'Dream' words misused, King says
Melanie Eversley, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, August 29, 2003

WASHINGTON -- Forty years to the day after the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. laid out his dream for America, the son of the civil rights leader admonished people who use King's words to advance causes he said King would not have supported.

Martin Luther King III, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, said he is offended when opponents of affirmative action quote the line from his father's "I Have a Dream" speech that Americans should be judged "not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." His father delivered the speech at the culmination of the Aug. 28, 1963, March on Washington.

The younger King made the comments in a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington, where he spoke about his father's legacy and where America stands in terms of civil rights.

"In recent years, I confess that I personally have gotten pretty annoyed when opportunistic politicians have attempted to twist the meaning of some of the words of my father's, particularly in the 'I Have a Dream' speech, to fit their political agendas," King told reporters.

"You really just can't take a part of that vision," he said. "You must embrace the entire vision to understand who he was and what he envisioned and what he felt could make our nation and our world a better place for all of God's children."

King was joined by the Rev. Walter Fauntroy, a former District of Columbia congressman who helped organize the original March on Washington; activist Dick Gregory; and the Rev. E. Randel Osburn, executive vice president of the SCLC. All are part of the new "Coalition of Conscience" that King has helped organize since last Saturday's commemoration in Washington of the 40th anniversary of the march.

On Thursday, the coalition launched a 15-month "rolling mobilization" in which it will visit cities that have experienced racial tension, beginning with Cincinnati, where African-Americans and police have clashed.

In mid-September, the group plans to visit Belle Glade, Fla., where local authorities ruled an African-American man's hanging as a suicide, though others suspected foul play.

Fauntroy also announced that the coalition is moving toward ensuring that as many people as possible register to vote on Jan. 15 as a present to the late King on his birthday

See: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0803/29kingson.html


Hanging awakens ghosts of past
Marcus Franklin, St. Petersburg Times, August 28, 2003

A black man's death has split Belle Glade along racial lines. While an inquest ruled it suicide, many contend he was lynched.

BELLE GLADE - The tale bears elements of another era: a black man's death by hanging, rumors of intimacy between him and a white woman, and palpable racial tension and distrust.

But the setting is not Jim Crow Mississippi. It's this modern-day Everglades farming town of 15,000 on the southern shore of Lake Okeechobee in western Palm Beach County.

The first spark flared one rainy morning in May when Bernice Golden found her 32-year-old son hanging from a schefflera tree in the expansive yard outside his grandparents' home.

After the medical examiner ruled Feraris S. "Ray" Golden's death a suicide, after investigators insisted no evidence of foul play turned up and after a circuit judge took the extraordinary step of holding a public inquest and concluded Golden killed himself, some still refuse to accept the official version.

Insisting police botched the investigation, they leave room for the possibility that someone lynched Golden, that his 5-foot 6-inch, 131-pound body became, in the words of singer Billie Holiday, strange fruit.

Three months later, Golden's death and the outcry that followed have crystallized divisions among Belle Glade residents, largely along racial lines. With some exceptions, black and white residents have retreated into two visible camps: The former, suspicious of a nearly all-white Police Department, believes Golden could have been lynched, possibly for dating a white policeman's daughter. The latter thinks Golden committed suicide and that should be the end of it.

A black state representative has called for the resignation of the city's white public safety director. A white city commissioner called the representative an outsider, prompting comparisons to segregationists who used the word to deride civil rights activists. The public safety director has accused some of exploiting the issue for political gain. Now, agencies outside Belle Glade, including the FBI and the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, are investigating.

The events also have lifted the cover of calm off the city's stark racial disparities....

See: http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/28/State/Hanging_awakens_ghost.shtml

More like a nightmare! But then again Mr Collins, beggars cannot be choosers.

She knows it too late as she's walking on by.
But don't look back in anger, I heard you say.

I think Sherman would be in the same league as Mr King. Mr King and Sherman are both idolised on my mantle piece.

I havn't heard the news today.

BRAINdead, that is.

You're outed, shill.

Do you enjoy having conversations with yourself? It sure does seem like it!

You're outed, shill.

Your psychosis bores me. From now on, I will restrict my statements of the obvious to once per thread. For you to see this as any sort of victory on your part would be a mistake, yet I expect that is exactly what you will do.

For you to deny the obvious is an indication of the depth of your illness. And for you to expect others to believe your denials is more evidence. You truly think that everyone is as stupid as you believe, when in fact, you are outthought at every turn.

