9/11 - ARE AMERICANS THE VICTIMS OF A HOAX?

Latest update: Sat Mar 2 14:20:12 PST 2002
The time has come to stop using the flag as a blindfold, to stop waving our guns and our gods at each other, to take a close look at the facts which have emerged from the attacks on the World Trade Towers and to recognize the very real possibility, indeed probability, that We The People are the victims of a gigantic and deadly hoax.

In a normal terrorist event, the terrorists cannot wait to take credit, in order to link the violence to the socio-political intent of the terrorist organization. Yet the prime suspect in the New York Towers case, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (whose brother is one of George W. Bush's Texas business partners), has issued only two statements regarding the September 11th attacks, and both of those are denials of any involvement.

Huge problems are emerging in the official view of events. It's known that the United States was planning an invasion of Afghanistan long before the attacks on the World Trade Towers. Indeed the attacks on the World Trade Towers perfectly fit the timetable of an invasion by October stated by US officials just last summer.

The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't point to Afghanistan. They come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates; all across the middle east without a focus in any one region. Indeed, even as the FBI was admitting that its list of 19 names was based solely on identifications thought to have been forged, Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saudi Al-Faisal insisted that an investigation in Saudi Arabia showed that the 5 Saudi men were not aboard the four jetliners that crashed in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania on September 11. "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened," Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press in Washington after meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush at the White House. A sixth identified hijacker is also reported to still be alive in Tunisia, while a 7th named man died two years ago!

The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't even appear on the passenger lists of the hijacked planes. Check it out for yourself - here's the full list of alleged hijackers along with the passenger manifests.

CNN reported that the men who hijacked those aircraft were using phony IDs, using the names of real people still living in Arab nations in the middle east.

In another development, the BBC is reporting that the transcript of a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat numbers occupied by the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the seats of the men the FBI claimed were responsible for the hijacking!

FBI Chief Robert Mueller admitted on September 20 and on September 27 that at this time the FBI has no legal proof to prove the true identities of the suicidal hijackers. Yet in the haste to move forward on the already planned war in Afghanistan, our government and the FBI (which does not have the best record for honesty in investigations to begin with, having been caught rigging lab tests, manufacturing testimony in the Vincent Foster affair, and illegally withholding/destroying evidence in the Oklahoma Bombing case) are not taking too close a look at evidence that points away from the designated suspect, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden.

In particular, the FBI, too busy harassing political dissenters to find spies in its midst, the long rumored mole inside the White House, or plug leaks in high-tech flowing to foreign nations, has willfully and criminally ignored the implications of some vital pieces of information the FBI is itself waving around at the public.

We are being told that this crack team of terrorists, able to breeze past airport security as if it wasn't there, wound up leaving so much evidence in its wake that the bumbling Inspector Clouseau (or the FBI) could not fail to stumble over it. The locations where the terrorists supposedly stayed are so overloaded with damning materials that they resemble less a crimes scene, and more a "B" detective movie set, with vital clues always on prominent display for the cameras.

Yet another problem lies with the described actions of the hijackers themselves. We are being told on the one hand that these men were such fanatical devotees of their faith that they willingly crashed the jets they were flying into buildings. Yet on the other hand, we are being told that these same men spent the night before their planned visit to Allah drinking in strip bars, committing not just one, but two mortal sins which would keep them out of Paradise no matter what else they did. Truly devout Muslims would spend the day before a suicide attack fasting and praying. Not only does the drinking in strip bars not fit the profile of a fanatically religious Muslim willing to die for his cause, but the witness reports of the men in the bars are of men going out of their way to be noticed and remembered, while waving around phony identifications.

Because of the facts of the phony identifications, we don't really know who was on those planes. What we do know is that the men on those planes went to a great deal of trouble to steal the identities of Muslims, and to make sure those identities were seen and remembered, then to leave a plethora of planted clues around, such as crop dusting manuals, and letters in checked baggage (why does a terrorist about to die need to check baggage?) that "somehow" didn't get on the final, fatal, flight.

