on van romero's unconvincing recantation here's the classic flaherty/israel critique:

>>>BATTLE: AN EXPERT RECANTS ON WHY WTC TOWERS COLLAPSED
By John Flaherty and Jared Israel

[Originally posted 14 September 2001 under the title, "'Explosives Planted In Towers,' New Mexico Tech Expert Says. Updated 26 December 2001 Revised 26 August 2002]

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Emperor's Clothes has not commented on the debate over the collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Some argue that the towers were brought down by explosives. Others (including defenders of the official story on 9-11) insist that the towers collapsed because fire weakened the steel support structure.

On September 14th we did post an interesting article from the Albuquerque Journal concerning the WTC towers.

It is based on an interview with Van Romero, the director of research at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.

According to the article, Mr. Romero:

'studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.'

His Institute:

'assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects.'

The Institute is funded, at least in part, by grants from the Pentagon.

Van Romero reported that he had studied the videos of the WTC collapse and concluded that the towers were most likely destroyed by carefully placed demolition charges. He told the 'Journal':

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that."

FROM EXPERT OPINION TO 'SUPPORT' STATEMENT

We posted the Journal story with a link to its Web address. But when you go that address, you don't see the original story. You see a rebuttal, entitled, "Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says."

It's a rebuttal to the original story. Unless you read almost to end of the rebuttal, you won't see that the original story is posted below it. Very odd.

Here's the address:
http://www.abqjournal.com/aqvan09-11-01.htm

The original article and the rebuttal have a very different 'feel.'

Reading the original article, it is clear that Romero is motivated by a desire to understand what happened. This is not surprising; after all he studies how buildings collapse. He isn't thinking about political implications; he's thinking about science. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He explains himself clearly and he is quoted frequently.

In the retraction, Romero is only quoted twice. Instead of letting the man speak for himself, the reporter keeps repeating the official explanation of why the WTC buildings collapsed, informing us that Romero accepts it.

And regarding that word, "supports," doesn't it suggest a political rather than a scientific act? Consider:

"Romero [now] *supports* other experts, who have said the intense heat of the jet fuel fires weakened the skyscrapers' steel structural beams to the point that they gave way under the weight of the floors above.

Why didn't the Journal let this researcher, who "assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks," explain for himself what new information caused him to change his expert opinion?

What did he learn between 9-11 and 9-21, the date of the retraction, from "conversations with structural engineers"?

How could someone who has spent years researching "explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures" not know about the steel beams in the WTC?

Or has Mr. Romero confined his research to older buildings, i.e., those constructed prior to 1972? Before agreeing to do forensic work on a building blown up by terrorists, does he ask, "When was it built?" And if the answer is, "After 1972," does he turn down the investigation?

In the retraction, Romero is quoted twice:

The first quote is short: "Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail."

"Certainly"?!

Why would an experimental scientist, commenting on anyone's previous conclusion - in this case, his own - demean the original assessment as "certainly" wrong?

Wouldn't that mean Romero "certainly" assessed this most important terrorist attack without first getting the facts? Doesn't that make Romero a sloppy scientist?

How humiliating for a man who acts as an expert witness in courts of law.

And consider the second quote:

Second quote: "Romero said he has been bombarded with electronic mail from the conspiracy theorists. 'I'm very upset about that,' he said. 'I'm not trying to say anything did or didn't happen.'" [End quote]

Note that the Journal dismisses those who doubt the official story as "conspiracy theorists." This newspaper has become a public relations service for Washington. And note the suggestion of desperation in Romero's comment that, "I'm not trying to say anything did or didn't happen.'"

He's not?

But in the original piece, he was quoted saying the WTC most likely collapsed due to demolition charges. And in the retraction he is quoted saying he "certainly" was wrong.

Moreover, isn;t deciding whether "anything did or didn't happen" the goal of all of Romero's research. He "studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures" in order to determine what "did or didn't happen."

It seems that in both quotes Van Romero negates himself, first as incompetent, then as irrelevant. Or perhaps his second comment, that "I'm not trying to say anything did or didn't happen," may be seen in a different light. We shall return to that.

Why did Mr. Romero recant? Consider the following paragraph from the original story:

"Romero said he and another Tech administrator were on a Washington-area subway when an airplane struck the Pentagon. He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech. [New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, where Romero is Vice President for research.]"

Here is our hypothesis.

Romero gave the original interview right after the WTC attacks. He said what he thought, unaware he was stepping on a land mine.

But the powers-that-be were aware.

The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement. But perhaps expressing his exasperation with this pressure, he added, "I'm not trying to say anything about what did or did not happen." In this way, perhaps, he refused to recant entirely.

If our hypothesis is right, it illustrates three features of the new American Empire.

First: it has great wealth, which it wields shamelessly. (And often to ludicrous effect. Consider the hyperbole with which the Bush administration praised Pakistan for 'cooperating' in crushing the Taliban, which is, by the way, the collective child of the covert services of Pakistan, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. And consider how - immediately afterwards! - the Bush administration announced that Pakistan would receive millions of dollars in aid and cancellation of debt.)

So the first fact about the U.S. empire is: it pays for virtue.

Second: from the virtuous it demands servility. If the virtuous should err, so must the virtuous grovel. Otherwise, no cash.

Third: despite all its weapons and money, the U.S. Empire still has difficulty getting human beings to grovel. Thus, it may have been in order to hold onto some integrity that Van Romero said, "I'm not trying to say anything about what did or did not happen." The man relies on the Pentagon for funding; yet perhaps the man resists.

In an email to Emperor's clothes, Joan T., a reader, wrote: "What good is money without freedom?"

What good indeed.

- John Flaherty and Jared Israel >>>

***

>>>And then there’s the strange story of WTC 7.
Building 7 reportedly collapsed at 5:25pm on Sept.11.

"A preliminary engineering study indicated that flaming debris from the Twin Towers fell on the building and ignited diesel fuel stored by the city’s emergency office, causing a fire so hot it brought down the structure."

Really?

The hard evidence provided for this official explanation is, as usual for 911, zero.

But now I’d like to focus on another interesting detail in the above story.

That "diesel fuel" was stored in WTC 7 by the city’s emergency office.

That is by you rudy: the mayor of New York and thus ultimately responsible for the city’s emergency office before 911.

Can you just explain in any way why on earth you’d stored such a huge quantity of diesel fuel in WTC 7 that the building burned so hot from 8:46am until its collapse at 5:25pm - for almost 9 hours?

What the hell was all that diesel just doing under WTC 7? An accident waiting to happen. The city’s emergency office setting the stage for maximizing the damage of an emergency instead of preventing it.

Moreover it was an OFFICE, not a firefighters’ engine house. So what was that sea of diesel doing under WTC 7 on 911, rudy?

Could it be you’d planted it there, just like the bombs in the WTC, to maximize the horror of a state-terror attack (911) meant to provide mass consensus for terrorist wars & the destruction of democracy in America?

Again: why all that diesel under WTC 7? A firefighter told me that not even in their engine houses do they store so much diesel (they store just enough to get going every day) out of obvious safety concerns. Not to mention building codes.

The criminality of the installation of those diesel tanks is claimed also (and thus confirmed) in a lawsuit filed by Consolidated Edison Co. and five of its insurers against the Port Authority of New York over the latter’s "NEGLIGENCE IN MONITORING DIESEL FUEL TANKS IN THE BUILDING" [my caps].

That’s because Port Authority was the owner of WTC 7.

The multiple diesel fuel tanks were reportedly "installed in 1999 to provide power to the city’s emergency command bunker on the building’s 23rd floor."

Now, even leaving aside, rudy, the absurdity of your placing the city’s emergency command next to the most likely (since 1993) terrorist target in America (the WTC): aren’t there any other systems to provide emergency power? Safer ones that don’t use hazardous diesel fuel? How about battery-powered generators for instance?

But even if there were no alternatives to diesel for emergency power: why such an enormous quantity? Enough to set up a 47-story skyscraper ablaze for 9 hours, firefighters’ efforts notwithstanding?

And: even if such a huge diesel stash really had been needed, again. WHAT’S THE WISDOM OF PLACING NEW YORK’S EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER DOWNTOWN NEXT TO THE LIKELIEST TERRORIST TARGET ON THE PLANET?

RUDOLPH GIULIANI: TESTIFY UNDER OATH AND ON LIVE, PRIME-TIME CNN RIGHT NOW AS TO PRECISELY WHY YOU’D STORED SO MUCH DIESEL UNDER WTC 7 THAT THE MASSIVE, 47-STORY OFFICE TOWER BURNED RED-HOT FOR 9 HOURS!!!

Reportedly, "the office tower, which stood across Vesey Street just north of the WTC, housed FORMER MAYOR GIULIANI’S EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING OFFICES FOR THE SECRET SERVICE" [my caps].

Interestingly, WTC 7 "ALSO HOUSED A SECRET CIA STATION, BELIEVED TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT CIA DOMESTIC STATION OUTSIDE WASHINGTON."

Aha. Did you store the fuel there for the 911 TV-show in complicity with the secret service and the CIA, rudy?

If I am not mistaken, the secret service is the security detail for Bush, so that’s an interesting link to be investigated right there.

And the CIA is under the National Security Council which is under the president. Therefore since it is logical to assume the CIA knew about the WTC diesel, then the NSC & the president must have known about it too.

Further: "the diesel fuel that investigators believe may have fed the fire WAS STORED IN LARGE TANKS NEAR GROUND LEVEL and in smaller tanks and emergency generators for the command center, the secret service and other tenants" [caps mine].

Just what you & these other funny WTC 7 tenants were doing there playing with fire escapes not only common practice, codes & common sense; it is the exact contrary of the purpose of an emergency command center, which is to prevent and respond to catastrophes not to cause them.

So at the very least you, rudy, & those other idiots were criminally incompetent (best-case but unlikely scenario). Or you are a bunch of state-terrorists & co-conspirators in 911 (likely).

The smaller tanks may be understandable but not the "large tanks".

Those large tanks surprised & baffled even one of the building’s original structural engineers, Irwin Cantor, who "said he did not think the diesel fuel tanks were included in the building’s original design."

" ‘It ended up with tenants who had diesels’, Cantor told The Times, ‘I know none of that was planned at the beginning."

"Consolidated Edison […] accused the Port Authority [owner of WTC 7] of FAILING TO APPLY, INTERPRET AND ENFORCE SAFE ENGINEERING PRACTICES AND STANDARDS COMMONLY USED FOR HIGH-RISE OFFICE BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE STATE."

"The Port Authority also DID NOT PROPERLY APPLY, INTERPRET AND ENFORCE NEW YORK CITY AND STATE FIRE SAFETY RULES AND REGULATIONS" [my caps].

To sum it all up so far:

what did you, rudy, with the secret service, the CIA, & those unnamed other WTC 7 tenants need all that hazardous diesel irresponsibly stored in large tanks under the building for?

It’s high time you & bush came up with a clear & public answer.

what didn't cause the towers to fall

>>>Now, let’s refocus a bit. Why did the Twin Towers fall? Can we still hope the truth will ever come out after giuliani sold the evidence for scrap?

Well, 911 was definitely not the perfect crime. The real masterminds/performers of 911 have left so many breadcrumbs on their trail that we shouldn’t lose hope of tracking them down some day.

Reportedly, quite a bit of the WTC structural steel survived your anxious, frenetic leave-no-trace policy, rudy.

Over 100 beams and other samples were sent to a lab at Gaithersburg, Md, to be studied by engineers. Unfortunately, only govt.-appointed engineers so far. Let’s hope the public will eventually understand the imperative need of sending independent experts to Gaithersburg, Md.

So see: although you scrapped 100,000 tons of WTC steel and shipped it "to steel mills, mostly overseas, to be recycled"; and although most of that WTC steel has now turned into refrigerators & cars, you didn’t manage to sell the whole truth for scrap rudy. It’s likely though that the bits and pieces you & the court engineers sent to Maryland were carefully selected among the innocuous, insignificant ones. But one can still hope you made a mistake.

Over 100 beams & samples at Gaithersburg. Not much, but much better than nothing. Let us do something about it before the bush/rudy thugs "disappear" even this last precious trove.

The Gaithersburg bits & pieces didn’t save you from the outrage of "many victims’ families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly [before shipping it]", rudy.

And now let’s turn to the (declaredly provisory) results of the first govt-appointed investigation of why the Towers fell.

This "investigation" was "commissioned by the federal emergency management agency and the American Society of Civil Engineers", and its results were released at the end of April but had already been leaked to the press by the end of March 2002.

Why did the Towers fall, according to the govt.’s appointees?

They confirmed that it wasn’t the impact of the planes, thus corroborating Patrick Di Justo’s early math.

They said it was the fires ignited by the burning jet fuel.

Yet "a significant portion" of the fuel burned off upon impact.

But the remaining fuel allegedly ignited the buildings & raised the temperature to 1,100 C (2,000 F).

Evidence for this temp assessment: zero.

Lack of efficient fire proofing on the structural steel allegedly accelerated its buckling/melting/giving way.

Evidence for this: scant to none.

Let us patiently sum up thus far.

The official, governmental investigative team of engineers "concluded that [the WTC] […] collapsed because the impact of the hijacked jetliners blew away fire-resistant foam, exposing steel girders to burning jet fuel." The girders buckled/melted & collapsed under the weight of the floors above.

But according to Sally Regenhard, whose son, a firefighter, died in the collapse, the first study team "FAILED TO PRESERVE MUCH OF THE STRUCTURAL STEEL BY ALLOWING AS MUCH AS 95% OF IT TO BE RECYCLED, WAS DENIED EARLY ACCESS TO THE SITE AND LACKED THE POWER TO SUBPOENA DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY" [my caps].

One wonders if the court commission bothered to check the Gaithersburg bits & pieces as thoroughly as necessary.

" ‘WE’RE TIRED OF WAITING FOR A PROPER INVESTIGATION’, Regenhard said." [my caps].

I totally empathize. And so do lots of people in the U.S. and worldwide.

But it’s not just Mrs Regenhard who’s questioning the results of the 1st court commission.

In its own "Executive Summary", the regime’s engineers admit that "the collapse of the towers astonished most observers, including knowledgeable structural engineers".

Those same court engineers say they interviewed witnesses - did they talk to Louie Cacchioli? Or Teresa Veliz?

They say that their "Team conducted field observations at the WTC site and steel salvage yards, removed and tested samples of the collapsed structures".

Pity they can’t share most of their evidence with us because rudy sold 95% of the steel for scrap and the bits & pieces at Gaithersburg, Md are off limits to independent researchers.

Fortunately though, the court engineers preserved just a tiny, but all-important bit of integrity:

"WITH THE INFORMATION AND TIME AVAILABLE, THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS LEADING TO THE COLLAPSE OF EACH TOWER COULD NOT BE DEFINITELY DETERMINED." [my caps].

In other words, Bush’s team in its own executive summary clearly states that its very convenient theory of the jet-fuel fires melting the steel is NOTHING BUT PURE SPECULATIVE DRIVEL!

Again reader let’s focus hard on this: it’s Bush’s engineers themselves who assessed their much-hyped melting-steel-gives-way explanation as baseless hogwash:

"THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS LEADING TO THE COLLAPSE OF EACH TOWER COULD NOT BE DEFINITELY DETERMINED."

How come the team didn’t pursue, among others, the bomb/controlled-demolition line of inquiry? Especially given rudy’s highly suspicious haste/frenzy in destroying the evidence?

The jet-fuel-fires speculation is further diminished, again, by the very words of Bush’s experts:

"A SIGNIFICANT portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact. THE HEAT PRODUCED BY THIS BURNING JET FUEL DOES NOT BY ITSELF APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT TO INITIATE THE STRUCTURAL COLLAPSES." [my caps].

So the rapidly-burned-off jet fuel didn’t buckle the steel - and burning chairs & desks did?

Especially since "many structural and fire protection features of the design and construction [of the Twin Towers] were found to be superior to the minimum code requirements."

More self-damning info from the court team:

"Prior to these events [911], no protected steel-frame structure, the most common form of large commercial construction in the U.S., had ever experienced a fire-induced collapse".

Could it be that a fire-induced collapse was NOT the case at all on 911?
That bombs were set off?

Many other buildings were set on fire in the WTC area on 911: WTC 4,5,6 and 7; 90 West Street; 130 Cedar Street. The team’s report (8.2.7.1.b,c) mentions only 90 West Street as having had a well-performing fireproofing of concrete, brick and terra cotta around its steel frames.

But almost all WTC-site buildings remained standing, although they had "suffered severe fire damage".

Only WTC 7 collapsed entirely but I mentioned above how you rudy had turned its ground floor into a diesel depo.

Moreover, noone knows for sure why WTC 7 collapsed.

Steel-frame building vulnerabilities to fire-induced collapses were "not previously believed to exist."

According to the federal team’s report (chapter 8.2.2.2.b) "Preliminary studies of the growth and heat flux produced by the fires were conducted. Although these studies provided useful insight into the buildings’ behavior, THEY WERE NOT OF SUFFICIENT DETAIL TO PERMIT AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF TEMPERATURES IN THE BUILDINGS AT VARIOUS STAGES OF THE EVENT AND THE RESULTING STRESS STATE OF THE STRUCTURES AS THE FIRES PROGRESSED." [my caps].

In other words: in a rare fit of intellectual honesty, Bush’s engineers owned up to the fact that their foregone, regime-absolving conclusion that the towers fell because of the buckling/melting steel IS SCIENTIFICALLY BASELESS UNPROVEN UNWARRANTED.

As for WTC 7, the only other WTC-site building that allegedly collapsed after fires caused the steel trusses to buckle, the team’s report’s conclusions are very skeptical indeed: chapter 8.2.5.1.b:

"THE SPECIFICS OF THE FIRES IN THE WTC 7 AND HOW THEY CAUSED THE BUILDING TO COLLAPSE REMAIN UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME" [caps mine].

So, rudy’s massive diesel tanks notwithstanding, not even the WTC 7 collapse lends credibility to the official fire-melts-steel dogma.

And yet our court jesters did not open any other line of inquiry as to why the Twin Towers fell.

Did anyone seriously expect them to cast doubt on the official 911 story - or for that matter, to conduct a serious, objective investigation?>>>

Obviously

Why Did the WTC Towers Collapse?
Immediately after the twin towers of the World Trade Center were struck, it looked as though the buildings might remain standing. While the plane crashes had taken huge chunks out of both towers, the overall structure seemed to be intact, at least to the observers on the ground and the millions of Americans watching the catastrophe on television. But within an hour, World Trade Center 2 had collapsed, followed by World Trade Center 1 only 40 minutes later.
Like all skyscrapers, the World Trade Center was held up by a sturdy metal framework. Steel and aluminum beams were riveted end-to-end to form long vertical columns, which were spaced about 3 feet apart all around the outside of the building. At each floor level, these vertical columns were bound together by many horizontal girder beams. The towers had a similar steel tube framework in the center of the building, which housed the elevators. This tube design left a large area of open space on each floor, with no vertical support columns.

In this giant three-dimensional grid -- called the super structure -- all the weight in each building was transferred directly to the vertical columns. The downward force caused by the weight of the buildings was concentrated into a relatively small area -- the point where the columns rested at the base of the building. At this point, the concentrated force was spread out across the substructure under the building (see How Skyscrapers Work to learn about substructures.)

When the planes hit the two towers, the collisions damaged the structures in two major ways:

They knocked out a large number of vertical columns around the edge of each building and presumably at each building's core.
They ignited the planes' fuel supplies, causing a massive explosion that set each building on fire.
The crash did not take out enough columns to immediately break apart the superstructures; the remaining columns were strong enough to hold up the top portion of each building. But the raging fire heated these standing columns to extremely high temperatures, twisting and weakening them. In the World Trade Center towers, the support structure was designed to withstand a typical building fire for a few hours or more, to give rescue workers time to evacuate the occupants and possibly extinguish the fire. But because of the intensity of the explosions on September 11, and the large amount of fuel feeding the fires, temperatures climbed well above expected levels.
As key structural elements melted, more of the columns buckled. Without adequate column support at the crash site, the top part of each building collapsed onto the lower part of the building.

Essentially, this was like dropping a 20-story building on top of another building. Before the crash, this upper structure exerted a constant downward force -- its weight -- on the superstructure below. Obviously, the lower superstructure was strong enough to support this weight. But when the columns collapsed, the upper part of the building started moving -- the downward force of gravity accelerated it. The momentum of an object, the quantity of its motion, is equal to its mass multiplied by its velocity. So when you increase the velocity of an object with a set mass, you increase its momentum. This increases the total force that the object can exert on another object.

To understand how this works, think of a hammer. Resting in your hand, it doesn't hurt you at all. But if you drop it on your foot, it can do some damage. Similarly, if you swing the hammer forward, you can apply enough force to drive nails.

When the upper structure of each World Trade Center tower fell down, its velocity -- and therefore its momentum -- increased sharply. This greater momentum resulted in an impact force that exceeded the structural integrity of the columns immediately underneath the destroyed area. Those support columns gave way, and the whole mass fell on the floors even farther down. In this way, the force of the falling building structure broke apart the superstructure underneath, crushing the building from the top, one floor at a time.

To put it another way, the potential energy of the building mass, the energy of position it had due to its height and the pull of gravity, was converted into kinetic energy, or energy of motion. This is the same basic principle that professional demolition blasters use to bring down unoccupied buildings.

World Trade Center 2, the second tower hit, actually collapsed before World Trade Center 1. Most likely, this occured because of the planes' relative impact points. The plane that hit World Trade Center 2 crashed lower on the building than the plane that hit World Trade Center 1. Consequently, the strained support columns in World Trade Center 2 had a greater load pressing down on them then the strained columns in World Trade Center 1, so they reached the buckling point more quickly.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/sept-eleven7.htm

I'm not naive, damn it!

I believe everything that Uncle Sam and Fox News tell me. I also believe in the Tooth Fairy.

saint huck is an asshole

>>>They knocked out a large number of vertical columns around the edge of each building and presumably at each building's core>>>:

unsubstantiated statement:try reading Logic for Dummies.

I'm not naive, damn it!

I believe everything that I read in www.911whatreallyhappened.com and Indymedia. I also believe in the Easter Bunny.

huck is an asshole/2

>>But the raging fire heated these standing columns to extremely high temperatures, twisting and weakening them. <<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

fuck huck

>>But because of the intensity of the explosions on September 11, and the large amount of fuel feeding the fires, temperatures climbed well above expected levels<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

huck is bucklin'

>>As key structural elements melted, more of the columns buckled<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

huck is an asshole

let me be more clear:

huck's post above is a truckload of unsubstantiated crap.

(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)

fires did not weaken steel-

>>>The jet-fuel-fires speculation is further diminished, again, by the very words of Bush’s experts:

"A SIGNIFICANT portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact. THE HEAT PRODUCED BY THIS BURNING JET FUEL DOES NOT BY ITSELF APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT TO INITIATE THE STRUCTURAL COLLAPSES." [my caps].

So the rapidly-burned-off jet fuel didn’t buckle the steel -<<<

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I am an assmole.

I need my meds.
help me.

call the men in the white coats.

(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)

help me

can't find my meds.

call the men in the white coats.

gee I'm an assmole.oh god .help!!!!

(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)

We're losing in the struggle!
Organize!
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I am out of my head.

my head is inside my ass.

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well then fuck you

Hey Mr Anonymous

Do you intentionally misrespresent the ASCE/FEMA report, or are simply too lazy to read the rest of the paragraph?

"A SIGNIFICANT portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact. THE HEAT PRODUCED BY THIS BURNING JET FUEL DOES NOT BY ITSELF APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT TO INITIATE THE STRUCTURAL COLLAPSES." [your caps]

the next part (that you intentionally left out):

"However, as the burning jet fuel spread across several floors of the building, it ignited much of the buildings' contents, causing simultanous fires across several floors of both buildings. The heat output from these fires is estimated to have been comparable to the power produced by a large commercial power generating station. Over a period of many minutes, this heat induced additional stresses into the damaged structural frames while simultaneously softening and weakening these frames. THIS ADDITIONAL LOADING AND THE RESULTING DAMAGE WERE SUFFICIENT TO INDUCE THE COLLAPSE OF BOTH STRUCTURES." [caps mine]

Finally, are you intentionally being dramatic and, again, misrepresenting the facts when you say the report was written by "Bush’s experts"? The study was conducted by ASCE engineers and career (non-political -- they worked under Democrats a few years ago) FEMA engineers.

Intentionally misrepresenting the truth, Mr Anonymous, is a clear signal that you have no faith in your argument.

LOGICAL FALLACY

>>However, as the burning jet fuel spread across several floors of the building, it ignited much of the buildings' contents, causing simultanous fires across several floors of both buildings. The heat output from these fires is estimated to have been comparable to the power produced by a large commercial power generating station. Over a period of many minutes, this heat induced additional stresses into the damaged structural frames while simultaneously softening and weakening these frames. THIS ADDITIONAL LOADING AND THE RESULTING DAMAGE WERE SUFFICIENT TO INDUCE THE COLLAPSE OF BOTH STRUCTURES." [caps mine] >>:

unsubstantiated allegations.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

Unsubstantiated allegations?

The "allegation" has been substantiated by the American Society of Civil Engineers and their analysis of the evidence.

I challenge you, debate coach, to find a civil engineer who has read the report and disagrees with the "allegations".

is that the bible?

>>The "allegation" has been substantiated by the American Society of Civil Engineers and their analysis of the evidence. >>:

is that the bible?

beyond criticism?

and:please quote the asce analysis where they substantiate their foregone bush-inspired conclusion.

precise aND VERIFIABLE QUOTE PLEASE.

these fools

will deny the truth until they die.

No proof will ever staisfy them because they've conciously decided to deny it.

All you can do is laugh at them.

baaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!

baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!

fresca take your meds

rerlax boy - yer friends in the white coats are comin'.

You people are sick

I just can't understand how stupid you people can be.

Yes Jet fuel melts metal that is what type D fire extingishers (sp) are for.

Not to mention the hundreds of islamic murders around the world every year.

Quite frankly you people would be funny if you weren't so fucking stupid.

I stood at the base of the Towers after the first mudslum terrorist bombing. Honestly if this is the type of crap Indymedia allows to be posted as "articles" on their site, well it just goes to prove how far they are willing to go to lie just to make a point.

Re: More Pure Leftist Bullshit

You're right of course, they are dumb.

Santa Claus and Bigfoot are a whole lot more plausible than the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense these loonies post here.

But look at the bright side. Their theories are so patently ridiculous that the average person just shakes their head in disgust. They have no chance of extending their circle of conspiracy believers beyond the small core they have now.

They're a whole lot like the Jonestown people or the Hale Bopp Comet cult -- just a few screwballs who reinforce each other in their completely ridiculous beliefs.

Let them rant - they're self destructive.

I doubt you were at the towers liar.

There is no CREDIBLE evidence that former CIA operative Osama Bin Forgotten was involved in the Tower attack.

Before the Conquest of Afghanistan He Denied being involved.

The only people seen, and caught celebrating were Israelis.

It was an Israeli Mossad False Flag Operation made to look like an Arab Operation.

911 - The Day The Israeli's Attacked us.

ROFL

"There is no CREDIBLE evidence that former CIA operative Osama Bin Forgotten was involved in the Tower attack. "

Except for those pesky videotape confessions/boastings he's so fond of releasing.

Thank you God, for making my enemies ridiculous.

shut the HELL up

and don't bring ME into your lap dance for killers of my children.

oh come now, Jahwa

she's only doing her job.

the she is a he....

In this day and age only a faggot like Fresca (who happens to be a man with a womans name...hmmmmm) would think that it is impossible to make a false video with Osama in it.

You can get Tyranosaurs to walk the earth, make music videos with artists dead for years, shows forest gump shaking the hand of John F Kennedy and Osama Bin Forgotten cannot be duplicated. Fresca pray to God I never meet U because I would stomp the living day lights out of U you fucking faggot. Every one thinks ur a woman with that name you cock gobbler. Feel some fucking shame. Arent U gonna bring up gay rights again you shit stabber?

"would think that it is impossible to make a false video with Osama in it. "

Of course it's not impossible. But, there certainly is no reason on earth to believe it's happened. Certainly not a shred of suspicion let alone evidence.

As far as gay rights go, I don't have much opinion one way or the other.

I do know this however, I'm glad I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about any "peace-loving" muslims executing me.

Thank you. Thank you. I'll be here all week.

BTW

"Fresca pray to God I never meet U because I would stomp the living day lights out of U you fucking faggot. "

This is priceless.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

And again

Don't worry. You'll never get near me. I know how you arabs have a habit of blowing up unexpectedly.

Lessons not learned

I still can't believe how you conspiracy theorists refuse to believe the Muslims did it. We've seen an earlier attempt at hijacking a plane and crashing it into a structure. Remember Air France 8969? For you youngsters, that was the Airbus hijacked by four Islamic terrorists in Algeria. They aimed to blow the plane up over Paris or crash it into the Eiffel Tower. The problem was that they didn't know how to pilot a plane, so the Air France pilots were able to keep the plane grounded most of the time (in Africa, then in Marseilles).

Or was that also fabricated by the US and/or Israel?

I find it difficult to

Digest the:
Stock trading anomalies and their links to the CIA
The standown of NORAD
Our meat puppet's crisis response reflex
Our meat puppet's military's promotions afterwards
The recovered but blank black boxes.
The magic passport (don't get me started)
The observed collapse of the buildings
The lack of information from our government

Who wouldn't...

If these were all true .

But they aren't.

"

Stock trading anomalies and their links to the CIA

Typical utterly unverified theory on the par of online hoax and rumor. Find any evidence, other than like minded Conspiracy Sites that back this claim up at all. ESPECIALLY the CIA angle.

The standown of NORAD

Again. No standown occurred.

Our meat puppet's crisis response reflex
Our meat puppet's military's promotions afterwards

You're entitled to your opinion. Although it proves and really suggests nothing. But, go for it.

The recovered but blank black boxes.

AGAIN. More myth. Prove it.

The magic passport (don't get me started)

AND AGAIN. More cyber myth. See a pattern?

The observed collapse of the buildings

The "observed" collapse supports the facts perfectly. The only observable phenomena is CRASH, FIRE, COLLAPSE. Argue bad science all you want but this is the easiest to explain.

The lack of information from our government "

What more info do you want. Short of them saying, "Sheepdog and his buddies are right. We did it", what would satisfy you.

By the way, since you are so concerned with all these unanswered questions and loos-ends, why don't any of the myriad questions arising from your own camps theories give you pause.

For instance, one of the main pieces of verified evidence are the cellphone calls from passengers describing arab hijackers. Now you all dispute this out of hand. So, how do you account for the testimony of so many people who claim to have gotten these calls. What do they gain from this massive Conspiracy. Mind you, if they are in on it, as they must be, they've willingly sacrificed loved ones in order to have a chance to lie for the government. They've also ALL managed to keep this secret for two years.

Doesn't that sorta make you wonder?

People write all manner of stories on the web. This is not the same as raising legitimate questions. A little common sense is needed.

Your information is correct fresca...

except when the F-16's were immediatly deployed
upon the findings of professional golfer
Paine Stewart...
When his plane was detected going off course on radar
the plane was intercepted and followed until it crash landed.
But that never happened on 911 when THREE commercial airliners veered off course for more than
three hours.

But your evidence is "cell phone calls"
No mention of the failure of NORAD to detect these planes, nor of the failure of the Bush administration to
quantify these explainations to the families involved in
911 within Senate hearings.

No mention to the hijakers that were later found to be alive and in no connection to the tragedies.

No mention to the people that the BBC is now split with
Tony Blair about his twisting of the evidence pertaining to the war in Iraq (that was found by the CIA to have no connection with the bombings)

No mention to the UN resolutions for WMD that have yet to be found.
Now the war was about "liberation for the Iraqi people" who are now fighting a guerilla war against the US.
No mention of the toppling of the "Hussein statue" that was later proven to be a hoax.

Now its OK to be patriotic and love the American way of life.....But what does that mean?
Blind patriotism?
Not asking why?
That's wrong?

Doesn't that sorta make you wonder?

People write all manner of stories on the web. This is not the same as raising legitimate questions. A little common sense is needed.

Your information is correct fresca...

july6h1226 the idiot

>>Yes Jet fuel melts metal <<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

jul6h1226 the assmole

>> I stood at the base of the Towers after the first mudslum terrorist bombing<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

Big story

"No mention to the hijakers that were later found to be alive and in no connection to the tragedies."

I remember, a few months after 9/11, when a US television show (60 Minutes, Dateline, or one of them) went to Saudi Arabia and interviewed a few of the hijackers' families. Interestingly, the hijackers themselves weren't around. And the families spoke as if they were dead. Some even apologized for their son's actions.

You'd think, perhaps in Sweeps Week, that one of these programs would interview at least one of the live hijackers. That would be one HUGE story.

And, yes, we know that there are a few guys in Saudi Arabia who came forward and claimed that their passports had been stolen and that they weren't hijackers. We know that already. The guys with stolen identities who have been cleared are NOT hijackers. The guys using their ID were hijackers. The guys pictured on the link from this page:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/invest.section.html

frescassmole

>>Except for those pesky videotape confessions/boastings he's so fond of releasing.>>:

please provide :
1.verifiable evidence af authenticity of osama tapes
2.verifiable evidence that osama :
a.even exists at all
b.is behind 911
c.is not a cia agent

Thanks

For the reply. Here's my response.

"except when the F-16's were immediatly deployed
upon the findings of professional golfer
Paine Stewart...
When his plane was detected going off course on radar
the plane was intercepted and followed until it crash landed.
But that never happened on 911 when THREE commercial airliners veered off course for more than
three hours. "

I've heard the Paine Stewart theorem over and over. What can I say? Does it prove that there was a standown. No. Does it lead to some quetsions about HOW NORAD operates or how adept it is? Yes, of course. Should there be inquiries. YES, of course. But to say that it proves only one of the possible explanantions (conspiracy) is a bit short-sighted. Bring on the investigation.

But your evidence is "cell phone calls"
No mention of the failure of NORAD to detect these planes, nor of the failure of the Bush administration to
quantify these explainations to the families involved in
911 within Senate hearings.

No mention to the hijakers that were later found to be alive and in no connection to the tragedies.

What's to mention? I assume some mistaken identity probably occured. But so what? Does that mean that NO arab hijackers were on the plane since SOME of them were initially mis-identified. Remember, SOME of the hijackers were initially correctly identified. ATTA for one, complete with airport surveillance video.

