It could have been any night of the week, as I sat in one of those loud and casual steak houses that are cropping up all over the country. You know the type- a bucket of peanuts on the table, shells littering the floor, and a bunch of perky college kids racing around with longneck beers and sizzling platters.

Taking a sip of my iced tea, I studied the crowd over the rim of my glass. I let my gaze linger on a few of the tables next to me, where several uniformed military members were enjoying their meals.

Smiling sadly, I glanced across my booth to the empty seat where my husband usually sat. Had it had only been a few weeks since we had sat at this very table talking about his upcoming deployment to the Middle East? He made me promise to come back to this restaurant once a month, sit in our booth, and treat myself to a nice dinner. He told me that he would treasure the thought of me there eating a steak and thinking about him until he came home.

I fingered the little flag pin I wear on my jacket and wondered where at that moment he was. Was he safe and warm? Was his cold any better? Were any of my letters getting to him?

As I pondered all of these things, shrill feminine voices from the next booth broke into my thoughts.

"I don't know what Bush is thinking invading Iraq. Didn't he learn anything from his father's mistakes? He is an idiot anyway, I can't believe he is even in office. You know he stole the election."

I cut into my steak and tried not to listen as they began an endless tirade of running down our president. I thought about the last night I was with my husband as he prepared to deploy. He had just returned from getting his smallpox and anthrax shots and the image of him standing in our kitchen packing his gas mask still gave me chills.

Once again their voices invaded my thoughts.

"It is all about oil, you know. Our military will go in and rape and pillage and steal all the oil they can in the name of freedom. I wonder how many innocent lives our soldiers will take without a thought? It is just pure greed."

My chest tightened and I stared at my wedding ring. I could picture how handsome my husband was in his mess dress the day he slipped it on my finger. I wondered what he was wearing at that moment. He probably had on his desert uniform, affectionately dubbed coffee stains, over the top of which he wore a heavy bulletproof vest.

"We should just leave Iraq alone. I don't think they are hiding any weapons. I think it is all a ploy to increase the president's popularity and pad the budget of our military at the expense of social security and education. We are just asking for another 9-11 and I can't say when it happens again that we didn't deserve it."

Their words brought to mind the war protesters I had watched gathering outside our base. Did no one appreciate the sacrifice of brave men and women who leave their homes and family to ensure our freedom? I glimpsed at the tables around me and saw the faces of some of those courageous men, looking sad as they listened to the ladies talk.

"Well, I for one, think it is a travesty to invade Iraq and I am certainly sick of our tax dollars going to train the professional baby killers we call a military."

Professional baby killers? As I thought about what a wonderful father my husband is and wondered how long it would be before he was able to see his children again, indignation rose up within me. Normally reserved, pride in my husband gave me a boldness I had never known. Tonight, one voice would cry out on behalf of the military. One shy woman would stand and let her pride in our troops be known.

I made my way to their table, placed my palms flat on it and lowered myself to be eye level with them. Smiling I said, "I couldn't help overhearing your conversation. I am sitting over here trying to enjoy my dinner alone. Do you know why I am alone? Because my husband, whom I love dearly, is halfway across the world defending your right to say rotten things about him. You have the right to your opinion, and what you think is none of my business, but what you say in my hearing is and I will not sit by and listen to you run down my country, my president, my husband, and all these other fine men and women in here who put their lives on the line to give you the freedom to complain. Freedom is expensive ladies, don't let your actions cheapen it."

I must have been louder than I meant to be, because about that time the manager came over and asked if everything was all right.

"Yes, thank you." I replied and then turned back to the ladies, "Enjoy the rest of your meal."

To my surprise, as I sat down to finish my steak, a round of applause broke out in the restaurant. Not long after the ladies picked up their check and scurried away, the manager brought me a huge helping of apple cobbler and ice cream, compliments of the table to my left.

He told me that the ladies had tried to pay for my dinner, but someone had beaten them to it. When I asked who he said the couple had already left, but that the man had mentioned he was a W.W.II vet and wanted to take care of the wife of one of our boys.

I turned to thank the soldiers for the cobbler, but they wouldn't hear a word of it, retorting, "Thank you, you said what we wanted to say, but weren't allowed."

As I drove home that night, for the first time in while, I didn't feel quite so alone. My heart was filled with the warmth of all the patrons who had stopped by my table to tell me they too were proud of my husband and that he would be in their prayers. I knew their flags would fly a little higher the next day. Perhaps they would look for tangible ways to show their pride in our country and our troops, and maybe, just maybe, the two ladies sitting at that table next to me would pause for a minute to appreciate all the freedom this great country offers and what it costs to maintain.

As for me, I had learned that one voice can make a difference. Maybe the next time protesters gather outside the gates of the base where I live, I will proudly stand across the street with a sign of my own. A sign that says "Thank you!"
_____

Lori Kimble is a 31 year old teacher and proud military wife. She is a California native currently living in Alabama.

It was insulting to sit there in that restaurant and hear those people applaud. I couldn't wait to get out of there.

I posted under the name "Mary the Anti-Fascist" as an experiment to see how long it would take before KOBE published a forged comment using that name, and there it is, above this one, in a matter of a couple of hours. Conclusion: KOBE is an obsessed stalker without a life. Personally, I hope something VERY bad happens to him.

How did you know that I'm an obsessed stalker?

www.kobehq.com

I am sure her husband only kills babies when the pResident says they have WMDs.

The story is very touching... although partisan and passionate, we're still human and can and should be able to connect with each other. The day we cease to empathize is the day we lose our collective humanity and the struggle turns into a blind, raging animal that will turn around and re-colonize us. The Army wife Lori Kimble did what we should ALL be doing: listening to each other.

