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Bush visit Protest photos

by Scott Galindez Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 2:59 AM

Thousands greeted bush with a protest in Los Angeles on Friday June 27th.

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thank you

by peacegirl Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 5:53 PM

Thank you so much for printing & pix! I looked EVERYWHERE for info on protest & found NOTHING! the government controlled media threw it down the memory hole! beauty full pix! now i wish i went! i was paranoid!

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Bush Admirer

by anti-moron Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 6:30 PM

That's right, Bush Admirer. ALL anti-war demonstrators are unwashed; ALL Asians are smart; ALL African Americans can run fast. Are there any simplistic generalizations that I left out?

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by Darlene J. Lolley Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 6:52 PM unlisted Simi Valley, CA

Great pics...Wish I was physically able to have joined the protest. I saw the pink slip on CNN but not much else - they didn't comment on how many thousands of protestors were there...just a brief glimpse of a few. There was more representation outside than at the campaign dinner that's for sure. I'm sorry I've ever listened to a Johnny Mathes song or a Dennis Miller joke. How can anyone with any intelligence at all be so blind or dumb not to realize how Bushweed. with the help of his Repulsive-cans, have destroyed our economy, our environment, our Social Security, Medicare, our constitution and have most assuredly destroyed the reputation of the U.S. around the world? In all my 78 years, I have never seen a worse president or such an out & out flagrant political party as this regime of Republicans. They are the worst! As for that Bush supporter's sour grape comments...I wish I could verbally give her the raspberries! Lolleymum

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by Carol Lido Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 7:38 PM

Well, I haven't laughed this much in a great happy long time. To see that PINK SLIP hanging off the balcony-what a delight. He is after all not just an employee but a PUBLIC SERVANT and so are the other turkeys in his cabal.

The way I see it is that the only ones who will be pro him now will be those big warbucks guys or the humvee owners...and even some of the more intelligent millionaires are turning against him. He isn't gonna have many friends left.

Looks like pitchforks and torches coming over the hill now. It's about time... One less weed in the garden...God is smiling! God has taken the hit for this idiots idiocy for far too long...

Thank you for this treasure.

The LidoShuffle

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Looney Left

by WB Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 9:45 PM

No worries ladies.

Darlene (78), should you still be breathing in the next few months and/or not lose your eyesight, and Carol, should you not be so stupid as to walk out in a street full of traffic, you're going to live to see the day when these whackos are paraded on "corporate" TV for mainstream America to see. Like yourselves, these people represent members of our society that turns people's stomachs. The time for the American people to be reminded in vivid color of exactly how looney you are is at hand.

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WB Thought Police

by baaah Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 10:05 PM

four legs good

two legs bad

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wonderful idea

by sheep Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 10:20 PM

we should all dress up in the most insane looking clothing and hats and make-up that we have and make up signs showing how bush is hitler and pictures of our vaginas and make references to how we live in a fascist state like nazi germany and parade in front of the cameras so we can show the world that we have substance and meaning and are serious. and they will take us seriously. you know they will. i would.

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by Robert Ballan Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 10:27 PM
New York

After watching the mainstream media stories, I still had no idea that the issue was impeachment.

Thank goodness for you and other independent reporters. You are the free press. That role is not trivial. Intelligent citizens have recognized the crucial role of unintimidated reporting since the founding of our nation.

Hooray for you. To hell with corporate controlled news.

And, by the way. The lying Worm should be impeached.

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by Elaine Barthel Sunday, Jun. 29, 2003 at 11:31 PM

Re: What to do if you encounter anti war demonstrators

Typical response from a right winger. You can't debate the issues, you just resort to name calling. Wake up! Bush is ruining this country.


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Elaine, get over it

by Bush Admirer Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 12:25 AM

Elaine - Right wingers are not ruining the country. Republicans are our only hope for cleaning up the mess that the Democrats have made over the past half century.

GW Bush is doing a great job. He's looking very good for two reasons: 1/ Great performance in office, and 2/Looks good when compared to his predecessor, the worst President in US history.


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Bush is "ruining this country?"

by McCarthy Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 1:53 AM

Haha, if anyone's ruining this country, it's dirty anarchists/communists.

