't expect to receive anything but the usual hype, cut and paste or baloooooooney.

There's no such thing as a free lucnh, you dirty commie!

Here's a wonderful article about your "free health care."

"Single-payer socialized medicine a killer in New Zealand

New Zealand's highly touted free cradle-to-the-grave public health system was in tatters Sunday after the death of a man whose family had for three weeks desperately tried to make health authorities give him life-extending medical treatment. Rau Williams died in Whangarei Hospital, north of Auckland, just hours after the Court of Appeal, in an emergency sitting, ruled that hospital managers Northland Health did not need to resume kidney dialysis treatment. "He was drowned by three top judges and two clinicians," his nephew Jim Shortland said."

http://www.iatrogenic.org/newzealand.html

Do a search. All over the socialized medicine world, people are waiting on long lists for life-saving operations, kidney dialysis that never comes, ambulances going from hospital to hospital because there's not enough room, etc....

People, keep in mind, currently if your doctor provides and incorrect diagnosis and you are injured as a reslut, you can sue for damages. Under socialized medicine, there is no redress. The government pays the bills. More than likely, all doctors will be government employees. You sue the doctors, you're suing the government. You can't sue the government.

They cut off the wrong leg? Tough!!

That was me. It's really all I have. I'm a conservative.

and I bet you'd like it better then the 'war o terror' hmmmm?
you're (yer) fun to rile.

"but then again, I'm debating a shill for wall street so I don't expect to receive anything but the usual hype, cut and paste or baloooooooney."

Good job! Whenever we liberals have nothing to offer worth consideration, which is 100% of the time, we can always resort to calling people shills and claiming that anything that destroys our little orange sky world is C&P baloooooooooney. Way to go!!

You need health care
by Rob Richmen Monday September 08, 2003 02:43 AM
www.http:/@ mentalhealth.gov

and I bet you'd like it better then the 'war o terror' hmmmm?
you're (yer) fun to rile.

"You need health care"

Most everyone needs healthcare. There are a few lucky one whose genes make it so they never have to go to a doctor all their life. But to those who need it, it's not free.

"and I bet you'd like it better then the 'war o terror' hmmmm?"

I'd perfer peace. Maybe these militant islamics will wake up and smell the coffee one day.

"you're (yer) fun to rile."

If you say so. HA!

Socailized healthcare has way too many problems. Until the bugs can be worked out, and I highly doubt they can be, I want nothing to do with it.

Marxism, on the other hand, just sux!!!

"You need health care"
Most everyone needs healthcare. There are a few lucky one whose genes make it so they never have to go to a doctor all their life. But to those who need it, it's not free.
"and I bet you'd like it better then the 'war o terror' hmmmm?"
I'd perfer peace. Maybe these militant islamics will wake up and smell the coffee one day.[*] oh and all these violent 'Islamist' are the cause of all the problems. You may wish to read about our own endeavors in that region paying particular attention to the dealings of SOC and other Rockefeller business agreements. Don't blame the results of malicious meddling on the people.
"you're (yer) fun to rile."
If you say so. HA! [*] I'm the funnest person alive. You may preform proscanesus, do it now.
Socailized healthcare has way too many problems. Until the bugs can be worked out, and I highly doubt they can be, I want nothing to do with it. [*] the bugs can be fixed with funding and some public input. You just want to keep health care as a cash cow for insurance stockholders, CEOs and managers. Get a job.

"Get a job."

I already have a job: making an idiot out of myself here at LA-IMC.

"the bugs can be fixed with funding and some public input."

Of course. Let's just throw money at it.

"You just want to keep health care as a cash cow for insurance stockholders, CEOs and managers. Get a job."

No, I want to keep it out of the hands of politicians.

I'd support anarchy lightyears before I'd support your liberal policies. Making sure that big government cannot have control over people's lives is not even up for debate. It would be better to have no government at all.

"It would be better to have no government at all."

Yeah! That way, I could kill morons like you and suffer no consequences for it. Great!

The feeling is mutual.