We are all on the SAME side on this one: the cops, the protesters, the anarchists, the Army wife. Many of the friends I grew up with in my working-class neighborhood are police and military... they are also the same people the powers that be are turning against people of the world and the people of America. It's much more difficult and often heartbreaking, but as a popular movement we MUST ORGANIZE THE MILITARY AND THE POLICE as well. We MUST listen to what they have to say, understand and appreciate their (really our) views... and be willing to change our own views, as terrifying as it may sound. I did listen to the other side when I supported the first Iraqi war in which my friends had fought and sacrificed their health and sanity... and I realized that the American people - protesters, military, police, everyone - had been betrayed by undemocratic, war-mongering corporate interests.

Empathize with this: imagine having a dearly loved one over in some foreign country risking her/his life. You would want to think that they're fighting on the side of righteousness. And if you do think so, also consider all the deceit and betrayal of our other recent wars... they ALL seemed righteous at the time. And the government always said that they're going take care of our brave soldiers if they lose an arm or a leg or their sanity and face unemployment and alcoholism when they return. We're all on the SAME side - and we best start talkin' with each other before the war profiteers pit us against each other in the next round of wars.

This is a sad example of the brainwashed nature of many Americans. Her husband is not fighting for the right of protesters to say rotten things about the military. That right has been taken away many times. In World War 1 socialists and anarchists, including Eugene Debs, were sent to prison for being against the war. Instead, her husband is fighting for the right of large oil corporations to make more profit and for the right of the US military and economic empire to expand around the globe. Her husband is fighting for the right of American corporations to work children in sweatshops for starvation wages and for their right to pollute the environment without restriction, cause global warming and clear-cut the Earth's forests. All the while here at home, they are stealing wealth from education and health budgets to increase profits for Lockheed Martin, Boeing and other producers of military equipment. Also, they are trying to privatize Social Security and Medicare and all social programs, while they redistribute wealth upwards. All through history ruling classes have wanted only one thing and that is everything. Her husband is not fighting for the welfare of the people of this country or freedom. He is fighting for the Rockefellers, DuPonts, Morgans, Mellons and all the other great American capitalists, directly against the interests of the vast majority of Americans. This is the absolute epitome of stupidity! The wives ot German soldiers undoubtedly greatly admired their husbands too. That did not make what they did in World War 2 moral or just and did not excuse them of responsibility for it after the war.

Some piece of american white trash scum taking out trash in Iraq is doing anything but protecting my freedom. Military wives are brainwashed by their husbands who are brainwashed by Uncle Sam who beats the crap out of them when they disobey. Military wives are often lucky when they don't have to suffer physical abuse at the hands of their husbands who are trained to kill and main people without a second's thought.

This country should never be as divided as it is - people speaking their minds should not have to fear the over-reactive indulgences of the onlooker, or those who take everything personally, when American citizens are extremely hurt and fearful for their country. The best support our G.I.s can EVER have, is hope that they will not have to endure military action for long periods of time. NEVER, EVER, should we applaud sending them to be sacrificed for greed, power, oil, or other immoral reasons. If we send them to their deaths, let it be for noble purposes, as they are told. In this particular, war, they were lied to, you were lied to, I was lied to, and support for our G.I.s should not be in the form of scolding ANYONE for their right to freedom of speech, and especially, when it is in the best interests of our democracy. Learn your history, Lori. May God Bless you and your husband, but you need to take a look at the Vietnam war, or any other war before you were born. Those who do not learn from their history, are doomed to repeat it. No one is hurting you or your husband by expressing their own fears - support both your husband AND anyone else in this country who fears for our democracy -- don't divide us anymore than we are already. To believe that protest against war is mockery of our troops is downright ugly ignorance, we can't afford it. It is MORAL and PATRIOTIC to protest, and question the status quo - if you don't, you will be in more trouble than you think you are in now.
Peace and Good Will
Deborah

Madam,

I hope that if (fates forbid) your husband comes back maimed, or suddenly develops a 'mysterious'' medical condition, you do not suddenly find that the DoD, the Bu-shites and their corporate masters deny that a) anything is wrong, and that b) even if it is, then it's not their fault.

Unfortunately, that is what happened to thousands of military men and their families the *last* time US forces were sent to the Middle East to fight the good fight for Bush-buddies like Amoco, Exxon, etc.

Bush II has savagely cut the VA's funding and is seriously considering huge cuts in funding for schools serving military bases in the US.

Perhaps one day you'll realise that people like Bush don't give a flying one at the moon for you or your husband. To them, you are expendable and disposable. When you do realise that, I hope you'll buy a meal for those people you embarrassed yourself in front of.

This story brought a tear to my eye.

Oh, how the Pentagon goons must love this sentimental trash. So touching, so poingnant, so...real.
And it is important to be real today, as our god-blessed and embedded corporate media chants to us daily.

"Whilst eating steak I was forced to defend America! The red blood of force fed cows, the white faces that surround me, and the blue skies in which our survelliance sattelites roam were witness to my sacred duty that I delivered forthwith."

The above piece is pure Orwellian propaganda stuff straight from the Ministry of Information, a symptom of America's loosening psycho-death-grip on freedom, and for poor deformed wits such as Erics, powerful stuff. The stuff to die kill for...the stuff to die for. Horatio Alger stories are such pure American myths...too bad the other 6 billion people forced to live on the planet with the duct-tape minded Ms. Kimble and her husband, who anonymously laces Iraqui playgrounds with nuclear waste, don't get to enjoy the same myopia, amnesia, and non-accountability, not to mention daily protein intake, that she and her capitalist vampires espouse.

