Sherman Austin's Legal Case in his own words:
1. My name is Sherman Austin. On Jan 24, 2002, I was
awaken by my sister while taking a nap. She told me a
bunch of "FBI looking people", cop cars, and other
individuals standing around, were parked all up and
down the street and they were all focusing in on the
house.
It was 4PM and I was taking a nap. I got up went to
the living room to look out the window. At this time
our house was already surrounded by some 20-25 FBI
agents and secret service armed with sub-machine guns,
shot guns, hand guns, bullet proof vests, and what
not. I then saw two men in suits approach the door. So
I went to the door to see what was up and they asked
me if my name was Sherman Austin. I said yes, and they
told me to step out side. I asked why, and they
grabbed me by my shoulder and pulled me out side.
I then saw about a dozen FBI agents in blue
windbreakers standing on the front-lawn. More began to
appear as they emerged from the sides of the house.
Every single one of them had their guns drawn and was
wearing bullet-proof vests. One of the special agents
then handed me a 25 page federal warrant for search
and seizure.
The rest of the agents came into the house with their
guns drawn and searched the entire premises. The two
special agents in suits sat me down and began
questioning me about my web site, raisethefist.com.
They advised me that they were performing a search of
the entire house, and were going to seize all of my
computer equipment which was being used to run my
site.
During this process several FBI agents occupied my
room as they dismantled my computer network and loaded
everything into a big white truck parked out side.
They even took my political literature, and protest
signs. During this time I was being interrogated by
the two special agents and a secret service agent.
The Secret Service asked me a number of questions,
such as if I'd like to see the president killed. The
FBI asked me questions relating back to when I was 14.
(I was 18 at the time of the raid). They also asked me
a bunch of questions about my site, such as where the
log files were stored, if I was the only one who
worked on it, if I knew other people who visited it
frequently..etc. They advised me that I was not
arrested, but was in serious trouble. They also asked
if I was planning to go to the World Economic Forum
protest in New York on Feb 2nd (which was posted on my
site)
Finally after approximately 7 hours, the agents left,
with my room completely ransacked, and all my
equipment loaded into their big white truck. Despite
what had happened, I went to the World Economic Forum
protest in NY. When I arrived I was standing in
Columbus circle waiting for the march to begin. Then
all of the sudden I saw a hand of a police officer
reach out to grab me as some 20 police charged at us
out of nowhere.
I was tackled to the ground by 3 officers, and
arrested with 26 other people. I sat on a bus for
about 7 hours before being taken to Brooklyn Navy Yard
Jail, where I was held for about 30 hours before being
taken into a back room in hand cuffs and interrogated
by an FBI Detective and a Secret Service agent for
several hours. They asked me questions such as if I
was a terrorist or involved in any terrorist
organizations. They also kept asking me questions
about the FBI raid at my house in California but I
declined to comment.
During the whole interrogation process I noticed more
and more FBI agents walking in and out of the room.
The detective then told me I wasn't going to leave
jail until they searched my car. I argued and said
they couldn't keep me much longer without charging me.
The detective said he didn't care and wanted to search
my car. Apparently they thought there were bombs and
other weapons in my car. I just wanted to get out of
jail and go home so I described him the area of where
my car was located and signed over the keys.
I was taken back to my cell and 5 minutes later I was
taken out again and driven to the court to be
released. As the jail guard was escorting me out of
the jail facility and into the court hall, 3 FBI
agents stopped us and were holding up a photo of me.
They asked me if I knew who the person in the photo
was, and I said it was me. They then smiled and said ,
"ok". So I walked on, and was released in the court.
I made a phone call for someone to pick me up and
waited around for about 30 minutes until about 5 FBI
agents came into the building and said I was under
arrest for distributing information related to
explosives on the internet. They hurried me out of the
court into a black SUV as one detective grabbed my
neck and told me to "shut the fuck up" as I tried to
tell people I was being arrested again.
They then drove me to a federal building down the
street and attempted to question me. I declined to
answer any of their questions. I was then taken to a
Federal Jail facility in lower Manhattan and put into
a maximum security 24 hour lockdown cell.
The next morning I had my arraignment, which was
postponed a few days so my lawyer could look through
the arrest warrant with me. A few days later I had a
bail hearing and my bail was denied as the FBI claimed
I was a "man on a mission", and I drove 3,000 miles to
carry out my "plot", and on the way back home I was
going to "blow up the Olympics". I was rendered a
"threat to the community" and was to be transported
back to California in custody of the U.S marshals to
face my charges.
A few days later I was driven to an air-force base in
upstate New York to be flown to a federal prison hub
in Oklahoma. My ankles were shackled together and my
wrists shackled to my waste as I was put onto a plane
with other federal inmates while guards stood
surrounding us with shot guns and M16's. I felt like a
prisoner of war.
When I arrived in Oklahoma, I was put in general
population, which confused me since the whole time I
had been in custody I was kept in 24 hour lockdown.
However I didn't care since it was better than
spending 24 hours in a small, cold, cockroach-infested
cell the size of a bathroom. I then called my mom and
she said that the prosecutors decided not to file an
indictment and therefore my charges would be dropped.
I was relieved knowing I was soon going to be
released.
The next day two guards called my named and handcuffed
me and put me back to the hole (maximum security 24
hour lockdown). I was confused since I was supposed to
have been released any minute. 2 hours later they came
back to my cell and said I was going to be released.
My lawyer had a court order put in to have me
immediately released and put on a plane by myself to
be flown back to Los Angeles. After spending 13 days
in custody I arrived back home. All of my stuff,
clothes, wallet, car, etc. Was still in New York. All
I got back was my wallet. Everything else was lost.
A month after being arrested I got my site back online
and continued to do organizing work within the
community. 6 months later federal prosecutors called
my lawyer and said they didn't find anything on my
computers but didn't want to let me off the hook. So
they offered me a pre-indictment binding plea which I
initially rejected, but then decided to take. The plea
was a felony conviction for distributing information
related to explosives with intent, 1 month in jail, 5
months community confinement (in a half-way house),
and 3 years supervised release.
I went to court to enter the plea and the judge
immediately rejected it saying I should be serving at
least 12 months for such a charge. A trial date was
set for March 15th, 2003. I figured what the hell,
I'll go to trial. If convicted I thought I would be
looking at a maximum of 3-4 years. However after my
lawyer consulted the USPO working on the case, she
found out that a "terrorism enhancement" is applicable
to my charge, which could get me an additional 20
years.
I wasn't in the mood to Martyr myself. I decided to
try and take any plea possible. My lawyer went back to
the drawing board and we worked up a plea with a
sentencing range between 6 and 12 months. (note: this
range is now 8-14 months due to a recent conviction
which brought my criminal history category up another
point)
We went back to court and the judge accepted it, and
my sentencing date was set for June 30th.
That is pretty much where my case stands now. I do not
know how much time to expect, except a minimum of 4
months in jail, and 4 months community confinement,
and 3 years of very intense "supervised release"
(probation) according to the USPO's pre-sentencing
report which me and my lawyer just received and
reviewed.
It would be relief to think that a year after the
raid, constantly being followed, monitored, harassed,
having the nightmares, that all of this will finally
be "over" after June 30th, but everything tells me it
won't, becoming a young black felon in america only
tells me it's just the beginning.