That was me. It is really all I have. I'm a conservative.

You conservatives are so evil and mean. I hate you. You go after them, boyfriend.

>Making sure that big government cannot have control over people's lives<
do you know how silly that statement is? You would rather be
Making sure that corporations can have control over people's lives?

At least the government is supposed to work for us without profit.
We already pay them.

"At least the government is supposed to work for us"

But they're not. They're looking to steal our hard-earned money and give it away to people who feel like the world owes them a living so they can buy their votes.

Given the choice between liberalism (governemnt control) and anarchy, I'll take anarchy.

Let's make this clear, in anarchy, there is no single-payer healthcare.

?
Is that North or South Anarchy?

In a world of anarchy as a way of life, direction is irrelevant unless you're going someplace. No borders. No maps but topo maps. No "free" healthcare.

At least the government is supposed to work for us without profit.
We already pay them.

But they're not.

The Antagonost
[In a world of anarchy as a way of life, direction is irrelevant unless you're going someplace. No borders. No maps but topo maps. No "free" healthcare.]

repost+^+
by Rob Richmen Monday September 08, 2003 04:18 AM

At least the government is supposed to work for us without profit.
We already pay them.


Antagonist
[by repost pt. 2 Monday September 08, 2003 04:20 AM

But they're not.]

Well duh Brainiac, of course they don't in the most part. The enemy wants to make sure they only serve the shaddows,
That's why we need some intense light into your enforced negativity and darkness..

What we need to do is get government off our back and out of our lives. Single-payer healthcare is only going to involve them even more deeply into our lives, give them more control, allow them more access to our behaviors and our private lives.

I swear, for people who mistrust the government so much and are contantly complaining about how they misuse their power, you certainly are willing to hand over your health to them on a silver platter. Do you believe that after all the things the government constantly screws up all the time that they are suddenly going to get this one right?

1.)I swear, for people who mistrust the government so much and are contantly complaining about how they misuse their power, you certainly are willing to hand over your health to them on a silver platter. Do you believe that after all the things the government constantly screws up all the time that they are suddenly going to get this one right?
It's funny these instant anarchists (arachnid) now want government out of our lives when they are so happy to give BIG brother the rights to trample the constitution and pay for unpopular wars but become offended when the are being asked ( nicely) to contribute to the 'general welfare' .

>It's funny these instant anarchists (arachnid) now want government out of our lives when they are so happy to give BIG brother the rights to trample the constitution and pay for unpopular wars but become offended when the are being asked ( nicely) to contribute to the 'general welfare' .

Let's make this clear: I'm not in favor of anarchy, it's just superior to liberalism. That's right, having no government at all is better than liberalism.

Because you and people like you believe the Constitution is being trampled upon doesn't mean that it is. Under the current government, you are free to express yourself and claim that the Constitution is being ripped apart. Under marxism, people get shot or thrown in the gulog for speaking out against the government.

Because you say it is an unpopular war doesn't mean that is it. Again under marxism, any criticism of the government or its policies is a receipe for death.

I already "contribute to the general welfare," which is part of the problem, is that I contribute too much of what I make to the general welfare. I and many others could take care of ourselves and freely contribute to people or organizations who would help the poor and sick and downtrodden, or have more time to volunteer ourselves to help our fellowman if we could keep more of our own hard-earned money.

1.)hard-earned money.
How you make or acquire the money is important.
The target of my assault on the current system involves the repair of current
structures to eliminate the unfair or illegal or immoral acquisition of wealth.
2.)Got something to hide?

>How you make or acquire the money is important.

I'm a member of the working class.

>The target of my assault on the current system involves the repair of current structures to eliminate the unfair or illegal or immoral acquisition of wealth.

If that's the case, marxist liberalism is not the answer.

>Got something to hide?

No. Mind your own business. Get your goddamned hands outta my wallet.

now what would give you the idea that anyone but the criminals
would have their hand in your wallet?
member of the working class yup...(coff coff ) I believe you I really do.

>now what would give you the idea that anyone but the criminals would have their hand in your wallet?

