Sam Dolgoff's book, "The Cuban Revolution

A Critical Perspective"

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/toc.html

"These, and similar remarks scattered throughout Guevara's book, reveal a great deal about the true nature of Castro's ARMY. We emphasize the word ARMY to demonstrate that an allegedly voluntary association of dedicated idealists, in which a member who avails himself of his right to resign is called a "deserter" and shot on sight differs in no essential respect from any other traditional army of disciplined conscripts. Castro's military conduct is wholly consistent with his domineering personality. Commandante (now General) Castro and his officers, true to form, have turned Cuba itself into a MILITARY STATE."

also, Myths and Legends - CHE GUEVARA

http://www.spunk.org/library/groups/acf/sp001768.html

"Apart from the drive towards militarisation in the guerrilla groups, Che also had another important duty. He acted as the main spreader of Stalinism within J26M. He secretly worked towards an alliance with the Popular Socialist Party (the Cuban Communist Party). Up to then there were very few Stalinists within J26M and other anti-Batista groups like the Directorate and the anarchists were staunchly anti-Stalinist. The communists were highly unpopular among the anti-Batista forces. They had been junior partners of the regime and had openly condemned Castro's previous attacks on Batista in 1953. They belatedly joined the guerrilla war. "

Not only does Che have stalinist and bolshevik roots in his politics, Che was personally responsible for the murder and execution of campesinos that fought in the revolution that disagreed politically with Che.

Che ordered the execution of numerous anarchists, syndicalists and other revolutionaries that opposed the creation of the cuban dictatorship. Che is not the glorious hero he is painted to be but a rigid authoritarian thug whose hatred for capitalists was equalled by his hatred of dissent within the ranks.

000

YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CHE, CAUSE IF YOU REALLY KNOW HIM YOU COULD NOT TALK CSHIT ABOUT HIM. WHO'S NEXT? MARCOS? OR BAKUNIN? KROPOTKIN?

Marcos, Bakunin, and Kropotkin were not Stalinists, and Marcos doesn't execute guerilla's if they choose to leave.

Further, this isn't shit talking. these are facts.

I'm just a cum dumpster, so what do I know? Not a whole hell of a lot!

The fellow who cites Sam Dolgoff's book on Che and also provides links to ANARCHIST websites with archived tirades against Che... does so in order to present the "facts" concerning Che's life and actions.

Well, Dolgoff is one of the so-called "anti-authoritarians" who loves to slam the Left. And the anarchist websites provide absolutely no credible information concerning Che, since their entire platform is to rail against ALL government and authority. Their logic puts Governor Davis, Che, and Bush all in the same boat... in the "anarchist" view all three are "statist" oppressors who are oppossed to liberty. Sheer nonsense.

It's amusing how the so-called "anti-authoritarians" side with the extreme right when it comes to Che and Socialism. Maybe they'd like to shake the hands of the CIA for tracking down and killing Che, the dreaded stalinist killer.

It's also amusing how the infantile "anarchists" love and extol the EZLN and Comandante Marcos. One dummy even said the EZLN doesn't kill those who want to leave their ranks! Do some reading folks... the EZLN do not come out of an anarchist tradition, they spring from a socialist left tradition. They've NEVER denounced Socialism, Marxism, or Che, and they've NEVER praised anarchism. Go read some books, wankers.

It is precisely what you should do concerning your beloved Che; namely, read some books.

The fact that your "logic" equates anarchism with Bush and Davis is an indication of how flimsy your understanding of anarchism, liberterian communism, and syndicalism actually is. But we'll put that aside for now.

Yes, anarchists critique the state precisely because when in the hands of Marxists/Leninists of various flavors, and not to mention maoists, it is turned into dictatorships left and right (N. Korea, former Soviet Union, Cuba, China, etc etc).

Let's be absolutely clear about this: Cuba is a military dictatorship. period. A golden cage is still a cage, even with such accomplishments in the area of literacy and health care.

Further, your ad hominem attacks completely refuse to directly address the arguments made above in the links on Che pointing to his lunacy with respect to his overseeing the executions mentioned.

For other readers, you'll notice that quetzal refuses to even counter one of them, and for those who don't know the history on this, be aware that what Che and his supporters represent is a path towards a centralized dictatorial state in which the party of choice becomes judge, jury and executioner. make no mistake about it, marxist/leninists are the enemy of anarchists and have always been and will always be.

if you want a world without dictatorships and party lines, stay away from those who follow the cult of Che and Fidel.

It's a standard attack for other "leftists" to equate anarchists as sympathetic to right wingers. Lets state for the record that that is just a baseless attack to discredit those that won't tow party lines.

the position that many anarchists take on the EZLN is generally sympathetic. "The military organisation of the Zapatistas is also not one that anarchists would prefer. The army is heierical. But the army is not the decision making centre of the movement like it would be in a Marxist vanguard organisation."

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/andrew/zap_asr.html

However, don't let quetzal fool you, the EZLN have made it clear that they will not make their ideological affiliations a zapatista position. Indeed, of a few groups BANNED from participation in the zapatista communities, the one that sticks out the most was a marxist sect out of Los Angeles known as NCDM, where they pulled the most scandalous sectarianism that the Zapatista's denoucned Cecilia Rodriguez as their US Representative for the EZLN.

Finally, for the record, anarchism is socialism and is considered the left wing of socialism that is based in participatory power distribution. Marxist/Leninists of which Fidel has characterized the cuban revolution is generally considered the right wing of socialism and is extremely authoritarian in their politics.

000



more reading sources:

Cuban Anarchsim at the Anarchist People of Color site:

http://www.illegalvoices.org/apoc/books/cuban/front.html

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/articl.html

http://www.spunk.org/cat-us/mexico.html

http://www.radio4all.org/aia/dec_directdemocracy.html

On the other hand

by 000 • Tuesday August 05, 2003 12:52 PM



I'm just a cum dumpster, so what do I know? Not a whole hell of a lot!

... than cum... books, food, furniture, appliances...

And leftists should stop bashing each other...

With respect to Legume Sam, the problem is is that not all leftists are the same. While we may have similar 'enemies', we simply don't share the same political positions. It is precisely this line of thinking that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of anarchists at the hands of Marxist/Leninists.

It might appear that Marxists/Leninists and anarchists might have commonality in the current period opposing Bush et al, but that commonality will, without a doubt, disappear immediately when questions of ownership, decision making, and power generally arise. Hence, the need to understand why the cult of Fidel and Che is not the friend of liberterian socialists.

000 ( the original, not the imposters two posts above)

The last post I made was @ 10:09 PM on Aug. 5.

we can keep playing cat and mouse on this identity game if you like "REAL 000" but i think readers can tell from the content of my rants which one is real. At least i am articulating something rather than talking about cum, which is probably the extent of you vocabulary.

000

Please talk about cum some more. You're getting my panties all wet.

a bunch of computer nerds that talk alot of shit.

Big on talk

Small on action.

pussies need to get laid.