JERUSALEM, Sept. 1 Finding a pattern of government "prejudice and neglect" toward Israel's Arab minority, an Israeli commission of inquiry today accused the police of using excessive force three years ago to combat riots that it said had resulted from simmering, overlooked anger.


 

It said that insensitivity by the Israeli "establishment" permitted widespread discrimination against Israeli Arabs and the buildup of a "combustible atmosphere," as, it said, a politicized Islam began to radicalize the population.

The three-member panel was charged with investigating the deaths of 13 people from police fire in October 2000, when thousands of Israeli Arabs choked streets and threw stones in solidarity with Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, who had just begun their uprising against Israel. A Jewish motorist was also killed, by a thrown stone.

Criticizing police tactics that included the use of sniper fire to disperse crowds, the report concluded that Israel "must educate its police that the Arab public is not the enemy, and should not be treated as such." More than a million of Israel's 6.6 million citizens are Arabs.

Israel identifies itself as a Jewish state, and since its founding in 1948 its Arab minority has held a vexed position in society. While many Israeli-Arabs say they enjoy political freedoms and economic opportunities that they might not find in Arab states, they generally also say that they feel like second-class citizens.



For their part, Israel's Jews increasingly regard Arab compatriots as a potential fifth column, after the convictions of a small number for aiding Palestinian terrorism.



The report, which recommended that at least one police commander be dismissed but did not call for severe sanctions against top political officials, seemed unlikely in itself to bridge the deepening divisions between Israel's Arabs and Jews. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said he would convene his cabinet to consider the findings.

Relatives of those who were killed gathered here today to criticize the commission as not going far enough. "It didn't identify or make any attempt to identify the killers," said Jamila Asleh, whose son, Asel, 17, was killed in one stone-throwing protest.

Asel Asleh, who had many Jewish friends, was a leading member of Seeds of Peace, an American-based group that promotes conflict resolution between Israelis and Arabs. Mrs. Asleh, who wore a picture of her son pinned to her lapel, said the report "shows that the future won't be so good between Arabs and Jews."

The committee found that Ehud Barak (news - web sites), then the prime minister, "was not sufficiently aware and attentive" to developments among Arabs that "created the possibility of widespread riots."



The committee did not recommend that Mr. Barak be barred from running again for prime minister, should he choose to do so. But it did bar Shlomo Ben-Ami, then the minister of public security, from ever holding that position again.

Both Mr. Barak and Mr. Ben-Ami testified to the commission. Mr. Barak, who ordered the inquiry, said that the violence took him by surprise, saying that "there was no concrete warning of such an eruption from any intelligence agency." Mr. Ben-Ami, who has since left politics, also said he had no warning. He said that the police had failed Israel's Arab citizens.

(click on the weblink for whole story)

The mistreatment of "Israeli" Arabs, who live in conditions similar to those experienced in the American South before the mid-1960's by African Americans, is not breaking news. See the excellent book published about a decade ago by Yoram Binur, an Israeli journalist who spoke fluent Arabic and who went undercover disgused as an Arab to see for himself how these people are treated in Israel. It is entitled My Enemy Myself. It will be an education for anyone who thinks that Arabs enjoy equal rights with Jews in the Holy State.

This is all just too much. Shocking!

Do you think this might have anything to do with the propensity of arabs to spontaneously explode in public oh so often?

"...you ain't the nazz,

you're just a buzz...

...some kinda TEMPORARY"

i cant believe that this idiot above "matt" lumps together the whole race of people just because of the actions of a few,

That is the same rationale that you people in America use against the black people, some commit crimes and it is broadcast all over your tv....then you assume all black africans are criminal gangmembers.

Grow up matt...

prejudice is not the answer.

"i cant believe that this idiot above "matt" lumps together the whole race of people just because of the actions of a few,

"

First of all, it's MOTT not matt.