We will see the story of a couple married in the 1960's.
They were both for his deployment to Vietnam.
It was for Freedom and Liberation of the Vietnamese people.
When he came back, he could no longer live a "normal" life.
He had killed literally hundreds of people.
The world was different for him now.
The war was not for freedom, but for an anti-communist doctrine that was developed and packaged for the American people.
And they all bought it. Hook, line and sinker.
The soldiers wife couldnt take the alcoholism that overtook her husbands life.
He needed it to block the visions.

a divorce soon followed.
The ex-patriotic GI tried to get help for his illness,
but it seems that the people that were so outspoken about freedom and war had forgotten about the soldiers once the war was over.
There was no help to be provided for him.
He moved to a bridge on the LA river near downtown.
He has been homeless for 31 years now.
He sips his wine now and can only dream of what his life may have become if he had never seen the "horrors of combat"---that was once such a priority in the American dream.
No one cares for him, just as noone cares for the victims of the Gulf war syndrome.
He looks the the sky and laughs.
What a fool he has been taken for.
What a bunch of hypocrites the American public is.
It was one big lie.
and it keeps repeating.

I'm ready to sign up. Where do I enlist? I want to be stripped of my humanity and thoughts and awareness, just the same as you. I want to be absolved of the pangs of care and cause and emotion. I want to be brainwashed.

How much easier life must be for you. No inner voice, no conscience to steer you away from vile thought. Easy to embrace hatred as a way of life. Just to be able to take the trodden path, the simpliest choice. No need to search for the muses. No need to think. No need to choose between right and wrong, for after all, there's no such thing. It's all relative.

From Lori Kimble's perspective, we should all shut up and let Bush murder Iraqi children just to make sure we don't offend some bitch that can afford to eat in a steakhouse.

... Hallmark moment. It just needs to read with the chuckling voice of Barbara Walters to be perfect.

All emotion and cliche, predigested and packaged for immediate consumption.

Keep fingering, Lori. The little flag, that is.

Some of you need to get with reality. The military doesn't "brainwash" people, stripping them of "humanity and thoughts and awareness". That's pure tripe. Nor does it strip you of the ability to think. In fact, if you'd ever had any military experience you'd know that most military jobs require a high degree of attention to detail, an ability to solve problems quickly and a strong sense of situational awareness. These are the qualities the military spends most of its training time developing.

It doesn't matter to me whether the story that started this thread is true or not. It's a nice story and I leave it at that. What does matter to me is the blatant mischaracterization of military people as obedient dogs with no emotion, no ability to think independently and no concern for civilians. That simply isn't true.

Yes, pushing buttons that launch missles that slaughter innocents one never even sees is a very complex preocess for the brain and also is completely natural. same with launching napalm on villages. Or with opening fire on 11 year olds, or bulldozing injured and dead bodies into mass graves. All of these intellecturally demanding projects require a clear mind unfettered by dogma and 'orders from above.'

Ok, for starters, the accusation you're defending yourself from was actually leveled at us 'leftys'. Eric had decided that we are incapable of thinking for ourselves... i can't say i'm exactly sure why... i guess he thinks we're all sheep because we all say 'murder is bad... blowing up babies is bad', even as faux news tells us 'murder is patriotic and those babies would only grow up to be terrorists anyways'. How dare we not agree with the almighty fux news.

Secondly... damn you're rather defensive eh? Hehe. You know what you are "reality check". You know what the military does... Which leads me to my third point:

The military does two things. Kill people and break stuff. And everyone knows it. And now that the coldwar is over they're starting to feel like maybe they may need to go get a real job soon... and so we have conquests like what we're seeing today... not much more than welfare for gun nuts who would rather kill strangers than do something productive with their lives.

You're all disgusting. I used to have some degree of respect for the military. Those days are gone. They/you/whatever are completely outdated and unnecessary in the world today. Murderous bastards.

Defending my freedoms... please... defending you're ability to draw a fat paycheck for dropping overpriced artillery on 3rd world brown people... completely disgusting.

Reality Check = The Voice of Reason

Matt = FUBAR

"Reality Check = The Voice of Reason"
Unsubstantiated Allegation

"Matt = FUBAR"
Unsubstantiated Allegation

For more on logic at your level, try reading "Logic for Dummies."

We know you don't have much.
But this is your best shot? Shooting spitwads again.

" ... bulldozing injured and dead bodies into mass graves" ? Put your bong down and learn for once.

If you had any military experience you'd know how challenging it is and how wrong your comments are. Since you have none you speak of something about which you are completely ignorant.

The military IS a challenging and demanding environment where stupity and an inability to keep up are not tolerated. This is why you would never make it through boot camp, let alone your first promotion.

Go talk to the people in Panama lamebrain. You can lie all you want, and even believe those lies, but the truth has a way of surfacing even though the tangled detritus of your prevarications and rationalizations.

And no, I would never join a military that kills and imprisons innocents and helps in the oppression of hundreds of millions worldwide so you drive your bloated ass down to the Jerk in the Box in your SUV to get a ecoli burger.

Wake up, you moron. The military has been lying to you your whole life. Take your blinders off. Choose life and liberty over death and homicide. It is much more fulfilling.

Sometimes it is difficult to accept the brainwashing has taken place and then to creat ea real and psychologically healthy life. If that is the case than you need psychotherapy, something all soldiers returning from the slaughter of battle need. By repressing it, the rage you feel at murdering unarmed civilians so a few super-rich could get a whole lot richer will turn inward creating carcinomas and perhaps even allowing a fascist mindstate to engage...as your blind obediance to death and corrupt politicians gives you away.

Seek help, not death.

"... Eric had decided that we are incapable of thinking for ourselves... " Eric is right, you can't think for yourselves. You think in terms of what group you belong to, not as individuals. This is the root of 'class warfare'.