Liberals are criminals. Anyone who over taxes the people are criminals.

>member of the working class yup...(coff coff ) I believe you I really do.

I don't really care if you do or not. It doesn't change me having to get up in the morning and working to provide necessities for my family. Maybe you're from a rich family and can afford not to work. I'm not so fortunate.

1.)so you're a working class guy......
2.)And you are against cleaning the corporate thierves and phycos out of government and TAKE OUT THE PROFIT to turn it over to democratic control because it is marxism..... and you hate marxism because it means totalanareism. This is because of the CCCP ( USSR) structure of government which was bolshivism with its own attendant class tiers and privileged elite was again suppressive towards the greater population (you, for instance) and now you want to throw off all of the socialistic benefits your were privileged to enjoy and feign abhorrence to the extent of turning anarchistic!
3.)so ridding corporate control from the reigns of policy=USSR. Hmmmm.
4.)Smooth logic there. Great job.

Rob, you can't connect leggos, much less a coherant thought.

How do you connect my desire for less government control over our daily lives to believing I want something else to take its place?

And as I figured, marxism can't be blamed by the likes of those like you for the failures of the Soviet Union. You've got to call it something else, in this case, "which was bolshivism with its own attendant class tiers and privileged elite was again suppressive towards the greater population." You just can't admit that marxism was a failure. Oh, No! It just wasn't done the right way.

No, I've seen the result of marxism around the world, and I want nothing to do with it. If you thought about it, you wouldn't either.

Taking money away from working people in the form of higher taxes to fund all these social programs including "free" health care is not freedom. You never addressed this, and I can see why, but when you hand over to the government the task of paying for your healthcare, they are going to want satisfaction for what they paid, and that means access to your private medical records. They'll have your blood, they'll have your DNA, they'll know your habits, they'll know it all. You people on here fear the government knowing too much about you already. Well, hand them over single-payer healthcare, and just watch what all they'll know about you. And how they'll use it. You're going to see national databases on you that you didn't know could exist. And you will have just handed it over to the government on a silver platter.

remember every1 dont give blood this 9-11.

after all its so unfair how we have to pay extra taxes to subsidize the lifestyles of those too lazy to work. as for a national health care plan, i only go to the hospital once every 10 years, why should i have to pay just so that those less fortunate than I can get adequate medical care?

so remember all y'all republicans, the same way that its tough luck for those less fortunate people without medical insurance, its tough luck for the people killed in events like sep 11th.

im not gonna give blood or give money to any charities. why should I? why should i care bout the less fortunate when i could instead spend the charity money buying doritos and dip for monday night hickball *cough* i mean football?

dont give blood or money to charity!
its their tough luck for being victims

thank you republicans for helping me to see the light

"when you hand over to the government the task of paying for your healthcare, they are going to want satisfaction for what they paid,"

hello? you are describing a profit driven system. Look around. The existing social programs like farm subsidy, taxed paid logging roads
full purse(yours and mine) for the pentagon and defense partnerships and police and prison industry already exits. Are you also protesting those? They sure are not being means tested. Just the crumbs being thrown at the welfare spending. Come on.

Go fuck yourself, you yid.

"buying doritos and dip for monday night hickball *cough* i mean football"

We've got a plan that will cause the working class people to want to join us in our mutual concerns. We're going to spit in their faces and make fun of them and the things they consider to be enjoyable to them. Yeah, that's it!! How could they help but want to be a part of us then!!

That was wonderful....for a monkey, ignatus. Glad you're helping them along assuming there are more than one of you.

So, X

How does what you said:

"im not gonna give blood or give money to any charities. why should I? why should i care bout the less fortunate...."

coincide with what I said:

"[I alreday pay too much in taxes] I and many others could take care of ourselves and freely contribute to people or organizations who would help the poor and sick and downtrodden, or have more time to volunteer ourselves to help our fellowman if we could keep more of our own hard-earned money."

Hmmmmmmm.................??

Rob,

>hello? you are describing a profit driven system.