Fake terror is nothing new. According to recently released files, our government planned Operation NORTHWOODS to stage phony terror attacks against American citizens in the wake of the Bay Of Pigs, to anger Americans into support for a second invasion of Cuba. The plan was spiked by JFK. If our government has ever actually carried out such plans to stage phony terror attacks, the documents have remained classified. But given the reality of Operation NORTHWOODS, or the manner in which FDR maneuvered Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, one cannot rule out the possibility that, once again, the people of the United States are being lied to by their own government, to manufacture consent for a war of invasion already being discussed with other nations the previous summer.

It is also quite possible, indeed likely, that the United States is being spoofed by a third party to trigger a war. It has happened before. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team.

The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Whether they were involved in the attacks or not, it cannot be doubted that Israel has benefited from the attacks in New York. While world attention is focused on what the US will do in Afghanistan, Israel has escalated its attacks against Palestinians towns. Israel has repeatedly tried to claim that Palestinians were involved in the New York attacks, hoping to bury the Palestinian cause under the rubble of the World Trade Towers.

Because of the faked IDs and stolen identities, we don't really know who planned the World Trade Towers attacks. We only know who they wanted us to blame.

And we know that the United States has been tricked in the past into bombing someone who did not deserve the attack, and that those who were bombed then embarked on what from their point of view was justified retaliation that culminated over Lockerbie. And while bombs were falling and planes were crashing, Israel was laughing at us that we had been so easily fooled into bombing Israel's targets for them.

Are we being hoaxed again, by Israel, or by our own government, or by both? It's impossible to rule that out. Right now there are a lot of people who want war. Oil companies want Afghanistan's petroleum products. Our corporations want "friendlier" markets. The CIA wants all that opium. And all those war-mongers, with all their greed and agendas, will not hesitate in the least to pour your tax dollars and your children's blood all over Afghanistan, to get those "friendlier" markets, oil, and opium.

Because of the vested interests at work here, American citizens must, more than at any other time in recent history, rely on themselves to decide what is happening in our nation. Too many of those who purport to report the "truth" to us are eager to grab more tax money and more children to pour into a war of invasion, poised at a region which has swallowed up every army that has tried to conquer it since the time of Alexander The Great.

And one more thing. Take a good look at the map of Eurasia and plot out where the United States has military deployments. They march in a straight line through the middle of Eurasia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan.

The United States is prepared to cut the Russian Federation off from the oil rich middle east, and to control transportation routes from China and India into the Middle East. When Russia realizes that this is the real agenda, that's when "Dubya Dubya Three" will really get going!

POSTSCRIPT: Looks like the cat is out of the bag. See http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/08/17401.html

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Why does the Bush Junta want to prevent a complete investigation into 911?

Got something to hide?



P.S. The URL is: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html

"Are we being hoaxed again, by Israel, or by our own government, or by both? It's impossible to rule that out."

Uh, no. It's not. The evidence is overwhelming and has been posted over and over and over again.

Now, granted, you seem to have some sort of vested interest in NOT accepting the obvious AND verified but that's nothing new.

Your article is simple tired drivel.

Thanks again, but no thanks.

and the evidence that you are a mossad cleaning women is also
available. There is no refutation.

The 1, one, only, singular, Israeli casualty on 911 was Alona Avaraham, Age 30, aboard UA Flight 175.

(The only one identified as such anyway.)

So we're back to the great Jew plot are we?

You guys are too much.

By the way. Do a litle research. Many, many Jews and Isreali's died in the WTC and Pentagon attacks committed by the 19 arab savages. But I suspect you'll bravely keep up the charade.

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77
By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that “crashed” on that day.

A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.

When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.
This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the “hijackers” of Flight 77:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/stripe/6_48/national_news/12279-1.html

The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so.

Now, being the trusting sort, I figured that the government would want to quickly dispel any rumors so we could get on with the chore of kicking Osama/Sadaam’s butt (weren’t these originally two different people?). It seemed simple to me. . .produce the names of all the bodies identified by the AFIP and compare it with the publicized list of passengers. So, I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the AFIP and asked for an expedited response, because we were getting ready to send our boys to war on the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done the deed. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list. Believe me that they weren’t a bit happy to give it up, and I really have no idea why they choose now to release it.