No mention to the people that the BBC is now split with
Tony Blair about his twisting of the evidence pertaining to the war in Iraq (that was found by the CIA to have no connection with the bombings)

No mention to the UN resolutions for WMD that have yet to be found.
Now the war was about "liberation for the Iraqi people" who are now fighting a guerilla war against the US.

All this is salient to another thread but irrelevant here. Completely unrelated. Unimportant? NO. Just unrelated.

No mention of the toppling of the "Hussein statue" that was later proven to be a hoax.

This statement is simply a lie. There was no hoax. You know that. At WORST, there was some very flattering framing to boost the crowd appearance but that's it. The Iraqi crowd DID tear that Statue down.

Now its OK to be patriotic and love the American way of life.....But what does that mean?
Blind patriotism?
Not asking why?
That's wrong?

Here's the big problem. You, and others want to believe that if I take in all the same evidence as you and reach a different conclusion than I MUST be operating on blind patriotism and staunch support and protection of Bush.

That's nonsense. I have nothing invested in Bush. And I have no reason to NEED to believe that arabs attcked us. It fills no void. But the evidence is overwhelming enough, for me, to reach that conclusion.

You are correct however about one thing. Accepting everything that "they" tell us is stupid and sheeplike and NOT patriotic. But so is categorically NOT accepting EVERYTHING.

eddie=fresca

>>For you youngsters, that was the Airbus hijacked by four Islamic terrorists in Algeria. They aimed to blow the plane up over Paris or crash it into the Eiffel Tower.<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

anyway since the hype about what you said started in 1994,how come the air force was so unprepared to meet the very same (purportedly) challenge 9 years later?

Air France

The failure of Norad to shoot down the plane will be one of the more interesting pieces of the upcoming investigation.

My guess is that they were a little weary of shooting down a civilian jetliner. And when they had enough information to know for sure what was happening (not including the delayed Pennsylvania flight), it was too late. But the investigation should be interesting.

ignorant fresca

>>Stock trading anomalies and their links to the CIA

Typical utterly unverified theory on the par of online hoax and rumor. Find any evidence, other than like minded Conspiracy Sites that back this claim up at all. ESPECIALLY the CIA angle.>>:

bullcrap.

that there was anomalous,insider-trading based activity on AA's and other airlines stocks just prior to 911 is the object of an ongoing FBI investigation (or better:coverup).

logical fallacy

fresca:
>>No standown occurred.<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

wow! fresca right for once!

>>The magic passport (don't get me started)

AND AGAIN. More cyber myth. See a pattern? >>:

fresca what happened to you? you're RIGHT on this one!

mr mueller said he'd found Mohamed Atta's miraculously intact passport on top of the wtc's smoldering rubble...

but noone ever saw it...

another myth,just like our good old moley said...

keep at it,fresca - maybe one day,who knows,you might even heal...

mole back to mold

fresca:

>>CRASH, FIRE, COLLAPSE. >>:

unsubstantiated allegation.try reading Logic for Dummies.

or even the ample refutations of this above in the thread.

logical phallacy

>>are the cellphone calls from passengers describing arab hijackers. Now you all dispute this out of hand. So, how do you account for the testimony of so many people who claim to have gotten these calls>>:

cellphone calls:unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dummies.

fresca the liar

>>one of the main pieces of verified evidence are the cellphone calls from passengers describing arab hijackers<<:

lie.

the calls are neither verified nor verifiable.

Starting Sheepdog

"The magic passport (don't get me started) "

Hey Sheepdog (or anybody else),
Please provide me with a link to a source that claims that Atta's passport was found in lower Manhattan. Not one of the conspiracy sites, but source a quote or statement from an investigator.

As far as I recall, Atta's Saudi passport was found in the rental car at Logan.

wherever it was found...

...noone's seen it and the public can't verify.

and even if real,it may have been planted.

there is no proof whatsoever that atta was aboard AA11 that morning.

I like this article.

Personally, I myself have long had a theory that it was the Klingons that brought the towers down. Them or the Borgs. Had to have been either one or the other. I challenge ANY of you to refute my claims and prove me wrong.

There's no proof that it was the Borgs, Eric.

All fingers are pointing towards the Romulans.

Not true.

The Romulans blew up the space shuttle. (The second time, not the first time. The first time it blew up, it was just because of a failed o-ring. The Feds got that one right)

The reasons the Romulans had to travel back into time and blow up the Space Shuttle are simple:

They were getting ready to make the first recorded jump to light speed using warp drive and they knew the Vulcans were in the quadrant and would have detected the warp signature pattern disruption of the ether of space. Then they would have been forced to grant the Earth entry into the Federation.

You fool and/or liar

"lie.

the calls are neither verified nor verifiable.
"

There about as verifiable as any piece of evidence can get. Every phonecall that was answered has someone, who, to this day, tells of speaking with a loved one or relationship who later was killed in the crashes.

Please feel free to refute this AND explain how ANY government got so many people to enter into such a conspiracy which neccessitated sacrificing someone they were close to.

i am a good person

everybody likes me.
i am a good american.
i never ask questions
and i never think.
i am brainwashed.
i feel loved.

Great refutation

Fresca,

Your imposter above sure made a great rebuttal to your very valid point, huh?

I've always wondered if they were actually cellphone calls or if they were skyphone calls.

In any event, the phone companies would have records of all the calls. But wait. Maybe the phone company IT people are in on the conspiracy...

Eddie

That WAS me, you paranoid psycho. Get back into your straightjacket before you hurt somebody.

logical fallacy

>>Every phonecall that was answered has someone, who, to this day, tells of speaking with a loved one or relationship who later was killed in the crashes. >>:

1.unsubstantiated statement - try reading logic for dummies.

2.the very few who are reported to have spoken with loved ones or plane passengers in general may have been lying.try reading logic for dummies.

3.try making a cellphone call from a plane above the us countryside and report about the results...good luck.

LET'S ROLL!

"3.try making a cellphone call from a plane above the us countryside and report about the results...good luck."

You absolutely CAN make a cellphone call from an airplane at elevations of about 2000 feet or less. That's nearly a half mile up above the U.S. countryside.

The WTC towers were significantly lower than that and the planes had to approach at an even lower altitude.

There are documented reports of people receiving cellphone calls from loved ones aboard those planes. How do you account for Todd Beamer of flight 93 and his comment of "Let's Roll!"??

The reason you can't do it ABOVE those levels, BTW, is because the servicing parabolic antennas are angularized primarily for ground coverage. But it certainly can be done.

logical fallacy

>>a conspiracy which neccessitated sacrificing someone they were close to.>>:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading logic for dummies.

good Q,eddie mole

>>In any event, the phone companies would have records of all the calls>>:

where are they - if they exist at all - that is.if the phone calls ever existed at all to start with?

it's about time they were made public if they existed - could it be that they don't?

let's troll!

>>You absolutely CAN make a cellphone call from an airplane at elevations of about 2000 feet or less>>:

1.unsubstantiated allegation.

2.the roaming system - wouldn't it fuck you up anyway above the counryside?

3.please provide evidence that the alleged 911 calls were made from 2000 feet or less - that would mean,a few seconds away from impact - no time not even to connect and say amen.

4.>>>There are documented reports of people receiving cellphone calls from loved ones aboard those planes. How do you account for Todd Beamer of flight 93 and his comment of "Let's Roll!"?? >>>:

this was the famous myth reported by alleged operator lisa jefferson - real pity that:

1.the words let's roll never were in mrs jefferson account to start with;they originated with alleged todd beamer's wife lisa who hyped that phrase as POSSIBLY having been used by her husband in the alleged last charge because todd allegedly used that phrase a lot while playing with his kids.

2.no documented recording was ever produced for the alleged beamer-jefferson call

3.lisa jefferson (or better:the alleged lisa jefferson) might have been lying or been deceived herself by a phony call.

please provide proof.

that "You absolutely CAN make a cellphone call from an airplane at elevations of about 2000 feet or less" is an unsubstantiated allegation and not simply a stated fact.

"2.the roaming system - wouldn't it fuck you up anyway above the counryside?"

No, it wouldn't. Please provide proof if you believe otherwise.

"3.please provide evidence that the alleged 911 calls were made from 2000 feet or less - that would mean,a few seconds away from impact - no time not even to connect and say amen."

Please provide proof that they weren't. Please provide proof that the planes did not in fact approach the WTC towers from those elevations for the entire duration after takeoff.

"this was the famous myth reported by alleged operator lisa jefferson - real pity that: "

please provide proof that this is a myth.

1.the words let's roll never were in mrs jefferson account to start with;"

Please provide proof of this unsubstantiated allegation.

"they originated with alleged todd beamer's wife lisa who hyped that phrase as POSSIBLY having been used by her husband in the alleged last charge because todd allegedly used that phrase a lot while playing with his kids."

Please provide proof of this unsubstantiated allegation.

"2.no documented recording was ever produced for the alleged beamer-jefferson call "

Please provide proof that this phone call DID NOT in fact transpire.

"3.lisa jefferson (or better:the alleged lisa jefferson) might have been lying or been deceived herself by a phony call. "

Please provide proof of this unsubstantiated allegation.

None of what you typed has ANY factual basis.

eric 's illogic

>>that "You absolutely CAN make a cellphone call from an airplane at elevations of about 2000 feet or less" is an unsubstantiated allegation and not simply a stated fact. >>:

that's exactly what I'm saying too idiot.

eric ' s illogic/2

>>>"2.the roaming system - wouldn't it fuck you up anyway above the counryside?"

No, it wouldn't. Please provide proof if you believe otherwise. >>>:

1.your "no it wouldn't " is an unsubstantiated allegation.
try with logic for dummies.

2.I asked a Q,raised a doubt - didn't utter dogmas as you are used to doing for a living.

3.I read somewhere that in the us in the countryside the roaming system is not very efficient due to lack of frequent antennas.

again,I am not posing as a cellphone tech expert.

I am raising questions,which you are unable to answer - not being an expert yerself.

Please provide proof.

That's what I am saying.

idiot.

eric's illogic/3

>>>"3.please provide evidence that the alleged 911 calls were made from 2000 feet or less - that would mean,a few seconds away from impact - no time not even to connect and say amen."

Please provide proof that they weren't>>>:

again:I at least have provided a logical argument aginst your unsubstantiated allegation that the alleged calls happened at all and were made from 2000 or less.

whereas you have provided not only no proof,but also no logic.

just like the official 911 version.no proof,no logic.

and the burden of proof is on bush because it's him who's been making the cellphone thing allegations-
unsubstantiated,as usual.

eric's illogic/4

>>>"this was the famous myth reported by alleged operator lisa jefferson - real pity that: "

please provide proof that this is a myth. >>>:

again and again:

the burden of proof is on him who made the original beamer-jefferson allegation:
that is,on bush and mrs jefferson and fbi director who investigated the matter or pretended to do so.

I have no secutrity clearance to interview bush jefferson and mueller under oath about this affair.

and until you thugs provide proof,I'll deem it a myth because that's what an unsubstantiated allegation is.

raising doubt is easy.

Any idiot can "raise doubt". For instance I could claim that men from mars brought down the WTC towers. Or I could say that the towers didn't really fall, because they never really even existed. I could ask a bunch of ridiculous questions like "does the light REALLY go out when we close the refrigerator door?" But none of this serves a purpose except to obfuscate. These questions have no factual premise to support them.

Raising a REASONABLE doubt is another matter. You have completely failed in that regard. No one of reasonable intelligence is buying your tripe. If you don't believe me, go outside your little cubical, get out from in front of that computer, walk out on the street and take a survey of say, 10 people.

Ask them if they think that explosives brought down the WTC.

Ask them if they believe that "conspiracy theory" that islamic fundamentalists attacked us on 911 or do they think the planes were remote controlled.

Ask them if they think George Bush instigated 911 as an eleaborate plot to get a foothold in the Middle East so America could suck the oil dry.

Go ahead. Ask them. Report back the results.

I bet 8 of 10 of those people will look at you like you are an idiot. You might get lucky and find one demented person that agrees with you, but I doubt it. And the 10th person? He's likely to kick your ass right there in the street.

Now, are the rest of us all idiots? Or are YOU the idiot?

Statistically the latter can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

eric do your homework

>>>1.the words let's roll never were in mrs jefferson account to start with;"

Please provide proof of this unsubstantiated allegation.
they originated with alleged todd beamer's wife lisa who hyped that phrase as POSSIBLY having been used by her husband in the alleged last charge because todd allegedly used that phrase a lot while playing with his kids."

Please provide proof of this unsubstantiated allegation. >>>:

I read this if I remember right in lisa beamer's book let's roll and in another mainstream flight 93 book whose title now escapes me but I'll try to come with it for unprevented readers not for you.

however that's for the next days because I can't devote full-time to this as you moles on the govt's payroll can.

but I will I promise.

anyway again:

the burden of proof for the let's roll phrase is on those who made the allegation - who came up with no proof at all as usual.

eric's illogic/5

>>"2.no documented recording was ever produced for the alleged beamer-jefferson call "

Please provide proof that this phone call DID NOT in fact transpire. >>:

please provide proof,since you are speaking on behalf of the govt thugs who made the original allegation,of the documented recording of the beamer-jefferson call.

for if you can't,you'd beter tell us why you blindly believe in the govt's conspiracy theories including the cell call myth.

All I can see is you arguing against yourself.

Whether Beamer said "Let's roll" or not is inconsequential.

Whether or not the phone call was made is. Ms. Beamer claims that it was. No evidence has been presented to discredit her testimony. She remains credible. YOU however, do not.

Poor, pea-brained Eric

"Whether Beamer said "Let's roll" or not is inconsequential."

Eric

"You absolutely CAN make a cellphone call from an airplane at elevations of about 2000 feet or less. That's nearly a half mile up above the U.S. countryside."

This is true. I've called from higher.

Working today and don't have a lot of time, but if you'll search some sites like AOPA.org and a few other general aviation sites, you'll see they highly recommend that pilots carry with them cell phones in case of radio outage and/or electrical outgage. I've known of several piloits who had electrical outages while enroute who were able to call control towers or ground support to report their emergency and obtain clearances to land or whatever it is they need to do to remain safe.

Don't know why you'd want to document this stuff for faker/KOBE or others who are going to believe whatever they want to anyway, but that's a lead if you want it.

eric doesn't have a clue

>>"3.lisa jefferson (or better:the alleged lisa jefferson) might have been lying or been deceived herself by a phony call. "

Please provide proof of this unsubstantiated allegation. <<<:

mine here was NOT an allegation idiot - it was a logical hypothesis which you can't rule out.

try logic for dummies.

there is no reason at all to blindly believe in mrs jefferson's testimony - unless it's to earn a govt mole salary as you poodle do.

Here let me help you

Todd Beamer called me up on the phone on 9-11 as he and I were personal friends. He told me that Arabs had taken over the plane and said he was gonna kick their asses. Then he said, "Let's Roll". I recorded the whole conversation, and had it voice analysed and it the report came back that it was 99.99998% that it was Todd's voice.

So there. Prove me lying.

pilot

Watch out! "faker/KOBE" is watching you from across the street with binoculars! Get back into your straightjacket before you hurt somebody. Psycho.

eric's ill logic

>>None of what you typed has ANY factual basis. >>:

this suits the govt's 911 conspiracy theory well.

as for me,all that I said has a logical/reasonable/circumstantial basis as I have shown aplenty so far.

Who cares?

"and until you thugs provide proof,I'll deem it a myth because that's what an unsubstantiated allegation is. "

Who cares if you choose to remain an ass?

The proof is the testimony of all the people who recieved the phone calls.

They've said they recieved the phone calls. Many have told their stories in the public forum.

The burden is on you to prove them wrong AND explain how and why they would be willing to join in such a nefarious plot that required them to basically MURDER (since they'd have to have prior knowledge and the willingness to keep that info from their loved ones who got on the planes) people they knew and/or loved.

You can try and spin this and refer to the famous "Ghost riders" article but evn that, at best, concludes cellphone usage at that altitude drops to at worst 11% success.

All you have to support your case is the desperate faith that the "government" attacked us.

You'll have to do better than that.

So....please come forward with proof and motive for the call recievers lying for Uncle Sam.

Bob

"Todd Beamer called me up on the phone on 9-11 as he and I were personal friends."

Yeah, that's the ticket. And the Queen of England and I are close friends. Yeah, that's it.

Thank you pilot.

I appreciate the support. I know I'm wasting my time discussing this with a buffoon, but I was bored. I need to get back to work myself. These idiots just suck you right in sometimes like a vortex. I feel like a psychiatrist that has just discovered a new form of mental illness or something.

Anyway thanks again.

fresca

"Who cares if you choose to remain an ass?"

I don't. Who cares if YOU choose to remain an oblivious moron? I don't. Idiot.

Eric

Yeah, I got your straightjacket right here, beotch. Bring it, don't sing it.

Logical Fallacy

"mine here was NOT an allegation idiot - it was a logical hypothesis which you can't rule out."

Unsubstantiated Allegation

For more about logic, read "Logic for Left-Wingers, Anarchists, and others with Dane Bramage"

eric's biased illogic

>>Whether or not the phone call was made is. Ms. Beamer claims that it was. No evidence has been presented to discredit her testimony. She remains credible>>:

1.actually,evidence had to be presented to back up her testimony.it hasn't.therefore it remains an unsubstantiated allegation.

2.ms beamer has no bearing whatsoever on this you moron - because the alleged todd beamer is allegaed to have called chicago operator lisa jefferson not his wife - you can't tell yer armpit from your asshole,yet you wanna argue...

3.there is no logical reason at all why lisa beamer should be or remain credible,except of course for govt sheep like you mole.

pilot the mole

>>>This is true. I've called from higher.

Working today and don't have a lot of time, but if you'll search some sites like AOPA.org and a few other general aviation sites, you'll see they highly recommend that pilots carry with them cell phones in case of radio outage and/or electrical outgage. I've known of several piloits who had electrical outages while enroute who were able to call control towers or ground support to report their emergency and obtain clearances to land or whatever it is they need to do to remain safe. <<<<:

unsubstantiated allegation (and that includes you being a pilot and not eric under a different moniker...):

try Logic for dummies.

fresca is an ass

>>>The proof is the testimony of all the people who recieved the phone calls.

They've said they recieved the phone calls>>>:

and that logically implies that they were telling the truth?

take your meds eric...oooops I meant pilot...oh so sorry,fresca.

your friends in the white coats are comin'.

faker/KOBE

Too tough for you faker/KOBE" Again?

Can't actually make the effort to check out general aviation websites to see if it's true or not. Can't actually pick up the phone and call a local general aviation airport and ask a pilot there if cell phones can be used while flying. No way! To do that and to learn the truth would fuck up your whole world.

Go back to sleep.

pilot

Watch out! "faker/KOBE" is outside your window! You're nuttier than a Planter's peanut factory!

fresca the true believer

>>explain how and why they would be willing to join in such a nefarious plot that required them to basically MURDER (since they'd have to have prior knowledge and the willingness to keep that info from their loved ones who got on the planes) people they knew and/or loved.>>:

1.there is no evidence that the alleged 911 victims ever really died

2.there is no evidence that the people who claimed to have received the calls did in fact receive them

3.there is no evidence that govt terrorist thugs wouldn't murder there so called loved ones - nero is said to have murdered his mother and one of his wives...

as for the cell phone calls

...above 2000 feet,anyone can verify when he hops on the next plane.

try above urban areas (though you'll be unlikely to be above 2000 there) and above the countryside.

Logical Fallacy

"1.there is no evidence that the alleged 911 victims ever really died

2.there is no evidence that the people who claimed to have received the calls did in fact receive them"

Unsubstantiated Allegations

For more about logic on your level, read "Dr. Seuss narrarates Logic for Left-Wingers, Anarchist, and others with Pre-Adeloscent Mentalities".

Airfone

Todd Beamer used the in-plane phone (GTE Airfone). Lisa Jefferson was the operator for GTE Airfone that day.

In the Beamer call, no cell phones were used.

http://www.dailyherald.com/special/9.11.02/story.asp?intID=37495483

Bingham's call most likely from Airfone

"There's three of us who are going to do something about it," he reportedly told Deena Burnett.

Minutes later, the plane crashed, 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, just after 10 a.m. ET. The aircraft had been scheduled to fly from Newark, N.J. to San Francisco.

Deena Burnett says her husband told her three men had taken control of the plane, and that the hijackers had fatally stabbed one person on board, the family's priest told the San Francisco Chronicle.

Burnett told his wife, "I love you, honey," then the line went dead, the Rev. Frank Colacicco, pastor of St. Isidore's Catholic Church said.

Mark Bingham called his mother from the same plane, 15 minutes before it crashed.

"Mark said, 'Mom this is Mark Bingham.' He gave me his last name, he was so rattled," said his mother Alice Hoglan, speaking to ABCNEWS' Good Morning America from her home in Sacramento, Calif.

The 31-year-old public relations executive, apparently using the airphone built into his seat, said three men had taken over the aircraft, which was scheduled to fly from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco.

"I told him I loved him, and it went dead," Hoglan said.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC010912_victimstories.html

Are you folks alleging this?

The conspirators gained access to the passenger list of the airliner. They identified some of the passengers. They obtained voice recordings and details about inflection, nuances, etc. Had imposters call family (wives, mothers) and fool them all, without exception.

Wow. I had no idea the government was so competent. This feat alone (although probably impossible to fool ALL of the family members) would require at least a dozen accomplices.

Well yeah you dolt

">>>The proof is the testimony of all the people who recieved the phone calls.

They've said they recieved the phone calls>>>:

and that logically implies that they were telling the truth?
"

OF COURSE that implies that they were telling the truth.

Furthermore unless you can not only prove otherwise but explain WHY on earth they would all MURDER their relations in order to help in a government conspiracy, it not only IMPLIES the truth but IS the truth.

I know you want so desperately to believe that it's a conspiracy, but please refrain from being an outright moron.

"please refrain from being an outright moron."

I've come to the conclusion that this is not within their abilities, Fresca. The exception being when they are being abject morons.

TROLL ALERT

I am also known as daveman and simple simon.
also as Dirk McGurk.
i have so many personalities that i really like to be called "Sybil".

It's Eric.

Eric. With a capital "E" you dimwit.

ohhh your sooo scary.

which one of your personalities is the "angry one"
schitzo. with a small "s"

Los Angeles Independent Media Center

Los Angeles Independent Media Center.

Independent from reality, that is.

fresca is an ass

>>OF COURSE that implies that they were telling the truth.<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try with Logic for dumbass bushiite assmoles.

no proof for let's roll

I did check 2 mainstream,true-believer books about ua93:

1.let's roll by lisa beamer alleged wife of alleged 93 passenger and "hero" todd

2.among the heroes,by asskissing journalist jere longman

both obviously give for granted the govt conspiracy theory that flight 93 was hijacked by 4 middleeastern islamic terrorists who were prevented from crashing into some washington target by the let's roll charge of a bunch of true american heroes among the passengers.

evidence for the govt conspiracy theory:zero,as usual with 911,iraqi wmds and everything else.

I correct myself for having said that alleged gte operator did not report the let's roll battlecry- she allegedly did,according to both books.

but the realimportant point is:

awkwardly-I repeat:awkwardly- lisa jefferson's alleged phone conversation with todd beamer was not recorded although the fbi reportedly was listening in - more on this later.

so all we have is alleged mrs jefferson's word - no proof to speak of.

- to be continued.

so.............

The FBI has the 'evidence' in one of their 'labs' for 'safe keeping'
for 'national security' reasons........
how special.
thanks folks.

(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)

(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)
Bush Knew!!
(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)
Organize!
Organize!
(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)

Thank you for admitting you were wrong.

Honesty is alway appreciated.

But on your other points:
1. Just because YOU are not privy to evidence, recordings, etc. does not mean that it doesn't exist.

2. No one has come forward to denounce ANYONE that reported getting calls from passengers on those planes.

3. You need to look up the definintion of the word "alleged". You are totally misusing that word.

no proof of let's roll

let me start by quoting from longman's book epilogue:

"in the end,what happened remained more murky than clear".

thanx mainstream believer.honesty is always appreciated.

again according to longman (pp 198 ff:):

at 9.45(that is,18 minutes reportedly from the allegedcrash) Todd Beamer reached a GTE-Verizon operator.

she allegedly was lisa jefferson in an office in Oak Brook,il.

actually according to longman there is another witness to the alleged call:

"the operator at workstation 15 took the call,but the news apparently traumatized her.she handed off the call to lisa d. jefferson,a customer service supervisor with 17 years' experience and a soft,reassuring voice":

WHY HASN'T THIS ANONYMOUS FIRST GTE OPERATOR WHO TOOK THE CALL BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE INVESTIGATING COMMITTEES ON 911 THAT I'M AWARE OF AS TO THE DETAILS AND VERIDICITY OF TODD BEAMER'S ALLEGED CALL?

There absolutely IS proof.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/vic.heroes/

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/04/19/rec.flight.93.families/?related

There are the testimonies of credible witnesses. You haven't discredited them. You have explained why they would fabricate these stories anb be accomplices to MURDER. All you have said is that YOU don't believe them. That doesn't mean squat. It's NOT REASONABLE DOUBT.

Now either put up or shut up.

Who said she hasn't?

You're grasping at straws. Even if everyone on Indymedia were to agree that the whole thing was fake (which it wasn't), it means nothing. This place means nothing. The opinions expressed by the left-wingers and anarchists here mean nothing. Your "evidence" you so preciously hang onto means nothing.

But, please keep it up. If you're on your computer and posting here that means you're not out stealing and looting.

Alleged report

This is an alleged report:

Allegedly, an alleged occupant of an alleged flight, allegedly called from UA 93 (if there even is a United Airlines), allegedly reaching and alleged GTE operator (if in fact she was an operator, or a "she" for that matter) and allegedly uttered the alleged words, "Let's roll" (if there are even such words in the English language).

You people are fucking brain dead.

Allegedly, of course.

logical fallacy

>>There are the testimonies of credible witnesses>>:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Moles.

no proof for let's roll

again from longman's book p.199:

>>gte-verizon did not routinely tape its telephone calls.as a supervisor,she would have been the one to monitor the taping,but she did not want to risk losing the call".

really?

assuming this were true,and assunming the tape button was not at hand,lisa could have signalled to someone else to press record.

this was not routine.

and again:

since tha call reportedly was NOT repeat NOT recorded,all we have is the alleged jefferson words.

no proof.no certainty.

unless you're a braindead and blind mole of course.

So what? I repeat, So what?

I believe her. She has NO REASON to lie. NONE. You have even stated a motive or intent. NONE. And she is just one of many that got phone calls from people aboard those planes.

Now you are sitting there implying that if there was a recording of the phone call, you might be more inclined to believe it. But I just provided you with a link where families of the people on UA93 listened to a recording of what went down on that flight. You haven't commented on that. Why not?

Here. Let me answer that for you. It was a CNN article. That's corporate media and we all know its fallacious. And of course the alleged recording was faked by the government, so there's no need to bother.

If YOU YOURSELF had been the one to receive the freaking phone call, you'd still be on here claiming it was fake. No evidence or testimony would ever be good enough for you, because it goes against the grain of an America hater.

This is great

I LOVE that this thread has become such a thorn in the sides of the inane ConTheors (new word...feel free to use it).

The existence of these calls is beyond dispute. Yet, they keep trying to wish it away.

The most entertaining aspect is the UTTER and COMPLETE avoidance of any attempt at explaining WHY all those who "ALLEDGEDLY" recieved phone calls would willingly and, as of yet, quite resolutely maintain a lie which requires them to join in on a government plot and MURDER, in effect, people close to them.

I supect that this will continue to be dodged.

Of all the daming evidence proving the arab commission of the 9-11 attacks this is really enough.

logical fallacy

>>I believe her. She has NO REASON to lie. NONE<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Assmoles.

frescassmole

>>The existence of these calls is beyond dispute<<:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try gettin' a life.

Do you even know the definition of the word "allegation"?

You sure do misuse that word a lot. You should look it up!

no proof for let's roll

more from longman's book p.199:

<<...jefferson relied on her instincts and her experience:get the basic facts,keep the line open,have someone contact the fbi>>.

so lisa jefferson allegedly had someone contact the fbi.

and the fbi listened in but - alas,forgot to record...

on booze maybe?

and:since lisa jefferson behaved so damn professionally,she had someone contact the fbi but...
forgot to tell that same someone to press the record button?

hmmmmmmmmmmm....

even assuming that she didn't have the record button under her nose - when will an independent 911 inquiry
ascertain:

-where the oak brook record button was
-if this alleged 3d witness who was told by lisa to contact the fbi really exists and if he or she confirms the story?

Well? Where's the beef?

What about the cockpit voice recorder black box recording? Still silent on that? And motive for all the deceit of these alleged receivers of alleged phone calls?

We're all breathlessly waiting...

How do you know?

"and the fbi listened in but - alas,forgot to record... "

Name a source that says the FBI failed to record this conversation. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it does not exist. Have you heard the cockpit recording? No. Does it exist? Yes.

You folks still haven't provided even one scenario in which random (people whose familymembers happened to book on a ticket on the doomed flights) people would join a government plot in which their family member would be killed. What's the matter? Is this even too far-fetched for you??

cockpit for cockheads

flight 93's cockpit voice recorder was almost unintelligible,as reported by longman.more on that coming up.

therefore 93's black box is NO proof for NOTHING,even if authentic - least of all for the let's roll bullcrap.

let's troll

more from longman's tall tales,p.200:

>>todd did not seem to be aware of the other hijackings<<:

strange,since his call started allegedly at 9.45,and since so many other calls were made from other 93 passengers...

<
hmmmmmm...so there were so many witnesses to the beamer-jefferson call - and no 911 inquiry ever thought of crosschecking with them that I'm aware of?

and no talk show host ever thought of inviting them to relate their ordeal to the american people that I'm aware of?

hmmmmmmmmmmm...

and...

...none of those coworkers ever thought of pressing the record button for 45 minutes?

what a bunche of dickheads...

according to longman,again,lisa did think of recording but didn't wanna risk losing the call - which implies the recordert was away from workstation 15 or wherever she was - but how come lisa,altough she topught of recording the call,didn't ask any of those coworkers to do it for her?

hmmmmmmmmmm...........

and,more importantly:

even though there may not be a voice recording of the alleged beamer-jefferson romance - WHAT ABOUT GTE-VERIZONE RECORDS?

WHAT DO THEY SAY?

WHERE ARE THEY?

WHY HAVEN'T THAY BEEN SUBPOENAED BY ANY OF THE 911 INQUIRIES THAT I'M AWARE OF?

DO THEY EXIST - THEY MUST!!!

DO THEY CONFIRM THAT 9.45 CALL WHICH WENT ON FOR AN ALLEGED 45 MINUTES?

ANSWER,FUCKIN' MUELLER THUG!!!!!

YOUR REPLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS LONG OVERDUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(on the doomed flights)

Thank you always use these discriptives
Now back to your terminal. That is all.

The plot thickens

The government must have really had to scramble to fabricate the Todd Beamer call. Remember, he wasn't on the passenger list for UA93 until very late. He was originally scheduled to fly on 9/10, but switched his flight the day before.

no proof for lets roll

agin from longman p.20:

>>after todd beamer said let's roll,his line remained open to gte-verizon operator lisa jefferson,but she heard only silence...after fifteen minutes,maybe thirty,one of her supervisors said,'lisa,release the call'<<:

so:if the above is true,then by letsroll time one gte supervisor was there too - and he didn't think of pressing record either...

hmmmmmmm...

what a silly bunch of dorks,these gte staffers...

and obviously no 911 inquiry in 2 years has ever thouight of interviewing this unnamed supervisor under oathto confirm the story...

hmmmmmmmmmm...

No recording?

Why do you keep insisting there is no recording of this conversation? How do you know?

In any event, ultimately, it doesn't matter. This particular phone conversation is one of many. Others were recorded.

ROFL!!!!!

I LOVE IT!!!!!

The rate at which you asses are falling all over yourself to post the same dodge over and over agin is truly entertaining.

You all are simply pinned down on this one.

Unless you can explin why ALL these people (and BTW thanks fro adding GTE workers to the list) would so gladly join in on the BIG GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY.

LMAO! What a bunch of losers.

It's getting close to staright insult time since you fools are soooooo deluded and oblivious on this.

You guys should really charge for your schtick. It's pretty great.

"no 911 inquiry in 2 years has ever thouight of interviewing ..."

That's because they haven't had the obvious insights of your genious to guide them.

wrong, Eric

It's the devil in the details where chaos reigns. This knot was ill tied
and is unraveling.

the only thing that's unraveling...

are sheepdog's wits. That's what decades of substance abuse will do to a mind.

Remember kids, just say no.

eric blind as a mole

again for nonmole readers:

the alleged beamer-jefferson call was NOT recorded,according to mainstream flight 93 writer longman in his book among the heroes page 199:

>>as a supervisor [lisa jeffersion] would have been the one to monitor the taping,but she did not want to risk losing the call<<:

for if the mole eric=fresca etc has any evidence that the call was indeed recorded,he's welcome to present it to us.

lets roll call not recorded

more for lets roll call not recorded in the fucking lisa beamer book let's roll!,p186:

>> is there a recording of the call? NO,SHE WOULD HAVE HAD TO LEAVE HER STATION TO RECORD A CALL,AND FEARED BEING CUT OFF.<<

satisfied now moley - you lisa beamer pussylicker?

I'm done conversing with you.

You're an idiot. I've tried to help you out of your idiocy, but to no avail. I admit defeat. You win. The phone call was never made. It was all just a big government conspiracy so we could get a foothold in the Middle East. Blood for oil. Bush lied, children died. Hell no, we won't go. It's worse than that, he's dead Jim. Sic semper tyranus. E pluribus unim. You have proved that fear is not a factor for you. Circle gets the square. Close cover before striking. Got milk? R-O-L-A-I-D-S spells relief. Offer void where prohibited. No deposit, no return. Made in America. Blah.

So what? What do you intend to do about? Pout? Whine? Piss? Moan? Please do.

cellphones from planes?

if cells work so well from planes as the mole says - why did todd beamer allegedly have to resort to the gte airfone?