Your illness is sad. It must be awful to be locked in your head. I suggest treatment for pathological lying and/or multiple personalities. Your cowardice is another challenge that might be overcome with therapy. The stupidity, however, is just something you're going to have to live with.

"You're outed, shill."


Is that all you have? Your psychosis bores me. From now on, I will restrict my statements of the obvious to once per thread. For you to see this as any sort of victory on your part would be a mistake, yet I expect that is exactly what you will do.

For you to deny the obvious is an indication of the depth of your illness. And for you to expect others to believe your denials is more evidence. You truly think that everyone is as stupid as you believe, when in fact, you are outthought at every turn.

Your illness is sad. It must be awful to be locked in your head. I suggest treatment for pathological lying and/or paranoia. The stupidity, however, is just something you're going to have to live with.

"Martin Luther King III....is offended when opponents of affirmative action quote the line from his father's "I Have a Dream" speech that Americans should be judged "not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

MLK, Jr's words are not misintrepreted. He dreamed of a day when all people would view each other as just individuals; not black or white, male or female, rich or poor, etc... It would be the "character" of the individual that would be the determining factor upon which vital decisions were made. Affirmative Action from its inception has been a policy that views individuals as being a certain race, a certain sex, a certain class, etc... It directly flies in the face of MLK, Jr's dream.

...no it doesn't. MLK was a supporter of affirmative action. It would be nice if you could twist the fact and claim that MLK would have supported your racist positions, but, the facts don't support your claim...

..but, hey, you're a Republican....Republicans don't let silly things like facts get in their way....so continue lying...stay in character....

I'm wondering how you got "racist position" out of dreams' statement: "It would be the "character" of the individual that would be the determining factor upon which vital decisions were made."

How do you do that? Recreational chemicals?

See, when i dont understand someone else's point of view.
they must be wrong, i am so smart that if i didnt understand the question--they are ignorant.
I have no compassion for myy fellow human
i am filled with contempt and hate
(im sure jesus would love that)
and in the end
if i dont understand you then i like to incite and
insult
I am an idiot.

I just asked KPC how he could perceive an obviously non-racist statement as being racist.

Perhpas you coould shed some light on the subject of extreme and deliberate misunderstanding.

"Martin Luther King III....is offended when opponents of affirmative action quote the line from his father's "I Have a Dream" speech that Americans should be judged "not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

In that case, MLK, Jr. lied. Either that or people are not willing to take his words at face value. Affirmative Action *is* based upon racial, gender, and other various preferences. It is not based upon the "content of their character".

Whenever we get to the point where, for instance, 30 job openings are avaliable, and the 30 opening are filled by the most qualified individuals rather than based upon the group having to be a certain percentage of this race or this gender or this sexual orientation, then we will have realized the "dream". If the 30 most qualified are all white men, or all black women, it doesn't matter. And the day no one takes notice of such is the day the "dream" is realized.

But, the "dream" will never be realized if we don't start today by eliminating Affirmative Action. As long as AA is in place, there will always be the wondering by individuals whether or not someone is in a certain position based upon their "character" or the "color of their skin." Eliminate AA, and the wondering of that goes away.

Reporter: "Do you feel it's fair to request a multi-billion dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or any other minority?"

Dr. King: "I do indeed...Within common law, we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs. ... America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans...They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs...There was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group." -- (Interview,1965, p.367)

"A section of the white population, perceiving Negro pressure for change, misconstrues it as a demand for privileges...The ensuing white backlash intimidates government officials who are already too timorous." -- "Negroes Are Not Moving Too Fast" (p.177)

It seems the cure to racism is a perpetual downslope. Will the day ever come when any group that is a minority in the US even claim that the playing field is level? It's doubtful that will ever happen. As long as any particular group can play the race care or the gender card or any card that is to their advantage, what we are experiencing right now will never end. Viewing people on the "content of their character" will always be trumped by "you haven't included such and such based upon this and that. This particular race makes up X% of the population and you have to include at least X% when you do something. This school test is not passed by enough of this particular race race so it has to be accomodated or this particular group needs to be given bonus points." The "dream" was dead before it even started.

It's so sad when people don't bother to read Kings entire speech. And then say King lied or the "dream" is dead. It looks like the only thing people really want is to stay ignorant and exploited.

"But, the "dream" will never be realized if we don't start today by eliminating Affirmative Action...

...[Just don't eliminate AA for white women, poor whites and the nepotism for white males like the good o' boys networks because that benefits me.]"