No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to “revise” their original list, but they have not responded. The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claims that the only “passenger” body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified. The satanic masterminds behind this caper may be feeling pretty smug about the perfect crime, but they have left a raft of clues tying these unfortunates together. Stay tuned for part two to take a much closer look of the cast of characters on this ill-fated flight.
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APFN - 9/11 - FLIGHT 77 - INFO AND LINKS:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm

NEWS UPDATES:
http://www.sierratimes.com/news.htm
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/7-03-03/discussion.cgi.48.html

BULL SHIT.

PROVE IT.

Other Jews? Perhaps.

Other Israelis? No.

sounds like it could have been 19 savage frescas.
what an ignorant racist asshole. no 'arabs' on the flights.
None.
No evidence.
Just another mossad false flag operation. No big deal.
Get over it.

yu are the one who needs to do some research:

Jeff, thought you'd be interested. Following is another email I'm sending far and wide to news people, Senators, Reps., etc. Of course, some of the URLs came from your great news website...

7 of the 19 FBI identified WTC Hijackers were found alive AFTER September 11. The 7 men were NOT on the planes! So WHY did NBC and CBS continue to deceive the American people and Congress with their newest TV reports Saturday, March 2nd? NBC and CBS again presented the SAME (stolen) 7 names and photos provided back on September 17th by the FBI --- 7 men who were NOT on the WTC planes and are still alive.

The FBI "investigation" - and the network reporting - appear a fiasco. Could the networks (add the NY Times wire to that now) be totally ignorant of contradictory overseas investigative news that was widely reported many times last year?

If ignorant, they need to check the following URL, an article with the names and most photos of the seven men FOUND ALIVE. Doesn't this fiasco raise valid suspicions the FBI and administration may NOT KNOW the TRUE identities of (any of) the 19 believed Hijackers? Who actually were the 7 (or 19) dead Hijackers?

Seven Of The WTC Hijackers Found Alive! http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm

Excerpt from report:

"Some of the men the FBI claims hijacked planes on Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon, and Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania are still alive. No, they weren't pulled from the rubble - they were never on the planes. The FBI press release of September 27th, 2001 containing names, photographs, aliases and other information is seriously flawed. They have used these peoples names and made claims based on the fact they were pilots ... and other supposedly incriminating evidence ... and yet these men were not involved. Places of birth, birthdays and other personal details were displayed on news throughout the world."


Following are URLs from Britain's BBC, Telegraph, Independent and another news outlets about some of the FBI (wrongly identified) Hijackers found alive...

BBC News... September 23, 2001 2001 Hijack 'Suspects' Alive And Well http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1559000/1559151.stm
News Telegraph.uk... September, 23, 2001 Revealed: The Men With Stolen Identities http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.x ml

The Independent.uk... September 17, 2001 'Suicide Hijacker' Is An Airline Pilot Alive And Well In Jeddah
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/

The Daily Trust (Aduja)... September 24, 2001 Dead Saudi Hijack Suspect Resurfaces, Denies Involvement http://allafrica.com/stories/200109240325.html

(Note: There are several more URLs listed in the top URL story)

Following is a shocker about the Hijackers that is astounding!

Rense.com...March 1, 2002 Florida Terrorist Flight School Linked To CIA Firm http://www.rense.com/general20/link.htm

"New evidence linking the owner of the Venice Florida flight school which trained Mohamed Atta to the Central Intelligence Agency surfaced earlier this month."

Above URL stories posted by Dick Fojut Dick Fojut Graphics in Tucson, Arizona dfgraphics@gci-net.com
http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm

and for some sample of jewish savagery:
http://www.iap.org/massacres.htm

Prove it? Gladly you dolt.

You claim one Israeli citizen correct?

http://66.223.12.161/september11Victims/victims_list.htm

Here's at least two. First and only search I did. To say nothing of the MANy Jews who were killed.

By the way, there was only one Irish citizen killed. Hmmmm? Only one Indian citizen. Hmmm????

And imagine this....NO citizens any Arab country that I can see. I guess the JEWS you love to hate were in cahoots with a bunce of Indians, Micks and Arabs according to your logic.

You imbeciles throw out stats (incorrect to begin with) that mean nothing and try to base more of your hate-filled paranoia around them.

You're not only pathetic but you're incredibly clumsy. Your nopnsensical theories regulary blow up in your faces, as this one did, when faced with evidence.