Yeah!

and if a chicken and a half lays an egg and a half in a day and a half then how long will it take a monkey with a wooden leg to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle and a half?

ask the fbi

again from lisa beamer's,our beloved hero wife's,moronic book:

p.202:

>>by now [during the alleged beamer-jefferson call] THE FBI WAS ON ANOTHER LINE,LISTENING IN,SINCE PART OF GTE'S DISTRESS PROCEDURE IS TO NOTIFY THEM<<.

so there you go:

mr fbi director,or rather coverup director mr mueller turd:

did or didn't you record that fuckin' alleged beamer jefferson call?

if you didn't,why on earth didn't you?

and if you did,as is only logical to suppose,where the hell is the tape?

why hasn't it been made public yet - after 2 years?

why hasn't any fuckin' 911 inquiry subpoenaed that tape - again if it exists - and crosschecked?

the alleged flight 93 black box was played in a special session for the alleged victims' relatives.

why wasn't the same done with the fbi beamer-jefferson tape - again if it's there to begin with?

if there is such a thing as an fbi recording,it would be the only proof - if independently confirmed - of the entire 911 govt story - and you mueller wouldn't use a public airing of the tape to build your case that muslim hijackers did it?

hmmmmmmmmmmmm....

hmmmmmmm.............

no proof for the flight 93 calls

again according to our beloved tv star lisa beamer in her vomit-inducing book,p.207:

>>more than two dozen phone calls were placed from the plane that morning>>.

the plane being flight 93 the one that crashed in pennsylvania.

real pity that conclusive evidence for those alleged 24 calls and counting is scant if any.

we're already seen how evidence for the lets roll bullcrap is zero - unless one hangs from lisa jefferson's cunt.

now,asskisser nr 2,mr longman,in his book among the heroes does mention purported tape evidence for...
but a few of those alleged calls.

we'll take a close look at that comin' up.stay with us.

a short pissing break.

News Flash

Someone needs to read up on CURRENT affairs:

KCNA flails bill on Japanese SDF's overseas dispatch to Iraq
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- The three ruling coalition parties of Japan at the special committee of the House of Representatives on July 3 reportedly railroaded a bill on dispatching the Japanese self-defence forces to Iraq under the pretext of "supporting Iraq in its post-war rehabilitation". The bill will be adopted as a law by the end of this month and the SDF troops will enter Iraq from this fall. This provided the Japanese reactionaries with a permanent legal guarantee for dispatching the SDF to any combat areas in the world and launching expansion overseas in real earnest so as to realize their old dream of the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere".
Japan has always worked hard to launch expansion overseas.
The Japanese reactionaries have become more undisguised in their moves to provide a legislation for overseas aggression since the beginning of the new century.
In October 2001 Japan adopted the "law on special measure on terrorism" and on may 15 this year it adopted three bills on "emergency", thus legalizing the SDF's participation in any war of overseas aggression.
Japan increased the SDF's capability for an actual war by sending it to several parts of the world, while laying a framework for its overseas dispatch.
In 1992 it sent the SDF to Cambodia under the pretext of protecting election observers and in 1994 to Rwanda and after the September 11 incident to Afghanistan, East Timor and other countries expanding the sphere of its activities.
In may last the SDF participated in the U.S.-led cobra gold military exercises, the largest-ever in Asia, and in the subsequent period in Japan-U.S. joint military exercises staged in the U.S. with F-15 fighters and early-warning and control plane of its air SDF involved.
The adoption of a bill on dispatching heavily armed ground, maritime and air SDF at the same time to Iraq for the first time in the history of its overseas dispatch shows well to what a dangerous phase Japan has gone in its moves for its troops' overseas dispatch.
The Japanese reactionaries' dangerous moves for expansion overseas are bound to go bust due to strong censure and condemnation by the Korean and other Asian people.

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Month of anti-U.S. joint struggle marked
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- A meeting, lecture and photo exhibition took place in Kampala, Uganda, and Champlan, France and by the French Group for the Study of the Juche Idea from June 25 to 29 on the occasion of the month (June 25-July 27) of anti-U.S. joint struggle. Chango Machyo, senior advisor to the presidency of Uganda, said at the meeting that the Korean war was a great ordeal to the Korean people, but they defeated the united states and gained a great victory in the war thanks to the outstanding military strategy of President Kim Il Sung.
Andre Aubry, representative president of the France-Korea Friendship Association, stated that the victory of the Korean people in the Korean war greatly encouraged the world people in their struggle for independence.
The chief of the French Group for the Study of the Juche Idea said in a lecture that the sovereignty and peace of Korea are guaranteed by the Songun policy of leader Kim Jong Il.

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Anniversary of Kim Il Sung's demise commemorated abroad
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- Memorial meetings took place in Jordan, Democratic Congo, Romania, Egypt, France and Pakistan from June 30 to July 4 on the occasion of the 9th anniversary of President Kim Il Sung's demise. Political and public figures of those countries made speeches at the meetings.
Speakers said that 9 years have passed and the century changed since Kim Il Sung, the great leader of the Korean people, passed away, but he is always with the Korean people and the progressive people of the world.
Kim Il Sung was the greatest man who had devoted his all to the freedom and happiness of the people to the last moments of his life since he embarked on the road of the revolution in his early years, they said, adding:
Kim Jong Il, the sun of the 21st century, who is identical with Kim Il Sung, the sun of the 20th century, has successfully carried forward his revolutionary cause. And the Korean people will certainly build a great prosperous powerful nation and achieve national reunification, the desire of the nation, under the Songun leadership of Kim Jong Il.
Lectures, seminars and film shows took place in Russia, Bulgaria, Austria, Malaysia, Singapore, Equatorial Guinea and Democratic Congo.

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Many foreign decorations awarded to Kim Il Sung
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- President Kim Il Sung was awarded over 30 orders, medals and prizes and 20 odd honorary titles by different countries and international bodies for the past nine years from July Juche 83 (1994). Among them are highest order, solidarity order, gold medal, medal of honorary citizenship, prize of genius, and titles of honorary academician, professor, doctor and citizenship. On July 17, Juche 83 (1994), the organization of socialists in the mediterranean presented its order first class to the president in recognition of his devoted service for the strengthening and development of the socialist movement and global peace and security.
The socialist progressive party of Lebanon awarded its specially instituted highest order to him for the first time on the lapse of 100 days after his demise.
In Damascus, a meeting took place to name a newly-built street "Kim Il Sung Street" and a decision on awarding an honorary citizenship to the president was issued in April Juche 91 (2002), his 90th birth anniversary.
He also received Sukarno Order of Indonesia, titles of honorary academician and doctor of the international information technology academy, prize and citation of the permanent office for Afro-Asian writers, title of honorary doctor of pedagogy of Chiclayo University in Peru, gold medal and honorary diploma of the French institute for the fidelity in work, and titles of honorary citizenship, medals and diplomas of honor from ten odd cities of Peru, Ecuador and other countries.
Those orders, medals, prizes and honorary titles are diverse and rich in content and they were exceptional in the practice of awarding.
This is a manifestation of the world people's deep reverence and praise for the president as well as clear evidence of his high international prestige.

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Message to Kim Jong Il from Norodom Sihanouk
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Il received a message from Cambodian King Norodom Sihanouk on July 1 on the occasion of the 9th anniversary of President Kim Il Sung's demise. The message recalled that by wisely leading the Korean people Kim Il Sung liberated the country and achieved world-startling proud and great successes in economy, social affairs, education, culture, science and technology, industry and all other fields of the country and thus turned the DPRK into an independent and progressive modern state.
It noted that the Cambodians and the king himself would always remember the most precious and warm brotherly reception, support and cordial hospitality accorded to him by the president and the multilateral and disinterested aid given by the DPRK to Cambodia in various fields.
The message expressed belief that the heroic Korean people would make new progress in the building of the country and in the cause of achieving the reunification of the Korean peninsula independently and peacefully to glorify his immortal exploits under the wise leadership of Kim Jong Il.
The message expressed conviction that the excellent ties of friendship, fraternal solidarity and multilateral cooperation between the two peoples would last forever.

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Special information bulletin published
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- The Paektusan Czech-Korean Friendship Association published a special information bulletin on the occasion of the 9th anniversary of the demise of President Kim Il Sung. In an article titled "The Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung Will Always Be Remembered By The People" the bulletin said that the demise of the president, the greatest leader of the Korean people and the world progressives and a distinguished revolutionary, was a big loss not only to the Korean people but to all the progressive people in the world. The president led the arduous anti-Japanese armed struggle to victory to achieve liberation of the country, enabled the Korean people to emerge the most proud and strongest people in the world and built the DPRK into a beautiful and developing powerful socialist country on debris after the war, it noted.
In another article titled "Mansu Hill pervaded with reverence for President Kim Il Sung" the bulletin said: Thousands of people from the DPRK and different other countries and regions visit his statue on Mansu Hill in Pyongyang every day to pay tribute to him. He will always be remembered by the Korean people and the world progressives.

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Korea, cradle of human civilization
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- Archaeologists of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have recently proved that the Korean nation had introduced astronomy in their life from ancient times. While studying grooves on the covers of the dolmens, a typical form of tomb in the period of Tangun Korea, archaeologists ascertained in a scientific way that the grooves are the same with constellations at that time.
Among them are the great bear, the milky way and comet.
The sizes of the grooves are different according to the luminance of the stars. Some grooves linked with each other by lines show what constellations they are.
Over 200 of several hundred dolmens with such grooves have been found in Pyongyang and other areas along the River Taedong.
The dolmens belong to the period from the first half of the 3000s b.c. (4,500-5,000 years ago) to the latter half of the 2000s b.c. (3,000-3,500 years ago).

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Undying exploits of Kim Hyong Jik
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- July 10 is the 109th birth anniversary of Kim Hyong Jik, an indomitable revolutionary fighter. With the approach of this anniversary, a large number of people have visited his statues in different parts of the country. They look back with deep emotion the immortal feats he performed in the history of the Korean people's anti-Japanese national liberation struggle. He embarked on the road of revolution in his early years and devoted his all to the independence of the country and the happiness of the people.
He convened the historic Pyongyang meeting on March 23, Juche 6 (1917) and formed the Korean national association, the largest underground revolutionary organization in Korea at that time. The anti-Japanese organization embraced Koreans at home and abroad.
Kim Hyong Jik put forward policies of the proletarian revolution, revolutionary armed activities, etc. and rallied broad segments of people in the anti-Japanese struggle.
He advanced the idea of "Jiwon" (aim high) that the liberation of the country should be achieved through struggle continued generation after generation. He, under the motto of "Jiwon", brought up his children to be indomitable revolutionaries.
His idea was successfully materialized by President Kim Il Sung, his eldest son. The president liberated the country and built a powerful socialist state on this land.
The noble life and exploits of Kim Hyong Jik have always been kept in the memory of the Korean people.
His statues, museums and monuments were built in Kangdong county of Pyongyang, Sakju county of North Phyongan Province, Junggang county of Jagang Province and other places of the country associated with his revolutionary activities.
Schools, units and places were named after him. Among them are Kim Hyong Jik University of Education, Kim Hyong Jik Military Medical University, Kim Hyong Jik People's Hospital and Kim Hyong Jik county.
Feature films including "The Green Pine Tree" and "Dawn" have been released and books published on the basis of his life and activities. "Green Pine Standing on Nam Hill," "Song of Advance" and other songs created by him are still popular among the people.

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Drop of "theory of principal enemy" urged
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- The South Korean military authorities' advocacy of the "theory of principal enemy" is aimed to direct the people's hatred against the U.S. imperialists to the fellow countrymen in the north. They should immediately drop this theory, pondering over the consequences to be entailed by its advocacy.
Minju Joson today says this in a signed commentary.
It goes on:
The South Korean military authorities in teaching materials titled "moral education" distributed among frontline units called the government, the army and the citizens in the north "principal enemies".
They called their fellow countrymen the "principal enemy" and openly declared confrontation at a time when all Koreans are out in a nationwide struggle for reconciliation and unity, peace and reunification in the idea of "by our nation itself" under the banner of the June 15 Joint Declaration.
This is an unpardonable challenge to the desire of the fellow countrymen.
Their advocacy of this theory is intended to serve the purpose of the strategy of the U.S. imperialists to replace the confrontation between the entire Korean nation and the U.S. on the Korean peninsula by that between the two parts of Korea.
Their vociferation about this theory clearly indicates that they are acting a servant pulling the nuclear war chariot of the U.S. imperialists.

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U.S. loudmouthed "naval blockade" against DPRK blasted
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- Some days ago, Luis, member of the policy advisory committee of the U.S. Defense Department, when interviewed by the Japanese Sankei Shimbun, asserted the need to make naval blockade against the DPRK. He cried out for throwing a network of blockade in waters off Nampho, Anju, Wonsan, Chongjin and others to intercept all its "suspicious ships" and inspect their cargo. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary dismisses his remarks as part of the U.S. media diatribe aimed to veil the criminal nature of its naval blockade against the DPRK.
No sleight of hand on the part of the U.S. can cover up the criminal nature of its naval blockade, notes the commentary.
Referring to international law and norms governing international relations including the un charter and the convention on the un law of the sea, the commentary holds that the naval blockade against the DPRK is a grave criminal act of infringing upon the sovereignty of an independent state, an unreasonable terrorism in the sea and a gross violation of international law.
Such brigandish naval blockade of the U.S. is as dangerous an act as igniting a new war on the Korean peninsula, the commentary observes, and continues: paragraph 15 of the Armistice Agreement stipulates that all opposing parties shall not engage in blockade of any kind of Korea.
In case the U.S. conducts naval blockade against the DPRK and lays an "international siege" to it, this may soon lead to the total abrogation of the armistice agreement. then there is no need to explain what this means.

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North side's delegation leaves for Seoul
Pyongyang, July 9 (KCNA) -- The north side's delegation led by Kim Ryong Song, chief councillor of the DPRK cabinet, left here today to participate in the 11th inter-Korean ministerial talks to be held in Seoul. It was seen off at the airport by Minister of Culture Kang Nung Su, director of the secretariat of the committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland An Kyong Ho, first vice-chairman of the state planning commission Pak Chang Ryon who is chairman of the north side of the north-south committee for the promotion of economic cooperation and officials concerned.

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kim il sung recibio muchas ordenes, medallas, premios y titulos de honor
pyongyang, 9 de julio (atcc) -- el presidente kim il sung recibio, durante 9 anos ultimos desde julio del 83 (1994) de la era juche hasta hoy, mas de 30 ordenes, medallas y premios, entre otros, la orden suprema y la de solidaridad, la medalla de oro y la medalla de ciudadano honorario y el premio de genio y mas de 20 titulos honorificos, entre otros, el academico, el profesor, el doctor y el ciudadano de varios paises del mundo y organizaciones internacionales. el 17 de julio del 83 (1994) de la era juche, la organizacion de los socialistas en la region mediterranea le otorgo la orden de primer grado de su entidad al presidente quien se consagro para el fortalecimiento y el desarrollo del movimiento socialista y para la paz y la seguridad del mundo.
con motivo de los 100 dias del fallecimiento del presidente, el partido progresista socialista del libano le concedio la orden suprema de su partido, establecida nueva y especialmente.
en abril del 91 (2002) de la era juche en que se cumple el 90 aniversario de su nacimiento, en damasco de siria se celebro un acto para denominar una avenida nuevamente construida en esta capital "avenida kim il sung" y en la ocasion fue publicada una resolucion de otorgar al presidente el certificado de ciudadano honorario.
le fueron otorgados la orden soekarno de indonesia, los titulos de academico y doctor honorarios de la academia internacional de tecnica de informatica, el premio y el diploma de la oficina permanente afro-asiatica de escritores, el titulo de doctor honoris causa de pedagogia de la universidad de chiclayo del peru, y otras las ordenes, medallas, premios y titulos honorarios de varios paises.

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abiertas maniobras de japon para enviar efectivos a ultramar
pyongyang, 9 de julio (atcc) -- segun informaciones, en la comision especial de la camara de representantes de japon los tres partidos de coalicion en el poder aprobaron por fuerza el proyecto de ley que permite el envio de "las "fuerzas de autodefensa" a irak bajo el rotulo de "apoyo a la reconstruccion posbelica de ese pais". segun eso, se preve aprobar oficialmente como ley este proyecto a finales del mes en curso y enviar las "fuerzas de autodefensa" desde el otono venidero a ese pais. esto demuestra que mediante esta oportunidad los reaccionarios japoneses tratan de procurar una garantia legitima perpetua para mandar sus "fuerzas de autodefensa" a cualquier region de combate del mundo y de tomar de modo directo el camino de la expansion a ultramar para realizar el antiguo sueno de la "esfera de coprosperidad de la gran asia oriental".
ya, hace mucho tiempo que venian tornandose abiertas las maniobras de japon para la expansion a ultramar.
en el nuevo siglo se tornaron mas graves las maquinaciones de los reaccionarios japoneses para preparar la garantia juridica para la agresion a ultramar.
aprobaron en octubre de 2001 la "ley de medidas especiales contra el terrorismo" y el 15 de mayo de este ano los tres proyectos de ley para el "tiempo de emergencia", que justifican la participacion de las "fuerzas de autodefensa" en la guerra de agresion a ultramar.
japon ha elevado la capacidad de combate real enviando "esas fuerzas" a varios lugares del mundo.
mando en 1992 sus "fuerzas de autodefensa" a camboya so pretexto de proteger a los custodios de las elecciones, en 1994 a ruanda y en el periodo posterior al "caso del 11 de septiembre" a afganistan, timor este y otros lugares ampliando la esfera de actividades de las "fuerzas de autodefensa".
en mayo pasado participo en el ejercicio militar "cobra gold" que se efectuo en mayor envergadura en asia bajo la direccion de ee.uu. y seguidamente en el simulacro conjunto que se realizaba en este pais con la movilizacion de "f-15" y "awacs".
esta vez, japon se propone enviar a la vez las "fuerzas terrestres, maritimas y aereas de autodefensa" bien armadas a irak. esto demuestra a que grado han llegado las maniobras de ese pais isleno para enviar sus efectivos a ultramar.
esas maquinaciones peligrosas no podran evitar el fracaso por la fuerte protesta y condenacion del pueblo coreano y los demas pueblos de asia.

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flagrante atentado a la soberania del estado soberano
pyongyang, 9 de julio (atcc) -- hace poco, luis edwrd, miembro consultivo de politica de pentagono del ee.uu., en una entrevista con el periodico japones "sankei shimbun", senalo que "hace falta el bloqueo maritimo" contra la republica popular democratica de corea y que es necesario formar una red de bloqueo sobre los mares frente a nampho, anju, wonsan y chongjin para detener todos los "barcos sospechosos" y averiguar sus cargas. esto es un eslabon de la estrategia de prensa para ocultar la caracteristica criminal de la operacion de bloqueo maritimo contra la rpdc. con ninguna artimana ee.uu. puede cubrir su criminalidad del bloqueo maritimo.
asi senala el diario "rodong sinmun" en un comentario individual de hoy.
el periodico se refiere a la ley internacional y normas de relaciones internacionales incluyendo la carta de la onu y el convenio sobre la ley maritima de esta entidad internacional y continua:
el bloqueo maritimo contra la rpdc constituye un grave acto criminal que atenta a la soberania del estado soberano, un terror maritimo que carece de ninguna justedad, una flagrante violacion a la ley internacional y un acto peligroso para desatar una nueva guerra en la peninsula coreana.
el articulo 15 del acuerdo de armisticio de corea define que se prohibe el cualquier bloqueo contra corea.
si ee.uu. realiza el bloqueo maritimo y forma una "red de cerco internacional" contra la rpdc, esto engendrara la anulacion completa del acuerdo de armisticio y, a la larga, una nueva guerra.
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Kim Jong Il nominated as candidate for 11th SPA
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- Electorate meetings took place at all constituencies across the country to nominate candidates for deputies to the 11th Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK. Kim Jong Il, General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, Chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission and Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army, was nominated as a candidate for the SPA at the meetings held at all the constituencies.
Each meeting courteously proposed to nominate Kim Jong Il as a candidate for the 11th SPA at each constituency as unanimously desired by all the voters.
The voters fully supported and approved the proposal reflecting the unanimous will of all the servicemen and civilians. The meetings declared that Kim Jong Il has been nominated as a candidate for the 11th SPA.
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Anniversary of Kim Il Sung's demise commemorated
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- A memorial meeting of youth and students in Pyongyang "the leader will always be with the young people thanks to the general" took place before the statue of President Kim Il Sung on Mansu Hill of Pyongyang on July 6 on the occasion of the 9th anniversary of his demise. The meeting began with an ode and song "strong yearning". Ri Hang Jun, secretary of the Central Committee of the Kim Il Sung Socialist Youth League, said in a speech that Kim Jong Il opened a new history of perpetuating the memory of the president, reflecting the ardent longing of the youth and students and all other people for him and their strong desire to hold him in high esteem as the eternal sun of Juche.
Young people from all walks of life renewed their determination to devotedly defend Kim Jong Il and uphold the Songun politics of the Workers' Party of Korea in the van, always keeping in mind the president's behests on holding Kim Jong Il in higher esteem.
Kim Jung Rin, secretary of the Central Committee of the WPK, Kim Kyong Ho, first secretary of the c.c. of the league, and others were present at the meeting.
A memorial stage of agricultural workers "the fatherly leader is still with our farmers in Yonbaek plain" was held in Ohyon-ri, Yonan county, South Hwanghae Province on the same day.
Sung Sang Sop, chairman of the Central Committee of the Union of Agricultural Workers of Korea, said in a speech that Kim Il Sung devoted all his efforts to the development of the country's agriculture and the happiness of the people, always mixing with the farmers, adding that he was the father of the people peerless in history.
There was a presentation of art pieces including a female vocal solo "the leader is without an equal in the world", a mixed duet "the general is identical to the leader" and women's quintet "fully ripe rice sways on either side of the road to the front". It successfully represented the revolutionary enthusiasm of the agricultural workers.

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Committee for Remembering Kim Il Sung formed in Britain
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- A British Committee for Remembering President Kim Il Sung was formed with due ceremony in London on July 3. At the ceremony, Andy Brooks, General Secretary of the C.C., the New Communist Party of Britain, was elected chairman of the committee.
The committee set a memorial period from July 3 to 30 and decided to hold a memorial meeting, seminar, film show, photo exhibition and other events in the period.

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Day of Korean people's war victory to be marked in Egypt
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- A preparatory committee was formed in Egypt to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Korean people's victory in the Fatherland Liberation War (July 27). Yehia Jakariya Khairallah, chairman of the Egyptian Committee for the Study of the Juche Idea, was elected chairman of the preparatory committee.
The committee decided to arrange seminars on famous works of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il and their enduring feats, a celebration meeting, film show, photo exhibition and other events on the occasion of July 27.

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Greetings to Nepalese King
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly, sent a message of greetings to Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev, King of Nepal, on Sunday. Warmly congratulating the king on his birthday, Kim in the message wholeheartedly wished him greater success in the work for national stability and prosperity.

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It introduced into agriculture
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- The agricultural sector is focusing on it and its introduction in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Agronomists of the computer centre at the Academy of Agricultural Science have already gained some successes in the work -- the comprehensive estimation of the country's land resources productivity, dividing of agro-ecological zones, crop growth forecast, distribution of varieties, selecting of the right time to manure and cultivate crops during the sowing and rice-transplanting season and according to farming operations, decision of a crop estimate and so on.
These research hits are now available to the agricultural producers across the country through the network.
They were applied last year to the farming of the Migok Cooperative Farm in Sariwon city, North Hwanghae Province.
This year South Hwanghae and other provinces will benefit from them.
Ri Yong Gu, director of the computer centre, said that the application of high technology to agricultural production is not only an important potentiality for increasing the country's agricultural production under the present investment environment but a prerequisite to the it industry.
The Ministry of Agriculture plans to launch the it-based output increase programme as a nationwide undertaking and is working on the application of agricultural information.

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U.S. attempt to abuse name of UN blasted
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- The United States recently distributed copies of its "draft statement" critical of the DPRK among member states of the U.N. security council in a bid to have a "statement of its president" adopted and desperately lobbied for achieving its objective. But its bid proved futile due to the opposition of some countries. Rodong Sinmun today carries a signed commentary in this regard.
The commentary says:
Such move of the United States is an act of disregarding the principles of the U.N. Charter as it branded the DPRK's just measures to defend its sovereignty as unjust ones by making a profound confusion of the relations between the arch criminal, who spawned the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula, and its victim.
Through this the U.S. sought to convince the international community of the danger of nuclear development" in the DPRK and pit the U.N. against Pyongyang in a bid to get a justification for pursuing its policy of aggression against the DPRK.
It is none other than the United States that compelled the DPRK to build up a strong physical deterrent force. The U.S. is persistently pulling up the DPRK over its "nuclear issue" and working hard to bring it up for discussion at the U.N. in a bid to get it take any "step" against Pyongyang while keeping mum about the nuclear weaponization of Japan, Israel and its other allies. This clearly indicates its unjust act of applying "double standards" in handling the nuclear issue, away from the principle of impartiality.
The DPRK and the United States are committed to respect the U.N. Charter and abide by all its principles as members of the U.N. All its member states are equal and none of them has the right to impose its will and demand upon other member states.
It is an insult and a mockery of the U.N. for the U.S. to attempt to take any "measure" against the DPRK through the U.N. forum.
If the U.N. Security Council takes any "action" critical of the DPRK contrary to its stand and interests, as demanded by the U.S. it will leave an indelible blot on the U.N. history as it will be little short of encouraging U.S. arbitrary practices and moves for hegemony.
Pressure or blackmail will not help solve the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula. Dialogue and negotiations are the only way of settling it.

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"Theory of principal enemy" peddled by S. Korean military refuted
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland issued a statement on July 6 accusing the South Korean military authorities of vociferating again about the "theory of principal enemy" in a bid to bedevil the inter-Korean relations. The statement says:
The "Ministry of National Defence" of South Korea in teaching materials titled "moral education" distributed among frontline units called not only the government, the army and the citizens in the north but South Koreans and the world peace-loving people supporting the north "principal enemies".
The "theory of principal enemy" can never go together with the "policy of peace and prosperity."
Although the South Korean authorities are talking about a "policy of peace and prosperity", they are, in fact, pursuing confrontation and war. This is clearly evidenced by their loudmouthed "theory of principal enemy."
The South Korean military authorities are calling the fellow countrymen in the north "principal enemies" while treating the U.S. troops stationed in South Korea, the outsiders, like an ancestral tablet. This is, however, nothing but the shriek of the doomed.
The advocacy of the "theory of principal enemy" will only bring war, disaster and self-destruction. The South Korean military authorities should know well that they will be held entirely accountable before the nation for the irretrievably serious consequences to be entailed by their fresh racket.

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KCNA lays bare true colours of Japan as war criminal state
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- The "remembrance, responsibility and future" fund of Germany on June 30 declared that it has paid reparations to the tune of 2.3 billion euro to 1.37 million victims to forced labor of 70 countries of the world including Russia and Ukraine from June 2001 to June 2003. It is said that the fund will continue compensating till 2005, with the funds coming from the federal budget and private companies of Germany.
As is well known, Germany, a war criminal state in Europe, has sincerely paid reparations and made compensation for scores of years to those nations and individuals that fell victim to fascist Germany in one way or the other during the Second World War after deeming it a state responsibility to compensate for the war crimes and apologizing for them.
According to information available, Germany paid 122.3 billion mark equivalent to 7,900 billion yen as reparations by the end of the 20th century.
But the attitude taken by Japan, another war criminal state in Asia, is quite the opposite.
Japan has paid only 356, 552.07 million yen in compensation according to article 14 a of the San Francisco Peace Pact which stipulates that "Japan admits that it has to compensate allies for damage and sufferings it inflicted upon them during the war" and bilateral treaty and agreement signed in the subsequent period.
Japan had refused to apologize to the Asian people for its crimes committed against them for half a century. Only on the 50th anniversary of its defeat it made a "repentance" for mere form's sake through the so-called "Statement of Murayama (the then prime minister)."
It was no more than a verbal repentance and apology. Japan has not made any sincere compensation or reparation for mental, human and material damage it did to the Korean people.
During its colonial military rule over Korea the Japanese imperialists forcibly drafted more than 8.4 million young and middle-aged Koreans and killed over one million Koreans.
A special mention should be made of the fact that they forced more than 200,000 Korean women into sexual slavery for the imperial Japanese army and killed many of them in cold blood.
The Japanese imperialists indiscriminately destroyed or looted valuable cultural heritages handed down by ancestors and plundered Korea of natural resources and products without limit.
The crimes committed by Japan in the past are too many to enumerate. Yet, there is no prospect of Japan's redress for them though nearly 60 years have passed since its defeat.
Even in this new century Japan is talking about a "peace state," a "normal state" and "future", keeping mum about the aggression and plunder it committed against Korea and other Asian countries. On the contrary it is keen to emerge a military power and launch expansion overseas.
This is clearly evidenced by the fact that on July 4 shortly after it was reported that Germany has made fresh efforts to carve out its future after getting understanding from countries around it by liquidating its gloomy past, Japan was so brazen-faced as to approve at its diet a bill on dispatching heavily armed self-defence force to Iraq.
Japan is getting more zealous than any other countries in supporting the U.S. in its strategy to stifle the DPRK over the "nuclear issue." This poses a great threat not only to the Korean peninsula but to the rest part of Asia.
japan is greatly mistaken, however.
The Korean nation is by no means what it used to be in the past and Asia today is not what it was in the past, either.
The army and the people of the DPRK will resolutely foil Japan's moves to launch reinvasion of Korea under the uplifted banner of Songun to protect the peace and stability on the peninsula and in the rest of Asia.

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Greetings to President of Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
Pyongyang, July 7 (KCNA) -- Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly, on July 3 sent a message of greetings to Hugo Chavez Frias, President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, on the occasion of its Independence Day. In the belief that the friendly and cooperative ties between the two countries would grow stronger in the future, the message sincerely wished the president fresh success in his work for protecting the sovereignty of the country and the well-being of the people.

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kim jong il dirige sobre terreno la labor de varios sectores de ciudad de kanggye
pyongyang, 7 de julio (atcc) -- el dirigente kim jong il, secretario general del partido del trabajo de corea y presidente del comite de defensa nacional de la republica popular democratica de corea dirigio sobre el terreno la labor de varios sectores de la ciudad de kanggye. el dirigente recorrio la posada kanggye, historico edificio donde se alojo el presidente kim il sung cuando recorrio en marzo de 1923 el camino de mil ries de estudio hacia mangyongdae.
al recorrer el lugar de construccion de la central hidroelectrica juventud hungju no. 2 que se construye abajo del rio jangja evaluo altamente las orgullosas proezas de los miembros de la brigada de choque juvenil quienes aceleran energicamente la construccion de la central en etapa final.
una vez construida esta planta de gran potencia sera posible realizar mas satisfactoriamente la electrificacion de la ciudad de kanggye, senalo el y presento las tareas que se presentan para anticipar la construccion de la central.
visito la fabrica de alimentos basicos de kanggye donde recorrio el taller de salsa y pasta de soya, la sala de manejo de computacion y otros varios procesos de produccion para enterarse de los detalles del estado de los equipos tecnicos y de produccion.
acto seguido, recorriendo el interior y el exterior de la planta avicola de hungju que se construye sobre el area total de mas de 20 hectareas presento las tareas programaticas que sirven de guia para desarrollar trascendentalmente la avicultura.
el secretario general visito el centro de genetica de conejo de kanggye nuevamente erguido donde hizo conocimiento concreto del estado de construccion y de cria y cuidado y enseno que este centro es un centro de genetica que dispone de los procesos de produccion basados en la ciencia y tecnica modernas y fue construido con una firme base de pienso.
al visitar el hotel inphung de kanggye reconstruido enseno encarecidamente la necesidad de asegurar las mas excelentes condiciones de vida a los habitantes que viven en el nuevo siglo.
acto seguido, dirigio sobre el terreno la escuela secundaria heroe de jangjasan no. 1 de kanggye de la honrosa bandera roja de dos veces.
recorrio la tabla de presentacion de heroes y la de noticias de puestos y otros especiales medios visuales en pasillo la sala de unecistas, la de educacion en la conciencia clasista y la defensa de la patria, la de computacion, la de musica, la de suministro de leche de soya, la de maestros y otros varios lugares y participo en la clase de fisica de los alumnos del segundo grupo del tercer grado para enterarse minuciosamente del estado de la labor de ensenanza y educacion de la escuela.
senalo que la labor de formacion de generaciones es la importante que decide la prosperidad o decadencia del pais y presento las tareas programaticas que se presentan en la labor de ensenanza y educacion.
el dirigente obsequio piano y numerosas computadoras a la escuela.
acto seguido, miro el panorama de la ciudad de kanggye en que esta rebosando de la vitalidad del socialismo.
al mirar las avenidas extendidas limpiamente en las orillas del rio jangja que se ha convertido en un gran lago artificial, las creaciones construidas nuevamente en la epoca del songun y los orgullos aspectos de los ciudadanos que van al lugar de trabajo, llenos del romanticismo y la alegria, se mostro muy satisfecho de que la ciudad de kanggye se ha convertido en la de paraiso.
los habitantes de la provincia de jagang quienes se hicieron mil veces fuertes a traves de la "marcha penosa" y la marcha forzada, acondicionaron con sus fuerzas propias toda la ciudad y aldeas como un paraiso de felicidad, dijo el y evaluo altamente el entusiasmo patriotico de los funcionarios, miembros del partido y los demas trabajadores de la provincia, valientes precursores quienes abren con inflexible voluntad el nuevo siglo lleno de esperanza.
le acompanaron el secretario responsable del comite del ptc en la provincia de jagang yon hyong muk, el secretario kim kuk thae y los primeros subjefes de departamento jang song thaek y choe chun hwang, del cc del ptc.