Have fun raging against the machine, kids.

Let me guess: you're going to smash the state, but not before you scream "GIMME"?

Guess what, I stockpile weapons just to piss off maggots like you! I'm sure you Indymedia vermin would love to take my weapons away, but unfortunately you'll pry my gun from my cold, dead hands. If and when lunatics such as yourselves take over and destroy our governments, I'd respond by picking you off at distances of over 1,000 yards with a .50 caliber sniper rifle. ANARCHY!! HOORAY!

Good luck, kiddies! "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!"

(Insert vaguely Black Pantherish fist image here.)

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Big gun small dick

by Forces of Victory Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 2:05 AM

Get back into the Aryan Brotherhood compound you incestous twit. and you better protect yourself because we will be coming for you.

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Needed more Pro-Bush photos

by Kitty Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 3:13 AM

I appreciate your posting these photos so that everyone can see the event. However, while the photos give good coverage of the protestors--often with many shots of the same scene--there seems to be only one picture of thesupporters, which doesn't give me much of the flavor of what they were like. Maybe you could post a few more of the supporters?

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Dear WARmonger

by 1smile4u Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 7:51 AM

Yeah, like you people take baths.

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by Judy A. McGowne Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 4:20 PM

I love it! McCarthy thinks he's gonna keep his freedom and his guns cuz we have sooo much more free press and freedom of speach than we ever had before. Wake the hell up guy, since 9/11 we've lost more freedom than ever before and you can bet they will pry that gun from your cold dead fingers, but it won't be any right minded Bush hater that'll be doin they prying. It'll be the Bushies cuz they don't want you to have any freedom either, they want all the power and I mean all of it and they could care less about your support.

So you think just because some people were very creative in their protest they must be 'freaks'. Grow up and learn about the issues, stop throwin rhetoric and start dealin with the real world. I mean the world that now hates America and what has been done in our names. Do you like havin so much unemployment? Do you like havin the economy in the toilet? Listen to the words Bush is actually speaking, is he making any positve comments about how he's gonna make your life better? Gees, talk about stupid.

I didn't hear anyone say you don't have the right to bear arms, in fact our Constitution guarantees it so I think you should have as many as you need to feel comfortable. I even have a few, but I still think Bush should be impeached because he's a criminal and a liar. You'd know that if you ever bothered to read a foreign newspaper because our media is part of the big corporate whirlpool in the Bushies back pocket.

Raging at other citizens and verbally threatening them because their opinions differ from yours is just the mark of someone who would physically force others to your way. Do you think that kind of action has anything to do with freedom or democracy? Once you blow the world to hell, it's gone and everyone with it including you so I think it would be better if we let each person peacefully voice his or her opinion in his or her own way. I think that's what freedom and democracy really stand for.

Our dear president didn't even gain the White House legally so everything that has come after is just part of all the dirty politics we've let ourselves be bamboozled into. It's taken alot of years for these guys to get into these positions of power and they aren't gonna let go easily so if we want the neocons out, we better start gettin down to brass tacks and finding someone who can replace what we have now, not someone who will be just as evil with a different face.

I'm so glad to see so many people took the time to get out and protest against this criminal, I hope this is the start of an overwhelming voice at the polls next year. Ya see, McCarthy, that's where you'll find freedom and democracy, either people like yourself will turn out in great numbers to keep Bush in office or the other way round. In any case, 2008 will come eventually and he'll be gone anyway. You can't keep him forever, thank goodness.

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Liberal nonsense

by Bush Admirer Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 5:09 PM

Judy McGowne's post is filled with untruths and liberal nonsense.

A good example is this entirely erroneous quote: "Our dear president didn't even gain the White House legally.'

Of course he gained the White House legally. There was an attempt to hijack the election by Al Gore and his co-conspirators, the Florida State Supreme Court, to be known forever after as 'The Gore Court."

Fortunately the US Supreme Court stepped in and prevented those jerks from abusing their office and misconstruing the law.

Thanks to Justice Antonin Scalia, perhaps the greatest Supreme Court Justice of all time, for leading the court through that difficult time.