That one or two or even a hundred or zero Israeli citizens died in the WTC attcacks means what? Please tell us what hidden meaning lies behind that stat.

Thank you God, for making my enemies ridiculous.

...I am interested but frescaw is not.

frescaw as near as I can tell probably works for one of the following (or more than one):

Mossad
JINSA
Anti-Defamation League (an adjunct of the Mossad)
AIPAC
JDL.

I lean toward JDL (Mossad Indirectly) as frescaw does not appear bright enough to work directly for Mossad. Although I could be wrong.

Motto of the Mossad: "By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

-is a thankless task. So dedicated, tireless and circular.

No 'arab savages'
None.
There was a small group of high fiveing isreali citizens who had to take a quick powder. Had explosive residue on the truck.
What moving company? Get over it.

you're an asshole. You know I don't work for anyone. You just sit there getting bombarded with data that continually proves all your cockeyed fantasies to be just that and your only recourse is to claim I work for some intel agency. Do you realize how utterly foolish and laughable you sound?
You and your cohorts are simply hobbyists who NEVER and I repeat NEVER post anything but missives written by other deluded fools.

Never. Oh you post alot of crap and words typed by goofs with way to much time on their hands waiting for the next disability check to roll in, but you never post a single word of verifiable fact or news. Just inane gossip and fiction.

And when you are, routinely, called to rask for it, you claim it must be an intel agent out to get you. After all, you are SO important.

This Israeli conspiracy is the perfect example. It's been almost two years since this one came and went in the real world. Most conspiracy nitwits don't even drag this one out anymore because it's so ludicrous and easily trounced (as I just did, thank you). Yet here at indymedia you and you salivating flock of sycophants are still trying to float it.

You all are a joke. utterly inconsequential. Yet so loathsome that it's offers some weird kick to rub your noses in it.

It's fun to throw bait into this dark little hole of indymedia and check in to see what bit. I get something everytime.

fresca's having an embarassing discharge. Who pulled out the buttplug?
Dio, you keep poking the sore spot and she keeps squealing.
I love it.

Aw shucks he says as he kind of shuffles his foot in the dry Plains dust.

Whats up people? Dio you are the bomb man. Anyone who can make Fresca ( who happens to be a man by the way ) squeal is A OK in my book. As always your doing a fine job. Hey does anybody know where my friend Jewboy is. Kinda miss that dude. Been a long time since we chatted.

Fish on!

Love it!

Fish on and love it? If I didnt know u were a man id call you a crack whore.

"...routinely, mind you; "...and beaten with a heavyduty, jagged, rusted towchain, hourly"..."

1. irish at wtc? The issue is how many irish were normally at the WTC? How many isrealis were normally at the WTC. Were irish thick as flies at the WTC? If not the low count of irish dead proves nothing. BUt how may isrealis were normally present at the WTC before the disaster.

2. But as for jewish victims: lets close this issue once and for al; there WERE jewish people killed in the WTC attacks; here is one victim:
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/VictimInfo.asp?ID=3541

the following site has a fairly complete list of the victims. i suggest te sceptics take a look thru the list. There are many jewish names
http://remember.worldatwar.org/main.mhtml/main/victims

...were Israeli's?

As far as I know only one Israeli died as a result of the 911 Reichstag Event.

The fact that few (more than one which is still more than most other nationalities) Israeli's were murdered by arab savages during the 9-11 WTC attacks proves what?

And why is it that there is this notion that the WTC was usually crawling with Israelis? That whole strawman is found only within conspiracy lunacy posits. There's no evidence or even reason for Isreali's to be any more represented in the WTC than any other nationality. Unless of course you follow the time tested bigotry of, "Well it's the TRADE center so there musta been alot of them JEWS and ISRAELI'S hangin' around".

Yet another racist delusion shot down.

Thank you God for making my enemies ridiculous.

...about Jews. I said Israeli's and I meant Israelis. Their nationality is what I am pointing at not their Religion.

I draw no final conclusion. It is just an interesting datum.

Like the Dancing Israelis. Why were they in such apparent glee over the collapse of the towers and the deaths of nearly 3000 people? Another interesting datum.

Put enough datums together and you have data.

Collect enough data and you can venture a hypothesis.