" You know what you are "reality check". You know what the military does... " Please enlighten me, Oh Great Swami. Tell me what I am.

"The military does two things. Kill people and break stuff. And everyone knows it. " ... That ranks in the top 10 dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say about the military. Only someone completely ignorant of the purpose and day to day reality of the military could make such a statement.

"You're all disgusting. I used to have some degree of respect for the military. Those days are gone. " ... Thats your right to feel hat way, however misguided. You seem to confuse political policy with the nature of individuals in the military. This is a common confusion on the left.

"...defending you're ability to draw a fat paycheck for dropping overpriced artillery on 3rd world brown people... completely disgusting." Once again you reveal your ignorance. Military people are NOT paid well.... nowhere near as well as their civilian counterparts. If you had bothered to actually research the facts you would have known this.

The picture you have in your head of the military and what military people are really like is deeply inaccurate and is, frankly, infantile in its undertsanding.

yeah fucking right.
That shit would never happen.
A whole crowd clapping?
What a crock of shit.
Nice propaganda.
ROFL

Am I at disneyland or in some dream?
Get real.
Propaganda.

""... Eric had decided that we are incapable of thinking
for ourselves... " Eric is right, you can't think for
yourselves. You think in terms of what group you
belong to, not as individuals. This is the root of 'class
warfare'. " - Funny, at least i was able to read,
understand, and comprehend the statement you were
replying to. You just saw that it was talking about
brainwashed idiots, assumed it was aimed at you,
glossed over the rest and replied instinctively. Thus
making you guilty of what you would accuse me of,
pack mentality. Also, it clearly brands you as an idiot,
incapable of thinking for yourself.

"" You know what you are "reality check". You know
what the military does... " Please enlighten me, Oh
Great Swami. Tell me what I am." - See the title of this
comment, dickface.

""The military does two things. Kill people and break
stuff. And everyone knows it. " ... That ranks in the top
10 dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say about
the military. Only someone completely ignorant of the
purpose and day to day reality of the military could
make such a statement. " Ok then, what does the
military EVER do if not kill people and break stuff? Oh
but what you meant is 'we have really great reasons
for killing those people and breaking their stuff, so its
ok'. You fucking murderous barbarian.

""You're all disgusting. I used to have some degree of
respect for the military. Those days are gone. " ...
Thats your right to feel hat way, however misguided.
You seem to confuse political policy with the nature of
individuals in the military. This is a common confusion
on the left." - Anyone who would enlist and serve in
today's military is either delusional, murderous, or an
idiot if they actually think they're protecting anything
other than some fat rich slob's 'right' to get richer off
the backs and blood of others. There is no honor in
today's military. None.

""...defending you're ability to draw a fat paycheck for
dropping overpriced artillery on 3rd world brown
people... completely disgusting." Once again you
reveal your ignorance. Military people are NOT paid
well.... nowhere near as well as their civilian
counterparts. If you had bothered to actually research
the facts you would have known this. " - Well lets see,
in america, if you go down to the water treatment plant,
sabotage it, then run amok in downtown areas
shooting anyone with a gun, a mustache, or a
suspicous look, you'd get arrested or shot, quickly. But
if you do it over seas for uncle sam against brown
people, hell not only will you not be arrested, they'll pay
you and send you to college. Sounds like a fat
paycheck to me. Not to mention little perks like the duty
free, discounted mac airflights (noisy but cheap), base
housing, healthcare, etc etc.... the perks go on and
on... and all you have to do is go murder a bunch of
people, or help other people with the murdering.
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

"The picture you have in your head of the military and
what military people are really like is deeply inaccurate
and is, frankly, infantile in its undertsanding." - It could
be argued that your average 5 yr old has a better
understanding of how to get along in the world than
bush, his regime and today's military. For starters, you
uhh, don't shoot people... you also dont bomb them...
you don't take their property, you share if you can, etc
etc... I'd say a well raised infant would make a MUCH
better leader than the idiots in power now. So i'll take
your statement as a complement.

Oh and tell me again how the military doesn't kill
people and break stuff. Please. ("Ohhhh well see
those big ass guns over there are actually for tilling
land really really quickly... tractors just aren't fast
enough... and those bombs are just a really effecient
way to fish... drop one in a lake and BAM all the fish
you could want")

hmm, i wonder which shill reality check actually is. My
guess would be eric... Maybe psymon coming out to
play again? Anyone else, any guesses?

Would somebody please help me take my head out of my ass?

I just read the article for the first time
What a fucking dumbass bitch.
self righteous bitch

all she cares about is her husband.
she doesnt give two fucks about whether innocent iraqis will die. what a fucking bitch.

look at what she said:

"Because my husband, whom I love dearly, is halfway across the world defending your right to say rotten things about him. You have the right to your opinion, and what you think is none of my business, but what you say in my hearing is and I will not sit by and listen to you run down my country, my president, my husband, and all these other fine men and women in here who put their lives on the line to give you the freedom to complain. Freedom is expensive ladies, don't let your actions cheapen it."

WAHT THE FUCK?
HER HUSBAND IS FIGHTING A WAR IN IRAQ.
WHAT THE FUCK DOES WAR IN IRAQ HAVE TO DO WITH DEFENDING OUR RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH?

"DONT LET YOUR ACTIONS CHEAPEN IT?"

BITCH! U FUCKING CHEAPEN THE AMERICAN FLAG BY FUCKING STICKING CHEAP FLAGS ON UR SUV. dont fucking talk about cheapening shit.

She doesnt fucking give a shit about 500,000 iraqi children who died because of sanctions.

dont fucking talk about sacrifice.

BITCH.

