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Topanga Benefit Concert and Forum – Ron Kovic

by builder123 Monday, Jun. 02, 2003 at 6:49 PM

Dateline May 31st. Topanga California Today’s event organized by The Topanga Peace Alliance had several fine speakers including Tom Hayden, Ron Kovic and Blase Bonpane. The intimate canyon setting provided the backdrop for a message of peace and justice.

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Ron Kovic

Vietnam Vet, Peace Activist and Author, Ron Kovic enters the Theatricum Botanicum with a fellow Veteran.

Ron spoke of the devastating injuries he received while in service to his country and questioned the morality of a chicken hawk administration determined to wage war.

Ron Kovic - event audio
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Ron Points To Where The 2250 Feet Per Second Projectile Entered His Chest

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Ron’s body moved suddenly causing the bullet fired at his head to collapse a lung instead.
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Vietnam Vet, Peace Activist and Author, Ron Kovic

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Ron Kovic

by Al Beay Monday, Jun. 09, 2003 at 10:17 AM

Ron Kovic should shut his mouth and except the fate that happened to him. If he wouldn’t have been wounded in Vietnam no one would have ever heard of him. He has nothing better to do than knock this country. Get a real job and get on with your life. Ya your in a wheelchair so everyone should feel sorry for you and listen to your bullshit. Look around you, the people that are listening to you are nothing but a bunch of losers like yourself. I’m in a wheelchair also but I got a job where I’m contributing to society and supporting my family. Ron Kovic, grow up and shut up, people are tired of listening to you. I love this country and the President made the right call in the war on Iraq. You want every one to lay down and do nothing when America gets attacked. If they did that in World War II we would all be speaking Japanese now.

I’m a real American


I hope that Ron Kovic gets to see this.
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Who's Out of Touch?

by MARK SCULLY Tuesday, Jun. 10, 2003 at 10:08 AM

As a Viet Nam combat veteran, like Ron Kovic, II must disagree with both of you. Most combat vets are against war. Most combat vets don't want anyone else to have to experience what we did. Most combat vets think Bush a rich man's son who used his privledge to avoid real war.
Most combat vets realize we have been lied to all our lives by those who run things, For example, Nixon's secret war in Cambodia, KISSINGER's extending the war in Viet Nam for 4 extra years for his own grandizement.
If you want truth, start with the book, ADDICTED TO WAR, WHY the US CAN'T KICK MILITARISM by Joel Andreas
I am sorry for your wheel chair disability. I hope someday you can follow Ron's example and project sincere spirituality and a love for all mankind. Sincerely, Mark Scully
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A Special Appearance

by builder123 Tuesday, Jun. 10, 2003 at 6:38 PM

I’ve had the opportunity to photograph Ron many times and have always been impressed; his speech of May 31 was a stand out . IMC should be getting audio soon.
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Ron Kovic is a Hero

by Derek Friday, Nov. 21, 2003 at 7:55 PM
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ARE u a vietnam veteran!??? Ron Kovic is a vietnam veteran HE SERVED HIS COUNTRY!

He has the right to voice his opinion, and HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT CAUSE HE WAS THERE! were U???

Most likely if your a vietnam veteran who isnt against war then u most like didnt see REAL combat anyways. Because u know what war IS ALL ABOUT, and u don't want more of it. Vietnam WAS FOUGHT OVER NOTHING!! EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. WE ARE IN IRAQ WHY???



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Clearly Out of Touch With What?