i guess we can count on cowardly 'Bubba from cell-block 6' to avoid upsetting the authorities at all times....
women all around the world have infinitely more courage every single day.

standing up to oppression takes courage. Austin's enemies have yet to show any understanding of this elementary moral concept.

will someone step up and engage in the discussion that 'black-block-head' avoided?

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lynx

latest comments

Laws are not in place to protect the government. They are there to protect the citizenry. The only thing tragic about Sherman Austin going to the joint is that he chose the path that he did.

There's no disputing that we live in the greatest country on the face of this planet. Austin could have chosen to pursue an education, a rewarding career, or even a political career in an effort to effect change in the system from within.

Instead he chose to devote his time to "anarchism" and causing trouble.

It seems to me, you so called "activists" are your own worst enemies.

Cases in point include Rachel Corrie (run down by a bulldozer in Gaza while protesting Zionist policy against Arab terrorism), Andrew McCrae (in California prison awaiting trial for murdering a police officer in cold blood to protest anti-globalism), David ``Gypsy'' Chain (was killed by a tree felled by a logger), Beth O'Brien (fell to her death from 150 feet up a tree to protest a timber sale), and most recently we have Sherman Austin (for distributing bomb making materials in this time of a terrorism-phobic society).

Do we see a pattern here or what??

The stupid will be punished.

Let's all pray that Sherman Austin uses his year wisely and learns his lesson. Maybe the rest of you bozos can learn from his mistakes as well and get your lives on track.

C'mon people, America affords you tremendous opportunities. If you're preaching your anti-Americanism and your getting a lot of foul scowls and grimaces, don't assume that you're just misunderstood, or that we're all just idiots. You'd better take a second look at your own ideologies.

Perhaps it is YOU that is the idiot.

But like the Chinese say, "The eye can not see itself."

Rich sounds like another deluded American living in his little Whitebread world. America--the land of opportunitiy. No, America is more like the Land of Lies where 2 million citizens (mostly black and brown) are imprisoned in your Gulags--the most in the world by far.

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"Anti-Americanism is the Anti-Nazism of Our Times."

That's it in a nutshell. The stupid are inherent victims of the intelligent. Even the unwitting participant in the great experiment known as democracy is far more intelligent than the willing antagonist. The only supporters of a failed experiment are those too stupid to learn from the experiment. It failed, move on to a more workable set of variables.

"No, America is more like the Land of Lies where 2 million citizens (mostly black and brown)"


Uhuh, that's whay brown, black, and yellow people from all of the world are trying to come here byt the truck, boat, and plane load.

Why do people still go through enormous hardship to come to America, Akbar?