You got that right, 1984. It doesn't matter how many jobs are shipped overseas, how many prisons instead of colleges are built, keeping all of us claimering for the shinking number of seats into universities, it dosn't matter how much the rich top 2% are screwing all of us collectively, as long as whites are comforted by knowing that the playing field is not level and that blacks still have it worse than them, all is gravy. Now that's a dream worth fighting for.

Just curious about a couple of things:

1. How do you know that I'm comforted by knowing that the playing field is not level and that blacks still have it worse than me? This is a rather sweeping generalization, don't you think?

2. What do yo do for a living, and how did you get the position?

"It's so sad when people don't bother to read Kings entire speech."

It's so sad when people make assumptions without any evidence.

"It looks like the only thing people really want is to stay ignorant and exploited."

I have no evidence that your opinion is held by very many people. There are alot of people who agree that AA has overstepped its intended use.

"It doesn't matter how many jobs are shipped overseas, how many ...."

The above statement is completely void of economic reality......

"as long as whites are comforted by knowing that the playing field is not level and that blacks still have it worse than them"

.....and again makes assumptions without evidence. This is the voice of someone who believes bloodlines deserve recompense for things that happened in the past, things that never happened directely to them. But that is not how it is. The son does not bear the inequity of the father, neither does the father bear the inequity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

As it is currently administered, AA is a program without end. As long as their is some group who always feels they are getting the short end of the stick, we will never reach the dream of not recognizing people by their skin color, etc... but rather their character, who they are.

AA is prepetual, there will never be a time when someone or some group doesn't consider themselves to be the "victim" of some current or past wrongs, therefore the dream will never be realized. I don't know about the rest of you, but I got better things to do than to chase after goals that can never be accomplished. I'm just going to do what I've always done, which is to just do what I know to be the right thing, and let the chips fall where they may. If someone doesn't like the way the chips fall, if they preceive (falsely, I might add) that what I do has prevented them from being able to better themselves, etc..., then they are either going to have to get over their prejudice (or not) or through proper understanding come to a full knowledge of what is going on. But, I'm not going to lose any sleep over their falsely preceived "victimhood."

1. If you are not one of the people posting here opposing Affirmative Action and calling MLK a liar or fraud than I'm not talking to you.

2. None of your business. I do not reveal such information in online posts. But I can certainly lie to you if you want, seeing as you'll never know and posters on this site do it all the time.

Now unless you want to post what you actually DO believe and perhaps what dream you propose for the future instead of buying into this completely dystopian world vision than don't waste my time with these asinine character reversals.

[...]

1984 should answer the first part.

>>It doesn't matter how many jobs are shipped overseas, how many ...."

"The above statement is completely void of economic reality......"

I can't help it if you are in denial. But if you would like documentmented proof that jobs are effectively being sent to places like India and China, then I would be more than happy to find a link for you.

"...This is the voice of someone who believes bloodlines deserve recompense for things that happened in the past, things that never happened directely to them. But that is not how it is. The son does not bear the inequity of the father, neither does the father bear the inequity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

That's a crock of shit. If you inherit a house or money from your parents you also inherit the blood that covers it. According to the 2000 US census only 37% of blacks own their homes, while nearly 66% of whites own homes and will no doubt pass it own to their children (who did not EARN it through merit). And that's not because whites work harder. Even you know that no one worked harder than slaves that got zero, zip, zilch, nada for the work. So go proselytize your racist agenda elseware. No one's fooled here.

"[...][more proselytizing][...]

But, I'm not going to lose any sleep over their falsely preceived "victimhood."

And so your victimization continues. Thanks for proving my point.

>>It doesn't matter how many jobs are shipped overseas, how many ...."

"The above statement is completely void of economic reality......"

"I can't help it if you are in denial."

In denial of what? That jobs are going overseas? I'm not denying that. I'm denying that necessarily means that the fortunance of people in other countries acquiring new jobs necessarily means others have been deprived of work. There is still work to be done, it's just not those particular jobs. Like it or not, we live in a world economy.

"That's a crock of shit. If you inherit a house or money from your parents you also inherit the blood that covers it."

I know it upsets your apple cart, but I cannot be held responsible for things I had nothing to do with. If someone's father committs murder, and years later after the murderer (the father) has died DNA proves he did it, you can't throw the son in jail for what the father did.

I am not responsible for slavery. It happened before I was born. Only those who were responsible can be held accountable. I can't be expected to pay for what others have done. Their actions are not my responsibility. The son does not bear the inequity of the father, neither does the father bear the inequity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

As far as inheriting a house from my parents, while it is theirs, is it not their right to pass it on to whomever they wish? I can refuse to accept the inheritance if I so choose, but that is my choice, not yours.