No. I'm fully aware you want it to be non-profit. That doesn't mean it will stay that way. And, that still isn't going to keep the government from obtaining the information and setting up databases to be used for later. You know, later on once having control over healthcare isn't enough. Later on when they want to micro-manage the life of every person. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. You're ending up in the same place you fear if corporations take over, only difference is you're taking a different road, the road of big government taking over. Rome started out as a republic, then they got Caesar and things were going so well at first, the people didn't really care they had thrown the republic down the drain. Then the shit hit the fan.

"Go fuck yourself, you yid."

We've got a plan that will cause the Jewish people to want to join us in our mutual concerns. We're going to spit in their faces and hurl slurs at them. Yeah, that's it!! How could they help but want to be a part of us then!!

This message brought by you by Linden LaRouche for President.

http://larouchein2004.net/index.html

" if corporations take over" Maybe we're on the same track here but in different cars.
Let me try again unless you are purposely muddying the waters.
Corporations (as I have given examples) have already taken over.
If you removed the blood suckers from the public purse there would be lower taxes and more social service ( an investment in the future and a safeguard to the health of a culture) with an attendant way to allow public input to the functions of our government to prevent abuses..
You can start your marxist rant but it is, after all the histrionics, just another boogey man. Stop attempting to paint with such a broad brush.
As a 'Working person', I find it difficult to believe you would shun the concept of a single payer health care plan that would keep a financial risk like a critical health issue from bankrupting you from being developed. I suspect other motives for your disdain.

That's OUR plan, you Heebs!

>Corporations have already taken over.

I disagree. "Rollerball" was a great movie, especially the original with James Caan, but we are not living in a world where corporations control the world, and the great Jonathon E. is not skating around the rink.

>and more social services

I don't want social services performed by the government. Private donations to charities by individuals, that's OK. Privatize. Keep it in the hands of the common man. People caring for other people because they want to. You're going to have the same problem with healthcare you have with welfare. It's the attitude of "I don't need to help that person. I pay taxes that's supposed to do that." And you know damn well it exist out there already. If we've reached a point in our society where we don't care enough about each other to help our fellowman, then no government mandated program will save us from ourselves.

>you would shun the concept of a single payer health care plan

For two reasons:

1) It involves the government controlling it, and
2) My health and the health of my family is my responsibility, not yours. I have no right to impose upon you my problems. If you volunteer to help me and I accept, that's different. But my responsibility rests upon me and me alone. I'll take care of me and my own and everyone else needs to do the same.

So I, as a taxpayer, won't have to pay for your extended stay in a rubber room? Great!

No. But you will have to pay for fakers stay. He can't afford it.

Well, since this "faker" exists only in your head, it is you who will be checked into a rubber room. And the best part is that it won't cost me one red cent!

Oh course I only exst in my head. That's why I'm here.

Poor faker. Wants someone else to pay his way for him. What's the matter faker? The idea of growing up and actually assuming responsibility for yourself in this cold, cruel world a little more than you can handle? Time to move outta mommy and daddy's basement and try and make it on your own, if you can.

Okay, I'm back. The faker took over momentarily, but I told him to leave and let me come out. The faker is only one of my many personalities.

I will never move out of my mommy and daddy's basement. They pay for my team of psychiatrists.

Poor faker. Stuck in mommy and daddy's basement, unable to care for himself. Typical liberal.

chile sept 11 1973:kissinger masterminds terror.

us sept 11 2001:kissinger masterminds terror.

celebrative choice of date.

"Private donations to charities by individuals, that's OK. Privatize."
yes corporations have taken over despite your reference to a Hollywood fantasy.
Now comes the privatize rant. This is just another excuse to give public recourses to the corporations. Private property from public treasury.
Thanks for making your position very clear.

Do you enjoy having conversations with yourself? It sure does seem like it!!!!

>>Allende was a marxist. He put marxist policies in action in Chile and naturally, these destroyed the economy>>:

any proof,or are you to be trusted blindly,little dork?

and by the way,if you go to one of the articles in the sunday link offered by the poster,you'll find out how nixon the massmurderer terrorist had earmarked 10 million bucks "to make the chilean economy scream" in sabotage of allende.