Well if that;s interesting to you then so be it.

Can't figure out why only the fact that a few Israeli's were murdered by arab terrorists is so interesting but the fact that solo representatives of many other nationalities were murdered as well sparks no interest.

Knock yourself out though.

And as far as the "dancing isreali's" goes. Let's just agree to file that under "racist urban folklore embarrassingly kept afloat by fruitcakes" seeing as how there is no evidence of such a hamfisted and transparent rumor being anything but an internet hoax.

At the end of the day we have this. Alot of people died when the arabs attacked us. People from all over the world died. Israel like many other countries was represented. That's really the end of this one.

... a parting thought.

"And as far as the "dancing isreali's" goes. Let's just agree to file that under "racist urban folklore embarrassingly kept afloat by fruitcakes" seeing as how there is no evidence of such a hamfisted and transparent rumor being anything but an internet hoax. "

I guess that is why the FBI spent a week interrogating them, and the owner of the company they worked for, Urban Moving Systems, abandoned his business and fled back to Israel. Now I get it! Urban Movers got transposed in your mind to Urban Legend.

Either it is true or not true. It would seem to me that you should levy your complaint about "Racism" against the FBI. I am sure they would be pleased to hear your opinion.

P.S. How's things in Tel Aviv this morning? Had lunch yet?

"I guess that is why the FBI spent a week interrogating them, and the owner of the company they worked for, Urban Moving Systems, abandoned his business and fled back to Israel."

Feel free to gove some verifiable evidence of this which supports the notion that these Israeli's were at all suspected of some sort of plot.

That is, if they even exist beyond the realm of cyber myth.

Plenty of Jewish people died on Sept 11,
Actually, nobody knows the exact figure of jews who die on 9/11, because many american and non-american jews are agnostic-atheists or are interested in some other form of religion and they weren´t registered anywhere as a "jewish".

For sure, many of them are zionists too.

In former USSR judaism, as well all other religions was banned, but 2 millions russian (and soviet) Jews were defined as “Jew” and discriminated (for ex. written remark in their ID - "Jew") without any connection to jewish religion .

: In Nazi-germany, according to the Nurnbergs laws, even Jews who had converted to christianity (i.e. ex-jews up to the 5-th generation) were defined by NSDAP-regime as a "jews" and treated as such from this definition.

Many russian jews died on 9/11 :
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/09/04092002171059.asp

New York, 4 September 2002 (RFE/RL) -- Ahead of the anniversary that will bring pause to their city and nation, Americans of Russian descent gathered on 1 September to remember loved ones who were among the 2,823 killed in the World Trade Center attacks on 11 September.

The event was organized by the World Congress of Russian Jewry, a Moscow-based, nonprofit organization. But the service was dedicated to the memory of all victims of Russian descent -- Jews and gentiles

you ask
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Israelis live in israel, of course.
WHY should all 5 millions israelis sitting in NYC, WTC ?
However.
even many israelis died in 9/11.

<< As
far as I know only one Israeli died as a result of the 911 Reichstag Event.<<

bullshit.
How y know where are israelis , if many of them are american citizen.
u talk bullshit.

...the fulminations of the above Post that it provided no factual refutation of the fact that only 1 Israeli died in the 911 Reichstag Fire.

And again as has been pointed out ad nauseam Criticism of Israel is not Criticism of the Noble Religion of Judaism it is criticism of Israel the Nation, it's policies, and actions. Religion is peripheral only in that Isareli Zionists have tried to HiJack Judaism as a Fig Leaf for their Political Policies. It is a lie to do so and should be named as such.

"...the fulminations of the above Post that it provided no factual refutation of the fact that only 1 Israeli died in the 911 Reichstag Fire. "

I posted links yesterday which CLEARLY refute this and YOU responded to them. You did not argue then.

You're simply dodging.

By the way? Why is it that you believe that Isareli's should have been disproportionately represented in the Arab murders at the WTC?

I asked that yesterday and you manged to reply with a non-sequitor reposting of an old online hoax. How about a real answer. Plenty of countries had one or no citizens among the victims.

fresca the liar: Feel free to gove some verifiable evidence of this which supports the notion that these Israeli's were at all suspected of some sort of plot.

Check the links and see if they still work.

ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF 9-11 INVOLVEMENT.

TRIO WHO CHEERED ATTACK FACE BOOT AS ILLEGAL ALIENS.
By AL GUART (NEW YORK POST) www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/

September 13, 2001 -- Three men who celebrated as the Twin Towers crumbled are facing deportation, The Post has learned. The men, described as illegal immigrants from the Middle East, were arrested Tuesday afternoon in a white Chevy van near the Meadowlands based on a tip from witnesses who saw them "cheering" and "jumping up and down" in Liberty State Park after the attack, a source said.

Witnesses took the plate number and the FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion."

Port Authority cops nabbed the three as they drove along Route 3 in East Rutherford in the van, which had the words "Urban Moving Systems" painted on it. After grilling the men and searching the van in vain for explosives, the FBI turned the men over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service for deportation.

The feds declined to release the men's identities or nationalities. "The agency has decided it will not make any comments about this at this time," said INS spokesman Kerry Gill. Officials at "Urban Moving" claimed to be unaware of what had happened.

FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
BERGEN RECORD (New Jersey) Wednesday, September 12, 2001

www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm

By PAULO LIMA Staff Writer

Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.

Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.

"We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."

East Rutherford officers summoned the county bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. The FBI alert, known as a BOLO or "Be On Lookout," was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read:

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."

State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. "First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave," the traveler said.

At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.

THE SUSPICIOUS "MIDDLE EASTERN MOVERS" WERE ISRAELIS WITH BOXCUTTERS,
EUROPEAN PASSPORTS AND $4000 CASH
SOURCE: ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS

Arutz Sheva News Service IsraelNationalNews.com 10-26-1

Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge. Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne'am, says that her son Yaron is in "a very critical psychological situation," given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. "The Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson today. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions."

When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: "It's ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food."

*The Israeli newspaper Ha'retz revealed on Sept 17 that these were the same men who were seen "celebrating" and "making mocking gestures" as the Twin Towers collapsed.

** The Jerusalem Post reported on October 26 that the Israelis were smiling as they photograhed themselves with the collapsed towers in the background.

5 ISRAELIS DETAINED FOR "PUZZLING BEHAVIOR" AFTER WTC TRAGEDY
By Yossi Melman Sept. 17, 2001 Ha'aretz

Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as "puzzling behavior" following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. The five are expected to be deported sometime soon.

The families of the five, who asked that their names not be released, said that their sons had been questioned by the FBI for hours on end, had been kept in solitary confinement for three days, and had been humiliated, stripped of their clothes and blindfolded.

The mother of one of the young men explained the chain of events as she understands it to Ha'aretz:

She said that the five had worked for the company, which is owned by an Israeli, for between two months and two years. They had been arrested some four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building, she said. It appears that they were spotted by one of the neighbors who called the police and the FBI.

The mother said that the families and friends of the five in Israel had known nothing of the men's whereabouts for a number of days.

"When they finally let my son make a phone call for the first time to a friend in the United States two days ago, he told him that he had been tortured by the FBI in a basement," the mother said. "He was stripped to his underwear; he was blindfolded and questioned for 14 hours. They thought that because he has citizenship of a European country as well as of Israel that he was working for the Mossad [Israel's secret service]."

Seven FBI agents later stormed the apartment of one of the Israelis, searched it and questioned his roommate. The Israeli owner of the company, who has U.S. citizenship, was also questioned. Both men were subsequently released.

The families here complained that the Israeli consulate in New York and the situation room set up by the Foreign Ministry there to locate missing Israelis had done nothing to help their sons. The Foreign Ministry told the families that the FBI had denied holding the five and that the consulate had chosen to believe the FBI, the mother said.

The five were transferred out of the FBI's facility on Saturday morning and are now being held in two prisons in New Jersey by the Immigration and Naturalization Services. They are charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits.

The Foreign Ministry said in response that it had been informed by the consulate in New York that the FBI had arrested the five for "puzzling behavior." They are said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=75266&sw=mockery#top

fresca: Cat got your tongue.

"Thank you God..."

In addition to God, what other fairy tales do you believe in? Santa Claus? The Easter bunny? The Tooth Fairy? You're nuttier than a Planter's peanut factory!!!!