"But, I'm not going to lose any sleep over their falsely preceived "victimhood."

"And so your victimization continues. Thanks for proving my point."

I am not victimizing you or anyone else. If you believe that I am anyway, that's your problem.

I am doing what I know to be the right thing to do. I treat others how I want to be treated. I help those in need whom I am able to help, but I refuse to assist people in feeling sorry for themselves. No one ever accomplished anything sitting around sulking and wishing things had been different than they were. You are spiteful over things that happened 150 years ago, wanting me to compensate you for things that I personally had no control over regarding things that never personally happened to you. Again, that's your problem, I don't feel sorry for you. If someone is intent upon feeling sorry for themselves, they are going to have to feel that way alone, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

You have a tendancy to rationalize alot of things because it better suits your wishes. Here's a news flash; we're not here to accomodate your desires.

If you don't like it, tough.

What exactly is your handle implying? It's seems to say that as white people left the inner city to move to the suburbs, that they took with them the livelihood of those left behind, in effect stealing from them. How exactly is it that the independent choice of individuals to live where they desire could impose hardships upon others? If that is the case, then the only way to prevent people from moving where they wish and prevent such theft is to force it upon them against their desires. Even artifically altering circumstances to cause them to change their desires is an affront to the freedom of the individual. Shouldn't we all be allowed the right of flight to those places which best suits the needs of those to whom our primary responsibility lies as the individual sees fit without having others impose upon them the guilt of having made the decision to do so, a decision which the individual made based upon the best information avaliable to him/her at the time?

Who cares if Michael King's real name wasn''t "Martin Luther" or that he cheated his way through college while lilly-livered white professors looked the other way? Sure, he was a communist mouthpiece, beat women, hired prostitutes, lied most of the time and stole monies intended for other purposes, but hey....isn't that what really constitutes the image of a negro icon? Look around, what types do they look up to? It doesn' take a brain surgeon to figure this one out, folks. Michael King a.k.a. "Martin Luther" fits the image of a true black hero. Plus...he hated White people. What more could one ask for when searching for the true King Kong of Black History???

"...the fortunance of people in other countries acquiring new jobs..."

What are you talking about? India did not aquire "new" tech jobs. They were old jobs that thousands of Americans had been layed off from. And it's fascinating how you ignored the other part of the argument, specifically about more costly prisons being built at the expense of colleges or universities that would benefit whites as well as non-whites, that these diminshing jobs (effectively 3.2 million since Bush took office) and diminshing educational opportunites are brushed aside as "the way it is" by complancent whites who swear that Affirmative Action is their real threat, is both racist as well as self-defeating.

>>And so your victimization continues. Thanks for proving my point.

"I am not victimizing you or anyone else. If you believe that I am anyway, that's your problem."

You are so blind by racism and ignorance that you completely misread what I wrote. As it says, "And so Y-O-U-R victimization continues..."

"... You have a tendancy to rationalize alot of things because it better suits your wishes...If you don't like it, tough."

Way to go! When your argument is nothing but emotional bigotry and void of things like facts, statistics, history or logic accuse the other of being too rational.

"What exactly is your handle implying?"

If you read the very first post I made, it explains the handle. In response to this question,

"Shouldn't we all be allowed the right of flight to those places which best suits the needs of those to whom our primary responsibility lies as the individual sees fit without having others impose upon them the guilt of having made the decision to do so, a decision which the individual made based upon the best information avaliable to him/her at the time?"

First I have to say that you have really simplified the issue, ignoring such things as the monetary and environmental costs of sprawling cities, not to mention the personal time lost for commuting. And second, I must ask this: Why is it that when the black population reaches 7% in any neighborhood, whites make a mad dash out of there, plummeting the property value?

If your answer does not include a word that begins with "R" and ends with "m" or "t" than your probably trying to evade the real issue.

That is if you are going to argue that whites effectively have two choices, freedom or racism than you really don't understand what either is. Bienas Noches

"And it's fascinating how you ignored the other part of the argument,"

I ignored it because it was too stupid to comment on. I do that alot with leftist/anarchist at this site. And you people print a lot of material that's not worth consideration.

"You are so blind by racism and ignorance..."

I can, and will, say the same of you.

"As it says, "And so Y-O-U-R victimization continues..."

As long as you understand I am billions of other white people are not victimizing you, ................ Now, get on with your life and stop claiming victimhood. It's getting you nowhere, unless of course, that's what you want.

"Way to go! When your argument is nothing but emotional bigotry and void of things like facts, statistics, history or logic accuse the other of being too rational."