Seeing that what she said pissed of a bunch of radical militant leftists, she did the right thing. Anything she or anyone else can do to make radical militant leftists lives more miserable is a good thing. I've personally keyed cars and ice-picked tires of people with anti-US slogans or Nader or Gore stickers on their cars. Fuck 'em.

you must be a loser american redneck

i bet u have an american flag on ur car and one outside ur house.

loser

just know that ur troops are not defending freedom or nething.

they simply fighting a war in iraq.

so FUCK YOU redneck
you and your white supremacist buddies

a redneck or a loser radical militant freak?

i'll take redneck.

you fuckin loser radical militant freak

so FUCK YOU loser radical militant freak
you and your radical militant freak buddies

dont come round my neighborhood
stay in shankytown where you belong

bitch

fuck you and ur cheap cardboard houses.
ur houses are all made of cardboard
and after tornadoes

u all act surprised when u find out that ur house was destroyed
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dumbasses

ur roads are shit
they are made of cheap concrete
potholed
u would think america has money to build roads
but nooooooooo
ppl would rather spend it on shitty walmart american flags and guns and ammunition.

the american education system is also shit
(high schools and below that is )
a high school history test i took comprised of multiple choice!
can u believe americans use multiple choice questions to educate!!!!!!!!!!!!
u would think america would have moeny to spend educating their people
but noooooooooooooooooooooo.
guns guns guns instead.
somthing like 1/3 of americans dont have medical insurance.
u would think basic medical care is a birthright. but not with americans nooooooooooooo.
theyd rather spend their tax money on GUNS GUNS GUNS! oh yeah and an american flag too so that their neighbours wouldnt think that they weren't patriotic.

fuck off fuckin terrorist redneck fascist white supremacist

you think you silly rants are gonna stop me from keying cars of loser radical militants who voted for Nader and Gore?

you think your silly rants are gonna stop me from clubbing loser radical militants over the head with my steel reinforced baseball bat?

you think your silly rants and poking fun at rednecks and trailors being destroyed by tornadoes and walmart and the american flag and education and insurance are going to endear you to the working class?

you think at all??

Do I think that my rants will stop you from taking your shotgun (which you bought using money that could have instead gone into healthcare and education) and shooting me texas-style? NO!

in america everything is solved with guns and violence. american children are taught that violence is the only way to solve problems.

as for self defense. whereas one could learn a martial art and at the same time develop discipline, americans feel it is just easier to get a gun so they can satisfy their bloodthirstyness.

i mean americans hunt for SPORT for crying out loud!

not here buddy

let's take away all the guns
it'll be so much easier for the government to control us when we're overmatched and we cant fight back.

i've got healthcare and pay for my kids education. what the heck you talkin' 'bout?

you can have your karate shit, i dont want it. remember, free country and all? dont have to know karate if i dont wanna

ain't never hunted for fun. what i kill, i eat. leftovers of animal can be used for various needs. indians knowed that. dont you?

Matt... how old are you? Maybe 14? Your comment.... "See the title of this comment, dickface. " ... indicates an adolescent at work.

Then you went on with ... "You fucking murderous barbarian. " ... It's clear that you are out of touch with reality, matt.

The rest of your post is pure drivel and not worth responding to (unless you would prefer that I pick you apart).

Lastly, I don't know who "psymon" is. Never heard of him/her. I only started posting here a few days ago.

Like most leftists you turn to a venomous stream of name calling. It shows your out of ideas, matt. And you called ME defensive? You're one of the most paranoid people I've ever communicated with. Lucky for you you're not alone on this site.

"You're one of the most paranoid people I've ever communicated with."
obviously, you have never met me. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that people are not plotting against you. I call it being prepared versus being oblivious to reality. Do you leave your doors unlocked? Why is there a police dept?

Nice attitude.
What if it was your child playing soccer?
You have proven yourself to be truly
a right wing scumbag.

...Neil Boortz look warm and fuzzy. ROFL!!!!!!!!

Just kidding frescoid.

i just got me some aluminum siding for my trailer!

now, all the trailer park hoes want me!

Way to go! Whenever we liberals have nothing to say, we can always resort to making fun of the working class. Nice going!

I'm a CONSERVATIVE, you morons.

So what!! I'm a radical militant leftist claiming to be a Libertarian.

I am a radical militant Libertarian who enjoys picking on poor defenseless NeoCons.

one lame, blind and rather threadbare little flea.

Organize!
Organize!

Organize!
Organize!

What a shame that this thread has degenerated into an insult contest.

The lead article that started this thread is superb and deserves another reading. Let's get back to that and get away from the mudslinging.

If you want to read a really good example of brain dead reflexive support for a corrupt government the head article is exemplarary. Of course it is probably not genuine and was written as a PR Puff Piece but we can overlook that in using it as a bad example.

FAT CHECK?? please give me a break, you dumbass. military folks get next to nothing for risking life and limb to keep your ass safe.

they are gun fodder for corporate fat cats. They belong here if you want them to keep you safe. What are we going to do if we are invaded, call in the UN while our kids are 'over there' getting shot up for Exxon?

"What are we going to do if we are invaded"

Oh great!! Canada and Mexico are lining the borders again. Everyone get your straws and spitballs ready.

mommy said they were 30 min. from Texas. O!

All fucking pinkos must die!!!
Here's an idea, go get a job and stop sucking off the gov't teat, you dirty leftist leeches. Why should redneck spend HIS hard earned money on healthcare or education for others? If you want to support the world, you go right ahead because it's not the government's job.

OK, one more time for all the little commies. ALL FUCKING PINKOS MUST DIE!!!!!!!

a lot of e-mails i recieve that tell stories like this are made up. as a military wife i hope to the lord that this is true. i for one can not stand to listen to all of this negativity!! good for lori, for speaking her mind and hopefully opening those of others. and kudos for keeping your cool, i do not believe i would have been able to.