Answer that.

bomb making fliers arn't cool.
but speeking for yourself
doing for yourself
cooking for yourself
working for yourself
organizing for your comunity
not shopping
not dividing the ranks of activist and working togather is
fucking cool and feels good
fuck voting
fuck work
FUCK CAPITALIST
fuck partys (political and beer related)
do it yourselfanarchy
solidarity
if not for love then why

I bet if you even took the time to talk to an "anarchist", you would be the stupid one.
They would school your ass on the aspects of the IMF, the World Bank,the G-8 and the aspects of different political forms of government.
They would school your stupid ass on the Bill of Rights, the Constitution , the Federalist Papers.
Things you know NOTHING about.
Now sit there and scratch your head and run to the search engines to find out these things for yourself...
Brainwashed traitor.
Its so funny that these people profess the being "real americans", yet know nothing about American History, politics, the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
Those are the only things that make a person an "American".

"Uhuh, that's whay brown, black, and yellow people from all of the world are trying to come here byt the truck, boat, and plane load.
Why do people still go through enormous hardship to come to America, Akbar?
Answer that. "

Its called Money, jackass. America has it. And the Third World doesn't. That why they come here--believing that they get a piece of that American jack. .

What happens when they arrive here however is a different story.

Not to mention the fact that American wealth is based upon the theft and exploitation of the Third World to begin with...

i agree with 'Hasan Akbar'

so do other immigrants. Valdas Anelauskas for example, who writes....

"Being in political exile from the former Soviet Union, I was duped by the U.S. Government and lured into this country. Now, as I understand how it happened, I am embarrassed that I allowed myself to be fooled. Today I blame myself for some of the direct consequences that have followed. Since my wife was pregnant at the time we came here, our daughter was doomed to be born and suffer in this extremely unpleasant social environment. Now, she can’t even attend school here, because of the constant danger of being infested with head lice from her American classmates..."

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lynx

latest comments

“America is more like the Land of Lies where 2 million citizens (mostly black and brown) are imprisoned in your Gulags”

All of those people had a choice to make. They chose poorly. The great thing about America is the ultimate freedom Americans enjoy. We can expatriate ourselves any time we choose.

“The stupid are inherent victims of the intelligent.”

The stupid are victims of themselves. PERIOD.

“The only supporters of a failed experiment are those too stupid to learn from the experiment. It failed, move on to a more workable set of variables.”

Exactly. In other words, if you don’t like it here in America, then get on the plane and leave. Report to the nearest American Consulate in the country of your choosing and formally renounce your citizenship. It is just that simple.

“Uhuh, that's whay brown, black, and yellow people from all of the world are trying to come here byt the truck, boat, and plane load.”

No truer statement could be made. Visit an American Embassy during VISA day and see how long the line is. Usually, there are prospective immigrants lined up around the block.

“fuck voting, fuck work”

Words of the naïve. The American system is like the lottery. You may have a 120 Million to 1 chance of winning if you buy a ticket, but if you don’t buy a ticket you chances of winning are exactly zero.

“They would school your ass on the aspects of the IMF, the World Bank,the G-8 and the aspects of different political forms of government.”

What could some little high school drop-out possibly know about these things? About the workings of the world? The truest test of the validity of an organization or a system is the good:bad ratio. “Does it do more good than harm?” is the question one must answer.

For instance, anti-globalists are always complaining about McDonalds. The golden arches have become an icon for America itself. When people see those arches they think about America, whether their thoughts be good or bad. Take all your statistics about the health concerns of fast food, and corporate domination of the world, etc. ad nauseam, and weight that against the billions of people fed efficiently and economically, and see where that gets you. McDonalds does more good than harm. No one forces you to sit there shoving burgers in your mouth, getting fat an lazy. But when you’re hungry, 99 cents of fiat currency for a tangible hamburger is not a bad deal.

“They would school your stupid ass on the Bill of Rights, the Constitution , the Federalist Papers.”

Why not school me on the Bible, or the Koran, or the Code of Hammurabi, the Dead Sea Scrolls, or some other cherished dogmatic relic?

What you Constitution thumpers fail to realize is that it is not the words on the paper that make those things precious. Not by far. Anyone with a brain, a reasonable education, and a desire can formulate moving prose, passion and truth being the conduit to words.

It is the spirit behind those words, the very essence of their substance embedded in each of our hearts and minds that make those documents significant. Your emotion betrays you. We don’t all feel the same way about the Constitution. We don’t all interpret its exactitudes in the same dialect. Ask 10 people how to define a word and you will get 10 different definitions.

The point of this thread has nothing to do with the Constitution,or the Bill of Rights, it has to do with Sherman Austin and Anarchism. Why would an Anarchist care about the Bill of Rights? He wouldn’t. A devoted anarchist would desire nothing more than the complete and utter evisceration of pragmatic political documents such as the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Anarchists and Anti-Americanists simply want to have something to uncurl their pointy, tapered little index fingers at and screech in a shill tone “SEE! HYPOCRITS!!” as if American ideology is akin to being a witch in Salem. Not a very productive fashion of life. Wisdom brings this knowledge, and age brings wisdom. In short, grow up.

“Its so funny that these people profess the being "real americans", yet know nothing about American History, politics, the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Those are the only things that make a person an "American".