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recomiendan a kim jong il como candidato al diputado a la aps
pyongyang, 7 de julio (atcc) -- las asambleas de los votantes para elegir a los candidatos para diputados a la xi legislatura de la asamblea popular suprema de la republica popular democratica de corea tuvieron lugar en todos los distritos electorales del pais. las asambleas eligieron al dirigente kim jong il, secretario general del partido del trabajo de corea, presidente del comite de defensa nacional de la rpdc y comandante supremo del ejercito popular de corea como candidato para diputado a la aps.
propusieron cortesmente elegirlo como candidato para diputado a la xi legislatura de la aps en sus respectivos distritos electorales recogiendo un unanime deseo de todos los votantes.
todos los electores expresaron entero apoyo y aprobacion a la proposicion de todos los oficiales y soldados del epc y los demas habitantes.
en las asambleas fue declarado que el dirigente fue elegido candidato para diputado a la xi legislatura de la aps de la rpdc de los respectivos distritos electorales.
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japon, pais criminal de guerra de asia - comentario de atcc -
pyongyang, 7 de julio (atcc) -- el fondo "la recordacion, la responsabilidad y el futuro" de alemania publico el 30 de junio que en el periodo de junio de 2001 a junio de 2003 habia hecho indemnizacion de 2 300 millones de euros para 1 370 000 personas danadas por el trabajo forzoso en el pasado de 70 paises incluidas rusia y ucrania. y expuso la disposicion de continuarla hasta el ano 2005 a traves del presupuesto federal y los fondos recolectados de las companias privadas de alemania. segun estadisticas, el valor de remuneracion de alemania hasta finales del siglo xx llega a 122 300 millones de marcos (7.9 billones de yenes en moneda japonesa).
?que actitud toma japon, pais criminal de guerra de asia?
no pasa de ser 356 552 070 000 yenes la suma total que este pais isleno indemnizo segun el articulo 14 (a) del tratado de paz de san francisco en que "japon reconoce su deber de recompensar a los paises aliados por los danos y sufrimientos causados en la guerra" y segun los posteriores tratados y convenios bilaterales.
los imperialistas japoneses, durante su dominacion militar colonial sobre corea, se llevaron por coercion a mas de 8 millones 400 mil jovenes y adultos coreanos y asesinaron a mas de un millon.
para colmo, secuestraron a 200 mil coreanas para ofrecerlas como esclavas sexuales a los efectivos japoneses y asesinarlas cruelmente.
tambien, destruyeron y saquearon a diestro y siniestro y se apropiaron de los preciosos patrimonios culturales, inmensos recursos naturales y productos de corea.
pero, hasta la fecha a cerca de 60 anos del termino de la segunda guerra mundial japon no da ni un hilo de perspectiva para la liquidacion de sus actos criminales de tamano ultragrande.
hoy en dia, ese pais isleno se adhiere mas activamente que nadie a la estrategia de ee.uu. de aplastar la republica popular democratica de corea bajo el pretexto del "problema nuclear", lo cual constituye una gran amenaza a la peninsula coreana y toda la region asiatica.
pero, japon se equivoca.
la nacion coreana no es la de ayer y asia de hoy no es la de ayer.
el ejercito y el pueblo de corea, con la bandera del songun (priorizacion militar) en alto, quebraran tajantemente las garras de nueva agresion de japon y preservaran la paz y la seguridad de la peninsula coreana y el resto de asia.
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no proof for 93 calls

again from longman's book,among the heroes,p 278:

>>jack grandcolas played for me a tape of the call that his wife lauren made from flight 93>>:

now:why on earth shoul we believe whatever jere longman or jack grandcolas - if he exists at all - allegedly said or played?

why hasn't this alleged grandcolas tape been mede public?

played to all victims' relatives like the black box?

why hasn't any inquiry into 911 subpoenaed this alleged grandcolas tape and verified it?

what proves to us that it's authentic - again idf indeed it exists at all?

what is this? gospel truth?

Right On!!

Excellent!

So Lisa Beemer et.al. are all lying.

The Proof? The phone calls either weren't recorded or the tapes haven't been released.

Faulty Logic? You bet!

I've never seen a bunch of dolts SO desperate or unwilling to accept such a simple and obvious truth. I mean, what exactly is the mystery. The WORLD revolves around cellphone communication. Are you actually arguing that in such a situation that NO ONE would think to use one?

Idiots. Actually, I take that back. You all are not idiots. You know the calls happened, after all, none of you will offer any idea as to why so many people would lie and murder their loved ones.

You'd honestly be better off arguing that the Towers themselves are still standing.

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Greetings to Nigerian President
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK, on May 2 sent a message of greetings to Olusegun Obasanjo upon his reelection as President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. His reelection is an expression of the deep trust and expectation of the Nigerian government and people, the message said.
It expressed belief that the excellent relations of friendship and cooperation existing between the two countries would grow stronger and wished him greater success in his work.

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Memorial service in S. Korea
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- A memorial service for Kim Se Jin and Ri Jae Ho, martyrs of national liberation, took place at the plaza of Seoul National University on April 28, according to a news report. Kim and Ri, postgraduate and student of Seoul National University, burnt themselves to death at the Sinrim crossroads of Seoul on April 28, 1986, chanting "no war, no nuke, Yankees, go home" in protest against the U.S. moves to make South Korea its nuclear base.
Ra Chang Sun, chairman of the south headquarters of the National Alliance for the Country's Reunification, in a memorial address said: Now that the U.S. imperialists' moves for war are being escalated, we should not forget the slogan for national reunification against the U.S. shouted by the martyrs but turn out in the struggle to achieve independence and peace.
A memorial poem was recited and a performance on the subject of "Yankees, listen" was given at the memorial service.
Then the participants held a meeting on the situation.
At the meeting speakers said that in this land workers have been reduced to wage slaves, peasants to debt slaves owing to the U.S. pressure on market opening and the failure in agricultural policy, the poor in towns to slaves of living and youth and students to war slaves. Which was caused by the U.S. escalating war moves and undisguised economic aggression, they said.

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Anecdote about Kim Jong Il
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) - General Secretary Kim Jong Il gave on-the-spot guidance to the newly built syringe factory on December 19, Juche 89 (2000). After looking round its production processes, he said he would take some injectors produced there for test use.
A few days later, he met an official and told him that he had got injections with the syringes and some of them had pained him. And he said that the pain might be caused by needles, so efforts should be directed to improving the quality of needles for people and servicemen.

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Bush administration's Korea policy accused
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- The U.S. newspaper the New York Times on April 29 carried an article criticizing the Bush administration's Korea policy. The article said that Bush's assertion about North Korea's threat to the U.S. is a sheer falsification of truth.
It was none other than Bush who listed North Korea as well as Iraq as part of an "axis of evil" without any clear ground and threatened North Korea by invading Iraq in violation of international law, it noted, adding it is nothing surprising that North Korea deemed it necessary to have nukes not to threaten the U.S. but to deter the U.S. threat of attack.
The world will be put in danger once again due to the cowboy's buffoonery of the Bush administration, it added.

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U.S. urged to make switchover in its DPRK policy
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- The DPRK will follow the U.S. attitude, Rodong Sinmun today says in a signed commentary urging the United States to make a bold switchover in its policy toward the DPRK. It goes on:
No sooner had the DPRK-U.S. talks come to an end in Beijing than the U.S. ruling quarters vociferated about "cooperation" with Japan and South Korea. They went to the lengths of asserting that the matter of bringing the "nuclear issue" of North Korea up for discussion at the un security council again to make it adopt a statement critical of the DPRK is on an anvil.
These facts go to prove that the U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK and its sinister intention to isolate and stifle the DPRK remain unchanged even after the DPRK-U.S. talks.
At the talks arranged with much effort the DPRK set forth a new bold proposal to clear up the bilateral concerns of the DPRK and the U.S., the parties concerned with the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, prompted by the desire to prevent a war on the Korean Peninsula and achieve durable peace and security.
The U.S., however, repeated its old assertion that the DPRK should "scrap its nuclear program before dialogue" without advancing any new proposal at the talks.
The DPRK will mobilize all its potentials to bolster the war deterrent force in every way as long as the U.S. keeps pursuing its hostile policy toward the DPRK. If the U.S. does not positively respond to the DPRK's bold proposal, it will be held accountable for scuttling all efforts for dialogue and seriously straining the situation.

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Anniversary of Kim Jong Il's work marked
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- Rodong Sinmun today dedicates an article to the 12th anniversary of Kim Jong Il's famous work "Our Socialism Centred On the Masses Shall Not Perish". The work clearly proves that Korean-style socialism centred on the masses is invincible as it is based on the Juche idea and the single-hearted unity of the leader, the party and the popular masses and provides the people with an independent and creative life.
Saying that the past 12 years since the publication of the work clearly testified to the validity of Kim Jong Il's ideas and theories, the article notes that his Songun policy serves as an ever-victorious treasured sword as it makes it possible for Korean-style socialism centred on the masses to fully demonstrate its advantages and might.
It continues:
The Songun policy helps further project the popular nature of our socialism and reliably guarantee the people's requirements for independence and interests and the sovereign right and dignity of the country and the nation and protect them from all forms of aggression on the part of imperialist reactionaries.
The Songun policy provides a sure guarantee for our socialism's advance in reliance upon the might of single-hearted unity and paves the way of building a socialist land of bliss for people.
This policy serves as a treasured sword also because it helped achieve the single-hearted unity of the party, the army and the people with the headquarters of the revolution as its core, the unbreakable harmonious whole.
It is thanks to this policy that the army and the people are closely linked by the true comradely relationship as they share life and death with each other in devotedly defending the headquarters of the revolution and all members of our society are so single-heartedly united that the army and the people have one and the same idea and fighting spirit.
The Songun policy not only helped increase the defence capacity of the country but bring about a great surge in all fields of socialist construction, the article concludes.

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Valuable tradition of great national unity
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- A new epochal phase has been opened in the efforts of the Korean people for the country's reunification. Since the publication of the historic June 15 North-South Joint Declaration on reunifying the country independently with concerted efforts of the Korean nation, the distrust and misunderstanding between the north and the south have been gradually diminished and all the Koreans are turning out in the efforts to reunify the country.
The idea of great national unity acceptable to all Koreans was provided nearly 70 years ago.
President Kim Il Sung founded on May 5, Juche 25 (1936) the Fatherland Restoration Association (FRA), the first anti-Japanese national united front involving all the patriotic forces, for the purpose of liberating the country with concerted efforts of the nation.
No sooner had the FRA been founded than it enjoyed full support from the entire Korean nation and developed to be an anti-Japanese, patriotic force embracing people of all social strata including workers, peasants, youth, students, intellectuals, patriotic landlords and local capitalists. It also strengthened as a pan-national organization with its branches at home and abroad and thus made a great contribution to achieving the cause of national liberation.
The idea of the great unity of the whole nation advanced in the 10-point programme of the fatherland restoration association is reflected in the three principles of national reunification, the 10-point programme of the great unity of the whole nation for the reunification of the country and the proposal for founding the Democratic Federal Republic of Koryo. It has pushed ahead with the Korean people's cause of national reunification.
The precious tradition of great national unity still inspires all the Koreans in the north, south and abroad who value the interests of the nation and want the country's reunification to unite as one and turn out in the efforts for the reunification of the country, irrespective of the difference in ideology, political view and ism.

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U.S. hit for pulling up DPRK over terrorism
Pyongyang, May 5 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea today gave the following answer to a question put by KCNA as regards the accusation made by the U.S. against the DPRK over terrorism: The U.S. State Department in an "annual report on terrorism" released on April 30 attacked the DPRK again, asserting that North Korea did not take substantial steps to cooperate in efforts to combat terrorism and Pyongyang continued to sell ballistic missile technology to countries designated by the U.S. as state sponsors of terrorism.
This is a hackneyed trick used by the U.S. whenever it launched a smear campaign to isolate and stifle the DPRK. This only shows how preposterous the DPRK policy of the bush administration is.
It is universally known that the U.S. has employed a trite trick to militarily stifle those countries, which incur its displeasure, by listing them as "state sponsors of terrorism".
It is the intention of the U.S. to "Americanize" the world by unhesitatingly committing such state terrorism as unethical, anti-Islamic Iraqi war under the pretext of "anti-terrorism" in disregard of international law and the united nations.
But the U.S. is seriously mistaken if it thinks its practice will go down with the DPRK.
It is quite foolish of the U.S. to try to hurt the DPRK under the pretext of "terrorism" as it is the country where the leader, the party and the masses are single-heartedly united in thinking, purpose and the sense of moral obligation.
The U.S. smear campaign against the DPRK will only make the settlement of the nuclear issue between the DPRK and the U.S. more complicated and aggravate the situation.

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Kim Jong Il sends message of condolence to Chinese party and state leaders
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) - General Secretary Kim Jong Il Sunday sent a message of condolence to Hu Jin Tao, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and President of the People's Republic of China, and Jiang Zemin, Chairman of the Central Military Commission of the PRC. The message said:
I express profound condolences to you and, through you, to the bereaved families on hearing the sad news that an accident of a submarine of the Chinese people's liberation army claimed lives of its crewmen.
The exploits performed by the fallen servicemen in the sacred cause of defending the country will be immortal

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U.S. talk about "threat" from other countries rebuffed
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) -- The United States is claiming that it is exposed to a great "threat" from other countries after the "September 11 incident". Dismissing the U.S. talk about "threat" as a sheer lie, Rodong Sinmun says in a signed commentary today:
The U.S .is not exposed to a "threat" from other countries but the world is threatened by the U.S.
The U.S. forces other countries to disarm themselves by dint of the United Nations if necessary and ignores the UN when swallowing them up. The U.S. is going to apply such brigandish tactics to the DPRK.
It is kicking up an anti-DPRK nuclear racket, saying that North Korea's nuclear proliferation is troublesome and its nuclear development program is hurting international stability.
Some time ago, it brought the nuclear issue of the Korean Peninsula to the UN.
The "threat" ballad is a reversed slogan of aggression and war.
The U.S. has long been persistent in the moves for war under the pretext of the non-existent "threat of southward invasion" by the DPRK. The U.S. is now seeking to ignite a new war of aggression in the Korean Peninsula under such slogans as "anti-terrorism" and "nuclear and missile threat".
The reality calls for countering the U.S. talk about "threat" with high vigilance.
The Iraq war gives a lesson that a powerful physical deterrent force is necessary for us to cope with the anti-DPRK nuclear racket of the U.S. imperialists.
The Korean people will build up the self-defensive capability still further under the banner of the Songun policy.

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Greetings to Polish Foreign Minister
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) -- Foreign Minister of the DPRK Paek Nam Sun sent a message of greetings to his Polish counterpart Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz on the occasion of the constitutional day, a national holiday of the Polish people. In the message Paek wished the polish foreign minister success in his work for Poland's admission to the European Union and hoped that the traditional relations of friendship and cooperation between the two countries would further develop.

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NDFSK vows more vigorous struggle for reunification
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) -- The National Democratic Front of South Korea (NDFSK) will fight it out, together with working masses in this land, to drive out Yankee aggressors, establish national sovereignty and achieve the reunification of the country and genuine labor liberation. The director of the worker-peasant department of the NDFSK central committee said this in a statement issued on Thursday to mark May Day, according to Seoul-based radio Voice of National Salvation.
The statement noted that the South Korean people have been mercilessly deprived of their national sovereignty and right to existence by the U.S. forces stationed in South Korea for over half a century.
Without the termination of the U.S. colonial rule and the establishment of national sovereignty, it is impossible to expect the provision of genuine rights, interests and right to existence of the working masses and the reunification of the country, it said.
It stressed that the working masses should wage a vigorous anti-U.S. struggle by the united efforts in different parts of South Korea and stand in the van of the mass struggle for the right to existence and the implementation of the June 15 joint declaration.

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DPRK embassy opened in London
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) -- A ceremony for opening the DPRK embassy in Britain was held in London on April 30. Invited to the ceremony were director of Asia-Pacific Command Rosalind Marsden and other officials concerned of the British Foreign Ministry, members of parliament, representatives of political parties and organizations, businessmen, pro-Korean personages and diplomatic envoys of different countries. A DPRK Foreign Ministry delegation led by vice-minister Choe Su Hon was present.
Rosalind Marsden noted in his speech that after the establishment of the diplomatic relations between the two countries in December 2000, mutual understanding and trust have been deepened through visits and contacts.
The opening of the DPRK embassy in London in the wake of the establishment of the British embassy in Pyongyang in July 2001 makes it possible to further develop the bilateral relations, he said.
The situation of the Korean Peninsula is now complicated, but the British government will strive to develop the bilateral relations in political, economic, cultural and other fields, he declared.
Following the ceremony, a congratulatory performance was given by Suzanna Clark, a British famous singer, who participated in the 21st April Spring Friendship Art Festival, and a reception was given.

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Japanese reactionaries hit for visiting "Yasukuni Shrine"
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) -- Dietmen and representatives from different political parties of Japan including former Prime Minister Hashimoto and secretary general Yamazaki of the Liberal Democratic Party, 182 in all, visited the "Yasukuni Shrine" to honour the memory of the fallen militarists. Commenting on this, Rodong Sinmun Sunday says it shows what a challengeable and reckless phase the moves of the Japanese reactionaries for militarization have reached.
The news analyst goes on:
The departed spirit of militarism prevails and militarization is now being stepped up in Japan.
The Liberal Democratic Party of Japan set the visit to the "Yasukuni Shrine" as its "basic movement policy" and the Japanese government is concerned with the issue of building memorial facilities at the shrine.
Their visit is not to express individual mind.
The Japanese reactionaries are now taking advantage of the more complicated international situation and abnormal developments in different regions to embark on the road of overseas expansion at an early date.
They are scheming to implant militarist spirit into the mind of the people in a bid to lead them to realize their ambition for overseas expansion they had not attained in the past.
But the militarist moves will bring nothing but destruction and disgrace to Japan.
The Japanese reactionaries would be well advised to clearly see the trend of the 21st century and stop inciting militarist spirit.

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S. Korean authorities hit for taking issue with anti-war peace education
Pyongyang, May 4 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the central committee of the General Federation of Trade Unions of Korea in a statement on May 3 denounced the South Korean authorities for kicking up a racket while terming the anti-war peace education of Jongyojo (the National Teachers Union) anti-U.S. education. He said:
The racket is an act against the nation and history which shows the pro-U.S. flunkeyist nature of the present ruling forces.
It is aimed to dampen the ever-mounting anti-U.S. spirit of the South Korean people.
Jongyojo is conducting anti-war peace education with a view to imparting to the rising generations the aggressive and brigandish nature of the U.S., the chieftain of national division and disturber of peace in the Korean Peninsula and the rest of the world. The education is very natural as it reflects the aspiration of the South Korean people for the dignity and independence of the nation and the requirements of the times.
Nevertheless, the South Korean authorities are undisguisedly attempting to suppress Jongyojo while calling into question its anti-war peace education under the pretext that it is contrary to "alliance with the U.S."
The South Korean authorities should see the trend of the times, drop the pro-U.S. flunkeyist attitude, take the road of independence and give up at once their attempt to crack down on Jongyojo.

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observaremos la actitud de ee.uu.
pyongyang, 5 de mayo (atcc) -- ee.uu. debe cambiar audazmente su politica con respecto a la republica popular democratica de corea. esta observara la actitud de aquel. asi senala el periodico "rodong sinmun" en un comentario individual de hoy publicado en relacion con que tan pronto como terminaron las conversaciones rpdc-ee.uu. en beijing los gobernantes norteamericanos hablan de la "cooperacion" con japon y sudcorea y de que esta en revision el proyecto de llevar el "problema nuclear" de la rpdc al consejo de seguridad de la onu para aprobar una declaracion contra esta.
el comentario individual senala:
los hechos demuestran que despues de dichas conversaciones siguen siendo iguales la politica hostil de ee.uu. a la rpdc y su ambicion de aislar y aplastar a esta.
en las conversaciones de beijing la rpdc presento un nuevo y audaz proyecto para eliminar a la vez las preocupaciones de ambas partes interesadas del problema nuclear de la peninsula coreana partiendo de la posicion de prevenir la guerra y lograr la paz y la seguridad duraderas en esta.
pero, ee.uu. no presento ningun proyecto relacionado con el problema nuclear de esta peninsula, sino repitio la insistencia anterior en la "renuncia nuclear, primero".
mientras sigue de pie la politica hostil de ee.uu. a la rpdc, esta fortalecera por todos los medios la fuerza de detencion de la guerra con la movilizacion de todas las potencialidades del pais. si ee.uu. no trata con una posicion sincera este proyecto de la rpdc, debera responsabilizarse enteramente de la frustracion de todos los esfuerzos para el dialogo y de la agravacion de la situacion.

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teoria de "amenaza" de que habla ee.uu. es consigna agresiva
pyongyang, 5 de mayo (atcc) -- estados unidos propaga ruidosamente luego de "atentados del 11 de septiembre", que su pais esta "amenazado" grandemente por otros paises. la supuesta doctrina de "amenaza" de que habla ee.uu. es una falsa. este pais no esta amenazado por los demas paises sino el mundo esta amenazado por aquel.
asi senala el diario "rodong sinmun" en un comentario individual del dia 4 y continua:
ellos arman alborotos nucleares contra la rpdc hablando de que "el problema de proliferacion de misiles de este pais sirve de dolor de cabeza" y que el "plan de desarrollo nuclear" de norcorea amenaza a la "estabilidad" internacional, y hace poco llevaron a la onu el problema nuclear de la peninsula coreana.
la supuesta "amenaza" de que habla ee.uu. es la consigna de agresion y guerra.
desde hace mucho tiempo ee.uu. se ha aferrado tercamente a las maquinaciones belicas bajo el pretexto de "amenaza de agresion a sudcorea" procedente de la rpdc y hoy, bajo la consigna de "antiterrorismo" y la "amenaza de armas nucleares y misiles" trata de desatar una nueva guerra de agresion en la peninsula coreana.
la realidad demanda a todos enfrentarse con alta vigilancia con la teoria de "amenaza" de ee.uu..
de la guerra iraqui sacamos la leccion de que debemos poseer la poderosa fuerza de detencion fisica frente a los alborotos nucleares del imperialismo yanqui contra la rpdc.
el pueblo coreano en el futuro tambien fortalecera mas firmemente las fuerzas autodefensivas con la bandera del songun (priorizacion militar) en alto.

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kim jong il envia telegrama de condolencia a los dirigentes de china
pyongyang, 5 de mayo (atcc) -- el dirigente kim jong il, secretario general del partido del trabajo de corea y presidente del comite de defensa nacional de la republica popular democratica de corea envio el dia 4 un telegrama de condolencia a hu jintao, secretario general del cc del partido comunista de china y presidente de la republica popular china y a jiang zemin, presidente de la comision militar central de la rpch. el telegrama senala:
al enterarme de una noticia desgraciada de que los tripulantes de un submarino del ejercito popular de liberacion de china se cayeron por un accidente, doy profundo pesame a ustedes y por su conducto a los familiares de los difuntos.
seran eternas las proezas de los militares caidos en el sagrado camino para la defensa de la patria.
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no proof for grandcolas call

on p 128 longman says that jack grandcolas didn't even speak directly with his alleged wife lauren,alleged flught 93 victim,at all!!!

she allegedly left him 2 messages on his answering machine...

how could longman be so damn sure that what he allegedly heard relly was lauren grandcolas talkin' from heaven?

conclusive evidence indeed...

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Election of deputies to 11th Supreme People's Assembly of DPRK to be held
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- A decision of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly on holding the election of deputies to the SPA of the DPRK was made public on June 3. According to the decision, the election of deputies to the 11th SPA will be held on August 3, Juche 92 (2003), in accordance with article 90 of the DPRK Socialist Constitution.

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Students affiliated to Hanchongryon stage surprise demo in S. Korea
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- Students affiliated to Hanchongryon (South Korean Federation of University Student Councils) reportedly staged a surprise demonstration at the Kwanghwamun intersection on May 29 in protest against the chief executive's servile diplomacy toward the U.S. and the security authorities' suppression. They hung a large placard protesting against Bush's threat of war and the chief executive's humiliating diplomacy towards the U.S. and copies of a statement.
The statement lashed out at the chief executive for siding with the U.S. in its dangerous war moves against the north at the talks with bush during his U.S. visit, not uttering even a single word about the issues including the revision of the "Status Of Forces Agreement" and termination of the unequal South Korea-U.S. relations, etc. whose solution is desired by the people.
Meanwhile, the police walked away all the demonstrators to the Jongro police station.

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NDFSK calls for coming out in anti-war and anti-U.S. resistance
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- The patriotic people from all walks of life, aware of the reality, should turn out as one in a nationwide anti-war and anti-U.S. death-defying resistance to foil the reckless nuclear war moves of Bush group and defend the dignity of the nation irrespective of ideology, political view, religious belief, class and strata, men and women of all ages, under the uplifted banner of national cooperation. A spokesman for the NDFSK (National Democratic Front of South Korea) said this in a statement on May 31.
The spokesman expressed full support and response to a message to all the Koreans released by the central committee of the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland and the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland, acknowledging the message to be a very just patriotic call for defending the dignity of the nation and the peace and security of the Korean Peninsula and opening a turning phase of national independence and reunification under the prevailing situation.
The peace of the Korean Peninsula is now guaranteed by the powerful war deterrent force of the north, the spokesman added.
We NDFSK, together with all the people, will not allow the hostile policy towards the north and reckless nuclear war moves of the U.S. and its followers in response to the just patriotic appeal of the north and positively support and defend the Songun policy of the north and its crystal, the self-defensive war deterrent force, the spokesman noted.

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May Student Festival closes in S. Korea
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- The May Student Festival that opened on May 30 was closed on June 1, according to MBC of South Korea. A meeting took place that day to vow to achieve the independence of the Korean nation as the last function of the festival.
At the meeting, several participants took the floor calling for implementing the June 15 South-North Joint Declaration and demanding the U.S. drop its hostile policy towards the north and conclude a non-aggression treaty with it.
Han Sang Ryol, permanent representative of the reunification solidarity, said that the war crisis on the Korean Peninsula can be settled only by the efforts of the Korean people. He called for smashing the reckless war moves of the U.S. and achieving independence, peace and reunification through national cooperation.
Ri Jae Gyu, vice-chairman of the south headquarters of the National Alliance for the Country's Reunification, demanded the authorities apologize for their servile and flunkeyist diplomacy towards the U.S. and completely revise the unequal "South Korea-U.S. Status of Forces Agreement".
A resolution was read out at the meeting.

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Senior U.S. official's remarks rebuffed
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- U.S. deputy defense secretary Wolfowitz addressing a recent meeting held in Singapore asserted that North Korea poses threats to peace and security in Northeast Asia and the world. He also prattled that putting pressure on the North Korean economy would help settle the North Korean nuclear crisis and the U.S. considers it as the most important leverage to find a solution to the issue. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary says that his remarks disclose the ulterior aim sought by the U.S. in spawning the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula.
It goes on:
What merits a more serious attention is that the U.S. considers putting pressure on the DPRK's economy as the most important leverage to find a solution to the nuclear issue.
Through his outbursts he wooed Asian countries to form a united front against North Korea.
The DPRK has successfully pushed ahead with socialist construction despite the U.S. incessant moves to isolate and blockade it.
It is ridiculous and preposterous for the U.S. to talk about the economic blockade against the DPRK.
The U.S. call for economic sanctions as the only way of settling the nuclear issue only suggests that it is going reckless, failing to know who its rival is.
Any sanctions against the DPRK mean a war.
The U.S. had better stop its reckless acts, properly understanding its rival.

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U.S. moves to beef up its forces under fire
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- Recently the United States announced its plan to beef up its forces stationed in South Korea which called for replacing some of the forces of the U.S. second division by a rapid deployment brigade armed with the latest equipment and introducing new type sophisticated war means. Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary dismisses this as a very disturbing development as it is a provocative arms build-up plan aimed at invading the north.
The commentary goes on:
The U.S. spawned a "nuclear issue" and has escalated its moves to provoke a nuclear war under that pretext in a bid to militarily stifle the DPRK.
The U.S. military authorities are painting this controversial "arms buil-dup plan" as a "security plan" to cope with somebody's "provocation" but this is nothing but sophism to cover up their aggressive plot hidden behind the "arms build-up plan".
It admits of no argument that the U.S. moves to secure additional war reserve materials to cope with an emergency on the Korean Peninsula are necessary only for starting a war.
The situation on the Korean Peninsula is reminiscent of an eve of a nuclear war.
The DPRK can never remain a mere onlooker to the situation on the Korean Peninsula where the danger of a new war is increasing due to the Bush bellicose forces. It has a war deterrent force powerful enough to win in any military confrontation with the U.S.
If the U.S. mounts a preemptive attack on the DPRK, misinterpreting its peace-loving efforts and will to settle the nuclear issue as a sign of weakness, it will not escape a catastrophic end.

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Japanese chief executive's remarks under fire
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- The Japanese chief executive addressing a recent meeting of the House of Councillors said it is natural to consider the Japan "self-defence forces" (SDF) as an army, calling for revising the present constitution so that the SDF may rightly be called an army. In this regard Minju Joson today in a signed commentary says:
A very dangerous attempt is lurking behind Koizumi's outbursts as he was the first among the successive Japanese prime ministers to assert that the SDF should be regarded as an army.
The commentary goes on:
High-ranking officials of the ruling quarters of Japan are now calling for "economic sanctions" and "economic blockade" against the DPRK over its nuclear issue and advocating the "use of force and a preemptive attack" against the DPRK on the strength of the Japan-U.S. alliance.
Such moves of the Japanese reactionaries are directly linked with the brigandish design of the U.S. to dominate the world.
Since its defeat in the war fought to conquer Asia Japan has dreamt of realizing its wild ambition for reconquest of Asia through its rearmament.
Japan regards the present situation where a war atmosphere is prevailing in various parts of the world including the Korean Peninsula due to the U.S. moves, as a golden opportunity of rounding off its preparations for a war of overseas aggression.
As it has become obvious that Japan is working with blood-shot eyes to stifle the DPRK in league with the U.S., the DPRK has no option but to strongly react against their moves.
Japan had better to behave itself if it does not want to meet its self-destruction.

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Many foreign children enjoy camping in DPRK
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- At least 2,000 foreign children of over 140 organizations from different countries have enjoyed camping at the Songdowon International Children's Camp, a modern center for extracurricular education of schoolchildren in the beauty spot on the east coast of Korea over the last decade. General Secretary Kim Jong Il, while giving field guidance to the camp on March 30, Juche 82 (1993), took the benevolent measure to receive more children from various countries to strengthen friendship and solidarity with them and provide every convenience to them in travelling by international airlines.
Schoolchildren from China, Russia, Laos, Mexico, Nigeria and many other countries spent worthwhile camping days at the world famous Songdowon, their programs focussed on maritime activities.
During their stay there they joined Korean children in activities of sub-branches of the children's union, had meetings with them, "national day" programs, sports and amusement games and other activities to deepen the friendship.
Many of them had the honor of receiving birthday tables amid the blessings of the campers.

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Mass killings by GIs in South Korea
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- It was recently made clear by archives and photos of the U.S. government that prisoners at the Jonju prison in South Korea were massacred by the U.S. troops in the past. Thus it is indisputable that the mass killings of one million civilians were committed by the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops. Commenting on this fact, Rodong Sinmun today says in a signed article:
The history of the U.S. aggressor troops' presence in South Korea was the continuation of brutal massacre by them considering that the life of people is not worth that of fly.
Nearly 60 years ago they divided Korea into two parts, north and south and occupied South Korea. And they issued an ordinance allegedly to punish those protesting against their military administration and put it into practice, slaughtering civilians.
In one year after launching the Korean war, they cruelly massacred more than one million innocent civilians in all parts of South Korea, including Rogun-ri, Kochang, Suwon, Chungju, Kongju, Phyongthaek, Puyo, Chongju, Kunsan and Anyang.
The U.S. aggressor troops are the very one who caused the tragedy of Kwangju recorded as the most miserable massacre in history.
They drove an armored car over schoolgirls on the road to death in broad daylight and declared the murderers not guilty, far from being a guilty conscience.
All the facts clearly show that the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops stationed in South Korea are the root cause of all misfortune and sufferings upon the South Korean people and the sworn enemy with whom the Korean nation cannot live under the same sky.
the korean nation will never pardon all the crimes committed by the u.s. aggressor troops in south korea.

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Korean people in folk holiday
Pyongyang, June 4 (KCNA) -- Today the Korean people are celebrating Surinal, a folk holiday. Mt. Taesong, Moran Hill, Mt. Chilbo, Mt. Kuwol, Mt. Jongbang and other scenic spots, parks and recreation grounds in the country are crowded with holidaymakers.
People enjoy folk amusements such as yut, seesaw and Korean chess in every corner of the country.
Korean wrestling and swinging are enhancing the festive atmosphere.
Peasants are dancing "12-fathom-long tasseled hat dance", "pongsan masquerade" and other dances to the tune of jangsaenap and drum.
Pyongyang is seething in a festive mood all day long.
Many open-air stands are seen on beautifully decorated streets and public catering establishments are serving traditional dishes and special dishes of different local areas.
People are enjoying themselves in groups with sports games, amusements and holiday dishes on the banks of the Taedong and Pothong rivers, on Rungna and Ssuk islets, Mangyongdae and Munsu fun fairs and all other scenic spots of the city.
Pae Kyong Dok, a worker of the Pyongyang Thermal-Power Complex, told KCNA on the bank of the River Taedong:
Observing Surinal with my family today, I again feel the pride of being a member of the Korean nation with a five thousand year-long history. With this pride, I will devote all my wisdom and energy to the efforts for building a rich and powerful nation.

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tendran lugar elecciones de diputados a la xi legislatura de la aps de la rpdc
pyongyang, 4 de junio (atcc) -- quedo publicada el dia 3 la resolucion del presidium de la asamblea popular suprema de la republica popular democratica de corea sobre la realizacion de elecciones de diputados a la aps. segun el documento, tendran lugar el 3 de agosto del 92 (2003) de la era juche las elecciones de diputados a la xi legislatura de la aps de acuerdo con el articulo 90 de la constitucion socialista de la rpdc.

