US plans death camp
May 26, 2003


THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber. Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians. The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.

The Mail on Sunday reported the move is seen as logical by the US, which has been attacked worldwide for breaching the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war since it established the camp at a naval base to
hold alleged terrorists from Afghanistan. But it has horrified human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees.

They see it as the clearest indication America has no intention of falling in line with internationally recognised justice. The US has already said detainees would be tried by tribunals, without juries or appeals to a higher court. Detainees will be allowed only US lawyers.

British activist Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, said: "The US is kicking and screaming against any pressure to conform with British or any other kind of international justice."

American law professor Jonathan Turley, who has led US civil rights group protests against the military tribunals planned to hear cases at Guantanamo Bay, said: "It is not surprising the authorities are building a death row because they have said they plan to try capital cases before these tribunals.

"This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists."

Britain admitted it had been kept in the dark about the plans. A Downing St spokesman said: "The US Government is well aware of the British Government's position on the death penalty."

That picture's old and tired and so is the accompanying bullshit conspiracy theory.
Go to Bed!

I don't know miss trick, the article is dated today. Why would anyone want to repeat the Holocaust? Denial does not make it go away. The Germans are still living with the guilt. It looks like so will "we".

...human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees."

Yeah! How DARE those people be held accountable for their actions! We, the human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees, demand all detainees be released IMMEDIATELY, be given Birkenstocks and book and movie deals, and receive an engraved apology from George W. Bush. Oh, and 40 acres and a mule. No, wait, that's the slave reparations...uh...how about a pony?

Wow davegirl
Ever hear of the Geneva convention?
Ever hear of Article 6 of the Constitution
that you think you are defending?
Didnt think so.
If american soldiers were being treated this way
I'm sure you'd feel quite differently.
===traitor to the constitution
if you dont support Article 6 (of the constitution).........
Remember the one you are supposedly
"defending"
hypocrite....

You call me traitor?

Ow.

You're laboring under the mistaken assumption that your opinion means anything to me.

This constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and ALL TREATIES MADE, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Gee idiot
What do ya think that means?

and the liar w/o honor could only start the 'enemy combatant' parroting of its script director.

Just read the GC (again)...specifically, the definition of "prisoners of war".

Gee...the captured Al Qaeda don't fit the description.

So, guess what...the GC's mandated treatment of POWs does not apply. That being said, I feel the detainees are being treated fairly and humanely.

What about their treatment has got your panties in a bunch, sissie?

You dont know shit about the Constitution......
and your sworn to protect and defend it
against traitors foriegn and DOMESTIC.

Hmmm.....
You dont like the UN?
Then why would we care if a country like Iraq violated its
sanctions?
Iraq never attacked the US
So why are we at war with them?

our military has lost its humanity. The fabled citizen
solder has been replaced by the video game killer almost
bred for violent over-response.
This links to the Afghanistan Massacre and the callus assumption (nationalistic/racist) of the worthlessness
of other people and cultures. Created by propaganda & lies.
This brutal insanity will come back and crush ourselves if
we as a people accept even a fraction of it towards others.
Our children don't deserve it.
Any justification of cruelty is sick. Your words ro attempt to do so, is evil.

yes, I'm talking major war crimes.
prisoners sealed into metal containers to
die. Sickening. Now the world knows about it.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/59663.php
part 2 played today, coming on again at 9:00 A-
check out the audio about half way through democracy now.
This is where the bastards who arranged 9-11 have taken us.

How do you "over-respond" to something like 9-11? I mean really? Go back and watch that footage of those planes crashing into those towers and then tell us again about how we Americans are all just "over-reacting". Such a comment is very out of touch with Americanism.

Besides. We're a people notorious for over responding. That's what we're good at. It's what we do.

Remember the Alamo?

sissiefailure: So I "dont know shit about the Constitution...... ", huh? You don't know squat about the GC, obviously. Read it, then tell me how the Al Qaeda buttheads fall under POW status. Oh, by the way...in what way have YOU served your country? Here's a hint: posting nonsense on the Internet doesn't count. If you have legitimately served this country, then your cries of "Traitor!" may have a miniscule amount of weight. If you haven't, then your opinion is entirely meaningless.