by Anon Sunday, Mar. 07, 2004 at 8:45 AM

To "out of touch"...
You seem to me to embody all the characteristics of the definitive recreant. Your cowardice is only exceeded by your impertinence.
By your logic someone like Benedict Arnold should be a hero, he embodies everything you are looking for in a patriot. After all he was merely supporting the established administrative form, the monarchy of George The Third, simply trying to throw down terrorists, traitors, insurgents and unmistakable revolutionaries.
Think about this:
What are you gonna do when you're an old man clinging to your walker,our wife just got a hip replacement that cost thousands and did no good, your ticker has just about had it, you may even be a veteran trying to make it on social security pittance you paid into for most of a life time, lousy VA benefits and some pissant pension from a crummy job worked at for nearly fifty years and one black day a gaurdsman or police officer barges into your living room, killing all your adult children who have come to your defense, raping your grandchildren,poking you in the butt with his rifle, ousting you, sending your wife to an internment camp and you to a work camp just for your having been a Morman or a Methodist or for that matter an Atheist, or any other equally inane reason for which he's been ordered to do his duty? What then? Huh?
Don't think it couldn't happen. It already has in our lifetimes and continues to.
Your fate could be that of the Native American. You ever heard of a reservation? Maybe you want to see all African Americans or Catholics or Jews on one of those things, but not me, not on my watch.
It's ethics like yours that make the inhumanities of modern psychology, legalized abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia and biological experimentation/dissection on human beings ungodly realities in the United States of America today. To say nothing of the nightmares created in "third world" and other wise foreign countries by our politicians and big money, and right here at home the tragedy of illegal drug trafficking and the horrible fraud, exploitation and all around nightmare treatment foisted upon our elderly and children. We should all hang our heads in shame. We Americans have all the wit of mindless cattle and half the charm!
You're probably also one who has forgotten there is anything like a parochial school or private school and that generations of Americans have exercised their right to take advantage of that alternative schooling their children in the home disregarding the crummy standars/ethics/purposes determined and employed by the State for and in education and raising brighter, and more importantly, more conscientious Americans in the process.
I don't agree with letting people who've never served in combat define what patriotism is. You?
Real men question there government and watch its moves like a hawk. Policing it if you will. Remember the Rebel? Remember the Frontiersman?? Where were you when your History class discussed the Revolution? Shooting spitwads? Writing love notes to Mary Jane Rottencrotch? Your ego's writing checks your body can't cash son! What was the American Revolution all about ignoramus?
Civil authority exists to serve the populace not the other way around.
Stand up and say what you want to say. Argue for your rights and don't lay down and take __it.
Men like Mr. Kovic have more courage in their little finger than you or I have in our whole bodies. Thank God for men like him. He is a genuine hero. He laid his life on the line so you can talk that talk and he continues to do so. He is a Veteran and represents you and I, protects us, is defending you and yours as surely as any active duty serviceman, cop or fire fighter. Shame on you for speaking out of turn about the man. You and I should be so lucky to have half the fortitude courage and dignty he has!
In fact one could talk of authentic honor and an aspect of solemnity when describing this man. A person could apply any number of the sundry virtues wh's actual meanings have been twisted or completely lost and forgotten in our day and age to men like Ron. Pick up your Nicomachean Ethics now and again.
Another thing. Please accept my apologies for the following if you do happen to be impotent. You must have no children. For it is only when you have looked into the eyes of your first born and held their tiny, fragile body in your arms that you realize we all belong to God and not to Uncle Sam.
There is hope for you yet though. Find your courage. Again, stand up and win your rights and that of your children. The rights of all generations.

Sincerely, A Veteran and Patriot
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War Vets

by Adam Kington Tuesday, Oct. 26, 2004 at 11:15 AM
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After seeing "Born on the Fourth of July" as a teenager I was deeply moved by Rons' determination and bravery. His patriotism has rubbed off on me intensly. He left his friends,family, and the girl he left behind to fight for his country! And he had the bravery to tell what was going on over there and to protest the war no matter what happened to him! My admiration also goes for Sen. John Kerry who went to fight and won several medals and saved lives and also came home to protest the war. How come none of the swift boat ads say "Ron Kovick" brought down moral or got POWS tortured! Ha! Ha! John O'Neil is the biggest liar of them all! I did research on "Stolen Honor" and all the POWS in this film were pilots and had been shot down and taken prisoner very early on in the war so they have no idea what did or didn't happen! I just wish Kovick could have been Kerry's vp candidate although Edwards is pretty good as well. God Bless you Both!! Sincerely,
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ADA to be Tested by SCOTUS

by DAVID T KILLOUGH Thursday, Feb. 17, 2005 at 11:26 PM
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Disabled ACLU Members Ask Supreme Court, “Does ADA Apply to Foreign-flagged Ships?”

>PLEASE SHOW YOUR SUPPORT BY JOINING US NEAR THE SUPREME COURT BLDG 9AM MONDAY 28FEB2005<

Washington, DC, February 10, 2005. – Five disabled Texans seek a US Supreme Court ruling about the applicability of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) to foreign-flagged ships within territorial waters of the United States. Opposing oral arguments in the case, “Douglas Spector et al. v. Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd.” are scheduled for 9:00 a.m. Monday, February 28, 2005. Douglas Spector, Ana Spector, Julia Hollenbeck (ACLU-TN), David T. Killough (ACLU-TX), and Rodger Peters (deceased), all present or former Houston, Texas, residents, are Petitioners in the Proceedings. The Petitioners allege discrimination against persons with disabilities (PWD) by Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) in violation of Title III of the ADA. Counsel of Record is Thomas C. Goldstein, Goldstein & Howe, P. C., a Washington, DC, law firm. Petitioners are represented by the Houston law firm, Bruckner & Burch PLLC.