>yes corporations have taken over despite your reference to a Hollywood fantasy

You're the one living in Fantasyland.

>Now comes the privatize rant. This is just another excuse to give public recourses to the corporations.

Exactly how is me donating money to a church or a privately operated all-volunteer organization to help my fellowman link to me giving money to corporations?

I'll gladly fight along side anarchists before I allow big government to take over my life. Better we have no government at all than liberalism.

Great! Then I could KILL morons like you without suffering any consequences. Outstanding!

>>The US policy of supporting the Pinochet government was the right thing to do.>>:

how about supporting democracy instead?

"Exactly how is me donating money to a church or a privately operated all-volunteer organization to help my fellowman link to me giving money to corporations?"

You're the one who brought the concept of "Privatize" into the statement on charity.
That's why I bit.
Also your attempt to link charity to a suitable replacement for such items as free clinics and better schools is problematic in poorer sections of our country. It is our country, right? These are our people, right? United we stand, right?
Such a load of ......excuses.

tax-deductible charity organizations...

everyone knows that rich pigs donate to charities in order to get taxed less...which means even less money for medicare public ed etc...

and who oversees if the charities are really helping the poor for free with that dough?

>Also your attempt to link charity to a suitable replacement for such items as free clinics and better schools is problematic in poorer sections of our country.

No, it's not. Why couldn't I donate to an area where the need was greatest? I'm not limited to my own backyard.

>United we stand, right?

I don't stand united with people who would gladly hand over to big brother things that we the people apart from the government can do better, be more efficient, and at a lower cost. This big brother government you love has a way of wanting to continue growing until they decide one day that freedom for the common man is just a little too inconvienient for them and what they want to do. But by the time you realize it, it's too late, you're already in the concentration camps. I've seen the USSR and what it did. No, thanx for dropping by.

At least in anarchy, I can group myself with people who are like me and we can control our own destiny.

>they all give a check to tax-deductible charity organizations...
everyone knows that rich pigs donate to charities in order to get taxed less...which means even less money for medicare public ed etc...

So, you actually believe that the government isn't wasteful when it comes to spending on medicare, public ed, etc...?

>and who oversees if the charities are really helping the poor for free with that dough?

And would you have us believe the government is any better at overseeing funds for the poor?

Great! We have people who trust bureaucracy more than they trust their fellowman to to the right thing.

" At least in anarchy, I can group myself with people who are like me and we can control our own destiny."
friend, the only reason you're sputtering about divorcing yourself from government is because you believe you can martial the resources to keep yourself and your 'private property' from the mobs without the assistance of the state. You are sounding more like my friend
Siesel Richman who has more than enough means to carry a private army, school, fire deptment and road system. Good for you. No wonder you hate taxes.
However, if you made the wealth here, by the common weath of the people....( you know, public lands public air waves public owned pention funds...) I have this to say (with MANY others)
Pay up or ( I love this) leave.
See? Isn't anarchism great?

"At least in anarchy, I can group myself with people who are like me and we can control our own destiny."

Yeah, and the best part is that I could KILL rejects like you and not suffer any consequences for it.

>and your 'private property'

There is no private property in anarchy. However, collectives will form and people will continue to live on the land. It won't be a great deal different than what we have now, just no government to madate we personally provide for things that is the responsibility of other individuals to provide for themselves.

>Pay up or ( I love this) leave.

I already pay taxes.

>See? Isn't anarchism great?

Compared to liberalism/marxism, Yes.

>>So, you actually believe that the government isn't wasteful when it comes to spending on medicare, public ed, etc...? >>:

no I don't - but the govt - at least in thory - can be changed by the people,whareas private charities can't.

all yer private property
is target for yer enemy
and yer enemy
is we!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"ttp (smashtheleft)
by anti-smashtheleft Wednesday September 10, 2003 01:39 AM
Great! Then I could KILL morons like you without suffering any consequences. Outstanding!"