You name calling means nothing to me. Your are obviously ill-informed and your writings illustrate such. And for that reason, me and millions upon millions of others like me will ignore you. When you have something to say you believe is worth while, come back and we'll judge whether or not it is so. Until then, if you wish to contine to feels sorry for yourself, you either do it alone or with your little support group of like-minded fools. The rest of the general population has more important things to do.

"Why is it that when the black population reaches 7% in any neighborhood, whites make a mad dash out of there, plummeting the property value?"

I think that's a good question for you to answer.

If your answer includes a word that begins with "R" and ends with "m" or "t" than your probably trying to evade the real issue.

Seeing that you've already decided that it's either "racism" or "racist", then without discussion or futher consideration you've already decided what you believe to be the reason. I know why it's happening, but since it disagrees with your reason, and you'll never be convinced otherwise, there's no point to continue.

May you and people like you die soon and be forever removed from earth being the scrouge you are upon mankind, always seeing things in view of race, gender, etc... You are very racist.

...I'll play your silly little game.

My take on AA: It's wrong, and if I were a minority, I would be offended. It's telling minorities, "You're not good enough to get a job on your own, so we'll help you." I would refuse the help. So would you, if you had any dignity.

MLK was not a liar or fraud; he was a man of vision who has done more for this country than your brand of ant-white racism ever will. He envisioned a world where a person's race is immaterial, but instead judgement is rendered solely on the content of his character. You, however, insist on seeing only race, and are not living up to the ideal of MLK's dream

Now you can answer my question: How do you know that I'm comforted by knowing that the playing field is not level and that blacks still have it worse than me?

>>And it's fascinating how you ignored the other part of the argument,

"I ignored it because it was too stupid to comment on...."

You're not fooling anyone with that. You ignored it because you couldn't argue against it. If it were really just stupid to you, you could have easily refuted it.

>>You are so blind by racism and ignorance...As it says, "And so Y-O-U-R victimization continues...

"As long as you understand I am billions of other white people are not victimizing you, ................"

For the 3rd time, I'm calling YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU a victim. If you can't read and comprehend, then there is no use in continuing with you.

"...Your are obviously ill-informed and your writings illustrate such..."

Ha! And your inability to refute my argument proves this?

"...And for that reason, me and millions upon millions of others..."

Would that millions be the majority non-whites who live California or the 95+ percent of the world population that is not white?

"...like me will ignore you...."

Do you know the best way to ignore information you don't want to hear? Stop coming to these sites and asking us "lefties" questions. How 'bout we argree that you go away and never come back. Deal? I didn't think so.

>>Why is it that when the black population reaches 7% in any neighborhood, whites make a mad dash out of there, plummeting the property value?

"...I know why it's happening..."

Then say so.

"...but since it disagrees with your reason...there's no point to continue."

If you have no confidence in yourself or the veracity of your arguments, I cannot be held responsible.

"May you and people like you die soon and be forever removed from earth being the scrouge you are upon mankind..."

Wow! That sounds like a call for mass genocide. Do tell the other nazis "Hi!" for me at the next meeting.

"[AA] It's wrong..."

Wonderful! So when are you and the rest of AA's real beneficiaries going back to Europe?

"...and if I were a minority, I would be offended."

What an arrogantly racist thing to say. I spend time with white folks all the time, but never would presume to know what I'd feel if I were one because I have never been white and don't know their reality more than they do. But you have the audacity to say that you know what you would feel and think if you were a "minority". Congratulations. Your racist ignorance reaches new heights.

"...So would you, if you had any dignity."

Is it really my dignity in question or yours? These are Indegenous lands you live on, slave labor that paid for your home, and Iraqi dead baby oil that fills your cars. Not to mention all of the white privilege you receive, not based on anything the likes of merit or charcater. Frankly, I don't know how you hold your head up.

"...MLK was not a liar or fraud..."

I'm glad you think so. Now go and read his entire "I Have a Dream speech" and learn what he felt about AA, some of which is included on this thread. If you are having trouble agreeing with MLK's thoughts on AA, than that would make you a hypocite.

"Now you can answer my question: How do you know that I'm comforted by knowing that the playing field is not level and that blacks still have it worse than me?"

I will repeat:

1. If you are not one of the people posting here opposing Affirmative Action and calling MLK a liar or fraud than I'm not talking to you.

Bienas Tardes

"But you have the audacity to say that you know what you would feel and think if you were a "minority". Congratulations. Your racist ignorance reaches new heights."

If the echoes of the cry of "Racism!" would stop rattling around your head for just a moment, perhaps you could try to understand what other people are saying.