Hey 'accompli':
Huh? "trained to kill and main people without a second's thought."
You do mean MAIM don't ya? Interesting - I spent most of the the first Gulf war fixin' up the enemy. And I didn't even give it a second's thought. Where did you go through basic? Where was your 'A' school - you don't know - please do not make assumptions like that. You've been watching way too many movies.
Just my $ .02......

The Military! The Military is made up of Soldiers and those that lead the Soldiers. Ultimately, the job of the Soldier is to plug the gap in the line where the enemy is pouring through. If the Soldier is freighted and runs away, or if the Soldier is not properly trained or motivated, or if he is not properly equipped, or if he is not properly led – the enemy comes through and the gap widens. Once the gap is large enough – and all the soldiers have been overrun, the enemy has his way with the civil population.

Those of us who have been blessed to be Americans by birth – tend to take our freedoms for granted. In the year 2003, the cost of those freedoms has been lost in the details of the national debt and the national budget. But the true cost can be best visualized (if you like hard edged cinematic examples) in the first 30 minutes of the movie “Saving Private Ryan”. Those soldiers (The Military) had to get off that beach and move into certain death in order to secure a beachhead for the Great Invasion of D-Day, June 6, 1944. The officers who led those soldiers knew that it was unlikely that they would survive the day, but they knew that if they failed (well failure was not an option). They knew that they had to charge headlong into the maelstrom of machine gun and mortar fire. Each foot of beach was won by the death and sacrifice of “soldiers”.

Those of you who don’t get it yet –and still think that the military is of no value and of no worth and do not merit your respect for the job that they are sworn to do – in your name (you, a citizen of the USA)………….. You need to at least not insult those others of us who do appreciate and understand the meaning of the ranks and files of white grave markers (numbering in the tens of thousands) above the Normandy coastline. Each grave marks a hero, a Soldier, a member of the Military. Our freedom was bought and paid for with their blood – the Soldiers of today continue to keep up the interest payments.

The woman’s husband is a Soldier.

are you comparing a movie to actual warfare?
Are you that stupid......(dont answer that one).
Go a read the propaganda and wipe away a tear and SUPPORT THOSE TROOPS.
Of course till they come back and get sick, or cant get a job, or (fill in the blank).
Will you step forward to volunteer at the VA?
(thats the veterans administration)
Will you do anything to help the veterans after they come back......NO .... you will do what all other brainwashed americans do after wars....
YOU WILL FORGET.
YOU WONT HAVE THE TIME.
YOU WONT SUPPORT THE TROOPS THEN
fucking hypocrite.

?Our boys were sent off to die with beautiful ideals painted in front of them.
No one told them that dollars and cents were the real reason they were marching off to kill and die?
Gen. Smedly Butler 1934

"are you comparing a movie to actual warfare?
Are you that stupid......(dont answer that one).
Go a read the propaganda and wipe away a tear and SUPPORT THOSE TROOPS.
Of course till they come back and get sick, or cant get a job, or (fill in the blank).
Will you step forward to volunteer at the VA?
(thats the veterans administration)
Will you do anything to help the veterans after they come back......NO .... you will do what all other brainwashed americans do after wars....
YOU WILL FORGET.
YOU WONT HAVE THE TIME.
YOU WONT SUPPORT THE TROOPS THEN
fucking hypocrite."

Just because you flunked out of ROTC and fantasize about being a veteran (not a soldier mind you, but a veteran) doesn't give you an ounce of credibility.

I agree that vets should be WELL taken care of. But that starts while they're fighting. So stick to your crossburnings and trailerpark fatboy. This is something you know NOTHING about.

Here at Sunnyside Mental Health Hospital for the Ideologically Traumatized we allow certain patients to have Internet access. We did not realize Fresca has been having such a severe relapse and has been acting it out symbolically with your website. Ever since the US military lost Afghanistan and now, it seems, Iraq as well, Fresca has been in a deep state of morbid fascination with corporate and govt. corruption and lying. Unfortunately this particular psychopathology manifests itself with the patient protecting and defending these sultans of sleaze and their mercenary shock troops. Perhaps after her next round of CST the agression may become dormant.

But this may be a lost case. If so, please ignore this mentally wounded individual, for they too are victims, perhaps the saddest victims of all.

"Ever since the US military lost Afghanistan and now, it seems, Iraq as well"

Just one quetsion.

Have any koranimals died in Afganistan or Iraq as a result of our actions?

If you can answer yes, then we must call them both victories.

hundreds and maybe thousands of civilians died...is this what you would consider a victory?

Remember Fresca's mental instability.

Fresca: How often to you have these fantasies of mass slaughter? How often do you feel these viloent urges?
Can you count how many times you have them in one hour?

"Fresca: How often to you have these fantasies of mass slaughter?"

Oh, about any time I remeber 9-11, "palestinian" bombings, Bali bombings, etc., etc.

this is way beyond simple medication and/or therapy, as both of you may suspect. We must go in and remove a brain tumor.

Does it stand for Brother? Are you in the religious life? If so, then why are you advising on medical matters?

hey there dumb bitch
you know who you are
fascist fresca.
Toooo baaad you dont have a fucking clue.
Ever volunteer at a VA hospital.....?
NO of course not...
you are just a little mimicing voice of Fox news
and you will be the last person to admit defeat when we pull out of Iraq because the White house says that...
"the war now is just a quagmire"
Will you console the dead soldiers families?
Will you continue to SUPPORT THOSE TROOPS!!
No
Because deep down you need other peoples misery and pain to make your life seem worthwhile.
You are a fraud and a sick bitch.
may God have mercy on your soul.