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campamento internacional de ninos de songdowon de corea
pyongyang, 4 de junio (atcc) -- durante los ultimos 10 anos mas de 2 mil ninos escolares procedentes de mas de 140 entidades de varios paises pasaron los dias alegres en el campamento internacional de ninos de songdowon construido magnificamente en un lugar famoso de la costa del mar este de corea. el dirigente kim jong il, al dirigirlo sobre el terreno el 30 de marzo del 82 (1993) de la era juche, tomo generosas medidas de recibir mucho a los ninos escolares de varios paises del mundo con el fin de profundizar la amistad y la solidaridad y de asegurar bien la via aerea internacional para que ellos no tengan incomodidades en su ida y vuelta.
gracias a esta solicitud, los escolares de china, rusia, laos, mexico, nigeria y otros paises pasaron los dias alegres de campamento en songdowon, lugar de fama mundial haciendo por lo principal las actividades maritimas.
durante los dias de campamento ellos profundizaron el sentimiento de amistad con los ninos escolares de corea a traves de la vida del grupo de la union de ninos, encuentros, actividades para el "dia de la nacion", juegos de deporte y de recreacion y otras actividades extraescolares.
en el periodo de campamento fueron preparados para numerosos ninos escolares extranjeros significativos festines de cumpleanos en medio de la bendicion de los campistas.
el jefe del grupo de campistas ninos de china dijo que en los dias de campamento llego a conocer bien el cordial amor del dirigente kim jong il por los ninos y anadio que tenia de veras una envidia a los ninos coreanos quienes aprenden y viven a sus anchas en el ancho y generoso seno de el.
un miembro del grupo de campistas ninos del ministerio de educacion de tailandia dijo que los ninos coreanos que se llaman "rey" del pais son muy felices.
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spam on a roll

all the govt mole spam above is their desperate losing last resort to obfuscate critical 911 thinking - which they cannot counter with arguments any more - not that they ever could...

no proof for flight 93 calls

and the grandcolas tape allegations tell us nothing as to whether the alleged lauren grandcolas called her husband by cell - we've already raised reasonable doubts about cell calling from planes - or by gte airfone like the alleged beamer call.

and is it any wonder that none of the bullshitting,coverup-oriented official 911 "inquiries" have thought of crosschecking with cell operators/companies and airfone companies as to the authenticity of the grandcolas calls?

hmmmmmmmmmm...

This just in: No phones in Korea

Pullback of U.S. forces from S. Korea urged
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- The Asian Regional Committee for Supporting Korea's Reunification, the All India Indo-Korean Friendship Association and the Indian Committee for Supporting Korea's Reunification in a joint statement on June 24 demanded the withdrawal of the U.S. military bases and forces from South Korea on the occasion of the Month of Anti-U.S. Joint Struggle (June 25-July 27). The statement said that June 25, 1950 was the day the United States unleashed a despicable war of aggression against the Korean people and July 27, 1953 was the day the Korean people won a victory in the war by defeating the U.S. imperialists.
Referring to the proposals for the independent and peaceful reunification of the country advanced by President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il and the struggle of the Korean people for materializing them, the statement said: We express great concern about the U.S. moves to ignite an all-out war against the DPRK, a peace-loving socialist country, by using modern weapons of mass destruction in disregard of the world opinion and violation of international law.
Once a war breaks out on the Korean peninsula, it will be a nuclear war which will not be confined to the peninsula but will spill over into other regions to bring a horrible nuclear holocaust to humankind and the u.s. will not escape responsibility for this.
The continued presence in South Korea of the U.S. imperialist aggression forces equipped with modern weapons poses a constant threat to the Korean peninsula and lays a main obstacle to the peaceful reunification of Korea.
We extend firm solidarity to the Korean people in their just struggle to improve the inter-Korean ties and achieve the peaceful reunification of the country.

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Friendship gathering held
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- A friendship gathering with Canadians staying in the DPRK took place at the Pyongyang Embroidery Institute on July 1 on the occasion of the Day of Canada. Present there were officials concerned, members of the Korea-Canada Friendship Association and employees of the institute. Being briefed on the fact that the institute has developed the Korean embroidery, preserving the Juche character and national character, the participants looked round embroidery rooms and talked with each other, deepening the feelings of friendship.

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Nigerian President refers to Korea's nuclear issue
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- Nigeria fully supports the DPRK's stand on its nuclear issue. It should be settled in a peaceful way through dialogue between the DPRK and the U.S. Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo said this on June 26 after receiving credentials from Kim Pyong Gi, newly appointed DPRK Ambassador to that country.
Referring to the positive and significant changes that have taken place in the inter-Korean relations since the publication of the June 15 North-South Joint Declaration, the president expressed belief that they would lead to the reunification of korea.
He hoped that the bilateral relations would grow stronger in the days ahead.

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Rally for peace and disarmament held in S. Korea
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- The 27th Rally for Peace and Disarmament was reportedly held in front of the building of the South Korean Ministry of defense in Seoul on June 26 with different organizations attending. At the rally the chief for policy making of the citizen's solidarity for democratic society said that "independent national defense" touted by the present authorities and the ministry is aimed to go under the U.S. system of offensive armed forces.
A representative of the South Korean Federation of University Student Councils said that it would give momentum to the anti-U.S. sentiment on the occasion of July 27 and carry on the struggle till August 15.
At the end of the rally its participants put up pennants reading "no preemptive attack on the north" on the walls of the ministry building and thrust a letter of protest to the defence minister.

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KCNA urges U.S. to stop talking about human rights issues
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- U.S. President Bush in a "statement" on June 26 accused several countries including the DPRK of "human rights abuses." He made this unprecedented groundless mud-slinging at the DPRK after the U.S. State Department spread a sheer lie about human rights abuses in the DPRK through its "2002-2003 Report on Human Rights and Democracy" on June 24. This indicates that the Bush administration's psychological operation to isolate and stifle the DPRK has reached its zenith.
This is part of various plots hatched by the U.S. to tarnish the dignified image of the political system in the DPRK and escalate the international pressure upon it. This is a serious interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state.
Article 67 and 68 of the Socialist Constitution of the DPRK stipulate that citizens are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of demonstration and of religion and all the popular masses are provided with independent rights, vital rights, rights of equality and development.
There is no human rights issue in our system as the leader, the party and the masses are single-heartedly united and the whole country forms a harmonious whole.
The U.S. is to blame for human rights abuses before any others.
The U.S. is not qualified to talk about this issue.
It is none other than the U.S. which killed so many innocent civilians and reduced cities and villages to debris in Afghanistan and Iraq, bringing the worst disasters to their people after provoking wars of aggression there under the signboard of "anti-terrorism" in a bid to meet its aims and interests.
The U.S. is ridden with the worst racial discrimination and the most horrible crimes due to social conflict and class confrontation.
According to official information released by the U.S. judicial authority, 265 people are being shot and 87 of them are left dead on a daily average and more than 1.3 million cases of such crimes of violence as rape, robbery and plunder are reported every year.
Indiscriminate attacks are being made on members of other sects for the mere reason that they challenge the U.S. view on value.
It is by no means fortuitous that amnesty international in an annual report issued last year on its 40th anniversary listed the U.S. as a stumbling block in the human rights performance in the world.
The U.S. will not be able to escape international isolation and self-destruction if it keeps resorting to arbitrary and high-handed practices, hatching plots and seeking hegemony, while wantonly infringing upon the sovereignty of other countries under the hypocritical motto "protection of human rights."

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Performance given by KPA Song and Dance Ensemble
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- The Korean People's Army Song and Dance Ensemble gave a performance at Jonsung Square yesterday to celebrate the nomination of supreme commander of the KPA Kim Jong Il as a candidate for the 11th Supreme People's Assembly at the electorate meeting of constituency no. 649. Performers sang with deep emotion of the boundless trust and reverence of the Korean army and people for Kim Jong Il through bass solo "The General is Son of Guerrillas", female folk song solo and male Pangchang "Let Us Boast of the Greatest-Ever Commander," female folk song duet and Kayagum ensemble "Arirang for Prosperity" and other numbers.
The performance was followed by a dancing party of servicepersons.
Appreciating the performance were chief of the KPA general staff Kim Yong Chun, Minister of the People's Armed Forces Kim Il Chol and senior officers of the ministry.

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"Results of investigation" in S. Korea refuted
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the Korea Asia-Pacific Peace Committee in a statement on July 1 dismissed the "final results of investigation into the issue of remittance to the north" recently carried out in South Korea as a sheer lie. The committee, as a partner of Hyundai, categorically refutes the "results" and expresses deep regret at the investigation, the statement said. The "results of investigation" evoke the nation's concern and denunciation as it is an anti-reunification act that goes against the history, downplays the significance of the historic Pyongyang meeting in the nation's history and torpedoes the good process of reconciliation and cooperation between the north and the south, the statement said, and continued:
No one can downplay the significance of the historic Pyongyang meeting and the June 15 Joint Declaration in the nation's history and their great vitality no matter what others may say.
An astronomical amount of dollars has been spent for the U.S. imperialist forces' presence in South Korea and their overseas aggression and billions of dollars were used to pursue the so-called "northern policy." yet, those involved in the investigation kept mum about this but are going to bring those related to the inter-Korean cooperation to a "court" and take a legal action against them for spending a small amount of money for it. This can not but be shame and tragedy for the nation, before talking about the backward and treacherous nature of South Korean politics.
All those involved in the Pyongyang meeting should be acquitted and set free as they performed feats before the history and the nation and the unreasonable "suit" brought against them should be withdrawn immediately.
If the south side finally tries those related to the Pyongyang meeting and punishes them, going against the nation's desire and trend of the times for reunification, it will be held entirely responsible for the serious impact the action will have on the north-south relations.

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Women's soccer team feasted
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- The DPRK cabinet gave a reception on July 1 in honor of the Korean girls who came first at the 14th Asian Women's Football Championships. Vice-Premier of the cabinet Kwak Pom Gi, said it was the demonstration of the heroic spirit of the Korean people to the world and the pride of the nation that they came first at the 13th Asian Women's Football Championships and women's soccer match of the 13th Asian Games and retained the title of the 14th Asian Women's Football championships.
He said that all the players should train hard, keeping in mind the expectation and love of the party and the leader, the fatherland and the people to demonstrate the spirit of Juche Korea again in future games.
Chief coach Ri Song Gun in his reply address expressed his determination to further exalt the honor of the country in international sports games in a bid to repay with loyalty the warm love of leader Kim Jong Il who keeps their life in full bloom.
Present at the reception were Pak Myong Chol, chairman of the Physical Culture and Sports Guidance Commission, Ri Kwang Gun, Minister of Foreign Trade who is chairman of the DPRK Football Association, and officials concerned.

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U.S. anti-DPRK campaign denounced
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher in a news briefing a few days ago made public some "information" related to the DPRK's export of missiles, noting that other countries should refrain from military cooperation with North Korea. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today runs a signed commentary. The U.S. assertion that the DPRK's export of missiles is illegal and threatens other countries and thus they should break off trade and military cooperation with the DPRK is a frantic violation of the principle of respect for the sovereignty of independent states and non-interference in others' internal affairs, the commentary says, and goes on:
The U.S. had exported weapons worth nearly 50 billion dollars from 1997 to 2001. The U.S. tops the list of weapon export states, gaining huge profits.
It is none other than the U.S. that has committed illegal acts in exporting weapons and threatened other countries.
The U.S. sinister anti-DPRK campaign aims to internationalize "threats" from the DPRK to lay a "collective siege" to the DPRK. The U.S. moves to form a "collective siege network" against the DPRK are, in essence, the revelation of its dangerous attempt to bring the DPRK under its control by the allied imperialist forces and international reactionaries.
The DPRK's development, deployment and export of missiles is a matter belonging to the sovereign right of the Korean people. If the DPRK does not have such a powerful war deterrent force as missiles, it may be attacked by the U.S. any time. The U.S. racket about the development, deployment and export of missiles in the DPRK can never go down with the Korean people.
The determination of the Korean people to strengthen the self-defensive military power in every way under the Songun banner will never be shaken whatever others may say.

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DPRK side responds to U.S.-proposed talks on GI remains
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the Panmunjom mission of the Korean People's Army gave the following answer to a question put by KCNA today as regards the talks on excavating remains of U.S. soldiers proposed again by the United States. Recently the U.S. proposed to resume the talks several times.
In the past the DPRK side excavated remains of many American soldiers and handed them over to the U.S. side with all sincerity from a noble humanitarian stand.
But the U.S. administration has pursued an extremely hostile policy toward the DPRK. as a result, the anti-U.S. sentiment of the army and the people of the DPRK and their vigilance against it have reached their height and the DPRK-U.S. relations are at the lowest ebb due to the nuclear issue, in particular.
Such situation makes it difficult for the DPRK side to make any smooth progress in the excavation of their remains as the same is the case with all other issues between the two countries.
But the DPRK side decided to respond to the U.S. side-proposed talks, taking into full consideration that this issue is a purely humanitarian one.
The U.S. side should set forth appropriate and realistic ways of overcoming the obstacles to settling the issue of excavating GI remains at the talks.

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Kim Yong Nam greets President of Belarus
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly, on July 1 sent a message of greetings to Aleksandr Lukashenko, President of Belarus, on the occasion of its National Day, the national holiday of its people.
In the belief that the friendly and cooperative ties between the two countries would grow stronger in the future, the message wished the president greater success in his responsible work.

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Greetings to Belorussian Prime Minister
Pyongyang, July 2 (KCNA) -- Premier of the DPRK cabinet Hong Song Nam sent a message of greetings to Belorussian Prime Minister Gennady Novitsky on the occasion of its National Day. Expressing belief that the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries would steadily develop in the desire and fundamental interests of the two peoples, the message wished him success in his work.
Meanwhile, DPRK Foreign Minister Paek Nam Sun sent a message of greetings to his Belorussian counterpart Sergei Martinov on this occasion.

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kim jong il fue electo como candidato para diputado a xi legislatura de aps
pyongyang, 2 de julio (atcc) -- los oficiales y soldados del ejercito popular de corea eligieron al dirigente kim jong il, secretario general del partido del trabajo de corea, presidente del comite de defensa nacional de la republica popular democratica de corea y comandante supremo del epc como candidato para diputado a la xi legislatura de la asamblea popular suprema de la rpdc. el acto de los electores del distrito electoral no. 649 para elegir al comandante supremo kim jong il como candidato para diputado a la xi legislatura de la aps tuvo lugar solemnemente el dia primero en la plaza jonsung de pyongyang con la participacion de decenas de miles de electores militares.
el informe de la ocasion estuvo a cargo de jo myong rok, jefe de la direccion politica general del epc quien dijo:
en los anales orgullosos recorridos por la rpdc estan registradas con letras doradas las inmortales hazanas del comandante supremo quien ha defendido firmemente y llevado adelante la idea y las hazanas de construccion del estado del presidente kim il sung y dedicado grandes esfuerzos y energias para la infinita prosperidad de la rpdc.
hoy en dia, nuestra republica manifiesta a todo el mundo su poderio de la invencible potencia ideologica, politica y militar, maneja a su gusto el imperialismo yanqui que se autodenomina de la "unica superpotencia" y estimula energicamente la lucha de los pueblos revolucionarios del mundo por la soberania, la independencia y el socialismo, lo cual se debe enteramente a la sobresaliente capacidad politica y la direccion probada y habil del comandante supremo.
el informante, recogiendo el unanime deseo de todos los electores, oficiales y soldados del ejercito, propuso con esmero elegir al dirigente kim jong il como candidato para diputado a la 11 legislatura de la aps de la rpdc en el distrito electoral no. 649.
el ministro de las fuerzas armadas populares kim il chol y otros oradores expresaron el entero apoyo y aprobacion a esta propuesta y manifestaron la firme decision de defender a ultranza al respetado comandante supremo y la direccion de la revolucion y luchar por la tranquilidad y la prosperidad de la patria socialista.
en el acto jo myong rok declaro con orgullo que segun el unanime deseo, entero apoyo y aprobacion de todos los electores, el comandante supremo kim jong il fue electo como candidato para diputado a la aps del distrito electoral no. 649 para las elecciones de los diputados a la 11 legislatura.
en el acto fue aprobada una carta dirigida al comandante supremo kim jong il.
en la carta los participantes en el acto solicitaron sinceramente que el comandante supremo acepte el ardiente deseo de todos los oficiales y soldados del ejercito popular y otros habitantes.
subrayaron que conforme a la demanda de la tensa situacion dada en los umbrales de combate se armaran firmemente con la conciencia de clase antimperialista y la autoctona posicion de guerra del ptc y fortaleceran por todos los medios la combatividad y los preparativos de combate del ejercito popular y destacaron que si los imperialistas yanquis desatan una nueva guerra en esta tierra, aniquilaran despiadadamente a los enemigos y lograran sin falta la historica causa de la reunificacion de la patria.

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ee.uu. no tiene calificacion de hablar de derechos humanos - comentario de atcc -
pyongyang, 2 de julio (atcc) -- el presidente norteamericano bush publico inhabitualmente el 26 de junio una "declaracion" acusando a la republica popular democratica de corea y otros paises de "violadores a los derechos humanos". con anterioridad, el departamento de estado norteamericano, en el "informe de derechos humanos y democracia para 2002-2003" fechado 24 de junio, difundio los materiales falsificados sobre el estado del derecho humano de la rpdc. todo esto demuestra que la operacion de intriga psicologica de la administracion bush para aislar y aplastar la rpdc llego al extremo.
ee.uu. fragua las intrigas de toda indole con el objetivo de danar la imagen del ventajoso regimen socialista coreano y ampliar la palanca de la presion internacional contra la rpdc. esto constituye un grave atentado a la soberania del estado independiente.
el problema del derecho humano no puede existir bajo el regimen social de corea en que el lider, el partido y las masas estan unidos monoliticamente y todo el pais forma una gran familia armoniosa.
ee.uu. no tiene la calificacion de hablar de derechos humanos.
para lograr su objetivo e intereses estatales, ee.uu. provoco con el rotulo de "antiterrorismo" las guerras de agresion contra afganistan e irak, asesino a incontables habitantes inocentes y destruyo las ciudades y aldeas causando las grandes calamidades humanitarias. ee.uu. es el pais en que son mas graves la discriminacion racial y los actos criminales por los conflictos sociales y el antagonismo entre los sectores.
segun los datos publicados oficialmente por las autoridades judiciales norteamericanas, en ee.uu. en promedio diario 265 personas reciben balazo, de estas mueren 87 y el numero de crimenes violentos como la violacion, bandolerismo y usurpacion llega a mas de un millon 300 mil anuales.
no es causal que el ano pasado la amnistia internacional, en un informe anual por el 40 aniversario de su fundacion, senalo que ee.uu. es el "obstaculo principal en la esfera de derechos humanos del mundo".
ee.uu. no podra evitar el aislamiento internacional y la ruina al violar flagrantemente la soberania de otros paises y perpetrar la arbitrariedad, el despotismo y el heguemonismo so pretexto de la "proteccion del derecho humano".

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vocero de ccpap niega totalmente el "resultado de averiguacion especial"
pyongyang, 2 de julio (atcc) -- el comite coreano por la paz de asia y el pacifico (ccpap), contraparte de la transaccion con hyundai, niega totalmente el "resultado de averiguacion final" sobre el problema del "envio de dinero al norte de corea" publicado recientemente en corea del sur, calificandolo de injusto y tergiversado, y expresa gran pesar al respecto. asi senalo el vocero del ccpap en la declaracion del dia primero y continuo:
el "resultado de averiguacion especial" es un acto antihistorico y anti-reunificacion tendente a mermar el significado nacional del historico encuentro de pyongyang y obstaculizar la reconciliacion y la cooperacion que se desarrollan favorablemente entre el norte y el sur de corea y como tal suscita a la nacion coreana gran preocupacion y condenacion.
sera imposible debilitar con nada la posicion historica nacional y gran vitalidad del historico encuentro de pyongyang y la declaracion conjunta del 15 de junio.
si la parte surcoreana ofrecio una suma astronomica de dolares para el mantenimiento de las tropas norteamericanas en sudcorea y la agresion de ee.uu. a ultramar e invirtio miles de millones de dolares para la ejecucion de la "politica con respecto al norte". sin embargo, hoy se propone tratar juridicamente a quienes dedicaron cierta suma de dinero a la labor de cooperacion entre los connacionales y llevarlos al "tribunal". esto constituye la verguenza y tragedia de la nacion, antes de hablar del atraso y el caracter antinacional de la politica de corea del sur.
todos los hombres interesados del encuentro de pyongyang quienes acumularon meritos ante la historia y la nacion deben ser absueltos y todas las "acusaciones" deben ser anuladas inmediatamente.
si la parte surcoreana los lleva finalmente al "tribunal" y les dicta castigos a contrapelo de la aspiracion de los coreanos a la reunificacion, debera asumir la entera responsabilidad de las graves consecuencias que ejerceran sobre las relaciones norte-sur.
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no proof for flight 93 calls

but it gets even worse.

according to our nationa jesus freak lisa beamer in her book p 199,

>>tom burnett called his wife,deena,at their home>>:

deena allegedly was there and actually spoke to her alleged husband,unlike jack grandcolas and his wife.

real pity that,as usual for the 911 plane calls,our evidence is...guess readers:zero - repeat - zero.

not even an alleged tape,not even a lisa jefferson goddammit - nothing.

nothing but the holy word of deena burnett,who with all due respect might be a lying plant.

and again no fucking so called 911 inquiry has bothered to verify by what means this alleged tom burnett made his alleged call - or bothered to verify with cell and gte companies and records if this call is in any way confirmed.

and how about you,fuckin' fbi director mueller turd?

after all,it's you who's in charge of the official 911 cover...ooooops,I meant investigation.

what can you tell the american people,2 years from 911,as to the authenticity of tom burnett's call?

Patriotic Socialists, UNITE!

Spokesman for DPRK Foreign Ministry on Korea visit of del. of U.S. congressmen Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry today gave the following answer to a question put by KCNA as regards the DPRK visit of a delegation of U.S. congressmen: As already reported, the delegation of U.S. congressmen headed by Curt Weldon, vice-chairman of the Armed Services Committee of the House of Representatives, visited the DPRK from May 30 to June 1. During its visit, the delegation made a courtesy call on the Chairman of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly, met the Minister of Foreign Affairs and had a series of exchanges of views with Kim Kye Gwan, vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs. The talks held during its visit had exhaustive and in-depth discussions on the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and other pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. This helped both sides know better each other and they shared the view that the core of the DPRK-U.S. relations is to avert confrontation and war and peacefully co-exist on an equal basis. They were of the same view that it is necessary to seek a negotiated settlement of the nuclear issue and expressed their stand that it is necessary to continue seeking and discussing ways of settling it. The delegation expressed its satisfaction over having a positive and constructive discussions during its visit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Members of KCU vow loyalty to Kim Jong Il Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A meeting took place before the Statue of President Kim Il Sung at the Pyongyang Schoolchildren's Palace on Sunday to adopt a letter of loyalty of three million members of the Korean Children's Union to leader Kim Jong Il. It was attended by at least 5,000 KCU members. It was held on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of "Letter Carrying Best Wishes" Kim Jong Il sent to Kim Il Sung on the front in the period of the Fatherland Liberation War. Speakers said at the meeting that no one on earth was so deeply concerned and so totally dedicated to the health and safety of the president from his childhood as Kim Jong Il, adding that he who is identical to the president is not merely an individual as he is the benevolent father of all Koreans and his good health represents the greatest happiness of our people. The letter was adopted at the meeting the members in the letter pledged themselves to learn from the glorious boyhood of Kim Jong Il to grow up to be ardent revolutionaries and genuine patriots who would demonstrate Kim Il Sung's Korea to the world. Among those present there were Kim Jung Rin, Secretary of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea, and officials concerned. Meanwhile, similar meetings took place before the president's statues in different provincial seats on the same day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Students May Festival opens in S. Korea Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A May Festival of Students was opened at the amphitheatre of Yonsei University on May 30 with at least 10,000 students affiliated to the South Korean Federation of University Student Councils (Hanchongryon) attending, according to KBS of South Korea. That day a meeting to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the inauguration of Hanchongryon and greet the emergence of the 11th-term Hanchongryon was held. Jong Jae Uk, chairman of the 11th-term Hanchongryon, said that the history of the national council of student representatives (Jondaehyop) which called for not forgetting Kwangju in 1980 goes on with the history of Hanchongryon's actions for independence, democracy and reunification and the implementation of the June 15 Joint Declaration. The theatre resounded with "Song of Hanchongryon", "March of Jondaehyop", "March of Hanchongryon" and other songs sung by the participants waving kerchiefs and balloons bearing letters "May Festival" and "By Our Nation Itself." Prior to this function, Hanchongryon sponsored a reception to express thanks and solidarity on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of Hanchongryon at the students hall of Yonsei University. A seminar on freedom and human rights took place with an attendance of more than 200 students and figures from all walks of life by the side of the place where a sit-in strike inside tents of families of wanted students was under way in front of the university. The police authorities threw a stringent cordon with at least 10,000 policemen of 100 companies deployed around the university. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Irresponsible remarks of S. Korean Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade accused Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- South Korean Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Yun Yong Gwan caviled at the proposal for settling "nuclear issue" put forward by the north at the Beijing talks in a recent exclusive interview with a foreign reporter before a trip of the South Korean chief executive to Japan, asserting that "it is unacceptable" and the U.S. may have the same stand as it desires an "early solution to the issue". He went to the lengths of making the provocative remarks that "further steps" on which South Korea agreed with the united states and "hardline measure" taken by the U.S. and Japan over the "nuclear issue" would be a sort of "warning" to the north. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary says: His remarks are a virulent mockery of and an unpardonable challenge to the north which has made every sincere effort for settling the "nuclear issue". As already known, at the Beijing talks arranged with much effort the DPRK put forward a new and bold proposal calling for clearing up concerns of the DPRK and the U.S. responsible for solving the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula simultaneously. Nevertheless, the United States insisted on its self-righteous and unilateral assertion that the DPRK should "drop its nuclear program before dialogue", thus making the settlement of the issue more complicated and its prospect gloomier. This being a hard fact, Yun only spoke for the U.S. to please it, instead of viewing the issue from a right stand. This is creating complexities and difficulties in the way of settling the situation. The north can not but feel disgusted at his mean demeanour. A man in authority should be careful about his words and deeds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodong Sinmun on DPRK's war deterrent force Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- The DPRK's war deterrent force serves as a powerful fortress and self-defense force to defend the beloved motherland and the whole Korean nation and a guarantee for peace on the Korean Peninsula as pointed out in the message to all the Koreans released by the Central Committee of the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland and the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland. Rodong Sinmun today says this in a signed article. It continues: The historical facts and the present situation show that but for powerful military deterrent force, war deterrent force, the dignity, sovereignty and security of a sovereign state would not be defended. It is by the powerful military deterrent force of the DPRK that the Korean nation checks a war and defends peace of the country and its security. This deterrent force is an iron hammer to those foreign forces infringing upon the vital right and sovereignty of the Korean nation but an iron shield to prevent the crisis of war with compatriotic love for the South Korean people. But for this powerful deterrent force the living of the Korean nation, the existence of any political parties and organizations and operation of enterprises would have been unthinkable. The attitude toward the DPRK's Songun policy and deterrent force is a touchstone verifying the standpoint standing for the security of the whole nation and the peace and independent reunification of the country and that of siding with the foreign forces. All the fellow countrymen should uphold, support and defend with patriotic mind the DPRK's great Songun policy and powerful military deterrent force, the most precious vital energy of the nation, so as to check a pressing danger of a nuclear war and defend the peace of the country. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. urged to accept DPRK-proposed format of talks Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- It is not a proper approach toward dialogue for the United States to insist that it does not opt for other proposal but multilateral talks, while refusing to respond to the DPRK-U.S. bilateral talks, says Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary. It goes on: As the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula is a product of the threat resulting from the U.S. hostile policy towards the DPRK, there are pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. It is, therefore, necessary for the DPRK and the U.S. to sit face to face to have a frank discussion on each other's policies. Any format of talks will be meaningless unless the U.S. has a will to make a switchover in its policy toward the DPRK. That was why the DPRK proposed this time the format of the DPRK-U.S. talks first and multilateral talks next. The U.S. adamant insistence on the north's scrapping of "its nuclear program" first and the multilateral talks is aimed to increase the international pressure on the DPRK by dubbing it a "nuclear criminal" in a bid to force it to disarm itself and conquer it like Iraq. What the U.S. seeks is the DPRK's unilateral disarmament, not a peaceful settlement of the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, and the U.S. loudmouthed multilateral talks are designed to internationalize its hostile policy towards the DPRK. The U.S. is seeking a way out in refusing the DPRK-U.S. bilateral talks in a bid to evade its responsibility as a party directly concerned with the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and cover up its true colours as the chief criminal who sparked the nuclear crisis. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings to Italian President Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, today sent a message of greetings to Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi on the occasion of its National Day. The message wished the president and people of Italy greater success in the work for the prosperity of the country and expressed belief that the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries would grow stronger in the mutual interests. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anecdote about Kim Jong Il Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Il left for Mt. Jongbang early on the morning of May 1, Juche 86 (1997) to give field guidance to the recreation ground in the mountain. Officials entreated him to take a rest for a few hours at least in May Day. He, however, told them that May Day was a holiday but it should be a more energetic working day for him than other days. He then said many people would come to Mt. Jongbang to enjoy the holiday, so he should tour the mountain early in the morning not to give inconvenience to the holiday-makers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Movement for regaining English name of country Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A movement for regaining the English name of the country is going on in the north and south of Korea. Originally, the name of the country had been spelt "Corea" in western languages for hundreds of years from the mid-13th century. During the years, "Corea" had been the formal name of the country recognized by the European powers. The feudal government of the Ri dynasty (1392-1910) put the name of Corea in official documents concluded with diplomatic envoys of western powers. The government also dispatched its delegations to international functions under the name of Corea. The maps made in Europe from the latter half of the 16th century name the East Sea of Korea "Sea of Corea". After their occupation of the country, however, the Japanese imperialists changed Corea with Korea in a mean way. Since then, the country has been called "Korea". Now Korean people are campaigning to regain "Corea", while fully disclosing the Japanese imperialists' deliberate and intentional change of the country's name. Philologists and historians of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea held a joint symposium in Pyongyang in December Juche 91 (2002) and called for having the English spelling of the country's name corrected. A north-south joint academic symposium was held in Seoul in March to probe the truth behind Japan's distortion of the Korean history. The participants in the symposium said that Japan changed the first letter "C" with "K", with the result that "Corea" disappeared in the early 20th century. They were unanimous in calling for retaking the original name of the nation. The South Korean newspaper Hankuk Ilbo on May 3 said that "Corea" should be retaken to eliminate another leftover of Japan's colonial rule. This movement is joined by South Korean academic, civic and social organizations, too. The South Korean Council of Youth Organizations sponsored a "youth seminar for eliminating leftovers of Japanese imperialism and regaining Corea". Speaking at the seminar, Song Hyon Sok, chairman of the Eastern Seoul Youth Society, revealed that the Japanese imperialists issued a royal ordinance in 1910 urging world powers to spell the English name of the country "Korea". Prof. So Kyong Il of Hansin University said that the English spelling of the country's name was Corea in the light of historical records and surrounding situation ranging from the 1200s to the 1800s. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kim Jong Il sends wreath to bier of Kim Thae Ho Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) - General Secretary Kim Jong Il today sent a wreath before the bier of Kim Thae Ho, former deputy director of the History Institute of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea who is a winner of Kim Il Sung Order and a Labor Hero, expressing deep condolences on his death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings to Italian Prime Minister Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- Hong Song Nam, Premier of the DPRK cabinet, sent a message of greetings to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on the occasion of its National Day. The message extended warm congratulations to him on the occasion of the National Day of Italy and sincerely wished him and the Italian government greater success in the work for the development and prosperity of the country. It expressed belief that the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries would grow stronger in various domains in the future, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S. Korean authorities hit for slinging mud at north's system Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- The South Korean authorities' mud-slinging at the system in the north is a malignant provocation and insult to the north and an act of seriously bedevilling the inter-Korean relations. The committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland says this in a statement on Monday, demanding them apologize for this. The statement continued: The South Korean authorities were so impudent as to slander the system in the north, asserting that it is an "old system" and "untrustworthy partner". They went to the lengths of making insolent remarks that there should be a distinction between the system and residents". Their mud-slinging at the political system in the north is a grave violation of the inter-Korean agreement. The present South Korean authorities have no right to violate such historical agreements as the July 4 Joint Statement, the north-south basic agreement early in the 1990s and the June 15 Joint Declaration which commit the two sides to mutually recognizing and respecting the existing two systems and promise their co-existence. They only have the responsibility and duty to implement them. The negation of the system will bring the inter-Korean relations back to those in the Cold War era when the two systems were in confrontation and, in the long run, impose only disasters upon the nation. The South Korean authorities looked frightful when the north side rightly stated that the escalated confrontation would put the inter-Korean relations at the lowest ebb and disasters would be unavoidable. So, they must have known that their mud-slinging at the system in the north would bring about greater disasters. When looking back on the history, South Korea's acts of negating the system in the north and seeking anti-north confrontation have always been condemned by the nation. The north has never tolerated the acts of impairing its system and imposing confrontation on it and this stand will remain unchanged in the future. The South Korean authorities should clearly understand that their mud-slinging at the system in the north will never do them good. They should apologize for their misconduct in any form and by any method and vouch that they will not repeat such act. The north will watch the future attitude of the South Korean authorities for the sake of improved inter-Korean relations and the reunification of the country. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Spanish-speaking people -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kim jong il inspecciona la unidad no. 716 guardia de corps kum song del epc pyongyang, 2 de junio (atcc) -- el dirigente kim jong il, secretario general del partido del trabajo de corea, presidente del comite de defensa nacional de la republica popular democratica de corea y comandante supremo del ejercito popular de corea inspecciono el dia primero la unidad no. 716 guardia de corps kum song del epc. en la casa de los militares, el comandante supremo escucho la historia de la unidad viendo sus registros de combate llenos de victoria y gloria. dijo que esta es una unidad llena de proezas que demostro sin reserva el espiritu heroico del epc y enseno que los militares de la unidad deben mantener esta tradicion gloriosa para demostrar tambien en el futuro el invencible poderio. en la sala de mando operacional se entero de los detalles del estado de cumplimiento del deber de la unidad por parte del jefe de la unidad. acto seguido, al ver el ejercicio de los militares, se mostro muy satisfecho de que todos los militares estan bien preparados en lo politico e ideologico, en lo tecnico, militar y fisico para que frustren de un solo golpe al cualquier enemigo potente. al recorrer el interior del cuartel que hace recordar un parque se entero detalladamente del estado de la administracion de la unidad y se complacio mucho de que el cuartel se ha acondicionado magnificamente. el dirigente inspecciono una compania directamente subordinada a esta unidad donde recorrio las instalaciones de cultura, educacion e intendencia y presto una profunda atencion a la vida de los militares. se regocijo mucho de que al heredar el estilo de lucha y el modo de vida de los guerrilleros antijaponeses, la compania organiza con esmero la vida economica y particularmente, los miembros directivos cuidan cordialmente como consanguineos la vida de los soldados y evaluo altamente el espiritu de amor de ellos a los soldados. en el lugar de descanso al aire libre de la compania, vio un libro de dibujos del soldado de primera clase ri song hyok "sera eterna la recordacion de la digna vida de soldado". viendo uno tras otro los dibujos que reflejan vividamente los dias de su digno servicio militar, dijo que el que los militares lleven una autentica vida para que la recuerden para siempre es una cosa muy buena y subrayo que no hay una vida tan honrosa y valiosa como dedique la juventud a la defensa de la patria. presencio tambien la funcion artistica de los integrantes de la compania que pasan alegres momentos de descanso del domingo. al oir canciones de los militares, evaluo altamente a estos que prefieren a revolucionar y luchar y llevan una vida optimista y los estimulo cordialmente. el dirigente kim jong il se fotografio junto a militares de la unidad. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ninos coreanos celebran dia internacional de la infancia pyongyang, 2 de junio (atcc) -- los ninos de corea celebraron significativamente el dia internacional de la infancia - primero de junio. las casas cuna y los jardines infantiles de todo el pais estaban adornados con banderines en cuerda, globos de goma y ramitas de flores y colgadas las letras: "gracias al querido padre, mariscal kim jong il", "estamos felices" y "no tenemos nada que envidiar en el mundo". estan animados desde la manana temprana por los ninos y sus padres y las educadoras. tuvieron lugar alli gimnasias, juegos deportivos y de recreacion y funciones artisticas de los ninos. al compas de las canciones "hoy es el dia primero de junio", "rendimos saludo al mariscal kim jong il", "tambien yo me hare girasol", etc. los ninos hicieron el ejercicio ritmico y ofrecieron funciones artisticas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mas de 220 espionajes aereos de los yanquis pyongyang, 2 de junio (atcc) -- segun fuentes militares, los imperialistas norteamericanos perpetraron en mayo mas de 220 espionajes aereos contra la republica popular democratica de corea con la movilizacion de los aviones de reconocimiento estrategico - tactico de diversas misiones. el avion "rc-135" espio el dia 29 la profundidad de la rpdc sobrevolando repetidamente desde la isla paek-a hasta el este de sokcho en el mar oeste de corea. el avion "ep-3" recurrio el dia 28 al espionaje sobre los blancos militares y el fondo del mar de la rpdc sobrevolando reiteradamente desde yangyang hasta el oeste de la isla taebu de la provincia de kangwon del sur y "p-3" lo hizo los dias 20 y 22 volando el cielo sobre sokcho y la isla tokjok del mar oeste. por otra parte, "rc-12" y "rc-7b" perpetraron los espionajes aereos sobre la zona del frente y las costas maritimas de la rpdc volando entre la isla kanghwa y phochon. tales espionajes aereos demuestran nitidamente un intento de guerra de los imperialistas yanquis para aplastar con las fuerzas armadas la rpdc so pretexto de "crisis nuclear". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

no proof for flight 93 calls

poor jere longman,our govt conspiracy theorist.on p 278 could not himself come up with the tiniest shred of anything resembling evidence for the burnetts call...he says that deena burnett magnanimously
>>playe for me a copy of the 911 call she made to authorities" !!!!

yeah the 911 call she made to authorities...NOT HER HUSBAND'S ALLEGED CDALL,FOR WHICH NO RECORD WHAYSOEVER SEEMS TO EXIST!