Secondly, I'm not lumping anyone together. I'm just suggesting that perhaps the notion that it's impossible to tell who the bombers are until AFTER they blow up might have the Israeli cops a bit on edge. Or do you suppose they are all clairvoyant and should know better?

Er, you forgot to explain what the nervousness of Israeli policemen has to do with the treatment of Arabs in Israel as second class citizens since 1948. Couldn't have anything to do with racism and exploitation, could it? Or a realization that these people might be angry because their land had been stolen? Nah.

...Israel is full of JOOOOS.

You know, Meyer...the same reason YOU don't like Israel.

I noticed you wingnuts tramp out the "anti-semite" claim everytime you get trounced in and argument, which is quite often.

"Er, you forgot to explain what the nervousness of Israeli policemen has to do with the treatment of Arabs in Israel as second class citizens since 1948. Couldn't have anything to do with racism and exploitation, could it? Or a realization that these people might be angry because their land had been stolen? Nah."

Beyond the fact that the only people to have stolen any land from the "palestinians" are Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians after these "palestinians" turned down the offer of their would be state in 1948, the more than half century of arab attempts at annihilating Israel and the stated goals of groups like hamas to "kill Jews wherever they may be" is more than reason enough for Israeli police to be somewhat leary of these "peaceful" arabs.

I suspect that "palestinians" have a few prejudices (beyond the obvious wish of genocide) of their own. Or are you of the opinion that these poor souls can do no wrong.

kind of weird that even when you have an inquiry into patterns of prejudice---written PLAIN AND SIMPLE....

the neocon right wingers still sluff off any possible motives that the Israeli police are prejudiced.

DID YOU NEOCONS READ THE ARTICLE?

PS

to the idiot "sister ray"

answer me this about the evil hamas.....

Why were they funded by the israeli government.

pss

before you write somthing stupid, goto a search engine.

" the treatment of Arabs in Israel as second class citizens since 1948."

You mean the Israeli Arabs who get to vote and hold office in Israel, you know, those things they can't do in Arab countries?

"Couldn't have anything to do with racism and exploitation, could it?"

Yeah, that the Arabs wish every Jew on Earth was dead might have something to do with it.

"Or a realization that these people might be angry because their land had been stolen?"

Land taken in war is not "stolen", it's called conquered territory.

"I noticed you (bring) out the "anti-semite" claim everytime....... (blah blah blah nonsense)"

That's because it's so obvious that you hate JOOOOOOS!!

^^^^^^^^^"nonanarchist" (IP detection)

****!!!!(use false moniker)

Pretty funny how when these morons are backed into a corner...they resort to the old--"you just hate jews".

Laughable and a real indication of a closed mind who cannot debate an issue.

"Oh no!!! The Jews cant possibly be racist, they cant be prejudiced!!!! They were in the holocaust!!! We must pity them"

Does that Israeli commission hate Jews?

No.

Was the dummy above too stupid to read the article with an open mind ?

Yes.

Why else would they write....

Israel identifies itself as a Jewish state, and since its founding in 1948 its Arab minority has held a vexed position in society. While many Israeli-Arabs say they enjoy political freedoms and economic opportunities that they might not find in Arab states, they generally also say that they feel like second-class citizens.



For their part, Israel's Jews increasingly regard Arab compatriots as a potential fifth column, after the convictions of a small number for aiding Palestinian terrorism.

?????????????

----->answer me this about the evil hamas.....

Why were they funded by the israeli government.



If it is to be believed, and I'm not convinced it happened, Israel funded Hamas to undermine the PLO and Arafat. Sometimes you roll the dice and hope you can get your two enemies to kill each other. If it was indeed tried, not a bad plan. If Israel ever did it, and if Israel is able to do it again, it might be worth another shot. I'd wait until I got the wall completed and the Palestinians were isolated and unable to cross into Israel. Better yet, I'd just unleash my military and take the whole West Bank and Gaza. No one in the region could do anything about it. Might need to wait until Iraq and Iran are more settled. But no doubt, the Palestinians either need to settle their little butts down and start playing nice, or they deserve to get mowed over. The Palestinian people need to wrestle control away from the militants among them instead of regarding them as heros and get their act together and become a nice peaceful democracy and recognize Israel's right to exist and encourage all other Arab countries to do the same. That would be the smart thing for them to do. But, there's probably liberal Palestinians who have a say in matters there, so we can all kiss off the idea of them doing the smart thing.