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by Sheepdog Monday, Jun. 30, 2003 at 5:19 PM

Yup BA, you sure know your stuff.


We depend upon you to demonstrate the mindset of the

'heads up the ass' Reich wing.

But don't let ME stop you.

I'm beginning to really believe that you're a creation of those evil cunning wizards at IMC to promote a platform to

point out the moronics of the enemy. Here's to your enlightened opinions. Yup.

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by javier Tuesday, Jul. 01, 2003 at 1:27 PM

"better a blowjob than a cocksucker." that is priceless! go team.

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educate yourself

by Lu Tuesday, Jul. 01, 2003 at 4:40 PM

Are you serious? Before your stupidity costs you (actually it probably has already) I beg you to not be so naive as to believe the hype broadcasted on your hypnotic tube. First of all, it has been admitted by Katherine Harris of Florida that the election was rigged upon the requests of the Bush dynasty. If you dont beleive me call her yourself. They not only hired a firm to prohibit thousands of blacks from voting (on the premise of crimes commited in the future) they also orchestrated the infamous chad incidents. Your future as well as your loved ones future depends on our ability to liberate our mind. Find the truth brother.

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Response to McCarthy

by Elaine Tuesday, Jul. 01, 2003 at 9:25 PM

There you go again, calling anyone who doesn't agree with you names. I was always taught that a democracy depends on an open dialogue that includes diverse voices and opinions—whether those voices are liberal or conservative. Your calling those who don't agree with you "maggots, vermine, lunatics," etc. proves my point that right-wingers resort to name calling rather than debating the facts.


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Herr Doktor

by Veto Power Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 1:47 PM

The US Supreme Court had no authority to get involved in the election process, period. Congress is designed to take care of things until the legally elected president can be determined. The Supreme Court used the excuse that 'we can't wait that long' to sieze control and thwart the Constitution. This has nothing to do with JFK or Nixon or democratic hijackings. It's manipulation and bullying on the part of the supreme court (not to mention all the free vacations Bush gave away to get republican thugs down to florida to start white collar riots at democratic offices and locations of recounts).

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D.K. I have been had

by DK Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 6:49 PM

Man I was ranting all over the web pages, flaming against the Ant- war protesters, calling them Un American.

Man I bought the bull, I bought the whole nine yards, the big wad. I made myself a fool. I believed there was a 911 Iraq connection, I believed Saddam was behind it, I believed Iraq had WMD, I believed he was dealing with Al-Queada, I believed George Bush.

I HAVE BEEN HAD, CONNED, AND AM NOW CALLED EGG FOOL YONG, egg all over my face, can barely look my friends in the face. Man I am such a fool, I believed in a Bullshiter!

My more knowledgable friends said DK no way, no way it went down that way.

I argued against them, called them flaming lefties and liberals.

Head up my asshole. I can see that now. Took a long time to get the head unstuck.

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There were only 3 supporters

by Anna Petrakis Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 7:17 PM

There were only 3 supporters and the Los Angeles Times provided us with a photo of them that happened to be twice the size of the Anti-Bush rally's Thousands...

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by Diane Blair Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 9:56 PM

I was there maybe 15 bushies were there for their chief of thiefs, 10,000 plus for truth and justice


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I'm a dreamer

by Jabril Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 11:04 PM

"But I'm not the only one "

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from france

by alice Thursday, Jul. 03, 2003 at 5:48 AM

sorry for my poor english, but we just create a new word about democracy in USA or in France (because it's often the same..) : "democrature". where is the freedom, when government use of manipulation to make thinking everybody in same way?!! for example :

but there is so many else!

Thursday, 15 May, 2003, 08:50 GMT 09:50 UK

Saving Private Lynch story 'flawed'

Private Lynch has lost her memory of her rescue

By John Kampfner


Read your comments here

Private Jessica Lynch became an icon of the war, and the story of her capture by the Iraqis and her rescue by US special forces became one of the great patriotic moments of the conflict.

But her story is one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived.

There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound

Dr Harith a-Houssona

Private Lynch, a 19-year-old army clerk from Palestine, West Virginia, was captured when her company took a wrong turning just outside Nasiriya and was ambushed.