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Spokesman for DPRK Foreign Ministry on Korea visit of del. of U.S. congressmen Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry today gave the following answer to a question put by KCNA as regards the DPRK visit of a delegation of U.S. congressmen: As already reported, the delegation of U.S. congressmen headed by Curt Weldon, vice-chairman of the Armed Services Committee of the House of Representatives, visited the DPRK from May 30 to June 1. During its visit, the delegation made a courtesy call on the Chairman of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly, met the Minister of Foreign Affairs and had a series of exchanges of views with Kim Kye Gwan, vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs. The talks held during its visit had exhaustive and in-depth discussions on the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and other pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. This helped both sides know better each other and they shared the view that the core of the DPRK-U.S. relations is to avert confrontation and war and peacefully co-exist on an equal basis. They were of the same view that it is necessary to seek a negotiated settlement of the nuclear issue and expressed their stand that it is necessary to continue seeking and discussing ways of settling it. The delegation expressed its satisfaction over having a positive and constructive discussions during its visit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Members of KCU vow loyalty to Kim Jong Il Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A meeting took place before the Statue of President Kim Il Sung at the Pyongyang Schoolchildren's Palace on Sunday to adopt a letter of loyalty of three million members of the Korean Children's Union to leader Kim Jong Il. It was attended by at least 5,000 KCU members. It was held on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of "Letter Carrying Best Wishes" Kim Jong Il sent to Kim Il Sung on the front in the period of the Fatherland Liberation War. Speakers said at the meeting that no one on earth was so deeply concerned and so totally dedicated to the health and safety of the president from his childhood as Kim Jong Il, adding that he who is identical to the president is not merely an individual as he is the benevolent father of all Koreans and his good health represents the greatest happiness of our people. The letter was adopted at the meeting the members in the letter pledged themselves to learn from the glorious boyhood of Kim Jong Il to grow up to be ardent revolutionaries and genuine patriots who would demonstrate Kim Il Sung's Korea to the world. Among those present there were Kim Jung Rin, Secretary of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea, and officials concerned. Meanwhile, similar meetings took place before the president's statues in different provincial seats on the same day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Students May Festival opens in S. Korea Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A May Festival of Students was opened at the amphitheatre of Yonsei University on May 30 with at least 10,000 students affiliated to the South Korean Federation of University Student Councils (Hanchongryon) attending, according to KBS of South Korea. That day a meeting to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the inauguration of Hanchongryon and greet the emergence of the 11th-term Hanchongryon was held. Jong Jae Uk, chairman of the 11th-term Hanchongryon, said that the history of the national council of student representatives (Jondaehyop) which called for not forgetting Kwangju in 1980 goes on with the history of Hanchongryon's actions for independence, democracy and reunification and the implementation of the June 15 Joint Declaration. The theatre resounded with "Song of Hanchongryon", "March of Jondaehyop", "March of Hanchongryon" and other songs sung by the participants waving kerchiefs and balloons bearing letters "May Festival" and "By Our Nation Itself." Prior to this function, Hanchongryon sponsored a reception to express thanks and solidarity on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of Hanchongryon at the students hall of Yonsei University. A seminar on freedom and human rights took place with an attendance of more than 200 students and figures from all walks of life by the side of the place where a sit-in strike inside tents of families of wanted students was under way in front of the university. The police authorities threw a stringent cordon with at least 10,000 policemen of 100 companies deployed around the university. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Irresponsible remarks of S. Korean Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade accused Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- South Korean Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Yun Yong Gwan caviled at the proposal for settling "nuclear issue" put forward by the north at the Beijing talks in a recent exclusive interview with a foreign reporter before a trip of the South Korean chief executive to Japan, asserting that "it is unacceptable" and the U.S. may have the same stand as it desires an "early solution to the issue". He went to the lengths of making the provocative remarks that "further steps" on which South Korea agreed with the united states and "hardline measure" taken by the U.S. and Japan over the "nuclear issue" would be a sort of "warning" to the north. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary says: His remarks are a virulent mockery of and an unpardonable challenge to the north which has made every sincere effort for settling the "nuclear issue". As already known, at the Beijing talks arranged with much effort the DPRK put forward a new and bold proposal calling for clearing up concerns of the DPRK and the U.S. responsible for solving the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula simultaneously. Nevertheless, the United States insisted on its self-righteous and unilateral assertion that the DPRK should "drop its nuclear program before dialogue", thus making the settlement of the issue more complicated and its prospect gloomier. This being a hard fact, Yun only spoke for the U.S. to please it, instead of viewing the issue from a right stand. This is creating complexities and difficulties in the way of settling the situation. The north can not but feel disgusted at his mean demeanour. A man in authority should be careful about his words and deeds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodong Sinmun on DPRK's war deterrent force Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- The DPRK's war deterrent force serves as a powerful fortress and self-defense force to defend the beloved motherland and the whole Korean nation and a guarantee for peace on the Korean Peninsula as pointed out in the message to all the Koreans released by the Central Committee of the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland and the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland. Rodong Sinmun today says this in a signed article. It continues: The historical facts and the present situation show that but for powerful military deterrent force, war deterrent force, the dignity, sovereignty and security of a sovereign state would not be defended. It is by the powerful military deterrent force of the DPRK that the Korean nation checks a war and defends peace of the country and its security. This deterrent force is an iron hammer to those foreign forces infringing upon the vital right and sovereignty of the Korean nation but an iron shield to prevent the crisis of war with compatriotic love for the South Korean people. But for this powerful deterrent force the living of the Korean nation, the existence of any political parties and organizations and operation of enterprises would have been unthinkable. The attitude toward the DPRK's Songun policy and deterrent force is a touchstone verifying the standpoint standing for the security of the whole nation and the peace and independent reunification of the country and that of siding with the foreign forces. All the fellow countrymen should uphold, support and defend with patriotic mind the DPRK's great Songun policy and powerful military deterrent force, the most precious vital energy of the nation, so as to check a pressing danger of a nuclear war and defend the peace of the country. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. urged to accept DPRK-proposed format of talks Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- It is not a proper approach toward dialogue for the United States to insist that it does not opt for other proposal but multilateral talks, while refusing to respond to the DPRK-U.S. bilateral talks, says Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary. It goes on: As the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula is a product of the threat resulting from the U.S. hostile policy towards the DPRK, there are pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. It is, therefore, necessary for the DPRK and the U.S. to sit face to face to have a frank discussion on each other's policies. Any format of talks will be meaningless unless the U.S. has a will to make a switchover in its policy toward the DPRK. That was why the DPRK proposed this time the format of the DPRK-U.S. talks first and multilateral talks next. The U.S. adamant insistence on the north's scrapping of "its nuclear program" first and the multilateral talks is aimed to increase the international pressure on the DPRK by dubbing it a "nuclear criminal" in a bid to force it to disarm itself and conquer it like Iraq. What the U.S. seeks is the DPRK's unilateral disarmament, not a peaceful settlement of the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, and the U.S. loudmouthed multilateral talks are designed to internationalize its hostile policy towards the DPRK. The U.S. is seeking a way out in refusing the DPRK-U.S. bilateral talks in a bid to evade its responsibility as a party directly concerned with the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and cover up its true colours as the chief criminal who sparked the nuclear crisis. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings to Italian President Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, today sent a message of greetings to Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi on the occasion of its National Day. The message wished the president and people of Italy greater success in the work for the prosperity of the country and expressed belief that the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries would grow stronger in the mutual interests. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anecdote about Kim Jong Il Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Il left for Mt. Jongbang early on the morning of May 1, Juche 86 (1997) to give field guidance to the recreation ground in the mountain. Officials entreated him to take a rest for a few hours at least in May Day. He, however, told them that May Day was a holiday but it should be a more energetic working day for him than other days. He then said many people would come to Mt. Jongbang to enjoy the holiday, so he should tour the mountain early in the morning not to give inconvenience to the holiday-makers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Movement for regaining English name of country Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- A movement for regaining the English name of the country is going on in the north and south of Korea. Originally, the name of the country had been spelt "Corea" in western languages for hundreds of years from the mid-13th century. During the years, "Corea" had been the formal name of the country recognized by the European powers. The feudal government of the Ri dynasty (1392-1910) put the name of Corea in official documents concluded with diplomatic envoys of western powers. The government also dispatched its delegations to international functions under the name of Corea. The maps made in Europe from the latter half of the 16th century name the East Sea of Korea "Sea of Corea". After their occupation of the country, however, the Japanese imperialists changed Corea with Korea in a mean way. Since then, the country has been called "Korea". Now Korean people are campaigning to regain "Corea", while fully disclosing the Japanese imperialists' deliberate and intentional change of the country's name. Philologists and historians of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea held a joint symposium in Pyongyang in December Juche 91 (2002) and called for having the English spelling of the country's name corrected. A north-south joint academic symposium was held in Seoul in March to probe the truth behind Japan's distortion of the Korean history. The participants in the symposium said that Japan changed the first letter "C" with "K", with the result that "Corea" disappeared in the early 20th century. They were unanimous in calling for retaking the original name of the nation. The South Korean newspaper Hankuk Ilbo on May 3 said that "Corea" should be retaken to eliminate another leftover of Japan's colonial rule. This movement is joined by South Korean academic, civic and social organizations, too. The South Korean Council of Youth Organizations sponsored a "youth seminar for eliminating leftovers of Japanese imperialism and regaining Corea". Speaking at the seminar, Song Hyon Sok, chairman of the Eastern Seoul Youth Society, revealed that the Japanese imperialists issued a royal ordinance in 1910 urging world powers to spell the English name of the country "Korea". Prof. So Kyong Il of Hansin University said that the English spelling of the country's name was Corea in the light of historical records and surrounding situation ranging from the 1200s to the 1800s. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kim Jong Il sends wreath to bier of Kim Thae Ho Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) - General Secretary Kim Jong Il today sent a wreath before the bier of Kim Thae Ho, former deputy director of the History Institute of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea who is a winner of Kim Il Sung Order and a Labor Hero, expressing deep condolences on his death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings to Italian Prime Minister Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- Hong Song Nam, Premier of the DPRK cabinet, sent a message of greetings to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on the occasion of its National Day. The message extended warm congratulations to him on the occasion of the National Day of Italy and sincerely wished him and the Italian government greater success in the work for the development and prosperity of the country. It expressed belief that the friendly and cooperative relations between the two countries would grow stronger in various domains in the future, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S. Korean authorities hit for slinging mud at north's system Pyongyang, June 2 (KCNA) -- The South Korean authorities' mud-slinging at the system in the north is a malignant provocation and insult to the north and an act of seriously bedevilling the inter-Korean relations. The committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland says this in a statement on Monday, demanding them apologize for this. The statement continued: The South Korean authorities were so impudent as to slander the system in the north, asserting that it is an "old system" and "untrustworthy partner". They went to the lengths of making insolent remarks that there should be a distinction between the system and residents". Their mud-slinging at the political system in the north is a grave violation of the inter-Korean agreement. The present South Korean authorities have no right to violate such historical agreements as the July 4 Joint Statement, the north-south basic agreement early in the 1990s and the June 15 Joint Declaration which commit the two sides to mutually recognizing and respecting the existing two systems and promise their co-existence. They only have the responsibility and duty to implement them. The negation of the system will bring the inter-Korean relations back to those in the Cold War era when the two systems were in confrontation and, in the long run, impose only disasters upon the nation. The South Korean authorities looked frightful when the north side rightly stated that the escalated confrontation would put the inter-Korean relations at the lowest ebb and disasters would be unavoidable. So, they must have known that their mud-slinging at the system in the north would bring about greater disasters. When looking back on the history, South Korea's acts of negating the system in the north and seeking anti-north confrontation have always been condemned by the nation. The north has never tolerated the acts of impairing its system and imposing confrontation on it and this stand will remain unchanged in the future. The South Korean authorities should clearly understand that their mud-slinging at the system in the north will never do them good. They should apologize for their misconduct in any form and by any method and vouch that they will not repeat such act. The north will watch the future attitude of the South Korean authorities for the sake of improved inter-Korean relations and the reunification of the country. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Spanish-speaking people -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kim jong il inspecciona la unidad no. 716 guardia de corps kum song del epc pyongyang, 2 de junio (atcc) -- el dirigente kim jong il, secretario general del partido del trabajo de corea, presidente del comite de defensa nacional de la republica popular democratica de corea y comandante supremo del ejercito popular de corea inspecciono el dia primero la unidad no. 716 guardia de corps kum song del epc. en la casa de los militares, el comandante supremo escucho la historia de la unidad viendo sus registros de combate llenos de victoria y gloria. dijo que esta es una unidad llena de proezas que demostro sin reserva el espiritu heroico del epc y enseno que los militares de la unidad deben mantener esta tradicion gloriosa para demostrar tambien en el futuro el invencible poderio. en la sala de mando operacional se entero de los detalles del estado de cumplimiento del deber de la unidad por parte del jefe de la unidad. acto seguido, al ver el ejercicio de los militares, se mostro muy satisfecho de que todos los militares estan bien preparados en lo politico e ideologico, en lo tecnico, militar y fisico para que frustren de un solo golpe al cualquier enemigo potente. al recorrer el interior del cuartel que hace recordar un parque se entero detalladamente del estado de la administracion de la unidad y se complacio mucho de que el cuartel se ha acondicionado magnificamente. el dirigente inspecciono una compania directamente subordinada a esta unidad donde recorrio las instalaciones de cultura, educacion e intendencia y presto una profunda atencion a la vida de los militares. se regocijo mucho de que al heredar el estilo de lucha y el modo de vida de los guerrilleros antijaponeses, la compania organiza con esmero la vida economica y particularmente, los miembros directivos cuidan cordialmente como consanguineos la vida de los soldados y evaluo altamente el espiritu de amor de ellos a los soldados. en el lugar de descanso al aire libre de la compania, vio un libro de dibujos del soldado de primera clase ri song hyok "sera eterna la recordacion de la digna vida de soldado". viendo uno tras otro los dibujos que reflejan vividamente los dias de su digno servicio militar, dijo que el que los militares lleven una autentica vida para que la recuerden para siempre es una cosa muy buena y subrayo que no hay una vida tan honrosa y valiosa como dedique la juventud a la defensa de la patria. presencio tambien la funcion artistica de los integrantes de la compania que pasan alegres momentos de descanso del domingo. al oir canciones de los militares, evaluo altamente a estos que prefieren a revolucionar y luchar y llevan una vida optimista y los estimulo cordialmente. el dirigente kim jong il se fotografio junto a militares de la unidad. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ninos coreanos celebran dia internacional de la infancia pyongyang, 2 de junio (atcc) -- los ninos de corea celebraron significativamente el dia internacional de la infancia - primero de junio. las casas cuna y los jardines infantiles de todo el pais estaban adornados con banderines en cuerda, globos de goma y ramitas de flores y colgadas las letras: "gracias al querido padre, mariscal kim jong il", "estamos felices" y "no tenemos nada que envidiar en el mundo". estan animados desde la manana temprana por los ninos y sus padres y las educadoras. tuvieron lugar alli gimnasias, juegos deportivos y de recreacion y funciones artisticas de los ninos. al compas de las canciones "hoy es el dia primero de junio", "rendimos saludo al mariscal kim jong il", "tambien yo me hare girasol", etc. los ninos hicieron el ejercicio ritmico y ofrecieron funciones artisticas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mas de 220 espionajes aereos de los yanquis pyongyang, 2 de junio (atcc) -- segun fuentes militares, los imperialistas norteamericanos perpetraron en mayo mas de 220 espionajes aereos contra la republica popular democratica de corea con la movilizacion de los aviones de reconocimiento estrategico - tactico de diversas misiones. el avion "rc-135" espio el dia 29 la profundidad de la rpdc sobrevolando repetidamente desde la isla paek-a hasta el este de sokcho en el mar oeste de corea. el avion "ep-3" recurrio el dia 28 al espionaje sobre los blancos militares y el fondo del mar de la rpdc sobrevolando reiteradamente desde yangyang hasta el oeste de la isla taebu de la provincia de kangwon del sur y "p-3" lo hizo los dias 20 y 22 volando el cielo sobre sokcho y la isla tokjok del mar oeste. por otra parte, "rc-12" y "rc-7b" perpetraron los espionajes aereos sobre la zona del frente y las costas maritimas de la rpdc volando entre la isla kanghwa y phochon. tales espionajes aereos demuestran nitidamente un intento de guerra de los imperialistas yanquis para aplastar con las fuerzas armadas la rpdc so pretexto de "crisis nuclear". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please answer these questions:

Please answer these questions:

Of the many phone calls received by family members (whether or not any are recorded) of UA93 victims:

1) were the family members duped by voice imposters?

2) if not, and you assume the calls never happened, give one plausible scenario in which a dozen (or however many people claim they received calls from the plane that morning) random people (people whose family members happened to be on that flight) would agree with the government to enter into a conspiracy that would result in the deaths of their children/parents.

I am not asking for evidence. Only a plausible scenario. If I don't read one, I will assume you can't think of one -- which means your theory is not plausible and that you are being intellectually dishonest.

Finally, if you want to return this to me and ask me for a plausible scenario to support any of my views, please feel free to (after you offer a scenario to fit your theory). But, like I just did, don't ask me for evidence if evidence is not in the public record. Although I do work for the critical US Government Office of Obfuscating Indymedia Government Conspiracy Investigations, I don't have access to 9/11 evidence that is not in the public record.

korean mole spam still rolling

never mind reader - it's one of the govt's spamming obsolete,vain tactics to obfuscate the truth since thay have no counterarguments to speak of...

follow me patiently thru the revealing of the flight 93 calls as nothing but unsubstantiated allegations.

I'll hold off on the news update.

Utill mr. evidence decides whether he is going to address the valid inquiry.

todd beamer had a cell

says his jesus pussy wife lisa in her book,p 191:

>>from cell-phone records we know that he spoke to jonathan oomrigar at oracle...he also left some other voice-mail messages for business associates".

lisa beamer seems to say that these calls happened after boarding and before takeoff.

so why did todd allegedly use an airfone and not his cell when he made the famous alleged jefferson call?

and anyway again:

where are the gte-verizone records that confirm that let's roll call - just like mrs beamer says there's cell company records confirming the biz calls todd made from his cell after boarding?

News Flash! Korea status quo unabated

KCNA flails Japan's moves to blockade DPRK Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- The Japanese government is contemplating the adjustment of the system of exchanging information about illegal export with other Asian countries under the pretext of "preventing the illegal supply of weapons of mass destruction and missile substance." The adjustment of the system much publicized by Japan is aimed to set up an institutional mechanism of intercepting and inspecting vessels and aircraft that transport nuclear substance, missile parts or facilities and materials needed for manufacturing them. This is, in essence, designed to justify its blockade against the DPRK in all parts of Asia. Explicitly speaking, the DPRK has not acceded to the missile technology control system and, therefore, it is an independent sovereign state that is not bound to any law as far as export and transfer of technology are concerned. The DPRK government's policy of export of arms calls for making legal trade to meet demands of sovereign states for their legitimate self-defence. Therefore, the Japanese reactionaries' view that the DPRK might have smuggled nuclear substance and missiles to terrorist groups can not but be an insult to the DPRK's firm stand against terrorism. Japan's intention to intercept and inspect the DPRK's vessels is an insolent act that wantonly violates international law which bans searching or seizing ships in the open sea. What matters is that the Japanese reactionaries are acting a shock brigade in carrying out the Bush administration's policy to lay an international siege to the DPRK, taking advantage of its policy to stifle the DPRK in the wake of the U.S.-Japan summit talks. It is a publicly known fact that Bush and Koizumi vowed to inspect the DPRK's ships under the pretext of preventing the "smuggling of drugs and weapons and the illegal financial transaction" at the talks. To this end, Japan discussed the issue of setting its maritime "self-defence force" in motion to "intercept the DPRK's ships engaged in smuggling drugs, weapons and counterfeit money" and the way of taking "multilateral measures" against its ships in the open sea. Moreover, the chief cabinet secretary of Japan officially declared that he would take all measures including the inspection of the DPRK's ships at 50 Japanese ports. All this goes to clearly prove that by misusing the complicated and tense situation on the Korean peninsula the Japanese reactionaries seek to evade its responsibility to compensate for its hideous crimes committed against the Koreans in the past and realize its ambition for the reinvasion of Korea at any cost. If Japan infringes upon the sovereignty of the DPRK in cooperation with the U.S., prompted by a sinister intention, the DPRK will not hesitate to strongly retaliate against it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. commits nearly 200 cases of aerial espionage against DPRK Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- The U.S. imperialists committed nearly 200 cases of aerial espionage against the DPRK by mobilizing strategic and tactical reconnaissance planes with different missions in June, according to a military source. At around 7:50 on June 28 U-2 high-altitude strategic reconnaissance plane took off a U.S. air force base in South Korea and made shuttle flights in the sky over the area 120km west of Tokjok islet and in the sky over area 45km east of Phochon and Sokcho for more than 10 hours to spy on strategic targets of the DPRK. On June 27 RC-135 strategic reconnaissance plane based in Japan made shuttle flights in the sky over the areas 20km east of Paeka islet and areas 40km east of Yangphyong and Yangyang to spy on targets in the depth of the DPRK. On June 13 EP-3 electronic reconnaissance plane flew over Taebu islet, Hoengsong and Kangrung to spy on coastal areas and seabed of the DPRK. The aerial espionage getting more frantic in the wake of the "conclusion" of the Iraqi war of aggression clearly proves that the U.S. imperialists are becoming more undisguised in their moves to make a surprise preemptive attack on the DPRK over its "nuclear issue." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. deputy defense secretary's outbursts rebuffed Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- Some days before U.S. deputy defense secretary Wolfowitz, addressing a meeting of the house armed services committee, said: "the U.S. has the military capabilities to defeat North Korea, using all of the means at our disposal, the enormously improved strike capabilities that the world had seen in Iraq." He uttered this while raising a hue and cry over the possibility of the DPRK's attack upon someone. And he said that "the U.S. would make substantial investments to further strengthen the war fighting capabilities of the U.S. troops in South Korea and expect South Korea to significantly increase its military spending to cope with a possible war." In this regard Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary says that in view of the war outcries made by Wolfowitz, the outbreak of the second Korean war no longer seems to be a hypothesis. The commentary goes on: The U.S. plan for a military attack upon the DPRK has already been put into concrete shape. The U.S. is persistently insisting on multilateral talks in a bid to shift the responsibility for the nuclear crisis on the Korean peninsula onto the DPRK, while turning aside from the DPRK's constructive and principled proposals. This means that Washington is at the phase of making preparations for a military attack on the DPRK to stifle it. Its next phase is to lay an international siege to the DPRK in a bid to suffocate it and, on this basis, launch a war to finally seize the whole Korean peninsula. What the U.S. really seeks is not the settlement of the nuclear crisis on the Korean peninsula but putting it under its complete military control. This is clearly evidenced by the massive deployment of ultra-modern military hardware and intelligence gathering means and the relocation of the U.S. troops in South Korea. If the U.S. warlike forces provoke a war against the army and people of the DPRK, the Korean peninsula will turn into a graveyard of aggressors. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Japan's moves to lay Asian siege to DPRK assailed Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- The Japanese government was reported to have decided to adjust the system of exchanging information about the illegal export with all countries and regions in Asia to prevent North Korea's "illegal supply of weapons of mass destruction and missile-related materials." It does not hide the fact that this is aimed to lay an Asian siege to North Korea. In this regard Minju Joson today says in a signed commentary: The Japanese reactionaries are so reckless as to act a shock brigade in carrying out the U.S. policy to stifle the DPRK. This is prompted by their sinister intention to further aggravate the situation on the Korean peninsula in a bid to realize their invariable ambition for reinvasion. The ambition of the Japanese reactionaries to stage a comeback to Korea remains unchanged, the commentary observes, and continues: The Japanese reactionaries are now getting very busy with putting the "laws on emergency" into force and revising the present constitution. All this is aimed to realize their ambition for reinvasion. They regard the escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula as a golden opportunity for realizing this ambition. It is their hope that the nuclear crisis on the Korean peninsula will lead to the outbreak of a new war between the DPRK and the U.S. The possibility of a peaceful solution to the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula is steadily waning while the outbreak of the second Korean war is becoming a fait accompli due to the U.S. moves to stifle the DPRK and the Japanese reactionaries' reckless moves to join in them. The Japanese reactionaries had better think twice over the inescapable, strong retaliation to be entailed by their reckless moves to stifle the DPRK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mass meetings continued Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- Mass meetings were held to mark "June 25, Day of Struggle Against the U.S. Imperialists" in South Hamgyong and Ryanggang provinces and Nampho city on June 30. Speakers at the meetings said that the three-year Korean war was a brigandish and shameless war of aggression unleashed by the U.S. imperialists to dominate Korea as well as Asia and the world and a mass killing war beyond human imagination. Noting that the brutal massacre, destruction and plunder committed by the U.S. imperialists during the Korean war are indelible down through generations, they vehemently condemned the U.S. imperialists, the enemy in human skin, in the name of all the Korean people. If the U.S. imperialists run wild without discretion, misunderstanding the self-control and will of the Korean people, they will be more cursed and condemned by the Korean people who want peace and reunification and the world progressive people and get nothing but death, speakers solemnly warned. Attending the meetings were leading officials of local party and power organs and working people's organizations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Korea's metalwork Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- Korea has a long history of metalwork. Metalwork with plastic elaboration was produced and used by the Korean people as early as in the bronze age. In the initial stage it lacked variety in shape and was simple in pattern. Later, in ancient times, lute-shaped bronze daggers, narrow brass daggers, headband buttons of the horse and cart fittings, rings, bells, beads, necklaces and other articles of daily use and ornaments were turned out. In the period of Koguryo metalwork made a rapid progress in a diverse way with marked national characteristics. Of particular note were gold crowns, earrings, necklaces, rings, etc. During the Koryo dynasty, achievements of advanced science and technology and plastic art were turned to good account in employing a wide variety of new techniques and skills. The manufactured goods were of great artistic value. Typical damascene objects of Koryo are water jugs with landscapes inlaid with gold and silver thread, plates inlaid with silver thread and mirror stands, etc. In the period of the Ri dynasty the shapes of metalwork and ornaments were simple and natural, free from ostentation and exaggeration. All the products show well Korea's long and rich tradition of metal crafts. Today metalwork makes progress at a new higher stage in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. With the introduction of modern metal processing technique, precision casting method and new stamping technique, the metal crafts have become more delicate and precise. The method of casting on the surface of actual object presented by the DPRK was awarded a gold-silver medal at the 24th international exhibition of inventions, new techniques and new products held in Geneva in 1996. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodong Sinmun calls for doing work way President Kim Il Sung did Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- Rodong Sinmun today editorially says that the Korean revolution was started by President Kim Il Sung with his ideology, will and confidence and emerged victorious thanks to his grit and pluck. Calling for glorifying the history of the ever-victorious Korean revolution the way he did, the editorial says: His way is a way of struggle peculiar to the Korean army and people and serves as a powerful instrument of working miracles and building a prosperous nation. He founded the DPRK with his revolutionary spirit and optimism knowing no impossibility under the hard condition that everything was short, and created a heroic epic of socialist construction. It is the iron will and steadfast stand of leader Kim Jong Il to achieve final victory of revolution the way the president did, advancing along the road of Juche he opened up. The Korean people should do all work with the firm conviction that they can overcome any difficulties and occupy any fortress when they work the way the president did under the leadership of Kim Jong Il. Kim Jong Il is the general of Mt. Paektu who is successfully carrying forward the idea and cause of the president and he is the banner of victory in the DPRK. The Korean people should understand the immortal revolutionary history and greatness of leadership traits of Kim Jong Il with a firm faith that he is identical to the president. All the people should uphold the Songun policy of the Workers' Party of Korea and more firmly establish the traits of attaching importance to military affairs in the whole society. They should turn out in a decisive battle in a do-or-die spirit to defeat the enemy if it ignites a war of aggression. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement of chief of KPA Panmunjom mission Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) -- The chief of the Panmunjom mission of the Korean People's Army issued a statement on Tuesday. The statement says: A touch-and-go situation is now prevailing on the Korean peninsula owing to the U.S. undisguised policy to stifle the DPRK. Korea is at the crossroads of war or peace. It is, in fact, hardly possible to preserve the cease-fire in Korea by the unilateral efforts of the Korean People's Army side. On May 31 the U.S. side announced its "plan for arms buildup" aimed to equip its forces present in South Korea with new types of weapons, thus totally ditching paragraph 13 d of the armistice agreement which calls for ceasing the introduction into Korea of reinforcing combat aircraft, armored vehicles, weapons, and ammunition. According to the "plan" the U.S. will allot 11 billion U.S. dollars as military spending in a short span of time in a bid to massively introduce modern unmanned aircraft, armed helicopters, latest missiles, precision guided bombs, infantry combat vehicles, electronic command system, etc. into South Korea. Such massive military reinforcement proves that the U.S. preparations for attack on the DPRK have reached the final stage under the new strategy of "preemptive strike", instead of the "deterrence" strategy which has been so far pursued. At the same time, the U.S. is seeking to impose "sea and air blockade" and lay an "international siege network" against the DPRK by instigating its allies, including Japan, in disregard of paragraph 15 of the Armistice Agreement, which stipulates a ban on blockade of any kind in Korea. This action is aggravating the situation. Such military reinforcement, massive concentration of armed forces and blockade against one side of the two signatories to the AA in gross violation of it will mean a war in fact. Dark clouds of war are gathering to hang over the Korean peninsula as the days go by. The U.S. has already begun relocating its forces in South Korea to areas south of the River Han in a bid to save the forces from the KPA artillery firing range and create conditions for making a preemptive strike at the DPRK any time. However, there is no place in South Korea for the U.S. forces to escape from strike of the KPA. Any possible war in Korea will not be such a limited unilateral war as that fought in Afghanistan and Iraq but the fiercest and hardest fought war, life and death battles unprecedented in the world. The Korean people have steadily made full preparations to cope with such a grave war, well aware of it, experiencing all sorts of misfortune and hardships caused by the U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK for the past scores of years. The DPRK sternly warns the U.S. that it will be held wholly responsible for the irrevocable serious consequences to be entailed by its complete abrogation of the AA and horrible disasters to be inflicted upon the innocent South Koreans by its reckless war action, in particular. If the U.S. side applies sanctions against the DPRK and conducts sea and air blockade against it anywhere and starts bolstering up troops in and around the Korean peninsula, the KPA side will promptly regard it as a complete breach of the AA by the U.S. side and will immediately take strong and merciless retaliatory measures against the infringement upon the DPRK's sovereignty by mobilizing all its potentials, completely free from the binding force of the AA. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kim Jong Il nominated as candidate for 11th SPA Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) - General Secretary Kim Jong il was nominated by KPA servicemen as a candidate for deputy to the 11th Supreme People's Assembly. An electorate meeting of constituency no. 649 was held in Jonsung Square here today to nominate him as a candidate for deputy to the 11th SPA of the DPRK with tens of thousands of soldier voters attending. Jo Myong Rok, director of the KPA general political department, at the meeting solemnly declared that Kim Jong Il has been nominated as a candidate for deputy to the 11th SPA at the constituency with an absolute support and approval in reflection of the desire of all voters. A letter to Kim Jong Il was adopted there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kim Jong Il nominated as candidate for deputy to 11th SPA Pyongyang, July 1 (KCNA) - General Secretary Kim Jong Il was nominated by KPA servicemen as a candidate for a deputy to the 11th Supreme People's Assembly. An electorate meeting of constituency no. 649 was held at Jonsung Square here today to recommend him for the candidacy for a deputy to the 11th SPA of the DPRK with tens of thousands of soldier voters attending. Jo Myong Rok, director of the KPA General Political Department, in his report said that the shining annals of the DPRK are associated with Kim Jong Il's immortal exploits as he has firmly defended President Kim Il Sung's idea of nation-building and his exploits performed in it, successfully carried forward and developed them and worked heart and soul for the eternal prosperity of the republic. He continued: Kim Jong Il set up the state political system with main emphasis on national defence by applying the unique Songun idea, thus providing a sure guarantee for the DPRK to stand firm and victoriously advance despite whatever upheavals. He has wisely led the work to enhance the function and role of the people's government as required by the developing revolution, thus helping it creditably discharge its honorable mission as a protector of the sovereign rights of the popular masses, the organizer of their creative ingenuity and a master responsible for their living. The DPRK is demonstrating its might as an invincible power strong in ideology, politics and military capability and greatly encourages the world revolutionary people in their struggle for sovereignty, independence and socialism, leading the u.s. styling itself the world's "only superpower" by its nose. This is the shining fruition of his outstanding political ability and tested and experienced leadership. The reporter courteously proposed to nominate Kim Jong Il as a candidate for a deputy to the 11th SPA of the DPRK at constituency no. 649, representing the unanimous desire and ardent wishes of all the voters and servicepersons. Speakers including Kim Il Chol, Minister of the People's Armed Forces, fully supported and approved his proposal, evincing their firm resolution to devotedly defend the headquarters of the revolution and struggle for the security and prosperity of the socialist motherland, holding Kim Jong Il in high esteem. Jo proudly declared that Kim Jong Il was nominated as a candidate for a deputy to the SPA at constituency no.649 for the election of deputies to the 11th SPA with an absolute support and approval in reflection of the unanimous desire of all voters. That moment the square shook with welcome music and the rousing cheers "hurrah" of the servicepersons. A letter to Kim Jong Il was adopted there. In the letter the participants wholeheartedly hoped that he would accept this ardent request reflecting the unanimous desire of all the servicepersons and people. They vowed to firmly arm themselves with the WPK's Juche-oriented view on war and anti-imperialist class consciousness, increase the combat power and combat readiness of the people's army in every way as required by the tense situation reminiscent of an eve of a war and mercilessly wipe out the U.S. imperialists, if they ignite another war on this land, and thus accomplish the historic cause of national reunification without fail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Separated families and relatives reunite Mt. Kumgang, July 1 (KCNA) The seventh reunion of separated families and relatives from the north and the south of Korea continued at Mt. Kumgang resort. Those from the north met with their kinsmen from the south in the wake of the reunion of those from the south with their separated families and relatives from the north. Collective meeting took place on June 30 and family meeting on July 1. Those from different parts of the north showed their kinsmen from the south pictures of their own families enjoying a happy life and conveyed letters to them. They told their kinsmen to work together for national reunification and their permanent reunions, singing such songs as "hometown in spring" and "we are one". Those from the south expressed their will to work hard to put an early end to the tragedy of division and accelerate the reunification of the country. They posed for pictures and exchanged souvenirs. In the meantime, the South Korean Red Cross hosted a reception for them. Those from the north, together with their kinsmen from the south, toured the area of Lagoon Samil, a scenic spot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Spanish-speaking people -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- el mundo felicita 39 aniversario de inicio de trabajo de kim jong il en cc del ptc pyongyang, el primero de julio (atcc) -- se celebro significativamente en escala mundial el 39 aniversario del inicio de trabajo del dirigente kim jong il en el comite central del partido del trabajo de corea. al dirigente le hicieron llegar mensajes y cartas de felicitacion los lideres de mas de 80 partidos en poder y los progresistas, entre otros, el presidente nacional del partido democratico del pueblo de nigeria, el presidente del cc del partido de pueblo de cambodia, el presidente del cc del partido comunista brasileno, el secretario general del cc del partido congoleno del trabajo y el presidente del partido del trabajo de irlanda y un cesto de flores el secretario general del partido nacional progresista unido de egipto. con motivo de esa efemeride tuvieron lugar cientos de actos politicos en mas de 80 paises del mundo. en mexico, rumania y jordania se efectuaron el seminario nacional, acto y seminario conjuntos tomando por tema las proezas del dirigente kim jong il logradas en la construccion del partido y la direccion mediante el songun (priorizacion militar) bajo la participacion de las personalidades de numerosos partidos politicos. tambien, mas de 110 partidos en poder y los progresistas de mas de 60 paises, entre otros, el partido comunista del libano, el movimiento popular de malasia, el partido del comunista de polonia, partido comunista unido de italia, el partido comunista de tadjikistan, el partido comunista de bulgaria (marxista) y el partido comunista de checoslovaquia efectuaron los actos, charlas, conferencias, proyecciones filmicas, fotoexposiciones y otras actividades. el partido de la union socialista arabe de siria, el partido del frente de accion nacional de jordania y el movimiento nacional democratico popular de jordania definieron como literatura obligatoria las obras del dirigente kim jong il. el partido comunista de kirguizistan, el partido comunista mexicano, el partido socialista de mexico y otros dos partidos politicos firmaron la declaracion de pyongyang con motivo de la efemeride en cuestion. rusia, bangladesh, senegal, alemania, jamaica, venezuela y otros paises editaron en folleto las obras clasicas del dirigente entre otras "la difamacion del socialismo no sera tolerada" y "que toda la nacion unida alcance la reunificacion independiente y pacifica de la patria". los medios de prensa de numerosos paises incluyendo china, vietnam, nepal y congo democratico informaron de las obras del dirigente y sus actividades revolucionarias acompanadas de sus retratos y dieron redacciones especiales bajo los titulos "kim jong il, eminente dirigente del siglo xxi", "la especial capacidad politica del dirigente kim jong il", "kim jong il, gran maestro del circulo politico", "la filosofia politica de su excelencia kim jong il", etc. por otra parte, el presidente del partido por la paz y unidad de rusia, el presidente del comite ejecutivo del partido socialista obrero de rumania, el secretario general del cc del frente progresista de toda la india y otros dirigentes de partidos politicos publicaron declaraciones elogiando las inmortales hazanas y experiencias del dirigente kim jong il quien desarrollo el partido del trabajo de corea como la fuerza orientadora de la revolucion mediante el songun. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ceremonia de comienzo de construccion de la zona industrial de kaesong kaesong, 30 de junio (atcc) -- la ceremonia de comienzo de la construccion de la zona industrial de kaesong tuvo lugar el 30 de junio sobre el terreno. estuvieron presentes ri jong hyok, vicepresidente del comite coreano por la paz de asia y el pacifico, kim il gun, presidente del comite popular de la ciudad de kaesong, hwang chang gil, vicepresidente de la asociacion de cooperacion economica nacional, choe hyon gu, subdirector general de la direccion del desarrollo de la zona especial central y otros funcionarios e interesados de la constriccion de esta zona, asi como los ciudadanos de la ciudad de kaesong. tambien, participaron el presidente jong mong hon y el director kim yun gyu de la firma hyundai-asan, el director kim jin ho de la corporacion de tierra, los "parlamentarios" democraticos y las personalidades de los circulos politicos, sociales y economicos. en la ceremonia se escucharon el informe del director kim yun gyu relativo al comienzo de la construccion de la zona y seguidamente los discursos del director kim jin ho y el presidente jong mong hon. los oradores dijeron que el sur y el norte se reunian para celebrar la significativa ceremonia de comienzo de la construccion de la zona y senalaron la necesidad de promover exitosamente la labor de cooperacion economica de ambas partes para lograr la prosperidad comun de la economia nacional y la paz. dijeron que la zona industrial de kaesong serviria de una base para desarrollar la economia del sur y el norte y realizar la reunificacion y jugaria un gran papel para que corea se haga un centro de la economia del nordeste asiatico, y expresaron la conviccion de que a traves de la construccion de la zona manifestaran a todo el mundo la superioridad de la nacion coreana. el subdirector choe hyon gu en su discurso de felicitacion extendio saludo de felicitacion a todos los interesados del norte y el sur que hicieron todos los esfuerzos sinceros por efectuar la ceremonia de inicio de la construccion de la zona. a traves de la construccion de la zona industrial podremos consolidar la reconciliacion, la cooperacion y la confianza y fomentar el fervor por la reunificacion de toda nacion, dijo el. acto seguido, los asistentes escucharon la explicacion sobre el panorama de construccion de la zona industrial de kaesong. los participantes de la parte sur recorrieron las reliquias historicas de la zona de kaesong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- actos contrarios al derecho internacional pyongyang, el primero de julio (atcc) -- en estos dias, bajo el pretexto de la "detencion de abastecimiento ilicito de las armas de exterminio masivo y las partes de misiles" el gobierno japones trata de establecer el sistema de intercambio de las informaciones de la exportacion ilegal con los paises asiaticos. es decir, ese "sistema" es para establecer un aparato institucional para registrar y controlar los barcos y aviones que transportan las materias nucleares, las partes de misiles, los equipos y materiales necesarios para la fabricacion de estas. en su esencia es para justificar en la esfera regional el bloqueo contra corea. en resumen la republica popular democratica de corea es el estado soberano independiente que no se adhirio ni una vez al regimen de control de tecnologia de misiles y, por tanto, no tiene la necesidad de recibir la restriccion juridica alguna en la exportacion y la transferencia de tecnologia. la politica de exportacion de armas del gobierno de la rpdc reconoce solo el comercio legitimo segun la justa demanda defensiva de los paises soberanos. por tanto, el criterio de los reaccionarios japoneses, segun el cual la rpdc puede vender ilicitamente las materias nucleares y los misiles a las entidades terroristas, constituye un insulto a la firme posicion de la rpdc en la lucha contra el terrorismo. tal intencion de japon contraviene enteramente al derecho internacional que prohibe el acto de registrar o capturar los barcos en alta mar. el problema reside en que despues de la cumbre ee.uu.-japon los reaccionarios japoneses se presentan como brigada de choque para la formacion de la "red de cerco internacional" de la administracion bush contra la rpdc adhiriendose mas activamente a su politica de aplastamiento a esta. es conocido ampliamente por el mundo el hecho de que en esa cumbre bush y koizumi acordaron registrar los barcos coreanos para "interrumpir la venta ilicita de drogas y armas y la transaccion de fondos ilegales". para este fin japon discutio el "problema de movilizar las 'fuerzas maritimas de autodefensa' para controlar los barcos coreanos que transportan ilicitamente las drogas, las armas y los billetes falsificados" y el metodo de tomar las "medidas multilaterales" contra las naves coreanas en alta mar. para colmo, el director del secretariado del gabinete declaro que tomaria todas las medidas incluyendo la de controlar los barcos coreanos en los 50 puertos de japon. todo esto demuestra que los reaccionarios japoneses tratan de valerse de la situacion completa y tensa de la peninsula coreana para evitar la liquidacion de sus monstruosos actos criminales cometidos en el pasado contra el pueblo coreano y realizar a toda costa la ambicion de nueva agresion a corea. si japon con maligna ambicion y en contubernio con ee.uu. atenta la soberania de la rpdc, esta no vacilara en tomar las fuertes contramedidas. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