You would have essentially supported Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, because they had an enemy (the Jews) and the means (superior military power).

You got that "wall" thing from Adolf....remember?

He walled up Jewish communities in Germany to keep them from infesting the rest of the german population.

He called them concentration camps, in the US , we called them "internment camps".

Ya see in the end, all you really support is fascism....well as long as you are not on the discriminated side....

I would not have supported Hitler. I am not a liberal.

To build a wall to keep out people who want to kill you is a lot different that what you speak about. Were the Jews trying to kill the German people?

The Jews have no desire to kill the Palestinains like Hitler wanted to kill the Jews. There is no resonable comparison.

If you have a group of people intent upon killing you, you have every right to defend yourself, and if needs be, invade them and drive them away.

There have been many walls build in history to keep out invaders. Ever heard of the Great Wall of China?

If the Palestinians feel threatened by Israel, perhaps they should build a wall. Of course, they will need to defend it. If it's war the Palestinians want, it's war they should get. Both sides should go at it, winner take all.

We don't like the truth spoken here, do we?

Nope. Can't have that.

When will you all just come clean and own up to the fact that You. Hate. Jews.

It's so obvious!

You, Meyer. Say it now: "I hate Jews."

There! Feel better now?

You shouldn't keep your true feelings hidden.

Oh, by the way:

^^^^^^^^

by la indymedia Tuesday September 02, 2003 12:46 PM

^^^^^^^^^"nonanarchist" (IP detection)

****!!!!(use false moniker)

Wrongo. I'd been logged off for over two hours by then. Your IP detector's busted, or else you're too stupid to read it right.

Or, as is more likely, you're just kaking it up.

testing testing testing September September

Ah, yes, as the right-wingers who post here have pointed out, Sharon and other heads of government in Israel since 1948 have been fighting anti-semitism by stealing land, jumping into bed with American imperialism, forming a defacto military alliance with the apartheid regime of the old South Africa, supplying guns to fascist dictators in Latin America, cozying up to reactionary American politicians like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and now Bush, sucking up to Bible loons like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and other enemies of human enlightenment, shooting teenage demonstrators, firing rockets at apartment buildings, bulldozing private homes, and supporting people like the Shah of Iran and Idi Amin of Uganda (before he turned against Israel). These actions have make life easier for Jews everywhere, including those who deplore the actions of the Zionist state. They have also done much to make anti-semitism a thing of the past.

Demanding billions in military aid from the US at a time when hospital and schools are being closed and an army of homeless people - larger than the actual armies of most Arab states - is sleeping in the streets.

The fact still remains, undisputed, that no land has ever been stolen.

Curious how that myth continues to live on here at AntiJew.com.

FYI nitwit, this website is la.indymedia.org. Damn, do you even know what year it is?

Of course the fascist rightwingers seek to say that Israel is good because those poor Jews that escaped the Holocaust could never violate anyone elses human rights.

These zionist (jewish supremists) pigs just love to lie and lie and lie.

ISRAEL IS EVIL

HERES THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL VIOLATIONS FROM 1948-1990

Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.

Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Ghazzah raid.

Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

Res 127 (Jan 22, 58): Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.

Res 162 (Apr 11, 61): Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.

Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Res 248 (Mar 24, 68): Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Res 250 (Apr 27, 68): Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Res 251 (May 2, 68): Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.

Res 256 (Aug 16, 68): Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.

Res 259 (Sep 27, 68): Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Res 262 (Dec 31, 68): Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.

Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.

Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.

Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.

Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.

Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.

Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Res 425 (Mar 19, 78): Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.

Res 427 (May 3, 78): Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.

Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.

Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.

Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.

Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.

Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.

Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.

Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.

Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.

Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.

Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.

Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.

Res 607 (Jan 5, 88): Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 608 (Jan 14, 88): Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.

Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.

Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.

Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.

Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.

Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.

Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'

Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.

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Of course the fascist rightwingers seek to say that Israel is good because those poor Jews that escaped the Holocaust could never violate anyone elses human rights.

These zionist (jewish supremists) pigs just love to lie and lie and lie.

ISRAEL IS EVIL

HERES THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL VIOLATIONS FROM 1948-1990

Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.

Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Ghazzah raid.

Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.

Res 127 (Jan 22, 58): Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.

Res 162 (Apr 11, 61): Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.

Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Res 248 (Mar 24, 68): Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Res 250 (Apr 27, 68): Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Res 251 (May 2, 68): Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.

Res 256 (Aug 16, 68): Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.

Res 259 (Sep 27, 68): Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Res 262 (Dec 31, 68): Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.

Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.

Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.

Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.

Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.

Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.

Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Res 425 (Mar 19, 78): Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.

Res 427 (May 3, 78): Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.

Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.

Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.

Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.

Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.

Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.

Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.

Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.

Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.

Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.

Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.

Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.

Res 607 (Jan 5, 88): Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Res 608 (Jan 14, 88): Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.

Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.

Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.

Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.

Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.

Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.

Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'

Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.

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Can you say "Non-binding resolutions"?

Didn't think so.

All those resolutions are mere opinions...with no teeth to enforce them.

Get over it, whiner.

Hmm. You don't suppose that is why the Palestinians concluded that they had to resort to an intifada to secure their human rights, do you? And as far as being a matter of mere opinion goes, what about the idea that Zionists in 1948 had a right to expel Arabs from their homeland and seize it for themselves on the very dubious grounds that their ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago? That is not mere opinion, of course, it is based on solid reality. Just ask Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson; they will tell you that it is just as true as the story of Noah's Ark. Of course, they may be more correct than they realize.

"You don't suppose that is why the Palestinians concluded that they had to resort to an intifada to secure their human rights, do you? And as far as being a matter of mere opinion goes, what about the idea that Zionists in 1948 had a right to expel Arabs from their homeland and seize it for themselves on the very dubious grounds that their ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago? "

Meyer, do you really think anyone is going to fall for the tripe you try and float?

A) the would-be "palestinians", after turning down staetehood in 1948 had ALL their land stolen by the arab states of Egypt, Transjordan and Syria. All of it. Somehow, your revisionist history has changed this and absolved these arab states of the only real landgrab in the region.

B) Whatever human rights the "palestinians" have lost are rights they've sacrificed in order to carry on with their barbaric goals of blaming Jews for ALL of their problems dealing with the modern world and as such trying to kill as many Jews as possible in an effort to avoid evolving.



By the way, how about those EU folk officially labeling your heroes in Hamas as a terrorist group. You know they must be scumbags if the rabid anti-Semetic EU comes down on them.

Right; I should have told peopole what really happened:

Innocent settlers, mostly from Europe, came to take possession of the Holy Land because God had promised it to them and becuaes their ancestors, including the ancestors of those with blond hair and blue eyes, had lived there 2,000 years ago. However, Arab fanatics, refusing to see the justice of giving up their homeland to these people, resorted to the use of arms to defend themselves - thus identifying themselves as terrorists, unlike the peaceful Zionists. The Zionist leaders were surrounded by barbarians on all sides, depite the fact that their army was larger and far better equipped than all the Arab armies put together. Therefore they were forced, against their will of course, to become allies of the apartheid regime in South Africa and the lawless administration of Richard Nixon. I hope this version of reality pleases you, Fresca - would you also like to hear the story of Noah' Ark or how the Easter Bunnie delivers chocolate eggs?