Nine of her comrades were killed and Private Lynch was taken to the local hospital, which at the time was swarming with Fedayeen. Eight days later US special forces stormed the hospital, capturing the "dramatic" events on a night vision camera.

They were said to have come under fire from inside and outside the building, but they made it to Lynch and whisked her away by helicopter.

Dr a-Houssona found no bullet wounds

Reports claimed that she had stab and bullet wounds and that she had been slapped about on her hospital bed and interrogated.

But Iraqi doctors in Nasiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for the soldier in the midst of war. She was assigned the only specialist bed in the hospital and one of only two nurses on the floor.

"I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr Harith a-Houssona, who looked after her.

Jessica amnesia

"There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

Witnesses told us that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital.

Dr Uday was surprised by the manner of the rescue

"We were surprised. Why do this? There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital," said Dr Anmar Uday, who worked at the hospital.

"It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

There was one more twist. Two days before the snatch squad arrived, Harith had arranged to deliver Jessica to the Americans in an ambulance.

But as the ambulance, with Private Lynch inside, approached a checkpoint American troops opened fire, forcing it to flee back to the hospital. The Americans had almost killed their prize catch.

Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen

General Vincent Brooks

When footage of the rescue was released, General Vincent Brooks, US spokesman in Doha, said: "Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen, loyal to a creed that they know that they'll never leave a fallen comrade."

The American strategy was to ensure the right television footage by using embedded reporters and images from their own cameras, editing the film themselves.

The Pentagon had been influenced by Hollywood producers of reality TV and action movies, notably the man behind Black Hawk Down, Jerry Bruckheimer.

Bruckheimer advised the Pentagon on the primetime television series "Profiles from the Front Line", that followed US forces in Afghanistan in 2001. That approached was taken on and developed on the field of battle in Iraq.

As for Private Lynch, her status as cult hero is stronger than ever. Internet auction sites list Jessica Lynch items, from an oil painting with an opening bid of 0 to a "America Loves Jessica Lynch" fridge magnet.

But doctors now say she has no recollection of the whole episode and probably never will.

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Loves Bush

by Prescott Ashton III Thursday, Jul. 03, 2003 at 2:47 PM

oh ya, i love bush....but that ain't gonna make me shine on dubya. if he was my president i'd apologize for him too. the best thing about this, watching from afar, is those who want Bush are gonna get what they deserve.

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by D.K. Thursday, Jul. 03, 2003 at 7:34 PM

Fresca, it is all true, I made an idiot out of myself, I was slamming, name calling , labelling , trashing out the other posters.


I was like a full fledged practicing alcoholic, I was in complete Denial that I was being LIED TO, conned, I even supported the fucking tax break. I thought it would include me.

What you haven't asked me is how I got this way.

Like how did I get the Idea Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, tons of biological weapons, that Saddam was linked to Al Quida, like the Shieks and Saddam were going to selling to Osama, man I was conned.

You know a sixteen year old kid thinks I' m a Mental midget. I regurate everything American news tells me.

I am the laughing stock of a younger generation.

The Old Hooty Howly they call me. Egg Fool Yong.

Do you have any idea what it feels like to be me.

Ya, Like I need another Drink.

Now what . I get Zip I mean Zip in the tax break, there were no weapons of mass destruction, it was about oil, the country is broke, we are all in DEBT, MAJOR DEBT


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by Evil Doer Friday, Jul. 04, 2003 at 7:04 AM

Glad u see the light. U r right = we need to get rid of the SOB to lessen the damage. The damage already caused will take years (if ever) to undo. It took the us over a decade to recover from Reagonomics!

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by Evil Doer Friday, Jul. 04, 2003 at 7:11 AM

Thank you la.indymedia for showing this. I was out of town that day, and could find nothing on the corporate controlled media. I did hear on Pacifica radio from a Code Pink spokesperson about the banner and what happened and was happy to see the photos you posted. You really should have added a comment about the raid by the Secret Service and their support staff to let people know that the Code Pink meeting room was raided.