no proof for flight 93 calls

again from our beloved national american pussy lisa beamer,p 203:

>>tom burnett called deena a second time..three minutes later the pentagon was hit>>.

I'm not familiar with the latest obfuscations about the govt timeline for 911,but assuming the pentagon was hit at 9.43,then this alleged second tom burnett call from 93 must have happened at 9.40.

and yet again:neither lisa beamer nor jere longman nor any of them fucking pseudoinquirer congressmen have ever bothered to check company records to verify if mr nurnewtt's call happened or not...

is this a 911 pattern?

no proof babe,no proof - oh no...

unless of course you wanna credit deena burnett or rather the alleged deena burnett with being the second coming of jesus announcing the gospel truth...

no proof for flight 93 calls

Kim Jong says America sux.

Japanese reactionaries' moves under fire Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- The Japan Defense Agency set up the "headquarters for emergency measure" right after the U.S. start of the Iraqi war in a bid to support the U.S. military forces participating in the attacks on Iraq and intensify alert and watch on the DPRK, Nihon Keizai Shimbun said. The Japanese reactionaries are stepping up their preparations for reinvasion of the DPRK on the occasion of the U.S. war against Iraq, Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary says, and goes on: The Japanese militarist forces dispatched aegis to the East Sea of Korea and launched an intelligence satellite, aiming at reinvading Korea. They are building up military strength to realize their ambition for overseas expansion with the backing of the U.S. and taking the DPRK as the first target of their attack. Accordingly, their military strategy is focused on aggression on Korea. Their reckless moves, prompted by hostile hysteria against the DPRK, are a realistic danger. Bellicose remarks are made in Japan that a preemptive attack should be made on North Korea. We can not remain a passive onlooker to the reckless moves of the Japanese militarist forces, buoyed up by zeal for reinvasion as regards the U.S. war against Iraq. If Japan continues to run amuck in the preparations for reinvasion with the backing of the U.S., it will pay a very high price. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KCNA refutes Japan's sheer sophism Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- A Japanese delegate addressing the 59th UN meeting on human rights held in Geneva on March 19 let loose the sheer sophism that the Japanese government has done its utmost to settle the issue of abduction of Japanese, but the DPRK has refused to "cooperate" with it, arguing that North Korea's kidnapping of Japanese was a serious human rights abuse. This was a maladroit trick to internationalize the DPRK's "issue of human rights", tarnish its image and thus shirk its political and moral responsibility for having evaded its responsibility to redress its past. As already clarified by the DPRK more than once, the issue of abduction of Japanese has been already settled. Japan did enormous human and material, spiritual and moral damage to the Korean people in the last century. But the DPRK, prompted by its bold decision to eliminate the leftover of its past relations with Japan in the new century, fully probed the truth behind the abduction of Japanese accidentally perpetrated by individuals and met the request of Japan to send five Japanese survivors home for the time being. At that time the Japanese authorities promised to create an atmosphere for those survivors to make together with their families an independent decision on their future after their return to the DPRK from their 10-day hometown visit. But the Japanese authorities reneged on their promise. They unilaterally decided on the permanent residence of the survivors and have not yet allowed them to reunite with their families. If there is something unsettled as regards the issue of kidnapping, it was caused by the perfidy on the part of the Japanese authorities. After backtracking from the internationally recognized agreement and faith between the two states, Japan is making a clumsy excuse that it has done its utmost. This only brings its political and moral vulgarity and shamelessness into bolder relief. Japan tops the world list of kidnappers. It kidnapped and drafted more than 8.4 million young and middle-aged Koreans to hurl them into battle fields or force them to do slave labor. They forced at least 200,000 Korean women into sexual slavery for the Japanese army, killing most of them. It was disclosed recently that some agents of the bogus organization called the "fund for rescuing North Korean refugees," a non-governmental organization of Japan, made their way into the area of the DPRK-China border and kidnapped at least 20 Japanese spouses and Korean returnees from Japan in the DPRK and took them to Japan. This incident is creating a furore. The Japanese authorities should punish those responsible for kidnapping and taking DPRK citizens to Japan and open to the public the truth behind the above-said incident before talking about the issue of the kidnapping of Japanese. Japan can neither hold up its head nor have its say on the international arena unless it redresses its biggest crimes committed against the Korean people in the last century and probes and opens to the public the truth behind the recently disclosed case of kidnapping. The Japanese authorities should make a political decision on whether Japan will honestly redress its past in the spirit of the DPRK-Japan Pyongyang Declaration or continue beautifying its crime-woven past to remain recorded as a criminal state. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People's life bonds in DPRK Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- The DPRK will issue people's life bonds. The bonds are aimed to fully meet the great demand for funds necessary for the building of a powerful nation on the basis of the Korean people's noble patriotism and their awareness as citizens. This work will be carried out on the basis of voluntary principle and the Korean people's duty as citizens. The bonds will be redeemed by payment of drawn prize money and principal sum by lottery. 11 lotteries will be held during the term of validity lasting ten years. The bonds that won prizes will be redeemed by payment of prize money including principal sum and the bonds that drew a losing number will be redeemed by payment of principal sum during the term of validity. The bonds are popular ones as they contribute to the prosperity and development of the country and the promotion of the people's wellbeing. The issue of bonds is intended to meet the demand for funds necessary for modernizing the people's economy and boosting the production as required by it age. The issue of the bonds is significant in that it helps cover the shortage of fund by the efforts of the Korean people on the principle of self-reliance, not counting on foreign aid. The Korean people built new democratic Korea from scratch in hearty response to the call made by President Kim Il Sung to those with strength to dedicate strength, those with knowledge devote knowledge and those with money donate money for the nation-building after the country's liberation. They devoted themselves to defending the country by buying bonds as one even in the difficult period of the Fatherland Liberation War. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anecdote about Kim Jong Il Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- In March Juche 85 (1996) Kim Jong Il was in an inspection tour of a frontline area. It was in the dusk of the evening that he reached the peak of a high mountain. He got out of his car and carefully read the inscription of a monument to President Kim Il Sung's revolutionary activities built on the peak. He then said the ridge was associated with the president's revolutionary activities and deep love for servicemen. Kim Jong Il said he wanted to meet a sentry, and waited for twenty minutes, exposed to a biting wind. That day he met the sentry and take a picture with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Korean army ready to cope with war Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- Korean servicemen are angered by the Iraqi war the U.S. imperialists started and military manoeuvres they are staging in South Korea with the South Korean bellicose forces against the DPRK, regardless of world public denunciation. Ri Yong Son, a general of the Korean People's Army, said the joint manoeuvres are being staged with the mobilization of some 200,000-strong forces and huge military equipment including an aircraft carrier at a time when the DPRK-U.S. confrontation has become acute. The drill is obviously part of war preparations for stifling the DPRK by force of arms, he said. The U.S. imperialists, he noted, seek to heighten the tension on the Korean Peninsula and "punish" the DPRK as a "nuclear culprit". The Korean army is fully prepared to counter their war preparations, keeping a close eye on their reckless moves to stifle the DPRK, he said. It is the unswerving stand of the Korean People's Army to answer good faith with good intention and counter a tough policy with a tougher stance. Jong Nam Won, an officer of the KPA, said the U.S. imperialists' aggressive nature and their plan to invade the DPRK have remained unchanged. The United States, under the pretext of the "nuclear issue", intends to launch an invasion of the DPRK and stamp out its socialist society centred on the masses of the people, he said, adding: We accuse Bush of seeking an invasion of the DPRK, while giving a lip service to "dialogue". Kim Hae Yon, a KPA officer, said: The Iraqi war and the U.S.-South Korea military exercises make us clearly know of what we should do more, while making full preparations to defend ourselves. Once it has become apparent that the U.S. choice is to unleash a war against the DPRK, the Korean army is keeping itself fully prepared to cope with their new war preparations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anti-war rallies and demos in S. Korea Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- Large-scale rallies and demonstrations demanding a stop to the war and opposition to the troop dispatch were simultaneously held in 19 cities including Seoul, Inchon, Taejon, Taegu and Jonju on Mar. 29, according to MBC of South Korea. The (South) Korean Confederation of Trade Unions and 45 other civic and social organizations held a people's rally for a stop to the war and a check in the troop dispatch at Jongmyo park in Seoul, attended by over 3,000 citizens. The participants said that if the "National Assembly" decides on the troop dispatch to the Iraqi war for the U.S. supremacy it would face all-people resistance. 10-point demand for achieving the vital right of people including a stop to the war and check in the troop dispatch was released at the rally. At the end of the rally the participants staged a demonstration. In the evening a candle-light procession of over 5,000 citizens for peace against war was held in front of Kwanghwamun under the sponsorship of the All-People Measure Committee for Sin Hyo Sun and Sim Mi Son, Schoolgirls Killed By a U.S. Armored Car. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodong Sinmun on national cooperation Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- All the Koreans should tide over the dangerous situation prevailing on the Korean Peninsula in the do-or-die spirit that peace and security of the Korean nation should be kept by its concerted efforts. Rodong Sinmun today says this in a signed article. It goes on: National cooperation only guarantees peace of the country and security of the nation. It is the reasonable way of countermeasure for the north and south of Korea to have national cooperation against the U.S. moves to ignite a war of aggression. National cooperation serves as a powerful weapon to check and frustrate the U.S. attempt to unleash a war of aggression. Koreans in the north and the south do not want war but peace in the Korean Peninsula and desire to enjoy reunification and prosperity in a peaceful land free from the danger of being invaded by outsiders. Only when the Korean nation consolidates national cooperation by pooling its efforts can it resolutely frustrate the U.S. moves for a war of aggression against the DPRK. All the Koreans in the north, south and overseas should turn out as one in national cooperation, a short cut to national reunification and a key to victory. Anyone who values the soul of the Korean nation, really loves the country and the nation and wants peace in this land should pool efforts irrespective of differences in ideology and idea, political view and religious belief. The whole nation should have transparent spirit of national independence and decisively fight against flunkeyism and dependence on foreign forces, believing the strength of the nation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Spanish-speaking people -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- militares del epc hablan pyongyang, 31 de marzo (atcc) -- los militares del ejercito popular de corea no contienen una vehemente indignacion ante la realidad de hoy en que los imperialistas norteamericanos, luego de desatar la guerra contra irak a pesar de la oposicion de la opinion publica del mundo, se entregan freneticamente junto con las fuerzas belicosas de corea del sur a las maquinaciones de provocacion de una nueva guerra contra la republica popular democratica de corea. ri yong son, general del epc dijo: los ejercicios militares conjuntos que desarrollan en sudcorea las tropas norteamericanas y los belicistas surcoreanos, con la movilizacion de mas de 200 mil efectivos, el portaaviones y otros equipos militares coincidiendo con la extrema agravacion de la confrontacion entre la rpdc y ee.uu., constituyen maniobras agresivas y belicosas para aplastar con las fuerzas armadas la rpdc. el epc eleva la vigilancia y esta enteramente listo para hacer frente a los temerarios movimientos de enfrentamiento nuclear que dan los belicistas de ee.uu. segun su estrategia de aislamiento y aplastamiento a la rpdc. el epc tiene la firme posicion de principios de responder con la buena fe a la buena fe y con la sobredureza a la dureza. jong nam won, oficial del epc dijo: no ha cambiado ni en lo minimo la naturaleza agresiva de los imperialistas norteamericanos y su ambicion de agresion a la rpdc. ee.uu. trata de perpetrar la agresion militar a la rpdc acusando a esta de "problema nuclear" a fin de estrangular el socialismo coreano centrado en las masas populares. la politica con respecto a corea de la capa belicosa de ee.uu. es aplastar militarmente la rpdc y acabar con su regimen socialista de alta dignidad. repudiamos la desverguenza y la belicosidad de bush que anda con ojos inyectados de sangre en sus actos de agresion hablando hipocritamente del "dialogo". el epc empunara con mas firmeza el fusil cuanto mas fortalezcan los ee.uu. su amenaza militar y ofensiva de presion a la rpdc. kim hae yon, oficial del epc subrayo: la accion coercitiva de ee.uu. contra irak y las maquinaciones de preparacion belica que cometen en la peninsula coreana ee.uu. y sus lacayos nos obligan a conocer a las claras que cosas debemos hacer mas disponiendo de todo lo que este a nuestro alcance para la defensa justa. puesto que se ha hecho evidente que ee.uu. tomo el camino de la guerra para aplastar la rpdc, el epc adopta las estrictas medidas para hacer frente a sus maniobras de provocacion de una nueva guerra de los enemigos y toma perfecta disposicion de aniquilar de un solo golpe a los agresores. el epc infligira un golpe demoledor a los agresores norteamericanos si estos se atreven a desatar la temeraria guerra de agresion contra la rpdc de modo que no pueda quedar ni uno de ellos. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Is this how you deal with loss?

thanx 1.18

sharp and to the point.

I sure can use your support.

no amount of spam will make us give up the fight.

thanx.

America under attack! Film at 11.

Japanese reactionaries' moves under fire Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- The Japan Defense Agency set up the "headquarters for emergency measure" right after the U.S. start of the Iraqi war in a bid to support the U.S. military forces participating in the attacks on Iraq and intensify alert and watch on the DPRK, Nihon Keizai Shimbun said. The Japanese reactionaries are stepping up their preparations for reinvasion of the DPRK on the occasion of the U.S. war against Iraq, Rodong Sinmun today in a signed commentary says, and goes on: The Japanese militarist forces dispatched aegis to the East Sea of Korea and launched an intelligence satellite, aiming at reinvading Korea. They are building up military strength to realize their ambition for overseas expansion with the backing of the U.S. and taking the DPRK as the first target of their attack. Accordingly, their military strategy is focused on aggression on Korea. Their reckless moves, prompted by hostile hysteria against the DPRK, are a realistic danger. Bellicose remarks are made in Japan that a preemptive attack should be made on North Korea. We can not remain a passive onlooker to the reckless moves of the Japanese militarist forces, buoyed up by zeal for reinvasion as regards the U.S. war against Iraq. If Japan continues to run amuck in the preparations for reinvasion with the backing of the U.S., it will pay a very high price. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KCNA refutes Japan's sheer sophism Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- A Japanese delegate addressing the 59th UN meeting on human rights held in Geneva on March 19 let loose the sheer sophism that the Japanese government has done its utmost to settle the issue of abduction of Japanese, but the DPRK has refused to "cooperate" with it, arguing that North Korea's kidnapping of Japanese was a serious human rights abuse. This was a maladroit trick to internationalize the DPRK's "issue of human rights", tarnish its image and thus shirk its political and moral responsibility for having evaded its responsibility to redress its past. As already clarified by the DPRK more than once, the issue of abduction of Japanese has been already settled. Japan did enormous human and material, spiritual and moral damage to the Korean people in the last century. But the DPRK, prompted by its bold decision to eliminate the leftover of its past relations with Japan in the new century, fully probed the truth behind the abduction of Japanese accidentally perpetrated by individuals and met the request of Japan to send five Japanese survivors home for the time being. At that time the Japanese authorities promised to create an atmosphere for those survivors to make together with their families an independent decision on their future after their return to the DPRK from their 10-day hometown visit. But the Japanese authorities reneged on their promise. They unilaterally decided on the permanent residence of the survivors and have not yet allowed them to reunite with their families. If there is something unsettled as regards the issue of kidnapping, it was caused by the perfidy on the part of the Japanese authorities. After backtracking from the internationally recognized agreement and faith between the two states, Japan is making a clumsy excuse that it has done its utmost. This only brings its political and moral vulgarity and shamelessness into bolder relief. Japan tops the world list of kidnappers. It kidnapped and drafted more than 8.4 million young and middle-aged Koreans to hurl them into battle fields or force them to do slave labor. They forced at least 200,000 Korean women into sexual slavery for the Japanese army, killing most of them. It was disclosed recently that some agents of the bogus organization called the "fund for rescuing North Korean refugees," a non-governmental organization of Japan, made their way into the area of the DPRK-China border and kidnapped at least 20 Japanese spouses and Korean returnees from Japan in the DPRK and took them to Japan. This incident is creating a furore. The Japanese authorities should punish those responsible for kidnapping and taking DPRK citizens to Japan and open to the public the truth behind the above-said incident before talking about the issue of the kidnapping of Japanese. Japan can neither hold up its head nor have its say on the international arena unless it redresses its biggest crimes committed against the Korean people in the last century and probes and opens to the public the truth behind the recently disclosed case of kidnapping. The Japanese authorities should make a political decision on whether Japan will honestly redress its past in the spirit of the DPRK-Japan Pyongyang Declaration or continue beautifying its crime-woven past to remain recorded as a criminal state. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People's life bonds in DPRK Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- The DPRK will issue people's life bonds. The bonds are aimed to fully meet the great demand for funds necessary for the building of a powerful nation on the basis of the Korean people's noble patriotism and their awareness as citizens. This work will be carried out on the basis of voluntary principle and the Korean people's duty as citizens. The bonds will be redeemed by payment of drawn prize money and principal sum by lottery. 11 lotteries will be held during the term of validity lasting ten years. The bonds that won prizes will be redeemed by payment of prize money including principal sum and the bonds that drew a losing number will be redeemed by payment of principal sum during the term of validity. The bonds are popular ones as they contribute to the prosperity and development of the country and the promotion of the people's wellbeing. The issue of bonds is intended to meet the demand for funds necessary for modernizing the people's economy and boosting the production as required by it age. The issue of the bonds is significant in that it helps cover the shortage of fund by the efforts of the Korean people on the principle of self-reliance, not counting on foreign aid. The Korean people built new democratic Korea from scratch in hearty response to the call made by President Kim Il Sung to those with strength to dedicate strength, those with knowledge devote knowledge and those with money donate money for the nation-building after the country's liberation. They devoted themselves to defending the country by buying bonds as one even in the difficult period of the Fatherland Liberation War. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anecdote about Kim Jong Il Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- In March Juche 85 (1996) Kim Jong Il was in an inspection tour of a frontline area. It was in the dusk of the evening that he reached the peak of a high mountain. He got out of his car and carefully read the inscription of a monument to President Kim Il Sung's revolutionary activities built on the peak. He then said the ridge was associated with the president's revolutionary activities and deep love for servicemen. Kim Jong Il said he wanted to meet a sentry, and waited for twenty minutes, exposed to a biting wind. That day he met the sentry and take a picture with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Korean army ready to cope with war Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- Korean servicemen are angered by the Iraqi war the U.S. imperialists started and military manoeuvres they are staging in South Korea with the South Korean bellicose forces against the DPRK, regardless of world public denunciation. Ri Yong Son, a general of the Korean People's Army, said the joint manoeuvres are being staged with the mobilization of some 200,000-strong forces and huge military equipment including an aircraft carrier at a time when the DPRK-U.S. confrontation has become acute. The drill is obviously part of war preparations for stifling the DPRK by force of arms, he said. The U.S. imperialists, he noted, seek to heighten the tension on the Korean Peninsula and "punish" the DPRK as a "nuclear culprit". The Korean army is fully prepared to counter their war preparations, keeping a close eye on their reckless moves to stifle the DPRK, he said. It is the unswerving stand of the Korean People's Army to answer good faith with good intention and counter a tough policy with a tougher stance. Jong Nam Won, an officer of the KPA, said the U.S. imperialists' aggressive nature and their plan to invade the DPRK have remained unchanged. The United States, under the pretext of the "nuclear issue", intends to launch an invasion of the DPRK and stamp out its socialist society centred on the masses of the people, he said, adding: We accuse Bush of seeking an invasion of the DPRK, while giving a lip service to "dialogue". Kim Hae Yon, a KPA officer, said: The Iraqi war and the U.S.-South Korea military exercises make us clearly know of what we should do more, while making full preparations to defend ourselves. Once it has become apparent that the U.S. choice is to unleash a war against the DPRK, the Korean army is keeping itself fully prepared to cope with their new war preparations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anti-war rallies and demos in S. Korea Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- Large-scale rallies and demonstrations demanding a stop to the war and opposition to the troop dispatch were simultaneously held in 19 cities including Seoul, Inchon, Taejon, Taegu and Jonju on Mar. 29, according to MBC of South Korea. The (South) Korean Confederation of Trade Unions and 45 other civic and social organizations held a people's rally for a stop to the war and a check in the troop dispatch at Jongmyo park in Seoul, attended by over 3,000 citizens. The participants said that if the "National Assembly" decides on the troop dispatch to the Iraqi war for the U.S. supremacy it would face all-people resistance. 10-point demand for achieving the vital right of people including a stop to the war and check in the troop dispatch was released at the rally. At the end of the rally the participants staged a demonstration. In the evening a candle-light procession of over 5,000 citizens for peace against war was held in front of Kwanghwamun under the sponsorship of the All-People Measure Committee for Sin Hyo Sun and Sim Mi Son, Schoolgirls Killed By a U.S. Armored Car. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodong Sinmun on national cooperation Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- All the Koreans should tide over the dangerous situation prevailing on the Korean Peninsula in the do-or-die spirit that peace and security of the Korean nation should be kept by its concerted efforts. Rodong Sinmun today says this in a signed article. It goes on: National cooperation only guarantees peace of the country and security of the nation. It is the reasonable way of countermeasure for the north and south of Korea to have national cooperation against the U.S. moves to ignite a war of aggression. National cooperation serves as a powerful weapon to check and frustrate the U.S. attempt to unleash a war of aggression. Koreans in the north and the south do not want war but peace in the Korean Peninsula and desire to enjoy reunification and prosperity in a peaceful land free from the danger of being invaded by outsiders. Only when the Korean nation consolidates national cooperation by pooling its efforts can it resolutely frustrate the U.S. moves for a war of aggression against the DPRK. All the Koreans in the north, south and overseas should turn out as one in national cooperation, a short cut to national reunification and a key to victory. Anyone who values the soul of the Korean nation, really loves the country and the nation and wants peace in this land should pool efforts irrespective of differences in ideology and idea, political view and religious belief. The whole nation should have transparent spirit of national independence and decisively fight against flunkeyism and dependence on foreign forces, believing the strength of the nation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Spanish-speaking people -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- militares del epc hablan pyongyang, 31 de marzo (atcc) -- los militares del ejercito popular de corea no contienen una vehemente indignacion ante la realidad de hoy en que los imperialistas norteamericanos, luego de desatar la guerra contra irak a pesar de la oposicion de la opinion publica del mundo, se entregan freneticamente junto con las fuerzas belicosas de corea del sur a las maquinaciones de provocacion de una nueva guerra contra la republica popular democratica de corea. ri yong son, general del epc dijo: los ejercicios militares conjuntos que desarrollan en sudcorea las tropas norteamericanas y los belicistas surcoreanos, con la movilizacion de mas de 200 mil efectivos, el portaaviones y otros equipos militares coincidiendo con la extrema agravacion de la confrontacion entre la rpdc y ee.uu., constituyen maniobras agresivas y belicosas para aplastar con las fuerzas armadas la rpdc. el epc eleva la vigilancia y esta enteramente listo para hacer frente a los temerarios movimientos de enfrentamiento nuclear que dan los belicistas de ee.uu. segun su estrategia de aislamiento y aplastamiento a la rpdc. el epc tiene la firme posicion de principios de responder con la buena fe a la buena fe y con la sobredureza a la dureza. jong nam won, oficial del epc dijo: no ha cambiado ni en lo minimo la naturaleza agresiva de los imperialistas norteamericanos y su ambicion de agresion a la rpdc. ee.uu. trata de perpetrar la agresion militar a la rpdc acusando a esta de "problema nuclear" a fin de estrangular el socialismo coreano centrado en las masas populares. la politica con respecto a corea de la capa belicosa de ee.uu. es aplastar militarmente la rpdc y acabar con su regimen socialista de alta dignidad. repudiamos la desverguenza y la belicosidad de bush que anda con ojos inyectados de sangre en sus actos de agresion hablando hipocritamente del "dialogo". el epc empunara con mas firmeza el fusil cuanto mas fortalezcan los ee.uu. su amenaza militar y ofensiva de presion a la rpdc. kim hae yon, oficial del epc subrayo: la accion coercitiva de ee.uu. contra irak y las maquinaciones de preparacion belica que cometen en la peninsula coreana ee.uu. y sus lacayos nos obligan a conocer a las claras que cosas debemos hacer mas disponiendo de todo lo que este a nuestro alcance para la defensa justa. puesto que se ha hecho evidente que ee.uu. tomo el camino de la guerra para aplastar la rpdc, el epc adopta las estrictas medidas para hacer frente a sus maniobras de provocacion de una nueva guerra de los enemigos y toma perfecta disposicion de aniquilar de un solo golpe a los agresores. el epc infligira un golpe demoledor a los agresores norteamericanos si estos se atreven a desatar la temeraria guerra de agresion contra la rpdc de modo que no pueda quedar ni uno de ellos. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't know why you call this spam.