BA: Yeah, if AI or the UN have a say in it, those guys will walk...and then they'll look all shocked and surprised when the scum kill mpore innocent people. Then again, maybe they'll do all of us a favor, and drive an empty-of-passengers jet into the UN.

Sheepdip: "our military has lost its humanity. The fabled citizen
solder has been replaced by the video game killer almost
bred for violent over-response."

There's a couple things wrong with this statement. First, to what century are you referring? "Citizen soldier"? I think you have the military confused with the Boy Scouts. The military's job has always been, bluntly, killing people. You know, bullets, bombs? Ring a bell? "...[V]ideo game killer almost
bred for violent over-response." Uh, it's hard to breed soldiers when you have an all-volunteer force, isn't it? Unless the Global Right-Wing Conspiracy (tm) breeds for killing AND volunteering. Yeah, that's gotta be it...has to be. It's unprovable, therefore it's the Truth.

So, we're all a bunch of maniac killers...interesting spin. What was the civilian body count in Vietnam? What was the tonnage of armaments expended? Now, contrast that with the civilian body count and tonnage in Iraq. I think you'll then agree that we've learned to wage a "kinder, gentler" war...no matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.

Eric: Over response? Damn skippy, and thank God for it. Had we wimped out like the UN and the Left wanted us to do, no telling how many more deaths would have occurred on US soil from terrorist attacks. You can't negotiate with militant extremists. You can't talk with someone who wants to kill you, and thinks he will be rewarded if his death causes yours. You can't cut a deal. All you can do is kill them.

I think that you should be my successor. I'm dizzy from your spin!

All you can do is kill them.


That's the kind of talk that reserves a place just for you.
see you.

"That's the kind of talk that reserves a place just for you."

A place where? The Hall of People Who Know the Truth and Aren't Afraid to Speak It?

Tell me how I'm wrong. Tell me how to deal with people who hate you so deeply and believe if they kill you along with themselves, they're reserved a place in Paradise.

The world awaits your wisdom.

Still waiting for the description of your service to the country.

And also for your unique perspective on how the GC applies to the Gitmo detainees.

Any day now, sissie.

Small and foolish monkey, I will not offer wisdom to give you.
You have made your path. You are too far down it to matter anymore.
Enjoy your brief time and comfort yourself that you will not be alone at your final destination.

It is possible to crush terrorism right now.
If we were willing to TOTALLY subvert the human rights of terrorists and anyone near them we could stop it.

If the Israelis were ACTUALLY willing to act like the NAZI (or maybe worse) then terrorism would very swiftly be eliminated from Israel just like if we were willing to act that way it would become impossible for terrorists (as such) to act within the US.

We choose a balance between the undesirability of the Facist state that could crush terrorism with ease and the liberal state which encourages terrorism with its inaction and constant compromises until it colapses under its own failure.

In practice the terrorists are on a "hiding to nowhere" since the more they hurt us the further right on this spectrum we will move.

Geez...get over yourself.

You're just like everyone else around here: "This situation sucks, but I won't offer any reasonable, workable solutions...because I can't. So I'll just complain."

Your post is deep words from a shallow mind. I'm not impressed.

Just so you know, you sound like a refugee from a swords-and-sorcery role playing game.

I thought we already had this conversation...
oh ya, it was with "Simple Simon", before i caught his ass lying about being "SpecOps".
Ha HA ha (what a lying bitch he turned out to be)
I was a infantryman and I recieved the C.I.B. twice in service to my country....
You do know what that is dont you?
Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, etc, etc.
5th Infantry Division --Panama 1989
2nd Armored Cavalry--Gulf War 1 1990-91
(and some other "conflicts" that your pogue ass will never hear of..........)
Ya see davegirl,
Your views are so typical from an wannabe soldier that only sits behind a computer and pretends that he's a bad-ass soldier.
But your not.
I served my country.
I killed for my country.
Proud?.....NO!

I have received numerous awards and citations
for my combat duty.
I have seen the ugliness of war
and I didnt like it.
But I did the job to the best of my ability.
That is why I fight to show the people who dont know
what they are talking about..the reality of war.
Run now and do an internet search on my units
and you will see the truth.
ps
i know you will say i am lying or some other BS
see...
But i dont really care if you believe me or not.
OH
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and your G.C. bullshit about "enemy combatants"
is just that --bullshit.
See once again, you have never been in combat or you would understand.
All persons who engage in combat against the US are subject to the Geneva Convention once captured.
The Geneva Conventions were developed by military experts not to outlaw war but to minimize gross cruelty and unnecessary suffering during armed conflict.