Bullshit. Being American means way more than knowing American history, or EVER having read the Constitution. Just because you may have done so doesn’t make you any more of an American than anyone else. There are many immigrants where I live, and many people that grew up with little or no education, that I consider far more American than many of those Historians, College Social Science Professors, or educated intellectuals that think they’re so smart.

Being American is about one concept. Only one. It all boils down to, and orbits an amazing and inspirational revelation that ever human brain cogitates at some point during its short lifespan.

That concept is FREEDOM.

Love it. Cherish it. Respect it. Give it. Fight for it. Kill for it. Die for it.

Thank your lucky stars when by some enchantment you possess it.

And if you are Chinese, African European, Antartican, or whatever … and you love freedom, congratulations. You are American.

Those who choose to use others thereby make the choice to Devolve, to kill what is human in themselves and live like animals.

Your sky may be fluorescent orange, but if you choose to take a good look around you, I think you will find a system of relations within which you occupy the position of "worker", just like most of the people do in the world I live in, and if you choose to look at the money you use, I think you will find currency stamped with a unit amount, the name of a nation, and a picture of a political landmark or figure--again, just like in the world I live in, where the sky, by the way, is blue.

You may choose to remain unconscious of the rules of the system that you live in and consider them just "natural", or you may choose to take responsibility for the system.

To say that it is natural to use others to evolve is to forget that the rules that obtain in the system that you live in--the rules that necessitate using your neighbor for profit--are rules that are established merely by social convention, rules that can be changed by mutual agreement.

Therefore, to say that we all depend on one another to live, to say that evolution does not necessitate using people is not to be naive; on the contrary, it is to state a very simple and very important fact.

Rich has such hilarious gaffes. He says stuff like:

"We can expatriate ourselves any time we choose."

Ever tried it, Rich? Would Canada, or Sweden, accept you?

Rich says: "The stupid are victims of themselves. PERIOD."

Reconcile this with Rich's later statement:

"Being American means way more than knowing American history, or EVER having read the Constitution. Just because you may have done so doesn’t make you any more of an American than anyone else. There are many immigrants where I live, and many people that grew up with little or no education, that I consider far more American than many of those Historians, College Social Science Professors, or educated intellectuals that think they’re so smart."

So on the one hand Rich would like to declaim the stupid, on the other hand he would defend "them."

Maybe Rich is defending _himself_ here?

Then Rich says:

"The American system is like the lottery. You may have a 120 Million to 1 chance of winning if you buy a ticket, but if you don’t buy a ticket you chances of winning are exactly zero."

And, like the lottery, the odds are stacked quite firmly in favor of the house.

But Rich has foot-in-mouth disease:

"Take all your statistics about the health concerns of fast food, and corporate domination of the world, etc. ad nauseam, and weight that against the billions of people fed efficiently and economically, and see where that gets you. McDonalds does more good than harm. No one forces you to sit there shoving burgers in your mouth, getting fat an lazy. But when you’re hungry, 99 cents of fiat currency for a tangible hamburger is not a bad deal."

How about if we balance out the "good" done in marketing shoddy warmed-over food to those who have neither cooking facilities nor time to do any better, with the immense harm done to the environment in raising cattle, the unsanitary conditions in which cattle are raised, slaughtered, and ground up for ground beef (and here you might check out the amazon.com page for Eric Schlosser's "Fast Food Nation"), the immense amount of grain wasted on beef production (it takes sixteen pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef), and the epidemic of obesity currently sweeping America today, which McDs plays its part in creating?

Finally, Rich asks: "Why would an Anarchist care about the Bill of Rights?"

And I'm thinking: Because anarchists have rights too?

It's hardly sporting to claim to "cherish freedom" while refusing to defend the rights of others...

sounds like socialism
not interested
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sounds like socialism
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The National Socialist Party lost WW2.

Where's the beef, Sam?

This thread is about Sherman Austin and his poor life choices. Why are you attacking me? All you want to discuss is why you're such a fat, lazy sloth from eating Big Macs all day.

"How about if we balance out the "good" done in marketing shoddy warmed-over food to those who have neither cooking facilities nor time to do any better,"
Who are these people? We've all got the same number of hours in our wallets. It's not like I magically have the ability to create time so my day is somehow longer than yours. And a hot-plate costs $12 at Wal-mart. Don't preach about how you're starving and you don't have money for food. You live in the wealthiest country in the world. Land of opportunity. If you can't afford to eat here, you'd be hurtin' for certain if you lived in the third world.
"with the immense harm done to the environment in raising cattle, the unsanitary conditions in which cattle are raised, slaughtered, and ground up for ground beef (and here you might check out the amazon.com page for Eric Schlosser's "Fast Food Nation"),"
Cavemen used to just rip the flesh off the dinosaurs bone and gnash off a a big, bloody chunk with their teeth. You should consider yourself lucky.
"the immense amount of grain wasted on beef production (it takes sixteen pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef),"
Goodness gracious. 16 whole pounds of grain per pound of beef? And in this grain famine we've got going on? The nerve of those cattle farmers!
"and the epidemic of obesity currently sweeping America today, which McDs plays its part in creating?"
Like I said, quit shoveling in the Quarter Pounders and you'll be okay. Don't blame McDonalds for your fat ass. Hamburgerler isn't holding a gun to your head.