It's alternative news. Isn't that what IMC is all about? And it's socialist news. Isn't that too, what IMC is all about? I ask you, is this spam? Or is it the future of America?

This is news. I just want to share it with you. My brothers.

And it's far more interesting than most of your posts. I suppose if there was anyone here that wanted to debate facts and not just premise all their tripe on prevarication and degeneration, there might be something more worthy around here to read.

Until that happens...

Read up!

black box bullcrap

and now to the black box myth.

no amount of spam will deter truth pursuers - but it sure jams the uploading and slows down the commenting - exactly what these govt shills are all about on indy 24/7 - now we know.

anyway,back to flight 93.

back to longman's book p 269 ff.:

on april 18,2002 about 70 flight 93 family members reportedly gathered >>to hear the cockpit voice recorder from flight 93 at a hotel in princeton>> courtesy of the fbi.

but those relatives could have spared themselves the hassle:

>>the noise of wind and alarms further muddled the sounds...without a transcript,LISTENERS SAY THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DISTINGUISH FEW WORDS.SOME LATER SAID THAT THE TAPE RAISED MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT ANSWERED.<<

conclusion:the alleged cocpit voice recorder played by the fbi that day tells us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what really happened on 911.

This buds for you

amalababalazeebulaboobala.

Wow!!

Talk about spam!

You guys are seriously pathetic.

You get your asses handed to you and you start acting like little bitches.

Oh well. I guess it time you chalk this one up for my side.

Thanks for the concession, of sorts.

fresca

I'M the one who's spamming this thread, you moron. Would you like me to help you take your head out of your ass?

We're studying you

Conspiracy theories are accepted with blind trust ... To oppose these theories with proof and argument, to point out the inanity of each taken separately appears futile. Belief in conspiracy is not based on fact or reason, and is thus unaffected by them. Conspiracy theories offer individuals well-organized enemies against whom the self is defined; this offers them a
guiding structure and purpose (Farr, 1987).

Conspiracy theories can only be disproved through the demonstration of their logical inconsistency or through the elaboration of a further conspiracy theory that encompasses the original. Conspiracy paradigms tend to reproduce themselves in ever-expanding, grand unified theories (Knight, 1999).

It searches incessantly for causal chains linking the actions of intentional agents. It denies structural indeterminacy and inscrutability. As such, the conspiracy genre represents a completely modern phenomenon with a hypertrophied, rather than atrophied, rational structure. As a contemporary hermeneutic, however, conspiracy theories remain profoundly ambivalent: They desire final truth while questioning its very possibility; they seek ultimate agency and intentionality while doubting others'
credibility and search for unmanipulated knowledge (chunks of the "really real") while wondering if its very existence is not fabricated (Stewart, 1999). Or, to use an all too familiar trope: The truth is out there; we just
can't quite get it. Lacking any such unmediated knowledge, conspiracy theories attempt to map an over-profusion of information into a coherent narrative web or master plot--what S. Paige Baty refers to as a "cartographic mode of remembering" (Baty, 1995). Viewed from a functionalist perspective, they represent, in Frederic Jameson's words, "the poor person's cognitive mapping in the postmodern age...a desperate attempt to represent the late capitalist system" by those marginalized from it (Jameson, 1988). This restores an illusion of agency and control: "Conspiracies can be thwarted, earthquakes cannot" (Zuiker, 1987). In this sense, they should be seen as a completely reasonable and socially relevant response to the uncertainties of late modernity.

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REFERENCES:

Farr, R.M. 1987. Self/other relations and the social nature of reality. In

Changing Conceptions of Conspiracy, ed. by C. F. Graumann and S. Moscovici.

New York: Springer-Verlag.

Peter Knight, "A 'Plague of Paranoia': Theories of Conspiracy Theory since

the 1960s," in Fear Itself: Enemies Real and Imagined in American Culture.

Nancy Lusignan Schultz, ed. (West Lafayette, IN: Purdue University Press,

1999), pp. 23-50.

Kathleen Stewart, "Conspiracy Theory's Worlds," in Paranoia Within Reason:

Casebook on Conspiracy as Explanation, George E. Marcus, ed. (Chicago:

University of Chicago Press, 1999), pp. 12-19.

S. Paige Baty, American Monroe: The Making of a Body Politic (Berkeley:

University of California Press, 1995).

Frederic Jameson, "Cognitive Mapping," in Marxism and the Interpretation of

Culture, Carey Nelson and Lawrence Grossberg, eds. (Basingstoke: Macmillan,

1988), p. 355.

Henri Zuiker, "The Conspiratorial Imperative: Medieval Jewry in Western

Europe," in Changing Conceptions of Conspiracy. Carl F. Graumann and Serve

Moscovici, eds. (New York: Springer-Verlag, 1987), p. 90.

This is the best I can do.

todd beamer's free call

back to our by now famous longman book about flight 93.

longman is a mainstream writer who blindly swallows any govt 911 conspiracy swill shoved down his throat by just about anybody.

p 198:

>>at 9.45,todd beamer had reached a gte-verizon operator<<

let me just remind readers in passing how according to his alleged wife lisa,todd had made a few cell calls from the plane before takeoff - so how come he didn't use his cell at 9.45?

>>by pushing a latch,todd had withdrawn the phone from a set-back and unspooled its cord.he had pressed "0" and reached an office in Oak Brook illinois fifteen minutes from chicago's o'hare airport.<<:

really mr longman? you're so damn sure about it - as if you'd been on the plane too next to todd.

well since you're such a blind clairvoyant mr longman please tell us:

-does one use gte-verizon airfones for free?

-doesn't one need to swipe one's credit card thru the damn thing?
I don't fuckin' know I never used a gte airfone so please tell me .

-nothing is for free in this country and it would indeed surprise me if todd beamer had called for an alleged 15 minutes for free- what was that,collect?...

-and if he did swipe his credit card across the airfone,well then there must be a record of his credit card number with gte- where his this record mr fbi director mueller?

blind trust

>>Conspiracy theories are accepted with blind trust >>:

exactly what happened with many americans who accepted the only 911 conspiracy theory:

the govt's official version - whose evidence is zero repest ZERO.

blind faith

>>conspiracy that would result in the deaths of their children/parents.>>:

please provide evidence that any of the alleged plane victims really died.

I'm going to start doing this everytime I get my ass handed to me in an argument. That's 99.9% of the time.

spam instead of arguments

I'm gonna start spamming again every time I get my ass kicked in an argument- which happens 99,9% of the time.

Those psychologists are pretty good!

"please provide evidence that any of the alleged plane
victims really died. "

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Conspiracy paradigms tend to reproduce themselves
in ever-expanding, grand unified theories (Knight, 1999).

They desire final truth while questioning its very
possibility; they seek ultimate agency and intentionality
while doubting others' credibility and search for
unmanipulated knowledge (chunks of the "really real")
while wondering if its very existence is not fabricated
(Stewart, 1999).

C&P'ing is all I have. I'm a conservative.

eddie has no evidence

...he's just another blind believer.

yeah those psychologists were right.

ROFL!

please provide evidence that any of the alleged plane
victims really died.

It's come to this.

Reductio ad absurdum.

You're right. 9-11 never even happened.
All the evidence of deaths, including bodies found at the PA and Pentagon crash sites and verified identification of at least a fair amount of the victims, all of which can be found in vast quantities by doing a search, were 100% fabricated.

Damn. I can't believe I was such a sucker.

Well, at least it's good to know that we weren't attacked and that no one here or in Afaganistan or Iraq died.

Whew!

logical fallacy

>>All the evidence of deaths, including bodies found at the PA and Pentagon crash sites and verified identification of at least a fair amount of the victims, all of which can be found in vast quantities by doing a search, >>>:

totally unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading Logic for Dumb and Dumber.

My mother taught me...

Hey Fresca,

Can you believe these people? My mother taught me
to not laugh at the mentally challenged. But what the
hell. Hahah. I have a newfound respect for the work
of psychologists. These whackos are following the
script line-by-line.

It is interesting to note how some people seek comfort
in the unpredictability of this world by simplifying events
in this way.

Sometimes I wonder if IMC is not a public service funded by the American Psychological Association --
providing a cathartic outlet for the delusional paranoid.

At least this way, we don't have to watch them mumble
incoherently on our cities' sidewalks.

Eddie

"My mother taught me
to not laugh at the mentally challenged"

That's great advice. Just remember not to laugh the next time you look into a mirror. Idiot.

no proof for flight 93 deaths

...and that according to mainstream writer longman - not to some radical or anarchist website.

again from the book among the heroes,p 260:

>>the collective weight of the 44 people aboard the plane was seven thousand five hundred pounds,the coroner said.only six hundred pounds of remains were recovered...sixty percent of the recovered remains were unidentifiable>>:

that's what - some 8% of the expected victims was allegedly recovered - and of that scant 8%,60% was unidentifiable!!!

that's what - only some 3% of the victims' total weight was identified...allegedly!

wow what a rock solid certainty for those deaths aboard flight 93....

Brilliant analysis, there

Maybe next year, in the 8th grade, you'll learn a little
more about DNA and the impossibility of making
positive forensic identification on mixed samples.

Ignatius

Oh my valve!

You got it.

These are really the cream of the crop.

Virtual museums of pathology.

They are entertaining though.

Especially the fruitcake who literally sits angrily in front of his computer all day, pounding his fists as he types quotes from the Beemer book. I love that guy!

Did you see "Crumb".

I think his whole family posts here.

Answer

"-doesn't one need to swipe one's credit card thru the damn thing?
I don't fuckin' know I never used a gte airfone so please tell me ."

No. One can call the Airfone operator for free by dialing
zero. But, according to Newsweek, Beamer tried and
failed to use his card and the call was routed to the
operator.
http://flight93.org/newsweek-0922.html

PS: And it really surprises me that you have never used the Airfone ;-)

where are the records?

>>Beamer tried and
failed to use his card and the call was routed to the
operator.>>:

and you blindly believe it don't you?

where are the records?

how come none of the so called 911 inquiries bothered to subpoena the gte records and verify that I'm aware of?

no proof for flight 93 deaths

again from longman's book p 260:

>>> "I never saw a drop of blood" Miller [the local coroner] said "not even the first day"

no proof for flight 93 deaths

longman p 266:

>>it was as if, [coroner Miller] said ...THE PASSENGERS HAD BEEN LET OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE<<.

hmmmmmmmm..................

Crazy Talk

"how come none of the so called 911 inquiries bothered to subpoena the gte records and verify that I'm aware of?
"

Perchance you are simply NOT AWARE OF THEM?
Perhaps not. Who knows.

How, in any way, does the lack of a supoena even suggest that the calls didn't happen?

Crazy logic there boy.

Besides. The calls obviously did happen, and your refusal to explain any motive for so many people lying about them, if they didn't, tells us that you agree.

Thank you.

Then again...

...I wouldn't know logic if it plucked out my ass hair.

Waste of time arguing with kids

"how come none of the so called 911 inquiries bothered to subpoena the gte records and verify that I'm aware of? "

Why would you be aware of the existence of records
and whether they were entered into evidence? Who
are you besides just another google jockey?

"I never saw a drop of blood" Miller [the local coroner] said "not even the first day"

So what? Next year in science class maybe they'll
teach you that DNA is also found in cells other than
blood cells.

"it was as if, [coroner Miller] said ...THE PASSENGERS HAD BEEN LET OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE"

Ooh. There it is. The smoking gun. I'm sure he really
meant that literally...

Eddie

"Waste of time arguing with kids"

I agree. That's why I choose not to argue with you.

logica fallacy

>>The calls obviously did happen<<:

unsubstantiated allegation - try reading Logic for the Braindead.

fresca incorrect

>>and your refusal to explain any motive for so many people lying about them>>:

"so many"???

actually,as far as flight 93 is concerned,it seems we always get to hear or see the same 2 or 3 all over again:

Lisa Beamer,Lisa Jefferson,Alice Hoglan,maybe another one or two.

your refusal to explain any motive for the 911 inquiries or the media not being interested in crosschecking with the dozes others who allegedly witnessed the alleged calls is starting to look real biased...

Actually

">>The calls obviously did happen<<:

unsubstantiated allegation -
"

Turns out. It's pretty well substantiated. Do some reading.

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"Turns out. It's pretty well substantiated."

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logical phallacy

>>It's pretty well substantiated>>:

unsubstantiated allegation.

try reading the rest of the thread above for this.

you may skip your korea spam if you will er...oooops,I meant fresca.

What?

Why should people who lost a loved one be obliged to
share their final conversation with the media?

You have to remember that these people have no clue
that there is a very small group of mentally ill people out there who are demanding proof of these calls. Get
a grip -- you are the lunatic fringe. They have no obligation to share this private moment with you.
Some have spoken with the media and those
conversations are in the public record.

THE LUNATIC IS IN YOUR HEAD

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"Get a grip -- you are the lunatic fringe."

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Eddie

"THE LUNATIC IS IN YOUR HEAD"

That statement is true only if you are looking into a mirror whilst speaking it.

flight 93 mysteries

longman p.xiii f.:

>>terry tyksinski,a longtime united flight attendant,said she was told six months after the crash,by a customer service supervisor who witnessed the incident,THAT TWO PASSENGERS LEFT THE PLANE WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED THERE WOULD BE A FIVE-MINUTE DELAY IN PUSHING BACK FROM THE GATE<<:

thanx longman.really interesting.

let's check this out.no fucking 911 inquiry has done it so far that I know.

isn't it time,fuckin' fbi director mueller,2 years from 911,you told the public:

-if you interviewed this customer service supervisor
-the names of the 2 flight 93 passengers reported to have left the plane
-why have you said there were 44 people aboard the plane if in fact 2 left before takeoff
-where are those 2 now
-how the hell is it possible for passengers to leave a flight after boarding and just walk off.

HIGH TIME YOU REPLIED,BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell us Mystery Man

"let's check this out.no fucking 911 inquiry has done it so far that I know. "

You keep claiming to have inside knowledge of who and what is subpoened for the inquiry. Would you mind letting us know your source? You don't have to name names. A title would be sufficient.

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"Eddie"

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all I'm saying is

...I'm not aware of the issue of the 2 passengers reportedly leaving flight 93 ever havinh been publicly accounted for by mueller or the inquiriie or the massmedia.

but if you eddie can prove otherwise,feel free to do it instead of straining logic ad absurdum.

flight 93 mysteries

longman p xiv:

>>the first-class passengers were dark-complexioned,"kind of black not black" the supervisor said,according to tyksinski,a flight attendant for 35 years who is on disability leave and who was a close friend of flight 93 attendant lorraine bay.the supervisor said she noted the names of the passengers and was subsequently twice interviewed by the fbi,tyksinski said.>>:

wow,so you did ask around mueller boy.

will you please finally share with us,2 years after 911,the results of your interview?

who were these 2?

they were sitting first class,so that narrows down the number of passengers to look from.

they were kind of black not black - a telltale detail.

to be continued...

flight 93 lies

so if 2 passengers left flight 93 before takeoff - what a strange unusual suspicious thing to do - ;

and if they were kind of black not black,then:

1.why is the official figure for flight 93 fotyfour victims when it should be 42?

2.I looked at the photos af all alleged flight 93 passengers and crew:

they are all repeat all either white or black - the only ones who would fit the black not black description are 2 of the alleged hijackers,one being their alleged leader jarrah.

does this mean that jarrah left the plane before takeoff with one of his fellows?

that would leave only 2 alleged hijackers in the plane...

then way do all alleged calls from flight 93 speak of 3 reapeat three hijackers???

hmmmmmmmm...

mueller bastard I'm talking to you terrorist traitor thug:

since you apparently interviewed the unnamed supervisor from united airlines who reportded the story,what are your conclusions?

don't you think you and your gang of thugs ought to be accountable to the public after 2 years???

thought this was a democracy...

no proof for flight 93 calls

sometimes even the fuckin' mole can be - unwittingly - usefool - check this out,courtesy of the mole:

http://flight93.org/newsweek-0922.html

it does contain interesting material:

1.why was oracle manager todd beamer- that is,alleged oracle manager todd beamer - allegedly sitting in the main cabin and not in biz class?

can software giant oracle not even afford biz class for its managers anymore?

2.concerning the 2nd of four alleged tom burnett calls to his alleged wife deena,the mole link says:

>>when tom calls back a few minutes later,deena has the fbi on the phone.she patches tom through so he can describe the men directly<<.

wow!!! another fbi monitored flight 93 call,just like todd beamer's...

so you would expect fbi director mr coverup mueller turd to have the tape of this call:

where is it? why hasn't it been subpoenaed yet by any fuckin' so called 911 inquiry that I'm aware of?

why hasn't it been made a major topic or item of govt hype - it would be their own smoking gun,if independently verified and made public,that 911 or at least flight 93 really happened the way the bushiite motherfuckers are saying.

yet no - no mention - nobody's even asking,no headlines by the massmedia whores,no airing og the tom burnett or todd beamer fbi tapes not even to the victims' relatives like they did for the muffled alleged black box...

just this little bit of evidence - the flight 93 calls fbi tapes - would be enough to destroy all 911 "conspiracy theories" at once - yet no...

we are left wondering if those tapes exist at all and if they don't why on earth weren't beamer's and burnett's call recorded ...

ANY REPLY,FUCKIN' TERRORIST TRAITOR FBI DIRECTOR MUELLER???????

ANY REPLY,FUCKIN' BASTARD MR BUSH???????????

Our Leader

http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kimilsun.htm

spam on mole - no use

bushiite assmole if you think yer spamming is any replacement for your lack of arguments we have to tell you- it only makes you look more like a fool.

Smoking gun?

Until the FBI announces that they have lost the
recordings, it would be prudent to assume that the
agency has the tapes (and all other evidence that you
question) in their possession.

No "smoking gun" is necessary. 9/11 is not a
controversial topic. The world knows what happened.
If you are able to back up a step and peer through
the fog of your delusion, you would notice that you
and a group of probably a few thousand Americans
are the only people not convinced of the truth. Unless
you also want to include the dozen or so people who
pretend they think otherwise so they can sell books
(and ads on their websites) to useless idiots like
yourself. To the 99.9% of Americans who don't suffer
from your delusions, we don't even know that people
like you exist (I stumbled upon this forum by accident
and hang out for my amusement, but I'm the exception).

If you took a poll and asked a random sample of
Americans:
"Are you aware that a group of people question the
9/11 hijackings and think that the mothers and wives
of the flight 93 passengers were part of a conspiracy
to make money for Bush's energy industry friends?"
The respondents would laugh. It is absolutely
preposterous.
Remember, the first stage to seeking treatment is to
admit you have a problem.

"No "smoking gun" is necessary. 9/11 is not a
controversial topic. The world knows what happened."

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What a crock of crap

Eddie, don't blow smoke up our ass.
-(I stumbled upon this forum by accident
and hang out for my amusement, but I'm the exception).-

-You're all over IMC with your spin control and your say you're here by accident. Maybe in your crowd of peers this would stand but here we
can see a public relations effort when it is so damn obvious.

Hey Sheepdog

Do you honestly believe that there is somebody among
us who is literally paid to post stuff on this site?

Why? Who would fund such a thing? If this site were
something more than just a voyeuristic look at the
paranoid fringe, and it was perceived as a threat to
whoever paranoid people think might fund your
alleged campaign, why wouldn't they just
save time and money and shut the site down? It
would probably take a government hacker a few
minutes to shut down the whole network...

"If this site were something more than just a voyeuristic look at the paranoid fringe,..."

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Jackass
jackass stuck in neutral
jackass going nowhere

I just love letting people know how much they get to me!

come on. Eddie

- Why? Who would fund such a thing?-
The purse is open for you guys. Where to begin?
I just don't like my tax money used.
Just how gullible do you believe me to be?
We can see your work here. You want to know why we don't except the enemies spin? We can look at various sources and smell which is
too ripe to be palatable by knowing such things as history. That's why we don't buy it.

Say it, Sheepdog

I want to see you say it. Tell me that you think that I
am being paid to write stuff here.

logical fallacy

>>No "smoking gun" is necessary. 9/11 is not a
controversial topic. The world knows what happened. >>:

unsubstantiated allegations.

try reading Logic for paid shills.

and fuck off asshole.

flight 93 mysteries

on and on with flight 93 inconsistencies and mysteries casting a dark veil of suspicion on the govt's 911 conspiracy theory.

jere longman's book unwittingly provides us with a wealth of materials to mine...funny for a mainstream asskisser like jere longman - the least dishonest of the lot of 911 spinners anyway.

among the heroes,p.37:

>>at eight twenty-five the boston air control tower alerted several air traffic centers that flight 11 had been hijacked>>:

repeat:at 8.25 boston air control spread the AA11 hijack bews.

again,mind you: 8.25.

was newark airport among the control towers alerted by boston,as is logical to assume?

now: flight 93 left from newark.

but:at 8.25 flight 93 was still stuck in a jam on the tarmac.

it would leave at 8.43 according to the most recent official 911 timeline from norad I have.

now for chrissake:

if at 8.25 boston had alerted everybody that AA11 had been hijacked:

WHY FOR FUCKING JESUSSAKE WAS UA 93 ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF 18 REPEAT 18 MINUTES LATER AT 8.43???????????????????

you would have expected all takeoffs to be put on hold immediately upon receiving news of the AA11 hijacking...

you would have expected the current 911 "inquiry" to have aggressively questioned the norad pigs who testified as to why norad didn't issue an immediate standdown order for all civilian aircraft takeoofs,especially in new england.

but no,the matter was not even raised by our asskissing congressmen:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/

and you would have expected all faa/air control records to be subpoenaed and all involved controllers to be interviewed by authorities and invited by all national talk shows:

none of it happened that I'm aware of.

guess why...

a few of the flight 93 relatives complaoned about the pilots not alerted for 20 minutes and let take off for the slughter.

and that was it.

no that's not it yet.

it never will be fucking bush thug.

impeachment and execution is what you deserve.

" Why? Who would fund such a thing?-
The purse is open for you guys. Where to begin?
I just don't like my tax money used.
Just how gullible do you believe me to be?
We can see your work here. You want to know why we don't except the enemies spin? We can look at various sources and smell which is
too ripe to be palatable by knowing such things as history. That's why we don't buy it."

Actually you all don't buy it because you are all deluded trolls with absolutely no critacal thinking skills. You all have mastered copy and pasting and thats the exact sum total of your intellect.
Scary and pathetic.
Stupid little puppets.
So smile and embrace it and make the rest of us laugh.

fresca paid shill

save the planet bushboy:
kill youself.

can one or can't one

call from a gte airfone without first swiping one's credit card thru?

concerning the famous alleged barabara olson call from AA77,this is what joe viall had to say:

>>>>It gets worse. On American Airlines there is a telephone "setup" charge of US$2.50 which can only be paid by credit card, then a US$2.50 (sometimes US$5.00) charge per minute of speech thereafter. The setup charge is the crucial element. Without paying it in advance by swiping your credit card you cannot access the external telephone network. Under these circumstances the passengers’ seat phone on a Boeing 757 is a much use as a plastic toy.>>>.

but one mole above said you actually can talk to an operator by pressing zero as todd beamer is alleged to have done (didn't he have his credit card with him?):
are united airfones any different than AA's?

more by joe vialls

>>>Even without this hard proof, the chances of meaningfully using a seat-telephone on Flight 77 were nil. We know from the intermittent glimpses of the aircraft the air traffic controllers had on the radar scopes, that Flight 77 was travelling at extreme speed at very low level, pulling high “G’ turns in the process.
Under these circumstances it would be difficult even reaching a phone, much less using it. Finally, the phones on the Boeing 757 rely on either ground cell phone towers or satellite bounce in order to maintain a stable connection. At very low altitude and extreme speed, the violent changes in aircraft attitude would render the normal telephone links completely unusable.
Exactly the same applies with United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed before reaching any targets. The aircraft was all over the place at extreme speed on radar, but as with Flight 77 we are asked to believe that the “hijackers” allowed a passenger called Todd Beamer to place a thirteen minute telephone call. <<<

Research

Why don't you expand your "research" beyond the conspiracy sites and go to the Airfone site itself. It's all there. Or if you believe the phone company is part of the conspiracy (as you must, since they must have fabricated the phone records), then use an Airfone next time you fly and check it out for yourself .

why don't you give me the link

link me to the gte website - and possibly more exactly to the part where it says you can reach the external line/operator by pressing zero without first having to swipe your credit card thru- and I'll be glad to ascertain this point and credit you with being right about it.

as for flying and trying,I surely will.

but for the time being,why would joe vialls make up that,at least as far as AA is concerned,you can't connect without a setup charge to be payed by credit card swipe?

I'm just asking cause I'm ignorant about this,I'm not trying to allege anything.

joe viall's link

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/lies911/lies.htm

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Well using the full img line seemed to not work out so well, but stripping out '050' gets the job done. So if you want to use the script above replace the crap in the little text box with the numbers 050 and click the button.

I'll take the credit, thanks.

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"why would joe vialls make up that"

You're kidding, right? They present lies and half-truths
in order to present a story, then a video, then a book.
(they want to make money from people like you)

Example, from the link provided above:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/lies911/lies.htm

"Without the “eminent” Barbara Olson and her alleged
emotional telephone calls, there would never be any
proof that humans played a role in the hijack and
destruction of the four aircraft that day. Lookalike claims surfaced several days later on September 16 about passenger Todd Beamer and others, but it is critically important to remember here that the Barbara Olson story was the only one on September 11 and. 12. It was beyond question the artificial “seed” that started the media snowball rolling down the hill."

September 16, huh? A simple search on the NY Times site provides
a story published September 13:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40914FA3B5C0C708DDDA00894D9404482

National Desk | September 13, 2001, Thursday
AFTER THE ATTACKS: UNITED FLIGHT 93; On Doomed Flight, Passengers Vowed To Perish Fighting

By JODI WILGOREN and EDWARD WONG (NYT) 1442 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 1 , Column 1
ABSTRACT - Two passengers aboard United Airlines Boeing 767, which crashed near Pittsburgh after hijacking by terrorists, learned about horror of World Trade Center in cellular telephone calls from wives and reportedly vowed to try to fight hijackers; Jeremy Glick reportedly told wife three Arab-looking men carrying knives took control of plane; passenger Thomas E Burnett Jr reportedly told wife one passenger was stabbed to death and that group of other passengers was getting ready to take action; partial list of passenger and crew; map; photo (M) They told the people they loved that they would die fighting.

In a series of cellular telephone calls to their wives, two passengers aboard the plane that crashed into a Pennsylvania field instead of possibly toppling a national landmark learned about the horror of the World Trade Center. From 35,000 feet, they relayed harrowing details about the hijacking in progress to the police. And they vowed to try to thwart the enemy, to prevent others from dying even if they could not save themselves.

Eyewitness Accounts

Below is a long list of eyewitnesses (or conspirators,
to you conspiracy folks). This doesn't count the hundreds
of DoD witnesses from that day or the firefighters and
civilian cleanup personnel.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

Eyewitness Accounts

Flight 77 Crash at the Pentagon, Sept. 11, 2001

"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland
looked out the window to see a jet heading down
toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said.
Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge
mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001

"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001

"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not
quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports
about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a
jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a
couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed
overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road
ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist
for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he
suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop
Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of
speed, but not at a steep angle—almost like a heat-
seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying
dead on course.'"
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001

"'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went
right there and slammed into the Pentagon,'
eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said."
- "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001

"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon
was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was
driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today
near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150
feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly,
without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is
a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then
strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I
turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did
you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into
the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio
reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing
black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass
on the other side of the road when the plane flew over
his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an
American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the
Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in
different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power
on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the
aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall
plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on
fire, and an announcement came over the radio that
the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001

"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as
the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street
bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t
know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to
nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001

"Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside
service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of
Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position
to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the
Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows
closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane
was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side
closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of
a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver,
whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw
it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and
sort of straight. That was my impression,' he
said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I
felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion
of fire billowing through those two windows.'"
- "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001

"'I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building,' said Carla Thompson, who
works in an Arlington, Va., office building about 1,000
yards from the crash. 'I saw an indentation in the
building and then it was just blown-up up—red,
everything red,' she said. 'Everybody was just starting
to go crazy. I was petrified.'"
- "Terrorists Attack New York, Pentagon." Los Angeles Times, 12 Sep 2001

"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11.
From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY
building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington
Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport
and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the
second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building,
which, being so close to the airport is very common.
But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a
plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I
was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my
eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched
in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked
slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and
slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding
into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then
white smoke."
- Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian
Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving
to church that Tuesday morning when American
Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and
struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002

"Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of
the commuters who witnessed the attack on the
Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd.,
listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw
a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an
American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer
Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in
over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight
across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them
saying on the radio that National Airport was closing,
and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National
Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of
orange flame that shot out that I could see through the
highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black,
thick smoke.'"
- "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001

actually...

...on the airfone site I found this:

>>Are "800" series numbers toll free?
In flight, all toll free numbers are charged at the same rate as regular calls. >>

anyway even assuming that todd beamer could in theory dial zero and talk 15 minutes for free,this is not the point:

the point being as shown above in this thread that there is no evidence whatsoever for todd's call except for lisa jefferson's word.

and the same goes for all alleged 911 plane calls.

eyewitness bullcrap

>>"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland
looked out the window to see a jet heading down
toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said.
Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge
mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001 >>:

1.only blind moles would blindly trust this alleged "allen cleveland"

2.that the alleged allen cleveland saw a jet is a figment of the reporter's fancy because the alleged allen cleveland does non repeat not say what he saw in the quoted bit.

so much for this "eyewitness"...if this is all the govt has to offer in the way of evidence for its 911 conspiracy theory...

OK, then

OK, now that you have so convincingly discredited that one eyewitness, what about the other 18?

And don't forget about the civilian crew that cleaned up the Pentagon mess -- picking up pieces of the airliner for months.

eyewitness bullcrap/2

>>>"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001 <<<:

this quote goes even further than the first one down the slope of self-discrediting:

1.the alleged witness is unnamed - unverifiable

2.the alleged anonymous unverifiable woitness does not say he saw AA77 or even that he or she recognized the plane as AA or as a commercial airliner at least.

3.as usual,only our blind mole true believer would unquestioningly swalow such drivel

4.gerard holmgren wrote a complete refutation of all AA77 socalled witnesses except I don't have the link but interested readers may find it on google or by indy search - it's a july 2002 post if I remember right

5.so I apologize if I may repeat holmgren material but anyway repetita iuvant and I might add stuff of my own along the way cause I don't have time to review and compare holmgren's essay .

Oh, OK

And is OJ still looking for the real killers?

irreality check

got counterarguments moley,or just pathetic pseudosarcasm?

I'll let the eyewitnesses speak for themselves

The eyewitnesses speak for themselves. I present them to you. It's not ethical for me to speak for them. If you have any questions, give them a call and ask them.

eyewitness bullcrap/3

>>>"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not
quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports
about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a
jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a
couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed
overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road
ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001 >>>:

1.unfortunately,another anonymous,unverifiable alleged eyewitness - pity we can't call him to check...or maybe ya got the number moley?

2.as usual,only true believers or paid shills would believe blindly in such unverifiable drivel

3.this alleged anonymous seems to be the first in the series of plants to identify the flying thing as a jetliner-but not as AA11 or even AA

4.as for the gaping hole,Thierry Meyysan has aptly shown that the damage done by the alleged jetliner is way too small,and the hole itself is too small,not to mention the intact windows on both sides of the impact point...

5.how could this alleged anonymous possibly have seen the gaping hole in the huge cloud of smoke and flames he mentions?

6.human events? who owns it?

is this all you have to offer in the way of pentagon eyewitnesses?

got at lest the original precise sourcing+ link?

try a little harder,moley - after all,you're gettin' paid...

LMAO

I love to watch these conspiracy fruitcakes fall apart. The more agitated they become the crazier their delusions.

Such fine entertainment. And Free!

frescassmole

only pathetic pseudosarcasm from fresca the shill.

as usual.

what a bloody tool.

excuse me?

Where do you detect any sarcasm?

AA77 witness bullcrap/4

>>"Frank Probst, an information management specialist
for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he
suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop
Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002 >>:

it only gets more ludicrous:

1.notice how the source is not precisely referenced or linked and therefore is hardly verifiable at all

2.noticed how the source is a pentagon source ,therefore prone to bias-disinformation-lies

3.notice how this alleged frank probst is not quoted directly but reported

4.notice how the alleged fact that probst saw a commercial airliner or even AA77 is a figment of the reporter's fancy,not a quote

5.notice how this is from jan 202 allegedly,ie 5 months after the fact...

need I continue?....

Give it up, eyewitness denier

Give it up, eyewitness denier.

If what you were saying was just plain stupid, it might be funny. But it's also boring. So give it up. We got your point. You don't believe the eyewitness testimony. Got it.

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