Yes, I can say what I would feel, if I were a minority. I would have the same pride and dignity I do now, and any handout would offend that dignity.

"Is it really my dignity in question or yours? These are Indegenous lands you live on, slave labor that paid for your home, and Iraqi dead baby oil that fills your cars. Not to mention all of the white privilege you receive, not based on anything the likes of merit or charcater. Frankly, I don't know how you hold your head up."

Well, as long as you insist on treating whites like they were forced to give up their slaves last week, there's just going to be no reasoning with you. I'll tell you again: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE'S SLAVERY. Do you understand that? Or are you going to continue to hold me responsible for situations that preceded my birth by 4 generations? As for "white privelige", I wish you'd tell everyone else what I'm supposed to be getting...I seem to have been getting the short end of the stick. I've had to WORK for everything, dang it! I didn't know I was supposed to be handed everything! AS for your dignity, how can you hold your head up, insisting you can't succeed without a handout?

"If you are having trouble agreeing with MLK's thoughts on AA, than that would make you a hypocite."

Uh, no, it wouldn't. Do you agree with 100% of everything everyone says? Didn't think so. Why are you holding me to that standard? Besides, it seems to me like YOU don't agree with MLK's dream of people being judged "by the content of their character". You want to judge people by the color of their skin, something which Dr. King decried.

"If you are not one of the people posting here opposing Affirmative Action and calling MLK a liar or fraud than I'm not talking to you."

Ahhh. Does that mean I can make sweeping generalizations and not defend them? Cool! Just hypothetically, how about if I said, "All blacks are lazy, and I don't have to explain it to YOU."

How would you feel about that, white flight?

Nachos Del Grande

"And it's fascinating how you ignored the other part of the argument, specifically about more costly prisons being built at the expense of colleges or universities that would benefit whites as well as non-whites..."

I am not aware of anyone who wants to go to college who isn't able to go. That doesn't mean there aren't some, but with 300 million people, nothing is perfect. There's so much scholarship money and grants and the like out there that those who want to go will go. I've lived long enough to know that if someone really wants to do something, they'll find a way to do it.

BTW, there are plenty of openings for students at USC, UCLA, Cal St - Long Beach, UC-Irvine, Cal Tech (if you got the grades), Cal State - Dominguez Hills, Biola, Cal St - LA, Pepperdine, Cal State- Northridge, Northup, WLA Univ., Loyola Marymount, Cal State- San Bernardino, Azusa Pacific, etc etc etc ....... None of these colleges are at full capacity, and every one of them has scholarship and grant money avaliable for those who want to attend. So don't hand me this "diminishing educational opportunities" bullshit!! Opportunity is what you make of it.

If you are trying to draw a coorelation between education and crime, obviously education is beneficial. But just because you don't have a sheep-skin doesn't give you the right to commit crime, I don't care how bad off you are. If you are hungry and need a place to stay until you can get back on your feet, there are an abundance of charities and church organizations who volunteer their time and resources to helping those in need. There is no excuse for committing crimes against your fellowman. But we are building more prisons because the population is increasing, thus more criminals. Good! I want criminals behind bars.

You need to sell your crap to your own little support group, because the rest of us aren't buying your "feel sorry for me" snake oil.

"For the 3rd time, I'm calling YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU a victim."

I realize THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT. I'm not a victim, so I'm not acknowledging such. Aren't you able to read between the lines? If you could comprehend beyond the surface of what I'm saying you would have realized that by now. I took what you said and carried it BEYOND your implication. Com'n!! If you continue to demonstrate that you can't keep up, ............. Start thinking BEYOND what the person is saying.

You have got to wake up. You are in dream-land. You wanna make something outta yourself one day? Here's a few words of advice.

You've got to be willing to take a risk. You got to have a real need burning inside you. You got to sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street you've got to be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed. Then moving in, silently, down-wind, and out of sight, you've got to strike when the moment is right without even having to think about it. That's how well you have to know your surroundings.

Then after a while you can work on points for style, like the club tie, and the firm handshake, a certain look in the eye, and an easy smile.

You get that far, you might be able to figure out the rest.

"Would that millions be the majority non-whites who live California or the 95+ percent of the world population that is not white?"

I don't see the world as white and non-white. That's your hang-up, not mine. The people I'm around don't care what color people are. If you see a man as a "white man" or a "black man" or a "yellow man" or a "red man", instead of "just a man", then that's your problem.

"Then say so."