You have the part about arab barbarians right, but I'm still wondering when you're going to start bemoaning the fact that these "paleostinians" or whatever the hell they're calling themselves now hyad ALL of their land stolen by Egypt, Syria and Jordan? Or are you in denial of that little bit of history?

By the way, I notice you never seem to fit in the part about how most of the original land settled by the Zionists was sold to them by these "poor" native inhabitants.

I THINK THAT ADOLF HITLER WAS CORRECT WHEN HE CALLED THE JEWS "PARASITES OF THE WORLD".

THEY DONT BELIEVE IN GOD OR HEAVEN.

THEY ARENT CONCERNED WITH ANY NATIONAL PRIDE (EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL).

THEY ARE CHEAP AND ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO RIP PEOPLE OFF.

YA SEE FRESCA

IF YOU TURN YOUR BULLSHIT INTO THE OTHER WAY.

THEN YOU WILL START CLAIMING ANTI SEMITISM AND JEW HATRED.

BUT SINCE YOUR SO SECURE IN YOU JEWRY

YOU FEEL FREE TO INSULT OTHER RACES AND RELIGIONS WITH NO FORETHOUGHT OF HOW YOUR OWN PEOPLE WERE TREATED DURING THE NAZI ERA.

HOW STUPID ARE YOU

YOU ARE A PREJUDICED FILTHY ZIONIST PIG.

I know the impulse of using the caps lock when you really want to underline how stupid and uninformed you are is strong, but try a post without it. We'll all still pick up on how dim you are.

First of all, I'm not a Jew. So I'm only offended by your racism in the sense that stupidity offends me. Oh well, I expect as much from you and yours.

Now. If you can, maybe you can go back, read a few posts and try and respond intelligently. Probably not, but worth a try.

Here's a recap to help you. Please explain why Israel is somehow to balme for Egypt, Syria and Jordan stealing the land that would have been a "palestinian" state in 1948.

There. It can't get anymore simple than that. After you handled that, we'll move on. That is, if you don't have a cross to burn somewhere.

One more time. Please explain why Israel is somehow to balme for Egypt, Syria and Jordan stealing the land that would have been a "palestinian" state in 1948.

{One more time. Please explain why Israel is somehow to balme for Egypt, Syria and Jordan stealing the land that would have been a "palestinian" state in 1948. }

m- why don't you explain this for us; used often, like a rosery?^

Please explain why Israel is somehow to balme for Egypt, Syria and Jordan stealing the land that would have been a "palestinian" state in 1948.

Oh ye of little knowledge....

Fresca, have you ever done any research into the historical development of the Middle East region?

obviously no, but here it is--------

Now we know that for the last 4000 years the Middle East (especially the area around jerusalem) was in constant influx and was controlled by MANY different groups of people.

Jews (1250bc--568bc)====650 years

later from (165 bc--65bc)==100 years

WE ARE LOOKING AT 2000 YEARS AGO!!!

Greeks

Babylonians

Romans

Arab Muslims (638-till the 20th century)-1300+ years

{-Save the Crusaders (1099-1187)}

1903----the world zionist organization issues the "Basle Programme" to persuade Jews to move back to the TURKISH OTTOMAN EMPIRE to prepare for a Homeland.

(you should do some research here)

End of World War 1-----

Britain occupied the region at the end of the war in 1918 and was assigned as the mandatory power by the League of Nations on 25 April 1920.

During this period of change, three key pledges were made.

In 1916 the British Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, had promised the Arab leadership post-war independence for former Ottoman Arab provinces.

However, at the same time, the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement between war victors, Britain and France, divided the region under their joint control.

Then in 1917, the British Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour committed Britain to work towards “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”, in a letter to leading Zionist Lord Rothschild. It became known as the Balfour Declaration.

YOU DO KNOW WHAT THE BALFOUR DECLARATION IS DONT YOU?

WHAT ABOUT THE SYKES-PICOT AGREEMENT?

didnt think so.........