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a peek into the future

by icelos Friday, Jul. 04, 2003 at 10:31 PM

as the clock ticks, more of us humans will respond to the changes positively, but it is our duty as awakened citizens to alert those around us (which naturally seems to happen for most anyway)

and luckily, the brighter ones seem to let go of the anger at the same time, too.

us youngin's are going to bring in a better system, no worries. just got stay vigilant and focus our conciousnesses on the best.

anything less, would be uncivilized.

much music about the changes needing to made, too.

from eminem to the anticon crew to non phixion, the times are among us.

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Protesters look so dirty

by Protesters look so dirty Friday, Jul. 04, 2003 at 10:50 PM

Man, those protesters NEED to take baths or somethings, they just look so filthy, but what do you expect?

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Bush Admirer is right on!

by Bush Admirer is right on! Friday, Jul. 04, 2003 at 11:08 PM

Its been a while Bush Admirer but its nice to see you kept up the good fight, i really thought these guys would shut up by now, but they still look for ways to say this war was a failure.....oh well......

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by D.K. to see how I got this way look inside Friday, Jul. 04, 2003 at 11:37 PM

I played follow the leader. My ex and my kids are laughing. Can't believe I bought the bullshit the whole wad of Iraq has Missiles, we are going to hunt down Saddam, Osama Bullshit.

Now what the SOB has put up 25 million of my tax dollars, his buddies ain't paying taxes remember , I got Zip on that break, to go chase Saddam.

Three Months later, 65 billion tax dollars later and the SOB is telling me the guy is running wild and loose.

Come and get em he said. Ya , ten more soilders hit today. SOB , don't see him over there, SOB went AWOL, Man the kids are cracking up , "hey DAD' you a sucker, the guy took ya, the guy ran and hid on 911 ran like a bunny.

Ya fresca I am not laughing , tookj 4 years but I got my head outa of the asshole. Now everyone is calling me one.
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D.K.....same tired argument

by M. Target Tuesday, Jul. 08, 2003 at 4:00 PM

D.K , I take issue with this intellectually lazy sentiment: "... I bought the bullshit the whole wad of Iraq has Missiles..."

Number one, the U.N. UNANIMOUSLY agreed that Iraq had WMD's and were to face "serious consequences" if they did not disarm.

Not just Bush moron. Even your 12% unemployed FRENCHY friends signed on. The U.N. couldn't disarm them, so we did.

Furthermore, do you think Saddam and his rapist sons were surprised to see M1 Abrams tanks in Baghdad so quickly? He had plenty of time to sell, hide or move tons of weapons before we renamed Baghdad Int'l.. Hell, he got away with making a tractor-trailer withdrawl of cash from Iraq's central bank.

You still believe we could have "contained" him just by waiving some U.N. piece of paper at him? Get in touch with reality sir. The world is a dangerous place.

There are some tough decisions to make. Hey, I know it's hard for the squeamish, guilt ridden, bed-wetters like yourself to stomach life and death decisions. But, my friend, if we didn't make those tough choices in our young history, you might be speaking German today.

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You are wrong M.Target

by Phil Tuesday, Jul. 08, 2003 at 4:15 PM


You (along with the entire Bush administration) are the one who is being intellectually lazy. The U.N. agreed that if the U.N. decided that Iraq was in "material breach" then there would be "serious consequences" No one at the U.N. agreed that any country could unilaterally declare Iraq in breach and simply invade.

Now look at what is happening, we are slowly getting killed over significant help from any other nation except England.

Just as importantly, our leaders could care less about the Iraqi people and there will be no democracy, only a puppet regime to serve our interests. We have always been imperialists, but we have always had so much more class at the way we went about it until now. This sucks!

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The Carlye Group, Bin Ladens, Saudi and Bush

by Capt.Nuke Tuesday, Jul. 08, 2003 at 11:18 PM

The story the media neglected to tell. Opening two minutes in Dutch the rest in English as the interviews were conducted in the States.

Saddam was not the terrorist you dumb f!cks.

The Saudis are the exporters of terrorism but you can't touch them.

Find out what George Bush Senior was up to on day 911, and who he was with!!