Lay off the green eggs and ham and maybe you'll drop a few pounds. And while your on your diet, address the issue of why Sherman Austin should choose to change his evil ways.

Rich says: "Where's the beef, Sam?

This thread is about Sherman Austin and his poor life choices."

And the rest of us are left to ponder: why so whiny? Sherman Austin chose to voice anarchist opinions, opinions legally voiced by others (loompanics.com etc.), and that's why he's going to prison. His "life choice" made him the ideological target of some goon with a robe. The information on his site can be found elsewhere. He did no harm to Rich or me or anyone else, but hey, we'll all still be paying taxes for the next decade or so to keep him locked up.

Rich's image of me is pretty amusing, especially when he says: "Why are you attacking me? All you want to discuss is why you're such a fat, lazy sloth from eating Big Macs all day."

Yep, that's the whole content of my post. But it gets even richer! Later he says:

"Don't preach about how you're starving and you don't have money for food."

Hey Rich, remember? I'm a "fat slob," right?

I really liked this one: "We've all got the same number of hours in our wallets."

Hours in our wallets? What're you on, and what's its market value?

...Caducada cannot tell her right from her left...

"Rich", if you actually had a brain, you'd be dangerous.
Your wordiness and mindless conjecture may impress other conservative dolts, but here your arguments just make you look like a fascist.
"What you Constitution thumpers fail to realize is that it is not the words on the paper that make those things precious."
THis statement make you look foolish indeed.
Did you read the two paragraphs of of slime you wrote?
I believe you are referring to "the spirit of the law".
or maybe you were referring to John Lockes "Natural Rights of Man"?

Then you make such a ignorant claim that the plight of Sherman Austin has NOTHING to do with the Constitution.
Ever hear of the 4th AMendment?
DIDnt think so.
Ever hear of the 1st Amendment?
Didnt think so.
Ever hear of the right to due process?

Of course, these "words" are what makes a person "American", those "words" are things that OUR Forefathers fought and died trying to defend.

Those "words" are the basis of ALL laws in America.

Too bad traitors (like yourself) tell the citizens that seek to uphold these "words" to get on a plane and go live somewhere else.

Let me school your stupid ass from an "old time" document called the _________________.
It described people just like you:

......"and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. "

COme on, smarty pants....
You should recognize this.....righ?

Oh and by the way , you say that being American means "FREEDOM".
How would a citizen be able to know that they are free?
What rights or liberties should citizens posess to know this?
It comes from the "words" of the COnstitution and the Bill of Rights.
This is OUR guarantee of FREEDOM from governmental tyranny.

It's really sad... they need to wake up and recognize the current state of emergency... start to prepare for a different world...

"Austin told the judge Monday he "wasn't really thinking" when he created the Web site. "I'd be devastated if someone used this information to harm others," he said."

He "wasn't really thinking". That pretty much sums up both anarchy and liberalism in a nutshell. "He'd be devistated". Like Hell!! He'd be overjoyed! He's a punk who's getting off easy.


"Austin admitted posting links about bombs to enable people to build and use them during demonstrations against interstate and foreign trade."

But according to the numbskulls here, he didn't do anything wrong. He was a mere uninformed child who didn't understand the consequences of his actions. Baloney!

Shermie knew damn well what he was doing, and he got nailed, and then whined it was youthful indescretion. Boo hoo fucking boo hoo!! Hope he rots!

YEAH..
I ALSO HATED THOSE TRAITORS WHO DESIGNED THAT ACT OF CORPORATE WARFARE KNOWN AS THE "BOSTON TEA PARTY".

I hate the revolutionary patriots who conspired against the corrupt King of England to secure our modern day freedoms.

I HATE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION
I HATE FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
I HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH

I DONT WANT TO CONTROL MY LIFE
I DONT WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN ACTIONS
I WANT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY BIG BROTHER
HE IS OUR FRIEND.

Is how you anarchists are the first ones to scream about your "Constitutional rights". It's bizarre, really. I mean, are you or are you not anarchists? Oh goodness gracious, the little bitty anarchist was depwived his wittle bitty Forwth Ammendment wites.

Get real. Get some sack. Get a clue.

You people are anarchists for Christ's sake. You hate America and you hate the Constitution. Anarchists have no rights. Let me repeat that for those with Attention Deficit Disorder: ANARCHISTS HAVE ZERO RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!

Now if the Anarchist happens to be an American, then he has a choice to make. He must choose whether he prefers to pursue being an anarchist, an endeavor which is in direct conflict with being a responsible, law-abiding American, or would he rather have the protection afforded to him by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I mean, lets assume American was a society of anarchists. Would I, as an anarchist have rights? Absolutely I would. I would have the right to do whatever I damned well wanted, at the time I damn well chose, provided there was not another anarachist, or group of anarchists, that could stop me from doing so through the only means available to them. That means being FORCE.