That's the best you can come up with?

Some silly adolescent idea that being an aethiest is cool.

Grow up junior.

Obviously, if that's it, then we can consider the "dancing isreali" fools thoroughly humiliated.

Thank You God for making my enemies ridiculous.

Yes it is!

That was me. Aren't I clever? My mommy thinks so!!!!

Unbelievable!!

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

LOL!!!!

"Grow up junior."

That's rich, coming from someone who believes in FAIRY TALES!!! Idiot.

Do you always have conversations with yourself?

Of course, I believe in evolution, the biggest fairy-tale of all, so what do I know.

Got a problem with it?

Of course, I believe in God, the biggest fairy-tale of all, so what do I know.

I will continue to make an idiot out of myself. Nobody can stop me!!!!

fresca is a fucking moron.

You godless morons are forced to hide and protest behind bandanas and look like fools, while the rest of America enjoys living the American Dream. How will your children (if you have any) look upon you morons when they get old enough to know you as an adult?

Believing in God just means believing in a power greater than yourself. That power exists, wether you want to believe it or not.

It really is like we're teaching a ninth grade special ed class in here sometimes..

They are an entertaining lot however.

OK Fresca, you wise guy.

Then how do you explain the fact that the Israelis in the moving van possessed box cutters?

Obviously there comrades in arms dropped them from the flights after they subdued the pilots as they passed overhead.

And the troll now caries the conversation with
itself thinking that we don't know [fresca/Anna/Connie]
what a moron. But don't let me stop you, everyone needs a hobby.

Eric, I reckon must sane people believe something along those lines.
Of course, the INSANE israel supporters, will believe any LIE as long as it blinds them to the fact that the israelis are just later day nazis.

that people think that israel would NEVER do anything illegal or be a fascist government.
People are so brainwashed.
These are going to be the same people that change thier views after the geonocide is shown.
THey will say that they knew somthing weird was going on all the time.
Hypocrites

Whatever.
.

the truth hurts dosent it

the truth hurts dosent it

He's guilty because he's a nigger. They are no good parasites.

Get yer red hot "Race Riot" here!

Callin' all white trash, niggers, and spics!

Please commence ta killin each other immediately.

Thank you for your attention.
The Master Race

go out children, into the gated communities in all directions. Lots of goodies. Bring party favors for the residents.

It was a Mossad operation. Zionists use the deaths of jews.
False Flag ops. Old yet new. What's a few thousand or million deaths.

"It was a Mossad operation. Zionists use the deaths of jews.
False Flag ops. Old yet new. What's a few thousand or million deaths."

Sheepdog you still got it!

Just as stupid and deluded as ever.

Keep it up!

LOL!!

Conspiracy theories are so easy to create that I'll give you one. Hundreds of Dominicans died in the Twin Towers incident, then, as no Haitian died there, or pehaps only a couple of them, I believe this was an attack of the Haitian fundamentalist against the Dominicans, because, as you must know, there is an ancestral hate between these two nationalities --this is close to the true. Do you see how the most stupid of the theories can be justified?
The reality is, there is a small group of Muslins, fundamentalist, fanatics, who are living in the remote past, were "holy wars" --the Wester hemisphere did it too-- had to be fought in the name of God. But please, do not increase the hate among nationalities; there is too much already around the globe.

Conspiracy s are so easy to create that I'll give you one.
The CIA+Mossad created a scenario to gut the
treasury, shred the constitution and plunge the people of the United States into a permanent war.
Who benefits? Certainly not the people of Afganastan or Iraq.
Not the average man.
This was a big gain for wall street and insiders who were given new
open ended contracts.
On with the new american century.

The stock market is just booming!

Nice try.

NEXT!

defence (war) contractors are doing very well.

The threat of terrorism tends to have that effect. People want to feel safe. Especially Americans that have to work overseas. So 9-11 was good for my business too. I suppose I'm responsible for the 9-11 hoax now, huh?

What a ridiculous notion sheepdog. You don't honestly believe that, do you?

I would just like to add that in my world, grass is flourescent pink.

Right here, idiot.

To the author of this website:

SCREW YOU YOU ANTI-SEMITE !! YOU ARE A FUCKING DUMBASS !!!!!!!!!!