Let the grayish vapor demons of Fresca's own soul destroy her...or, if she chooses health she can continue to read about the sanity that so far has been hidden from her but to which she is so close (that is why she comes to this site after all.)

"hey there dumb bitch
you know who you are
fascist fresca.
Toooo baaad you dont have a fucking clue.
"

Christ fatboy, you just keep getting dumber and dumber.

Is this really all you have?

I will tell you this though.
When it comes to supporting our troops, I'll continue to do it especially when they come back. And that WON'T include pretending I was one.

I know that you probably mean well when you strap on your surplus store fatigues and round up the kids at the trailer park for a session of "bootcamp", but that's not really being a soldier now is it?

"koranimals"

Yes, I'm an Islamophobe. I'm also a conservative. Surprise!

Fresca, along with several other right-wing "hecklers" working out of the same office, has been banned from the San Francisco Indy Media site. Time to follow suit?

lighten this earth's karmic burden.
reap what you so desperately wish to sow.

Computers N.L.A.,
23700 S. Western Ave,
Harbor City, CA 90710
310-530-9800
Fax: 310-530-9988
The name of the registered owner of Computers N.L.A. is Ned Lee Lyle.

Ned Lee Lyle lists his email address as ms-sarge@compnla.com.

Another individual at Computers N.L.A., Dave Young, lists his email address as sarge@compnla.com.

The tirade of trading insults via mess-age boards.
Notice how the little girl (fascist fresca) rants on and on about how she supports those troops.
I keep posting my email to find out where she wants to meet so I can skull-fuck her to death.
No luck.....
Its too bad that she is too scared to even serve any time in the military. A stupid loud mouth cunt.
Then she talks shit to a real combat veteran who is opposed to war. Does she support the troops.....NO.
Will she when they come back.....LAUGHABLE.
At least i can be proud of one thing in my life......

....that I'm not a scared little bitch who never had the balls to back up anything or stare into the face of danger and be willing to die for a belief.
Sorry excuse for an american.
ps
use the email
anytime.
ha H@ hA

If you ever talked to a woman like that in my presence, I'd bitch slap you down.

Blow me, you raghead queen.

"Notice how the little girl (fascist fresca) rants on and on about how she supports those troops.
I keep posting my email to find out where she wants to meet so I can skull-fuck her to death.
No luck.....
Its too bad that she is too scared to even serve any time in the military. A stupid loud mouth cunt.
Then she talks shit to a real combat veteran who is opposed to war. "



Ah, after a hard days work it's nice to come home and be treated to a gem like this. I love it when I get one of the fools all riled up. Especially one who is militantly stupid.

By the way, I have NEVER said anything to any combat veteran either for or against the war. I have stomped a few wannabes like yourself. Losers who thinks pretending to be a vet is going to lend credence to your anti-American racist claptrap.

As far as meeting you..I think I'll pass. It's much more fun to humiliate you from here.

She'll wack you with her strap on.

I'm an Islamophobe who thinks that all Muslims should be murdered, so what do I know? Not a whole hell of a lot!

bush approval rating 47%
disapproval rating 53%
stop the war.
ps
we traced the IP of Fresca and found out that HE is Daveman-simple simon
and has been posting under these names for quite some time.

You could'nt trace an IP if it was lined with weed.

Got a link for the poll?

you will hear from us soon.

...with anticipation.

you better get some new glasses.
we could be anyone.

I'm all scared now!

You frighten no one.

You are powerless.

Ha ha!

Don't you have a revolution to plan in your mom's basement?

I have changed my posting handle to "nonanarchist."

I will keep changing my name as long as I keep getting my ass handed to me in arguments.

HIT THOSE MORONS UP TO PAY THE 30 BILLION EXTRA TO REBUILD IRAQ.
WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OUT HERE, WE'LL RAID THER HOUSE.
AND SEND THE GHOSTS OF THE DEAD TO HAUNT THEM.
BRAINWASHED NEOCON SCUM

I'd like you to meet a friend of mine:

Mr. Handle...Ax Handle.

And I'D like you to meet a friend of MINE:

Mr. Shotgun...Mr. Sawed-Off Shotgun

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...the lights are off.

And you're silhouetted in the door.

You lose.

You're outed, shill.

You're outed, shill.

"fake KOBE SBM"

Gosh...you said it, so it must be true.

You're a freakin' idiot.

Everyone here knows that; even your alternate personalities.

you keep posting under other nics, and just wind up looking stupid.

This little 4th grade act of your is wearing thin.

But you do waht you gotta do...look like a complete moron, that is.

You're outed, shill.

I can do this all night.

I have lost touch with reality! I don't know who's real and who's not! Help me!

You're outed, shill.

Do you enjoy having conversations with yoursel? It sure seems like it!

Do you enjoy having conversations with yourself? It sure seems like it!

You're outed, shill.

You would know about having conversations with yourself, faker.

Whatever, you psycho. Nothing's real. We're all fake. Whatever gets you through the night, skippy.

You're outed, shill.

Some are more fake than others, it seems.

What color is the sky in your little world? In the REAL world, it's BLUE.

PSYCHO

You're outed, shill.

How would you know about the real world? A conservative must have told you about it.

I AM a conservative, you MORON. Your IQ is dropping by the second.

You're outed, shill.

Yeah, talking with a coward who fakes messages will take the IQ out of a guy.

"Yeah, talking with a coward who fakes messages will take the IQ out of a guy."

Really? This little exchange hasn't lowered my IQ one bit. There goes your theory!

MORON.

You're outed, shill.

No, yours hasn't lowered. Can't get lower than zero.

Actually, my IQ is 145. Next?

You're outed, shill.

Like I'm supposed to believe that, after all the other lies you've told?

Feel free to C&P "all the other lies" I've told.