If I were a smart anarchist, I'd realize this fact. Having realized it, I would begin to affiliate myself with, and recruite other like minded anarchsits that felt the same way as me. Anarchists that wanted to do the same things as me, whatever we chose and when we chose to do it. I'd build an army of anarchists so when the opposing anarchists came to stop us, well guess what? Sounds like the first anarchist war to me.

Anarchism is a joke. PERIOD. Where is the "Anarchist's Constitution"? Where are the enumerated "Anarchist's Bill of Rights"? By definition, anarchists can NOT have these things. Having them would imply that some controlling entity was allowing the anarchists to have their freedom, and that there would actually be limitations upon the freedom of these so called anarchists.

Anarchism is the ulimate demented political paradigm. It makes absolutely no sense to call yourself an anarchist.

Sherman Austin is a self-professed anarchist. He made anti-government statements on his website on numerous occasions, and overtly advocated the forcible overthrow of the American govenment.

As an American citizen, I take those actions as a threat against myself, my family, my neighbors, and the citizens of this great country.

But we can let all of that slide. Freedom of speech is virtuous.

But then, after threatening forcible action against this nation, he began distributing bomb making information on his website. Well that would be like me threatening to put a bullet in your head, then showing up on your front porch with my Glock.

The temper tantrums you little children thow are all to amusing. Getting all pouty about being deprived of your rights and then following suit with an anti-government harangue.

And oh yes, I'm a fascist. Love that little leftwing buzzword. It goes well with your overuse of the words racist, sexist, homophobic and of course, nazi. You people sound like spoiled little adolescent teenagers, do you know that?

Oh well, go on up to your rooms now and pout. Just so we're clear, no TV for a week and don't even thing about playing that X-box. You people are grounded.

And if you push it, you'll go straight to be with no dinner.

"Austin told the judge Monday he "wasn't really thinking" when he created the Web site. "I'd be devastated if someone used this information to harm others," he said."

A true anarchist. Wishy-washy. Childish. Non-thinking. Tell it like it is Shermie. Tell it like it is.

IM NO AMERICAN

I HATE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION I HATE FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION I HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH

You got that right. You sure ain't an American. Tell it like it is anarchist. Tell it like it is.

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That was cool.

Wipe on, wipe off.

ever thought they might attempt to come over in the boat/truck load because they are escaping a home that the "land of oppertunity" has pretty much raped, piliged and bombed to smitherines.....hmmmm i wonder why they want to settle in a place where capital is concentrated, shame they don't realise that most of the american population lives in utter poverty.....f**** capitalists...

we live in a society now where giving up your liberty is called security, well i wounder what kelly clrckson thinks of that, ah fucker, I mean when you need somthing done do it your self, oh what thats a crime now because of the patriot act man shucks you guys don't let people have any fun, well then lets see how about we protest, what mr. pres we can't do thaT well then I guess that all there is left to do is to take some acid and blow by brains all over the floor because this system won't reform and i won't conform.....................sigh

i know that i probably shouldn't give jealous attention seekers such as yourself any attention Z, but i just wanted to let you know that i think that no one cares what you think because it is selfish, ignorant, rude and racist. i am sorry that you are insecure about your own abilities in this world, but many more honor those who have a real purpose that has the common good in mind and is worth fighting for. know your history man, check out fred hampton, beautiful true soul, see if you can learn something.

The problem with many ppl is that they dont know what anarchism is. they think its the fuck all i do what i want thing. they think anarchy is purely destructive:"DESTROY THE SYSTEM!"

well all u, u should read the site i gave as URL. if u really want to discuss politics, be prepared to know ur enemy. if u defend our democracy, then know what anarchy is.

otherwise, u will just ridicule urself.

again read this page:
http://www.diy-punk.org/anarchy/

REALLY SCARY AS AN EUROPEAN I WON'T GO IN USA UNTIL THIS INTIMIDATION OR BLACK HAND MAFIA IS ACTIVE BY USA SECRET SERVICES.
LOOKS LIKE LUCKY LUCIANO AND OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS ONE OF THEM. WHO IS IN CHARGE IN AMERICA??

America has no middle ages!!! In that time you were europeans like me.. SO FUCK OF!!!

... that any constitutional right or Declaration are the embodiment of certain fundamental ideas.

It is pure idolatry to think that any system that represents these ideas is A PRIORI to the founding concepts themselves.

The spirit, the Ideas, that shine forth from the Constitution and the Decalaration Of Independence are ones that clearly state that WE THE PEOPLE have certain INALIENANBLE RIGHTS. These rights are being abolished as we speak. These rights are the RIght To Life, Liberty and The Pursuit Of Happiness. For instance the patriot act is a formal annulment of the Bill Of Rights. This Bill expounds in detail on the former Rights.

These rights are NOT created or granted by ANY government, as the Declaration of Independence clearly state.

THEY ARE INALIENBALE!!!!

Therefore they are guaranteed by NATURAL LAW and the only role government has is to make sure those rights aren't obscured or suppressed...

Explain to me what part of INALIENABLE do you not understand?