Watch the Video.
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If you choose to be led off the cliff by Daddys Little Lemming....

by stop the slaughter Friday, Jul. 11, 2003 at 6:27 PM

.....then go ahead, jump.

To claim you are "American", AND to claim that you

support the anti-Constitutional Bush Administration, is a contradiction within itself.

The proof is in Un-erasable History, in the (un)Patriot Acts, the War, the Murders, the Taxes, the Rigged Elections, & Bush's numerous proven lies etc.

Bush's terrorism, and all the contributing countries, companies and beneficiaries, are committing UnPatriotic, UnAmerican, UnCivil Acts of MURDER.....& THEY WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE CRIMES.

If you choose to support this greedy, contradicting, lying New U.S. Corporate Regime, at least admit the real reason you are supporting the Bush Holocaust =









Pure Hate for humanity & the planet?

"Free trade" (for America & other greedy countries) at the price of innocent lives?

Because of 911, caused by Bush's business partner, Bin Laden?

Because Saddam said "No" when America tried to overcharge Iraq for the oil pipeline?

Or are you just an easily brainwashed T.V. baby who didn't do your Government & History homework in school?

I pray for you to know the truth, and the truth will set you free. Otherwise, go jump....

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And now a word from Middle America

by Came Here By Mistake Wednesday, Jul. 23, 2003 at 12:22 AM

Not too infrequently one of us "infidels" from the mainstream stumbles upon a site like this. It happens more often than you think because we almost never leave a post. This is the exception.

I came here by mistake (as most of us from the mainstream do). I typed in a search word into Google and accepted a link that wasn't what I thought it was and it led me here. Rather than scramble back to the safety of my mainstream search engine I became curious and began to read some of the posts. Eventually curiosity gave way to fear (afterall, I'm from the mainstream I fear extreme views) and I prepared to run away. This time, however, I decided to leave my mark before I left.

To those of you that are thinking "we are not extremist we are just trying to save the world". I reply that anyone that thinks the LA Times has a conservative viewpoint is an extremist - at least to those of us from the middle of the road.

I voted for Bush, but it turns out that it doesn't matter anyway because in the closest election this country will ever have there is controversy over several thousand votes. So what difference can one vote make? I am going to stick to local schoolboard elections where at least there is some hope my vote will make a difference.

It boggles the mind that the same group of people that say Bush is a nitwit also claim that he tricked an entire country into going to war with a clever scheme he cooked up. C'mon even Clinton couldn't get his dick sucked without being caught. How is a doofus going to convince us to go to war based on some lies he conjoured?

Before I begin to sound too much like Bush Admirer (too late?) I would like to ask: what good does all of this name calling do? Why not find out what the two sides have in coming and than begin some thoughtful discussion on where we are, where we want to be, and how do we get there. But alas I am being overly optimistic. Those of us from Middle America often see the world as all too simple a place.

I cry a little everyday when I read about the soldiers that are being killed in Iraq, and I begin to wonder why did we go there. Then I think about the mass graves and the people who were tortured and I am put at ease with the thought that we made the world a little bit better place.

For those of you from Europe who don't understand Americans no matter where they fall in the political spectrum I have this to say: don't waste your time condemning us - we don't care what you think, don't try to understand us - you have to be an American to understand our views. Go to sleep peacefully tonight knowing that the next time you are getting your asses kicked we will still come and save you.

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Oh the guilt!!!

by IMC Admirer Wednesday, Jul. 23, 2003 at 12:34 AM

Don't worry, Mr. 'I voted for Bush' anyone can be fooled

into voting for a failed coke snorting moron. We wont cry

for the guilt of having driven you from these pages.

No one would wish to challange your belief systems and cause you to think for yourself. We really hope you didn't get hurt here by radical ideas, so maybe some nice TV will make everything ok.

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counter post from "middle america"

by John Guise Thursday, Jul. 24, 2003 at 7:37 PM

Dear Middle America,

Outrage at the direction the country is taking is not confined to the West Coast. To argue against the most common responce, "If you don't like America, leave," I would say that we love America too much to abandon it. Our Founding Fathers would expect nothing less.