I can tell you why I moved out of the city. It's the same reason a lot of people moved out of the city. Taxes. Taxes in the city were too high for the services they provided. I moved out of the city into the county. In fact, I moved to an adjoining county whose taxes were ever lower. Now, I can enjoy the benefits of being near the city without having to pay exhorbinatly high taxes. So the reason a lot of families (of all races I might add) move out? Lower living expenses. You wanna know why people do what they do? Follow the money.

"Wow! That sounds like a call...."

People should view man in view of his character. But YOU don't. YOU see a man in view of his race. People like you who constantly harp on a persons race need to die. Do us all a favor. Kill yourself. Mass genocide of you and your type would be welcome. The world would be a better place without racist like you.

Let me make this very clear. If someone looks at a man, and considers him in any fashion as a man of a particular race, that person is a racist. There is no difference between a white man, a black man, a yellow man, and a red man, except for the color of his skin. If you believe any man deserves preferential treatment because of the color of his skin, you are a racist. If you want the descendants of those who owned slaves to pay the price for things they had no control over, you are a racist.

white=, here's some questions for you:

Based upon this statement:

"Why is it that when the black population reaches 7% in any neighborhood, whites make a mad dash out of there, plummeting the property value?"

Just for fun let's see how you do. This is all hypothetical, because like I said, I moved out because of excessive taxes. But since you claim it's based on racism, let's talk about that. I don't view people in terms of their race, but since you do, I'll bend my own rules a little for the sake of these questions.

Here they are.

If the Allen's, a black family, move in next door to Mr. Smith, and Mr. Smith doesn't like blacks and decides to move, shouldn't the Allen's be glad that he moved?

If a group of black families start moving into the neighborhood, and the white families start moving out because they don't want to live next to black families, shouldn't those black families be glad that a bunch of racists are not going to continue to live in their neighborhood?

Now, exactly what part of this scenario would cause the property values to decline?

Are you claiming that only white people living in a neighborhood can keep the value of the property increasing? Why can't an all black neighborhood retain the property value?

Wouldn't a black family wanting to live in that neighborhood be willing to pay fair market value based upon the increased value the home has realized since the last owner purchased it?

I'll be waiting for your answers.

Used to when I'd be around a bunch of niggers and I wanted to make reference to them I'd call em "boofers" cause they dont know what that means. Now when I see a bunch of niggers I got a new name for them: Democrats. I'll be in an airport or something and there will be a bunch of niggers and I'll be on the phone telling someone, Dang there's a shit load of Democrats here!

You again? I thought we made a deal that you would ignore me and go away. Alright, fine. I'll play with you this time...

[...][More racist arrogance and denial][...]

"As for "white privelige", I wish you'd tell everyone else what I'm supposed to be getting..."

In a nutshell, white privilege is never having to think about it. Judging from this exchange, not thinking, you do quite well. But if you really want to know, I suggest that you do a Google search and type in "white privilege". I believe many sites are authored by white males. So maybe you'll be less biased and defensive.

"Do you agree with 100% of everything everyone says?"

Why that's a silly a question. Why would you ask that? I don't agree with you.

"You want to judge people by the color of their skin, something which Dr. King decried."

Where are you getting this "judging"? MLK did not believe in refusing to "acknowledge" a person's color (race, religion or ethnicity). "Judging" and "acknowledging" are not synonomous. As for The Dream, I believe in the whole thing, not just the 3 or 4 lines taken out of context that you are exploiting.

"I am not aware of anyone who wants to go to college who isn't able to go..."

Well, you don't know a lot of people. But given your isolation induced ignorance and racist arrogance, that's not surprising.

[...][More ill informed proselytizing about education][...]

"If you are trying to draw a coorelation between education and crime..."

I'm not making that correlation. The correlation is between the number of colleges (1) versus the number of prisons (24) built in California since 1980. (California ranks No. 1 in the nation in prison spending but 41st in education spending.) However, the rise in the number incarcerated is not comensurate with crime. Crime has been on the decline since the 1970s. And prisons are many more times expensive to build than colleges or the k-12 public schools that have seen their spending cut.

Here you are complaining about high taxes and no decent services, but take no issue with where all that money has been going. Spending on "corrections" has exploded by 521% in Cali since 1980. You don't see anything counter productive with spending $35,000 per prison inmate, but only $7,000 per student? What kind of dream for the future is that?

Moreover, it's racist. Racism drives that funding of prisons at the expense of urban schools. The majority of prisons are filled with black and brown people, not whites who logically commit the majority of crimes. Yet, despite all that hype about being "tough on crime", if you were to be honest, you'd admit, you still don't feel any safer.