You're outed, shill.

nonanarchist
by Scottie • Thursday August 28, 2003 07:27 PM



Actually, my IQ is 145. Next?

That is the truth. My IQ IS 145. Next?

You're outed, shill.

If you expect me to believe that you really ARE stupid.

Moron.

You're outed, shill.

Is that the total for all your personalities?

Psycho.

Just because YOU have multiple personalities doesn't mean EVERYONE has them.

SICKO.

You're outed, shill.

Nope, not me. You see, I only post under my own nic. You, however, use the nics of others'.

Coward.

Prove that I use other people's handles. Or just keep living in your little fantasy world where nothing is real.

PSYCHO.

You're outed, shill.

I don't have to prove obvious things, like the sky is blue, or that you use other people's handles.

Liar.

"Obvious things?" Oh YEAH, like that you're the world's biggest dumbass. STILL no proof that I use other people's handles.

MORON.

You're outed, shill.

You know, this could have been over a couple hours ago if you'd just admit the truth.

Stinkin' liar.

STILL no proof that I use other people's handles.

LIAR.

You're outed, shill.

You're calling me a liar?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Prove it.

You moron.

I'm still waiting for YOU to prove that I steal other people's handles.

REPROBATE.

We've heard it a thousand times... "Freedom is not free." As a teenager, freedom was to be able to stay out all night or go where we wanted to go. As an employee, freedom was to be able to do my job without someone watching over my shoulder. It wasn't until I joined the military and went to this land that you say we fight for oil and whims of the rich, that I learned what freedom truly is. I was patrolling through town after town with men, women, and children clinging to my uniform. I spoke, through an interpreter, to several of them. They told the interpreter that they were tortured and had children ripped from their arms and murdered in front of them for believing differently than their "leaders." No one would help them. No one cared about them, till we came to town; The United States military. Does freedom mean something to these people? You bet it does. When a person is forced into a situation where they are to be tortured or killed for their beliefs or opinions, you better believe that freedom is not free. Until you've walked in my shoes and seen the strewn body parts and pits of bodies caused by Saddam Hussein and his regime... Until you've had a mother cry uncontrollably because she wants you to find her child that was taken away... Until you've watched friends die defending the freedom of those that cannot defend themselves, your words about what we do will be hollow, without true conviction, and your opinions are only used to taunt others.

I have never killed anyone that wasn’t trying to kill me. They were trying to kill me because I was there to oppose their murdering rule over a defenseless population. I shed no tears for them. I simply move on to the next. I do so without reservation and with complete conviction in my heart that what I do is right. I know what freedom is. I know the reason that I go to war. It has nothing to do with oil, the rich, the bureaucrat, or an administration that may forget about me when I return. You stay home and enjoy your freedoms. That’s the way I would have it. Enjoy your life. Take time to watch the sunrise or walk along the beach or listen to the elderly talk about when they were young. Hold your child’s hand and run out in the rain. Vote to make things better. Just remember that you live in a country that will not allow others to kick in your door and drag you into the streets and beat you mercilessly because you believe differently than the government that provides you protection. Remember that you’re life would be very different if a military power were not present. Sleep well American… We will defend, whether you like it or not.

A truly miserable occupation.

"I was there to oppose their murdering rule over a defenseless population."
Wrong.
You were there for increased dividends and assured(?) markets.
And now you are part of the problem and I don't believe you are a grunt. Not from people I've heard from. Lots of grumbling going on despite a constant visual and verbal diet of Fox.
How much water YOU getting?
BRING THEM HOME NOW

Hats off to you quiet Proffessional. Whether you actually are a grunt or not is irrelevant. I've certainly read and heard and talked to enough family members of men and women over there that I have no reason to doubt you. Regardless. You make good points and certainly, with the exception of a few miserable shills and lemmings, the people of the country support you and fully understand why you are there.

Furthermore, as long as the islamic world keeps sending their savage minions to Iraq to ultimately get slaughtered, I would hope we would take advantage of the opportunity to oblige them.

THIS GUY IS SO FULL OF SHIT.
BUT YA NOTICE HOW FRESCA IS SO QUICK TO GET ALL TEARY EYED AND BELIEVE HIS LIES.
ONLY BELIEVE THINGS WHEN THEY SUPPORT YOU OWN CONVICTIONS AND POINTS OF VIEW.

YA THINK FREACA WILL GIVE ONE SHIT ABOUT THIS GUY AFTER HE IS OUT OF THE MILITARY?

HAS FRESCA SEEN MY SON --?
19 YEARS OLD LYING IN BED WITH HIS FOOT BLOWN OFF BY AN UNEXPLODED MUNITION.
CRYING AND TELLING ME WHAT A WASTE HIS LIFE IS.
TELLING ME THAT HE WAS A FOOL TO JOIN AND HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO.

WOULD THE CHEERLEADER "FRESCA" EVER GIVE SO MUCH AS TO JOIN UP TO FIGHT?

HE IS SOME RICH SNOT NOSED KID THAT DOSENT KNOW SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING.

EVER VOLUNTEER AT A V.A. HOSPITAL
(THEY COULD USE YOUR HELP)
OF COURSE NOT...
HE SITS DAY AFTER DAY AT HIS COMPUTER VOMITING THIS CRAP AND THATS ABOUT IT.

HE CANT GO VOLUNTEER BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE HIM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WARFARE.

GO TO ANY HOSPITAL AND VOLUNTEER
I FUCKING DARE YOU!!!!!

YOU WILL HAVE CHANGED YOUR VIEWS SO QUICKLY ABOUT THE NEED FOR WAR
WHEN YOU TALK TO THE REAL SOLDIERS IN THOSE BEDS.

SHAME!!!!!

Your son's name wouldn't be Skip, would it?