As for feeling warm and fuzzy through your tears shed for the dead soldiers in Iraq, I say to you this: Our military is not the world police force. They were never meant for this. US troops belong on US soil, patroling our borders and keeping American citizens safe. American troops have no business in Iraq. Heck, as it turns out, they were sent there illegally, at least according to the Constitution. Congress legislated US troop involvement only if Iraq was in violation of UN Resolution 1441; the lack of any functional WMD found in Iraq points to absolute Executive power in directing the military. By supersceding Congress, Bush has committed treason.

The troops should be pulled out, and Bush should be issued his walking papers (in the very least). Those who hold these views aren't radicals; they're politically aware. And, speaking from a resident of Minneapolis, we're all around you.


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Zyprexia a.k.a. Middle America, a.k.a. I voted for Bush

by JP Saturday, Jul. 26, 2003 at 12:36 AM

Well, it's nice to know that we in the midwest know the difference between name calling and an intelligent discussion.

Now, lets discuss the difference between fact and fiction: the congressional authorization for the use of force in Iraq was passed October 2nd and authorized the use of force against Iraq to enforce all prior UN resolutions. UN resolution 1441 which added more legitimacy to the use of force came in November 2002. I never said I was ignorant - just not a radical; and you are not as politically aware as you claim.

As to the committment of US troops in a foreign country: I am truly saddened every time one of them is killed or injured, but I believe in something called responsibility. I agree that we shouldn't be the policeman of the world, but we should encourage the world to stand up against tyranny and opression. If the whole world was truly outraged whenever thousands were oppressed by a tyrannical government then the world would be a step closer to this Utopia you dream about.

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by Misguided Tuesday, Jul. 29, 2003 at 12:23 PM

Zyprexia , I don't think you are a fool, nor do I wish to insult you. However, you guys (sorry, I'm English, but this applies to a large minority in the UK) have been duped.

Why do you think that Bush and Blair kept making reference to 11th September and Hussain in the same speeches? Do you really think these are "our kind of guys", "average Joes" whose utterances may involve the odd slip? In case you hadn't realised, every thing that either one says is carefully calculated. Thus, every time Iraq and 11th Sept were mentioned together was conscious attempt to make the U.S. (and to a lesser extent, UK) public think there was a link; as we know there was none. However, the tactic seemed to work, with numerous U.S. opinion polls showed that not only did U.S. citizens think Iraq was involved, but that some of the hijackers were actually Iraqi (of course, none were).

For those of us who are a little less easily duped, Bush and Blair used lies to attempt to convince us that Iraq had attempted to buy nuclear materials from Niger, that Iraq had the capability to launch an attack in 45 minutes. Now, both governments have admitted that these were not true, and Blair said that "history will forgive us" (the Oxford English Dictionary defined "forgiveness" as occurring when someone has done wrong - Blair has as a consequence admitted guilt). Of course, there is the overriding issue of WMD - you watch references of WMD drop out of Bush's speeches, and the industrial news channels.

My position is that if serious WMD are found, I will admit that I was wrong about the war - will you admit that you are wrong if nothing is found?

There is certainly some radicalism to what posters on this site say - do you not think that Jefferson and friends were not radical revolutionaries? That's is a very strange position to hold if you believe that.

What these people are upset about is that they recognise that government is the only domain on earth where one set of people make ultimately completely binding decisions on behalf of others. To do this, they need consent based on trust. If they abuse this, they abuse very spirit that manifested itself when the Founding Fathers fought and died for the American Revolution. Manipulation on this level, at the expense of thousands of innocent lives for (if now WMD are found) oil and strategic gain is a crime against the constitutional spirit of the U.S.A. (I’ll stop before I go into the corporate domination of American politics)

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Oh, go on then

by Lee Tuesday, Jul. 29, 2003 at 12:30 PM

As far as outrage at tyrannical governments is concerned, I take it that you are outraged at the U.S. government's previous support for and supply of weapons to Saddam? I take it you are outraged at the numerous dictatorships that U.S. governments have installed at the behest of fruit companies, mining companies and oil companies (Chile, Argentina, Panama, Nicaragua etc)? I also trust that you are busy lobbying Bush et al to invade Burma at the moment?