1922-1938

A huge Jewish / Zionist population emigrating to the Middle East and Jerusalem area.

More than 300,000 immigrants arrived.

By this time, the militant Zionist group Irgun Zvai Leumi was orchestrating attacks on Palestinian and British targets with the aim of "liberating" Palestine and Transjordan (modern-day Jordan) by force.

1948

Jewish forces, backed by the Irgun and Lehi militant groups made more progress, seizing areas alloted to the Jewish state but also conquering substantial territories allocated for the Palestinian one.

Irgun and Lehi massacred scores of inhabitants of the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem on 9 April. Word of the massacre spread terror among Palestinians and hundreds of thousands fled to Lebanon, Egypt and the area now known as the West Bank.

SO DUE TO ZIONIST TERRORISM (before Israel was a state)

THE SURROUNDING ARAB COUNTRIES FEARED A WIDESPREAD JEWISH INVASION OF THE SURROUNDING TERRITORIES.

An armistice was declared to the earlier British Mandates for Palestine.

Israel failed to adhere to the preapproved

BALFOUR DECLARATION.

Then Israel becomes a state while the rest of the Arab countries try to establish a Palestinian state.

Egypt kept the Gaza Strip while Jordan annexed the area around East Jerusalem and the land now known as the West Bank. These territories made up about 25% of the total area of British Mandate Palestine.

THESE AREAS WERE TAKEN TO PREVENT FURTHER ISRAELI TERRORISM AND USURPATION OF PALESTINIAN LANDS.

1964...PLO formed and a real attempt to create a Palestinian homeland.

Israel continues militarization and continues to spread terror amongst its neighbors

Israel starts 1967 war to squash any attempt at a Palestinian homeland and usurps surrounding lands.

Israel seized Gaza and the Sinai from Egypt in the south and the Golan Heights from Syria in the north. It also pushed Jordanian forces out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Egypt's powerful air force was put out of action on the first day of fighting when Israeli jets bombed it on the ground in a pre-emptive strike.

The territorial gains doubled the area of land controlled by Israel. The victory heralded a new age of confidence and optimism for Israel and its supporters.

The UN issued Security Council Resolution 242, stressing "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and calling for "withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict".

According ot the UN, the conflict displaced another 500,000

FINALLY THE UN HAD TO PASS RESOLUTION 242.

ISRAEL STILL ATTEMPS TO OCCUPY LANDS OUTSIDE ITS BORDERS.

TAKES JERUSALEM

MASSACRES LEBANESE,

BULLDOZES PALESTINIAN LANDS AND DISPLACES ITS PEOPLE.

SEEMS PRETTY SIMPLE......

oh to your simple question.

the British Empire is the One who stole the land and "gave it" to Israel.

There would have been no reason to even need a "Palestinian" state if it wasnt for Israeli aggression and terrorism.

THEIR WEBSITE CHECKS OUT LIKE "FRESCAS" LOGIC.

What do you mean "fresca's logic" - she HAS no logic, all she does is regurgatate dogma, as I've pointed out..



>Can you say "Non-binding resolutions"?

Didn't think so.

All those resolutions are mere opinions...with no teeth to enforce them.

Get over it, whiner.



So the entire world's "opinion" means nothing unless there's FORCE to back it up - then you act surprised when some people *resort to force*.

So when oppressed people resort to force I guess you'll just have to take your own advice - and "get over it" - no ?



Anyone notice how teflon coated these trolls are ? No matter what proof you show them it all just slides off - all the while they continue the same BS time sink game of "yes you do, no I didn't, yes israel did, no it didn't, etc...



> All those UN resolutions = tripe

See

facts and the whole world mean nothing to "her" I don't even see why you people waste your time with "her". If we just ignored "her" like trolls are ignored on other IMC's I could name, she wouldn't be on here wateing people's time - it doesn't matter what you say (in case you haven't noticed by now)



> stupidity offends me

eek !

"she" offends herself and PROJECTS.