"ttp(smashtheleft)
by anti-smashtheleft Wednesday September 10, 2003 02:14 AM
"At least in anarchy, I can group myself with people who are like me and we can control our own destiny."
Yeah, and the best part is that I could KILL rejects like you and not suffer any consequences for it."

You said it twice now. Wanna go for three?

Besides, smashtheleft is Agent "A". I'm Agent "B".

" It won't be a great deal different than what we have now,"
wanna bet?
How much? Everything?
don't let me stop you however from waiving your maxist stck againts the growing awareness of the people that some have too much wealth because they're getting fat from being sucked dry from corporate corruption and its involvement in the government that belongs to us.
Spin away little spider.

>no I don't - but the govt - at least in thory - can be changed by the people,whareas private charities can't.

Oh yeah. It's a lot easier to change the direction of a private charity than it is the government.

Let's see, a private charity shows itself to be corrupt, I can discontinue contributing.

The government shows itself to be corrupt and I can discontinue..........uhhhhhh, no I can't.

>all yer private property
is target for yer enemy
and yer enemy
is we!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What private property? There is no private property in anarchy.

Yeah, and I'm "Agent C" who's looking to knock off "Agent A" and "Agent B."

>the growing awareness of the people that some have too much wealth because they're getting fat from being sucked dry from corporate corruption and its involvement in the government that belongs to us.

Then anarchy should be right up your alley. ther is no class, there are no corporations, it's just people working together for the common good. No war but class war. No maps but topo maps. All one big happy family of man with no heirarchy. You would love it!

Who cares if anarchy is against the laws of nature, right?

MORON.

Talk to this guy. Tell him anarchy is against the laws of nature.

nessie@sfbg.com

Or go to SF-IMC and take him on. Moron.

You don't stand a chance against nessie.

"You don't stand a chance against nessie."

Unsubstantiated Allegation
For more on logic at your level, try reading "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Logic."

MORON.

slippery little bastard aren't you?
You need to have a working DEMOCRATIC government applied with my #11 combat boot (11D) to your ass.
Get off the people's tit and haul yer load. Stop yer bitching and keep yer hands out of MY wallet. No More subsidies for lard asses and suckups. We need a bad cleanup and disinfectant here. Not yer rollerball fun ride.

I'm staying on message.

I'm serious about you and anarchy getting along. No government means no heirarchy, no corporations, everyone working and living as one for one common cause, no poverty, no hunger, no healthcare expenses, living off the land. For someone who worries about corporations taking over and people living in need it's the perfect solution.

Who cares if anarchy is against the laws of nature, right?

MORON.

Go talk to nessie. He can explain the ways of anarchy more perfectly to you.

In other words, you don't know a damn thing about it. Thanks for clearing that up.

I know all about it. You don't. Go talk to nessie. Tell him anarchy is against the laws of nature. See what he says. Can you do that little? Here, I'll help.

http://sf.indymedia.org/

I already KNOW what he says. Here's what YOU say: "Sorry, mister, but I don't know a damn thing about anarchy. I must refer you to someone who is as stupid as I am."

Ok, go over and tell nessie than not only is anarchy against the laws of nature, but that's he's also stupid. Go for it!

Here's that link again.

http://sf.indymedia.org/

So faker, why don't go depart from you usual foolishness and tell us why anarchy is against the laws of nature. If you can.

Yes, please tell us because I can't.

I already KNOW the answer. Here's what YOU say: "Sorry, mister, but I don't know a damn thing about anarchy. I must continue to say it is against the laws of nature but never attempt to explain why."

So now I'm supposed to be this imaginary "faker?" You should seek professional help. You should also learn about anarchy and how much of a failure it is.

I will continue to make fake posts in your name until you stop handing me my ass in arguments.

>You should also learn about anarchy and how much of a failure it is.

It's a glowing success compared to liberalism.

When are you going to tell us all about why anarchy is against the laws of nature, seeing you claim that it is. Prove it.

"It's a glowing success compared to liberalism."