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~ response to Lee

by Zyprexa Tuesday, Jul. 29, 2003 at 4:17 PM

I don't think any intelligent thinking person believes we went to war with Iraq because they were directly involved in 9/11 nor do I think that anyone in that same group was convinced of the need for war by these words: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

I am not bothered by the opion polls because those same people that think Iraqi's were responsible for 9/11 also think New Mexico is a country.

If no WMD's are ever found I will admit that our justification was flawed but nevertheless a people were liberated and that alone was worth the effort.

Having a radical viewpoint that you can defend based on reality is one thing, but creating a reality in order to uphold a radical viewpoint is whole different kettle of fish (I am talking about the people that think the US government destroyed the towers).

I am outraged at any goverment that supports an oppressive regime, and I do believe our global responsibility extends to the people of Burma, the Congo, Liberia, et al. But it is a global responsibilty and not just the responsibility of the US and the UK.

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I keep hearing this

by reader Tuesday, Jul. 29, 2003 at 5:50 PM

I think that the residents of Iraqi would rather have had the CIA
stay the hell out of their affairs so as not having had the nessecity
to have been liberated from one bastard ( which was installed by the Criminal Intelligence Agency) to be replaced by a foreign occupational army after their social infrastructure was shot up.
Pray that we never have ourselves liberated in the same
way from our own bastards in power.
Are you aware of the history of Iraq and reasons they are now not as grateful as Fox News would have us believe?

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Reader, still fighting the Cold War?

by Josef Tuesday, Jul. 29, 2003 at 11:16 PM

Get over it. Your side lost, it's all done and dusted. Now, we are free to use our power to make the woarld a better place and Iraq has been a good place to start.

Now that your hero Saddam is out of the way we can also proceed with a settlement of the Israel/Palestinian question. President Bush has the vision to create an entirely free and democratic Middle East. That way, we'll have no more war, more trade and no more Saddams, Kims, Stalins.

You'd hate that though, these strong men make you swoon, don't they?

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by reader Wednesday, Jul. 30, 2003 at 1:17 AM

I would like to see your comunity water filled with sewage to drink
I would like to see your arms blown off and tell you to "get over it"
I would like to see your family j-damed and tell you to "get over it"
no wait- I'm not you-my god forgive you instead.

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Mother's Advocate

by Brenda A. Durant Saturday, Jul. 03, 2004 at 5:44 AM

The events of 911 does not compair to what Bush and his corporate buddies have done to our rights, liberties, and health. My mother is a victim of the favors that Bush has done for the pharmaceutical industry. His favors started while he fraudulently and frivolously served citizens as Governor of Texas. After accepting large political contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, Bush endorced and promoted the TMAPS Plan (now part of what he calls Freedom Initiative). The plan practically mandates the use of atypical antipsychotic drugs in prisons, nursing homes, child residential facilities, and even MMHR. The atypicals cost from 3000 to 9000 dollars a yr. per patient vs older drugs 300 doallars a yr. per patient, are no more affective than older antipsychotics, and were noted as potentially dangerous to elderly and children. Since then many elderly and children have died from these drugs. Texas officials were paid, wined, and dined to promote the plan to other states. Twelve of those states adopted the plan. Medicare is going broke and cutting much needed services and treatments, while this fraud and abuse is being spread. The media is owned by the pharmaceutical companies, but some reporters have picked up parts of these atrocities. Allen Jones a PA. O.I.G. investigator who reported on the TMAPS plan was told that he could not report his findings because the pharmaceutical companies write big checks to both parties. A congressman said that pharmaceuticals don't need to lobby because the industry representatives now occupy the White House. Anyone who knows the history of FDA appointees under Bush, knows why dangerous drugs are being released to harm and kill. It doesn't take much research to see other areas like oil, insurance, and other health care special interests are covered by Bush at the expense of all of us and our future generations.

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by DJEB Wednesday, Mar. 23, 2016 at 5:31 PM

Just feeling nostalgia for the immense idiocy that was "Bush Admirer." You can bet your life he is all for Drumpf these days.

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