“This case concerns the application of Title III of the…ADA…42 U.S.C. 1281 et seq. to cruise lines operating within U.S. waters and in U.S. ports,” according to the Petitioners’ brief. The problem is that a previous ruling by the Fifth Circuit gives foreign-flagged cruise lines unrestricted ability to ignore ADA. On appeal, the court ruled that cruise ships are indeed “public accommodations” and means of “public transportation,” as defined by ADA. However, the law does not expressly state that it governs foreign-flagged vessels. Approximately 96.92% of the cruise industry’s operational vessels bear foreign flags, chiefly for convenience and to take advantage of the more liberal tariff terms offered by the country of registration.

American citizens with disabilities contend that Congress never intended that cruise lines should be able to discriminate against anyone in violation of ADA, especially within U. S. territorial waters, merely because their ships may fly a foreign flag of convenience. American citizens using tickets purchased with American dollars from a cruise line headquartered in this country and cruising between American ports cannot be disenfranchised from ADA’s protection by a foreign flag.

This case is just a beginning, because it raises numerous far-reaching and worrisome questions about international maritime law and diplomatic courtesy.

All Petitioners are members of Wheel Me On, Inc., a not-for-profit advocacy group that promotes awareness about the accessibility needs of persons with disabilities and ADA enforcement.-END-

SUBMITTED BY David Thomas Killough, 2300 WILCREST DR, 105 CREST APTS, HOUSTON, TX 77042 Tel: (713) 791-9995/Fax: (713) 791-9958/Cel: (713) 818-7088 email: kilodt@msn.com




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Supreme Court to hear Baytown natives case

By Ken Fountain
Baytown Sun
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Published February 15, 2005

A Baytown native will have his day in the U.S. Supreme Court Feb. 28, as the justices hear arguments on whether a U.S. law protecting the rights of the disabled applies to foreign-flagged ships operating in America.

David T. Killough is one of five named plaintiffs in a federal lawsuit against Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd. alleging that the company provided them unequal accommodations in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. One of the other plaintiffs, Rodger Peters, died last year, four years after the suit was originally filed in Houston federal court.

The case will decide whether Congress meant the 1990 law to apply to foreign-flagged vessels operating at U.S. ports. Although NCL is based in Miami and many of its ships are based in American ports, the ships are registered in the Bahamas.

Killough, a 1962 Lee High School graduate, lived in several places before returning to the Houston area about 10 years ago. He is the director of occupational, environmental, safety and health matters for AARC Environmental Inc., a consulting firm.

Killough has been partially disabled since 1998, when a surgery to remove a cancerous tumor from his left leg damaged some nerves, partially paralyzing the leg.

But Killoughs involvement in the suit stems from his capacity as an attendant to a woman, Julia Hollenbeck, who is paralyzed as a result of her development of post-polio syndrome, a condition which affects people who were exposed to the polio virus prior to the development of the vaccine in the 1950s.

In 1999, Hollenbeck booked an eight-day cruise to celebrate her birthday. The ship, Norwegian Sea, left the Barbours Cut terminal and called on the Mexican ports of Cancun and Cozumel, as well as Islas de la Bahia off the coast of Honduras.

I asked Julia to make sure she was going to be comfortable on the trip with her wheelchair, and that Norwegian could appropriately accommodate her. So she contacted the travel agent, and not being satisfied with what the travel agent said, she contacted Norwegians U.S. headquarters (in Miami), Killough said.

He said the company assured Hollenbeck that the ship, built in 1988, had appropriate accommodations for her and that she and Killough would be able to participate in the NCL-sponsored activities at the cruises three ports of call.

That wasnt the case. We were held onboard as a captured audience when the ship docked. They had even gone so far as to sell us tickets to the onshore activities, but on the day of the activities, when the ship pulled into port, they wouldnt let us debark.

Killough said that in Cancun, which is a shallow-water port, the ship isnt able to pull alongside a pier, so passengers are ferried ashore by Mexican tender vessels.

We found out later that Norwegian had had a terrible experience in the recent past. A person in a wheelchair had been dropped between the two vessels and crushed to death, Killough said.

For that reason, NCL officials wouldnt let Hollenbeck leave the ship. And because the companys rules required that disabled passengers could not be left unattended by their companies, Killough was not able to debark at Cancun either.

While the pair was able to go ashore at the other two ports, Killough said, they were not allowed to participate in the NCL-sponsored onshore activities for which they had already paid.

We had to hire at our own expense hire an off-duty NCL employee who was about the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was able to drive for us and physically carry Ms. Hollenbeck into places of interest, he said.

We felt left out. We were a captured audience, Killough says of their experience.

They later learned that another couple, David and Ana Spector, had a similar experience with the cruise line. Along with the late Rodger Peters, they filed the original lawsuit in 2000, hoping to be granted class-action status. The district judge did not grant that status, but allowed the suit to proceed.

In its response to the lawsuit, NCL primarily argues that when Congress enacted the ADA, it did not explicitly state that the law would apply to foreign vessels. Making it so would subject ships to all laws of any country they entered, rendering centuries of maritime law meaningless, the cruise line argues.