Furthermore any government that WE THE PEOPLE ELECT TO REPRESENT AND TO ENSURE THESE INALIENABLE RIGHTS BUT INSTEAD VIOLATE THEM, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE NOT JUST THE RIGHT BUT THE DUTY TO OVERTHROW THIS GOVERNMENT . Check it out. I don't make this shit up. It is in the Declaration OF Independence.

Sherman Austin is a True Patriot in that he adheres to the spirit of the Constitution and Declaration Of Independence rather then the Word. LONG LIVE SUCH PATRIOTS THAT LUMINARIES AS THOMAS JEFFERSON SPOKE OF THAT THEIR BLOOD AND THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS MUST PERENNIALLY WATER THE TREE OF LIBERTY.

Ummm...also...you are taught how to make bombs in the public school system...that class called...uh..chemistry!! And private school (and yes, I have attended both, thatnk you), gives you connections to the upper class folks that have parents in those industries to perfect the art. It is not difficult, I would imagine, I have no inten on making any, but if you take a chemistry leson, read the back of your "cleansing" products, you are halfway there...all that is missing is your intent..think about it....now, off to read his website to see what all the hubub is about....

BUSH RULES!!!!!! (literally)..

WUHOOOOOO!!!!!!

The idiots at Raise The Fist can't be easily defended for their notions that violent revolution or anarchy are viable alternatives to the otherwise peaceful pseuco-Democracy we usually have -- when unelected fascist baby killing dictators aren't running rampage in the Whitehouse, of course.

But despite the fact that Raise The Fist and its ower/operator are collectively a bunch of fucking morons, it was within their right to exercise their Constitutionally guarenteed right of free speech. I can't condone at all their advocacy of violence, revolution, or anarchy -- not in the least -- but the fact is that they were targeted solely because America is under the thumb of a fascist dictator and the Costitution of the United States has been suspended.

Puddin'Head: "Actions have consequences. "

So what should be the consequences say of....oh, I don't know...say of lyin to the American people to get them to support a war they don't want?

...fuckin' meatwhistle....

Don't any of you realize it yet? Your opinions do not matter! Nobody cares what any of you think! At least nobody important. You can have a protest with 10 million people, and nobody will care. They will do a media story on it, but it won't have any effect on the government's policies. How did you all get to be so naive?? It does not matter what any of you do. If you run a website like this guy telling how to make a bomb, there is a good chance you might go to jail too. We might even become a dictatorship and stop being a democracy. It all depends on what the people in power decide. And none of them give a damn what any of you think. So go ahead. Support or oppose Bush. Say whatever you think. But realize, that nothing you think or say or do matters, and you are an unimportant pawn in a large and complex world, your life dominated by forces beyond your control, the government being one of these forces. And maybe then you will see the folly in protest. Do not make the assumption that the Bill of Rights or Constitution is enforced. It depends on the judge, and the government. If you are in a military tribunal, don't expect to have any rights at all. The government can take away your citizenship and declare you an enemy combatant, which has already happened to several United States citizens, and you can have a secret trial, and your family will think you are a missing person. They can even execute you after a secret trial, with none of the normal legal protections to save you. This is not make-believe or a joke. Realize the consequences of your actions, and realize that anything involving plans for how to make bombs or something similar could get you into extremely deep trouble, and it is best not to be an anarchist or an activist. That type of activity is like walking down the street in Berlin in Nazi Germany in 1943, yelling out "I am a Jew" without wearing the required Star of David: it is going to get you in deep trouble with the government. Any rational person with a will to live realizes that their dissent must be limited to "civilized" dissent: supporting candidates of the main opposition political party. Anything further than that could severely endanger your health, if you know what I mean. Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

Sherman Austin should have been arrested and tried for high treason, convicted and then put to death by lethal injection.

Another freaking malcontent who wants to trash a country he could not be succcessful and thrive in due to his own bad judgement.

I hope you rot in prison Austin

To think about his crime. I hope he dies in prison,

uggh - how sick.
luckily, every time you people say these disgusting things, you alienate more and more people.

Yes yes yes, but does anyone really relize that all these anarchists are, are little babies that live under a blanket of freedom that people have provided for them. Anarchy.. doesn't work..... Austin Sherman isn't a traitor, but he commited crimes.... Speaking out against your country isn't a crime. It isn't patriotic. It is however a crime to violently overthrow your government. I hope he has a long wonderful time being someone's bitch in prison. I hope there he will find true peace with his beliefs

"I am a nigger with no job. I smoke crack and suck white knob. I am gonna get my ass pumped by Bubba, and I'll be screaming like a baby."

http://www.silcom.com/~paladin/madv/stoprape.html
http://www.cwluherstory.com
http://www.spr.org

imc users should demand and implement freedom AND dignity.

women and non-heteros and all marginalized and oppressed people who choose to use the interactive features of the la-imc should not be forced to endure the sewer stench of some LA-IMC posts.

we should look into the real possibilities and proposals for non-hierarchical solutions to 'troll' problems that do not involve censorship.