SHould they be covered? Of course.
It is about being human(e) to your fellow human.
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I thought we already had this conversation...
oh ya, it was with "Simple Simon", before i caught his ass lying about being "SpecOps".
Ha HA ha (what a lying bitch he turned out to be)
I was a infantryman and I recieved the C.I.B. twice in service to my country....
You do know what that is dont you?
Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, etc, etc.
5th Infantry Division --Panama 1989
2nd Armored Cavalry--Gulf War 1 1990-91
(and some other "conflicts" that your pogue ass will never hear of..........)
Ya see davegirl,
Your views are so typical from an wannabe soldier that only sits behind a computer and pretends that he's a bad-ass soldier.
But your not.
I served my country.
I killed for my country.
Proud?.....NO!

I have received numerous awards and citations
for my combat duty.
I have seen the ugliness of war
and I didnt like it.
But I did the job to the best of my ability.
That is why I fight to show the people who dont know
what they are talking about..the reality of war.
Run now and do an internet search on my units
and you will see the truth.
ps
i know you will say i am lying or some other BS
see...
But i dont really care if you believe me or not.
OH
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
and your G.C. bullshit about "enemy combatants"
is just that --bullshit.
See once again, you have never been in combat or you would understand.
All persons who engage in combat against the US are subject to the Geneva Convention once captured.
The Geneva Conventions were developed by military experts not to outlaw war but to minimize gross cruelty and unnecessary suffering during armed conflict.

SHould they be covered? Of course.
It is about being human(e) to your fellow human.
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I salute you for your service.

But that's the only reason you'll get any respect from me.

Now: Look at the GC again, and show me where the Gitmo detainees fall under POW status.

These laws "conventions" were designed to help all soldiers that were captured by enemy counterparts.
Quibbling over what designates "enemy combatants"
is really not the issue.
IF iraq had captured US terrorists or soldiers or CIA spies or whatever
What about the Rangers in Somalia?
Werent they subject to GC?
No they werent and look what happened to the soldiers who were captured by a barbaric country with no morality of humanity.
It was fucking WRONG!
We would expect them to be treated in a humane fashion.
As the US- a beacon of freedom and democracy we should lead the world by example.

I just don't see it. I believe we all were treated more harshly in boot camp than these guys were treated in gitmo...

everyone knows you write under the name "eric" also
just like I wrote under the name "TFBayonet"
or
Task Force Bayonet.....Panama 1989.

I'm Eric and daveman is daveman. I was never in the airforce.

I was Navy. For 11 years. A SEAL. And I hate to break it to you there, ground-pounder, but WE are always there first. I've take more shits in the thick of than you collected paychecks from the government.

your so full of shit your eyes are brown.

what unit we you with.....
we might know the same people......
didnt think so.....
pogue.

You asked the exact same question. Long term memory shot or what?

You're obviously too stupid to have been anything OTHER than an infantryman.

Go hump a rook.

the last time you were posing as SPECOPS you fucking loser.
remember now?
Remember when you said you were never in combat?
Now your a SEAL?
strange...........

Too much ganja in the jungle I suppose.

I was stationed at the Naval Special Warfare Command in San Diego however. I think I told you that. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeee.....
and your down with killing?
hmmmm.....
ya know what a head shrinker might call that?
too bad you are too stupid to see the light.
americas best brainwashed serial killers
the wannabe SEALS
eat shit squid
and go watch discovery channel
ps
fucknut
yougot my email
use it............

Pretty brave of you to post it too I might add.

But I'll send you a little love letter if you like.

If it'll make you feel better.

I look at the pale and inhuman excuses offered by the apologists for evil and I wonder how many times those same excuses were offered in Hitler's Germany.

Wearing a Uniform does not impart any particular virtue. It is only the reason you chose to don it.

A Patriot does it to serve, defend, and protect.

Not to excercise inhuman authority over others or to kill wantonly.

When we cross the line and begin Kangaroo Courts and consequent executions we have left the moral high ground and present our nation as no better than Hitlers "Thousand Year Reich". And it will be no more enduring.