The district judge ruled that Title III of the ADA does apply to foreign-flagged vessels operating out of American ports, but denied the plaintiffs claims that NCL had violated the barrier-removal regulations of the law.

Both sides appealed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which held that Title III did not apply to foreign-flagged ships. But in a similar case out of Florida, the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals made an opposite ruling, creating a contradiction.

Elaine Roberts, one of the Houston attorneys representing the plaintiffs, said the split between the two appellate courts is probably one of the main reasons the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case.

Were not trying to talk about extraterritorial application, foreign cruise ships that operate in other countries. Clearly, when you have a Miami-based company like NCL, whose headquarters is in Miami, all their hiring, personnel, legal department is in Maimi, and they sail into American ports, we feel they should be held to compliance with the ADA, both in terms of their policies and their physical facilities, she said.

Roberts said that the plaintiffs and their lawyers feel they have strong arguments, as well as good company. Aside from leading disability-rights organizations, the U.S. Department of Justice and the attorneys general of Texas and several other states have weighed in on the plaintiffs side.

Its a shame that the cruise lines wouldnt look to the public passenger potential for this. Because, just as a public service matter, you would think that a cruise line would want to make sure that its accessible for all of its guests, regardless of whether the ADA was in effect or not, she said.

Apparently, NCL doesnt feel that way, and has actively fought it for five years now. Its a shame when individuals have to go to the courts and resort to five years of litigation in order to get something that you would think would automatically be guaranteed to everyone traveling on their cruises, she said.

In a written statement, the cruise line said that accessibility issues are very important to both cruise vacation providers and to the traveling public. The inconsistent court decisions around the country on this subject are confusing to both cruise lines and their guests.

The company said that it was grateful that the Supreme Court is reviewing the case to clear up the matter.

Norwegian Cruise Line is proud of its record in accommodating passengers with disabilities. Just as NCL prevailed in this case in the Court of Appeals, we are confident that the U.S. Supreme Court will affirm that NCL has acted properly in matters relating to disability access, the statement said.

The company also provided a fact sheet listing the ways it says it has acted to accommodate disabled passengers.

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Kovic Has Good Points

by Joe Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 4:52 AM
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Ron Kovic was a guy that suppoted this country, and would of died for this country. As a youngster, he opposed activism, but after serving 2 tours of duty in Vietnam, he eye witnessed situations an oridinary person wouldn't. Why did he change his stripes? Mainly because the Bronx and Queens VA hospitals treated him like dirt when he was a patient there. If you gave your life for this country and got treated poorly, wouldn't you be livid?

I think Kovic deserves a break. If I experienced the same thing he did, I would of probably done the same thing. Granted, he may be a little too far to the left,but I understand what he's doing, and I don't have a big problem with it.

If you don't know much about Kovic, I suggest seeing Born On The Fourth of July with Tom Cruise. It's a great movie, and may get you to change your opinion of Ron Kovic.
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A True Patriot

by Frank A. LoPresti Tuesday, Jan. 03, 2006 at 2:06 PM

Ron Kovic is a true American patriot ---that is, one who stands for the rights of the American PEOPLE, as opposed to the American GOVERNMENT. His disability resulting from the service of that government is (ironically enough) exactly what led him to protest the actions of the government--unjust and useless warfare, genocide abroad, cynicism/apathy/lack of funding at home. Ron was THERE, man!! Who among us is better qualified to speak out regarding these issues? I am now 55 years old (4 yrs. younger than Ron), and my heart still bleeds from Vietnam. Peace, Ron.
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by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 03, 2006 at 2:10 PM

I saw him speak in person at the big protest march in Hollywood in March of 2004. I don't know a whole lot about him. But I'm guessing he's not the kind of veteran who sits on a high horse and talks down on younger people telling them to "love it or leave it!" or "show some respect for a veteran!" I suppose we'll see him again this coming March.
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by El Chivo Tuesday, Jan. 03, 2006 at 2:33 PM

He was the author of Born of the 4th of July. and there is a movie too starring Tom Cruise. I have so much respect for him than any other vetern. He is a true patriot. http://myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=Kovic

Also, check out Smedley D. Butler, War Is a Racket.
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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by John Behan Sunday, Jan. 08, 2006 at 1:01 PM
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I haven't read much about Ron in quite some time he once gave me a copy of his book Born on the Fourth of July when he was in my home town of Montauk NY many years ago.I know he and I never agreed on much and still don't but I'm glad to see him looking good for a old guy and he is still very active.I Was born on Veterans day so maybe it's time for me to tell my side of the story.OOORAH
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Dana DeDycker

by Dana Dedycker Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009 at 9:34 AM
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Guadalupe Dedycker is a home wrecker, adultress from Mexico.
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