"Building more prisons to fight crime is like building more graveyards to fight a fatal disease."

I know you probably didn't understand or even bother with any of that. It's filled with facts, statistics, logic, you know, all that rational stuff that confuses and annoys you. But perhaps someone else will find it informative.

"There is no difference between a white man, a black man, a yellow man, and a red man, except for the color of his skin."

Physiologically, yes. Intellectually, yes. Spiritually, yes.
Socio-economically, NO!

"Let me make this very clear. If someone looks at a man, and considers him in any fashion as a man of a particular race, that person is a racist."

Wow, really? Then I guess Ghandhi, King, John and Bobby Kennedy, Civil Rights Activists and the Abolishionists were the most racist people to ever live.

"Just hypothetically, how about if I said..."

"Just for fun let's see how you do. This is all hypothetical..."

There you go with the hypos. You sure do despise dealing with reality, huh?

"...I'll be waiting for your answers."

Oh, get a life. Go find another black person to fall in love with. This one doesn't want to play with you anymore. Later.

Bend over, assclown.

...obvious prejudice and racism too, white flight.

That's okay; you do what you have to do.

You just go around calling everyone a racist who doesn't rush over and kiss your ass and give you money and jobs for no reason.

You think that the color of your skin entitles you to something.

What's the difference, then, between you and white supremecists?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You both hate everything you are not. You both blame all your problems on someone else. You both claim special treatment because of your race.

You are a bigot. Don't bother denying it; it'd be a waste of typing, and would insult the intelligence of everyone who's ever read your hate-filled tripe.

Fido, you lying shit. Where did he say that? Just 'cause your a racist fuck and have been exposed as such...well...you chose your path..live with it, asshole.

Methinks Chicken Boy doth protest too much.

You'll have to refressh my memory. Exactly what of my post do you think is a lie?

This should be interesting.

...the part between the beginning and the end...

...you shouldn't have any trouble refuting it all, then.

But "it's all a lie!" isn't good enough.

"Well, you don't know a lot of people. But given your isolation induced ignorance and racist arrogance, that's not surprising."

A foolish statemnt from the mind of a child. For you to continue to address me, you must mature, and quickly.

"[...][More ill informed proselytizing about education][...]"

More blind stupidity from white =, conviently ignoring that there are many colleges in the LA area without full enrollment and scholarship/grant money for assistance. The colleges bend over backwards to assist minorities apply and obtain scholarships/grants. All ignored by white =, because it doesn't fit his predetermined agenda. white=, racism in action.

"John and Bobby Kennedy"

Oh, you mean the same John Kennedy who tried to stop the March on Washington? You mean the same Bobby Kennedy who ordered Hoover to spy on King? Yeah, them. You racist shit!!

"There you go with the hypos. You sure do despise dealing with reality, huh?"

It's hypothetical because you believe it and I don't. Do I have to draw a you picture for everything?

"Oh, get a life. Go find another black person to fall in love with. This one doesn't want to play with you anymore. Later."

Of course you don't, you angry little racist maggot!! To answer those questions is to expose yourself.

You need to do us all a favor and kill yourself. All racist like you should die. You need to be followed back to your lairs and summarily executed for being the racist you are. You're no better than those race baiters Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, using race to help divide the working people. A pox on you and all your house.

[oijfoaksdjl;ks: "Bobby Kennedy who ordered Hoover to spy on King "

Yeah, like anyone could order Hoover...

...I bet Hoover looked smashing in an evening gown, though....

yeah yeah yeah...I know.. "a pox"....whatever....

...fuckin' eunuch....

It happened.
Learn your history, son.

these are rulering class families, with blood up to their elbows.
The hits performed on the Kennedy brothers was just another example of eastern banking capital concerned with inflation vs. southern rim munition and oil interests disputes. A view on real government, not the side show of electoral process.
This is the way things are and why they must change.

White flight has provided extensive evidence to support his claims.

Where is your evidence to support the claims and assumptions that:

1. California public Universities are not at full capacity.

2. Those with the grades are gauranteed admission into UCLA, UC Berkeley, UC Santa Barbara, UC Davis, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, SDSU, and other high quality public universities.

2. Grants and Scholarships are plentiful enough to meet the number of students applying for aid and with substantial enough rewards to meet the costs of education.

3. Private colleges and universities (that cost $20-40,000 a year) are a viable alternative for the average American.

4. The kindergaten-graduate school educational opportunities for minorities are superior to that of whites.

Sorry, but I don't believe in substantiating my allegations. I'm a conservative.