Our Nation was founded with a set of moral and ethical principles which transcend the written Constitution. When we abandon the goal of living to the highest standard of decency and right conduct we abandon all that has been best about this country.

Jingoism, self congratualatory back slapping, and abandonment of Principle will destroy the very thing which the Jingoists claim they are defending.

They are not Patriots; they are Quislings.

SF, so you were in the Army. You killed the bad guys. You followed orders. And all that somehow gives you the wisdom to judge whether or not other people are traitors. I don't think so.
"Quibbling over what designates "enemy combatants"
is really not the issue."
Yes, it is. Would you afford POW status to a common thief? No. Neither should it be afforded to terrorists, psuedo-soldiers wearing no uniforms, serving an organization, not a government. And please tell me why the Rangers in Somalia weren't subject to the GC (unless Somalia isn't a signatory...I don't have time to look it up right now).

"...americas best brainwashed serial killers..." Answer me this, sissie...would you want to go into combat with someone NOT properly trained? I didn't think so. So what makes these highly-trained warriors "serial killers"? Uh, nothing...unless you just want to use self-serving inflammatory language. And you do.

No, I have never been in combat. Generator mechanics rarely are called upon to fight in the front lines, dum-dum. Yet, if necessary, I would do what I had to do. If I couldn't shoot the guy shooting at me, I'd at least make him keep his head down. Shouldn't be a problem, though; I've shot expert 4 times with M-16 and the only time I fired the M-9. And once again, spare me your contempt. Yer wastin' it on me.

Eric, my father was UDT in WWII in the Pacific, Teams 5 and 25. He opened up the reefs for the landing craft at Saipan and Tinian. When I served in Korea, Team 5 agressed against the base during our Operational Readiness Exercise. They tried to get into the Civil Engineer compound, but we kept 'em out. Air Power!

Dio: "Wearing a Uniform does not impart any particular virtue." Unless you're a veteran who's against the war; then the Left will parade you arouind like you have the last word on the subject.
Dio, the Hitler comparisons are gettin' pretty stale. You got anything else, or is your Moral Equivalency Barrel empty?

...of being a detainee at Gitmo.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/28/1053801444528.html

--"Every day we make fresh baguettes and bagels. The detainees get hash browns, fruit, hot tea, and eggs. For dinner it is fish, chicken or beef, with beans and chickpeas. On Fridays there is extra honey, dates and cakes.

"Now, I don't think anybody could look at our menu and say we are doing the wrong thing by the detainees. In fact, the medical personnel have told me that all of them have put on weight, an average of 13 pounds."--

Yeah, life's tough at CAmp Delta:

--Conditions have improved - the detainees no longer wear hoods and shackles, and each gets a copy of the Koran, plus a bed with an arrow, pointing the way to Mecca...--

But the little rascals still manage to raise a ruckus:

--Young soldiers who guard the detainees are also available to the media, including Sergeant Lisa Wells, 21, who said she was harassed "every day. They throw water, urine, semen, toothpaste, whatever they can. They don't like women, is my impression. When I give an order, one of them will say: 'Why would anybody listen to you? Why aren't you home making a baby?"' --

Yeah, life at Camp Delta certainly sucks for these poor misunderstood freedom fighters...but it beats execution as soon as they were captured, as allowed for int he GC due to their status as illegal combatants.

I'd rather have those terrorists at the University of Michigan than damn niggers!

You're an imbecile.

Look out! The "fake guy" is outside your window!!! You're nuttier than a Planter's factory. Get back into your straightjacket before you hurt somebody, you psycho.

As always, you're an imbecile.

Cant any of you see what is happening? You keep using 9-11 as an excuse. The system was working fine the way it was. Our country was so peaceful and so great for so long because of our rights and because of our freedoms and because we treated other countries with respect and dignity. Now your trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Now you want to take away our rights and freedoms and liberties and say its for security. Well I dont need that kind of security. If i want that kind of security Ill go live in a third world country like Iraq or Iran. Im really appaled that we would lock people up without a trial and torture and execute them in secret. It sounds like somthing Hitler would do. How can anyone in his right mind support this? Where is your concience? Is 9-11 an excuse for us to commit even more worse attrocioties? You cant always be safe thats life isolated terrorist attacks happen even to us. We are not imune. It doesnt mean that we have to destroy what our country and our great insitutions stand for. When are you going to wake up? How much longer can we believe in an administration that can't find Osama, cant find Sadam, and uses false pretenses to start illegal imoral wars in third world countries to boost his polls at home.
Jamie

It's that kind of attitude that allowed Hitler to flourish. You can't just ignore terrorists and they'll go away.