Unsubstantiated Allegation
For more on logic at your level, try reading "Logic for Rightwing Dummies (pardon the redundancy)."

>I will continue to make fake posts in your name until you stop handing me my ass in arguments

Like this person who made a fake post in my name.

"faker in my head
by ttp Wednesday September 10, 2003 03:31 AM
Yes, please tell us because I can't."

Yep.

"You don't stand a chance against nessie."

Nessie couldn't debate the likes of Helen Keller. Neither could you.

That's why you're so anxious to go over to SF-IMC and take him on.

He's already handing your ass to you.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/1545425_comment.php#1642762

That would be because I AM nessie.

...that having been pushed face first into the mud after engauging in debate from a commenter (coff coff) our newest anarchist retreats behind many of his multiple personalities and school yard tauntings.

Oh, you mean the psycho who claims to know what animals think? What a fucking joke!

>I will continue to make fake posts in your name until you stop handing me my ass in arguments

Like this person who made a fake post in my name.

"Neither could you."
by ttp Wednesday September 10, 2003 04:08 AM
That would be because I AM nessie.


Yep.

This is TOO good. This guy's got his balls in a crack and nessie's handing him his lunch.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/1545425_comment.php#1642762

nessie, you're doing great! You can start out debating this guy, and then work your way up to debating a higher species like hampsters.

It's nice to see dingo posting back at SF-IMC again.

Actually, humans are higher than hamsters (that's how the word is spelled, MORON.)

we just KNOW that Diogenes and nessie actually posted there or here respectively. chuckle

>>You can start out debating this guy, and then work your way up to debating a higher species like hamsters.

>Actually, humans are higher than hamsters

Exactly. That's why I told nessie to debate you and then he could work his way up to a higher species, like hamsters.

Who's "we?" The voices in your head?

PSYCHO.

You should look up "human" in a dictionary, you dipshit. People are humans. Please continue to make an ass out of yourself.

You're not human. You're debris.

That's rich, coming from pond scum like you.

Yeah, I may be debris, but I got my ass handed to me on two different IMC's at the same time. Let's see you do that.

Hell, that happens to me everyday!

"^
by nessie Wednesday September 10, 2003 at 12:33 PM
That was me. It's really all I have. I'm an anarchist who lives in fantasy land."

Good. That's going to get you canned.

Me, too. Getting my ass handed to me in arguments has become a hobby of mine. I'm a conservative.

So, now nessie is this imaginary "faker?" You need a Prozac the size of a basketball.

Sit back. Relax. Got it all under control. Just ask dingo.

So, now dingo is this imaginary "faker?" You need a Prozac the size of a basketball.

Ask me what? Do you morons actually think that you scare anyone? What a laugh!

dingo
Warren V. Palin
19575 River Road
Gladstone, OR 97027-2229
503.742.0953

>So, now dingo is this imaginary "faker?"

See the above. You're next. Maybe. Depends on my mood. How I feel that day. You never know what might happen.

Okay. What's this imaginary faker's address?

Let me guess. You're one of these chickenhawks who shoots off his mouth but hides behind a proxy server. Little man.

No, I'm NOT a neoconservative. That would be you.

Ever heard of Private Investigators? Ever heard of hackers? The internet is a glass house. Just ask dingo.

Ever heard of Private Investigators? Ever heard of hackers? The internet is a glass house. Just ask dingo.

In other words, you have no fucking clue. Thanks for clearing that up!

Big words from someone who had his ass handed to him on two seperate IMC's at the same time.

You human debris you.

"Big words from someone who had his ass handed to him on two seperate IMC's at the same time."

That would be me, you jackass.

"Big words from someone who had his ass handed to him on two seperate IMC's at the same time.

You human debris you."

TRANSLATION: "I just love letting certain people know how much they get to me!"

PS: You KOBES should enroll in Psychology 101 because your knowledge about human behavior is nill.

Not a KOBE.

IDIOT.


Now go ahead, post last. You know you gotta.

"Now go ahead, post last. You know you gotta."

That would be me.

IDIOT.