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latest comments

"Anarchism is a joke. PERIOD. Where is the "Anarchist's Constitution"?"

So you think the American Constitution doesn't apply to Anarchists? Interesting. Let me guess, you also think the Patriot Acts haven't already overthrown our Constitution?

To protect the world from terrorism, hate, rascism, and destruction, then we, the people, need to persecute the Bush Administration/The Ministry of Truth for their hideous crimes.

Open your eyes. "To protect and serve" has been omitted from police patrol cars in this country. So unless you are a brainwashed sheep or sucking dick for the Administration, then you are an anarchist.

The MILLIONS of Americans who vote for change, payt their taxes, and raise families in decent environments which are unlikely to produce an anarchist are NOT anarchists. I dont care what kind of a pathetic bubble you are living in, there is perhaps one anarchist to every 15,000th normal American. Sherman Austin is no different than Charles Manson in his ideaology. If you think you can just saunter around putting down your government, and then go as far as to lay out a website which gives instructions on how to make bombs (I know, I know "Sherman did not author the Reclaim Guide, blah blah blah), then he deserved to be jailed. That website also contained some disturbing methods to attach police, and to incite violence in general.

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE?

No matter what sort of leftwingnut dribble you write in support of your foolishness, you and your cohorts will ALWAYS be marginalized in American Society. If you cant understand the difference between anarchy and patriotism, then you dont have the right to be among the rest of us who DO.

I think it would be within the bounds of reason to hunt down and shoot brownshirts. Am I suggesting that anyone do it? No, I'm not. Do I think it would be justified? Yes, I do.

Would I shed a tear if someone hunted down and shot KOBE SBM? No, I wouldn't. I would consider it just. Am I suggesting that anyone do it? No, I'm not.

KOBE SBM rants about the "millions of decent Americans." Those Americans, unlike KOBE SBM, are not prowling around the Internet looking at child pornography, attacking Arabs and Muslims, libeling and defaming anarchists, and make death threats against governtal officials.

KOBE SBM - IT IS YOU THAT SHOULD BE IN PRISON.

FUCK YOU.

”The MILLIONS of Americans who vote for change, payt their taxes, and raise families in decent environments which are unlikely to produce an anarchist are NOT anarchists”

Americans like you Mr. KOBE professional disrupter and harasser ?

”I dont care what kind of a pathetic bubble you are living in, there is perhaps one anarchist to every 15,000th normal American”

Delightful !!
Another magical Gallup poll!!

”Sherman Austin is no different than Charles Manson in his ideaology. If you think you can just saunter around putting down your government, and then go as far as to lay out a website which gives instructions on how to make bombs (I know, I know "Sherman did not author the Reclaim Guide, blah blah blah), then he deserved to be jailed. That website also contained some disturbing methods to attach police, and to incite violence in general. ”

Brilliant!!
But you Mr. KOBE defend the BIG BOSS MAFIA.
You know you name? …
Right,
BINGO!!!

”No matter what sort of leftwingnut dribble you write in support of your foolishness, you and your cohorts will ALWAYS be marginalized in American Society.”

American Society like you Mr. KOBE professional disrupter and harasser?
What a pitiful and SICK American you represent!!
In fact, you’re NOT American , you’re INFRA American!!
SAD

Look at the crap he spews! This man owns a computer store! Only an idiot would take his computer to such a maniac.

Fuck KOBE SBM and FUCK COMPUTERS NLA.

Yeah.
Whatever.

You say your country is the greatest in the world. How come then, 12.7% of your population lives below the UN poverty line, DESPITE the fact that you are the biggest economy in the world? In my country, Denmark, there are no poor people. It is because of the socialistic system we have built. Perhaps you crazy capitalists should try to learn instead of just being arrogant for no reason. You country sucks and still you love it. Kinda like the inheritants of the Soviet Union. You are filled wiht lies.

If we wanted any shit out of you, we'd squeeze you head, Danish dog.

You wouldn't even have a country if it wasn't for us Americans. Hitler and Stalin would have divvied up your land up 60 years ago.

Show some respect.

And if it wasn't for America, thousands of Chileans wouldn't have been killed and tortured by Pinochet -- the U.S appointed Capitalist "Messiah."

Same with Nicaragua, Guatemala, Cambodia, Haiti, Iraq, Iran ad infinitum.

I just love it when an American tries to justifies his country's policies. Have you heard of history books? Flip through a couple before you get back to me.

he just loves the idea.

Chileans are generally more successful people than are Cubans. The reason is that they enjoy Capitalism and don't have to suffer Socialism. Pinochet set the stage for that by getting rid of Allende and his gang of thieves.

It would be no better than Cuba or North Korea by now. Pinochet cleaned up the country and set it back on its feet.

perhaps you would like to be dropped out of an airplane into the ocean like the other targets of the Pinochet regime. You two are vultures. I can't believe you claim membership in the human race.

both of you are sick evil bastards who not only are stupid and ignorant but without any morals in your twisted selfserving ideology.

congratulations, you would make good hood ornaments in Iraq.

this most likely makes you feel proud of yourselves, Enjoy your time in hell.