"You cant always be safe thats life isolated terrorist attacks happen even to us."

You seem to think there's an acceptable number of American deaths due to terrorism. How many have to die before you get angry about it? Apparently, more than 3,000. To me, even one American death from terrorism is too many.

Understand this: there are groups who want you dead because you are an American. That's the only reason. Worse yet, there are groups that want you dead because you don't adhere to their narrow, backward, barbaric little brand of religion.

Now, that may not upset you. But knowing there are people who want to kill my wife, my children, and me for no good reason really pisses me off, and I won't tolerate it.

Thank God most of America won't, either. So you can keep you appeasing attitude. And I suggest you do go spend a little time in a third-world country. Mexico's handy; go spend a month down there, living amongst the locals. Then you'll see some real oppression, and realize the Left's exagerrations of the American police state are ludicrous.

Ahhh davegirl,
the old "Hitler" argument comes to light once again.
I'm gonna play a little game here and transcribe your argument over if you were a arab/ palestinian....

You seem to think there's an acceptable number of Palestinian deaths due to terrorism. How many have to die before you get angry about Israel being supported by the USA? Apparently, more than 30,000. To me, even one Palestinian death from Israeli terrorism is too many.

Understand this: there are groups who want you dead because you are an Arab or Palestinian. That's the only reason. Worse yet, there are groups that want you dead because you don't adhere to their narrow, backward, barbaric little brand of religion.

Now, that may not upset you. But knowing there are people who want to kill my wife, my children, and me for no good reason really pisses me off, and I won't tolerate it.

Ya see, if you put yourself in the other persons shoes
maybe you will see a different point.

ps
thanks davegirl for supporting an anarchistic point of view by focusing on the political repression of third world peoples at the hands of out of control governments.

that most Palestinians killed by the Israelis are involved in Hizbollah or Hamas. Unlike Al-Qaeda who just kill any old westerner.

"Thank God most of America won't, either."

In addition to God, what other fairy tales do you believe in? The tooth fairy? The Easter bunny? Santy Clause? You are BEYOND moronic.

If you're anti-moron, yet you're a moron, what keeps you from spontaneously combusting?

Sissie: What has led you to believe I support Israeli terrorism? I do not. I said it before, and I'll say it again: I do not support terrorism for any reason, from any source.

There have been excesses on both sides of the Middle East equation, but I think a reasonable person would see that blowing up busloads of children is not a viable military option. And don't give me all that "they're too poor to buy anything but dynamite" routine, either. Arafat is a freakin' billionaire; he could afford to get some anti-tank weapons on sale...to be used ONLY on tanks.

The point is, Hamas et. al. want to kill Jews. Israel responds by killing terrorists and their supporters. Can't you see the difference? One side kills combatants...the other kills non-combatants.

BTW, you never did tell me how the Gitmo detainees fall under POW status as outlined in the GC.

Here's a quote from the moron known as daveman:

"The point is, Hamas et. al. want to kill Jews. Israel responds by killing terrorists and their supporters. Can't you see the difference? One side kills combatants...the other kills non-combatants."

daveman, the moron, divides the Middle East into two groups:

(1) Jews
(2) "Terrorists and their supporters."

This is typical Zionist bull $hit. Yes, there are Jews in Israel. Yes there are terrorists in the Middle East. However, there are plenty of Jews that are terrorists and plenty of Arabs that are terrorists. More importantly, there are even more Jews and even more Arabs that ARE NOT terrorists.

The Israeli Government is waging a war of genocide against the Palestinians. Some Palestinians are using tactics against the Israelis that are called "terrorist" because they target the Israeli population. However, if Israel is, as Zionists claim, a democracy, then the people of Israel are responsible for the actions of the Government of Israel. As such, it is not illogical to target them. As for the method of using sucide bombers, the only difference between a suicide bomber and a "smart bomb" is that the suicide bomber suffers and the smart bomb does not suffer. In each case, innocent humans are usually killed.

Israeli attacks have not been sufficiently constrained to avoid killing civilians. Israelis intentionally use far more firepower than necessary in a deliberate attempt to murder Palestinian innocents. This is a protracted game of slow genocide hidden under the guise of "collateral damage."

daveman is just another KOBE fascist.

"If you're anti-moron, yet you're a moron,..."

Unsubstantiated Allegation

For more about logic, see:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/nonsup.htm

sounds like Holiday Inn to me!

Good! I'll make a reservation for you and all of your raghead friends! DEATH TO ISLAM AND NIGGERS!!!!!

www.kobehq.com

How can you live with yourself?

'daveman, the moron, divides the Middle East into two groups:

(1) Jews
(2) "Terrorists and their supporters."'

Uh, no...don't recall saying that. Must have been the voices in your head.

"The Israeli Government is waging a war of genocide against the Palestinians."

If so, they're doing a pretty poor job of it. If your ridiculous statement were true, there wouldn't BE any Palestinians.

'Some Palestinians are using tactics against the Israelis that are called "terrorist" because they target the Israeli population.'

Your use of scare quotes around "terrorist" shows you dont' agree with that label. So you believe blowing up children is a viable political expression?

"However, if Israel is, as Zionists claim, a democracy, then the people of Israel are responsible for the actions of the Government of Israel. As such, it is not illogical to target them."

So, it's okay to kill a country's non-combatant citizens because you disagree with their government's actions. Truly a terrorist line of thought. By your reasoning, then, the US "deserved" the 9/11 attacks. Tell me: are you willing to be someone's political statement? No? Then don't be so quick to volunteer other people.

"As for the method of using sucide bombers, the only difference between a suicide bomber and a "smart bomb" is that the suicide bomber suffers and the smart bomb does not suffer. In each case, innocent humans are usually killed."

Crap. Busloads of innocent children are never targeted by smart bombs...just the stupid ones with psycho looks in their eyes. Take a look at the Iraqi Body Counter. Shows a max of 7,046 as I write this. Now, how many tons of smart munitions did we expend? If precision weapons "usually" kill innocent humans, don't you think that number would be a lot higher? Your attempt to show the US and terrorists as morally equal is pathetic.

'Israeli attacks have not been sufficiently constrained to avoid killing civilians. Israelis intentionally use far more firepower than necessary in a deliberate attempt to murder Palestinian innocents. This is a protracted game of slow genocide hidden under the guise of "collateral damage."'

Again, crap. If israel wanted them all dead, they'd all be dead.

If Arabs were so interested in coexistence with Israel, perhaps you'd care to explain this, from http://www.iht.com/articles/98399.html:

"And, at a time when the Israeli government has accepted the right of Palestinians to statehood, most Muslim populations surveyed believe by wide margins that the needs of Palestinians cannot be met so long as the state of Israel exists."

Interesting, huh? And don't try the chicken and egg stuff, either. Muslim attitudes towards Jews stem from long before the creation of the state of Israel. Mohammed himself called for their deaths. Now, what do you suppose Jews did to piss off Mohammed? Short sheet his bed? Key his camel?

Face it, anti-yourself. You're just another Jew-hater.

I'm a jew baiter.

And I'm a Muslim hater. That's why I joined KOBE.

Systemfailure you lying cunt retract your comments regarding me or I'll come to your next concert and kick your enormous fat pussy ass.

Thank you.

Please post for me anti-Muslims statements I have made.

It's funny...whenever I challenge anyone to do this, there's never any reply.

Eat shit simple simon, imean eric, ohhh i mean daveman.
Show up at any show you wish and just take a swing.
I know you think your threats are scary.... I just think thier funny.
You are welcome at any time.
or
If ya would like to meet somewhere just email me.
Didnt think so.
HA ha H@
ha Ha h@
hA hA Ha
dick...

Eat shit simple simon, imean eric, ohhh i mean daveman.
Show up at any show you wish and just take a swing.
I know you think your threats are scary.... I just think thier funny.
You are welcome at any time.
or
If ya would like to meet somewhere just email me.
Didnt think so.
HA ha H@
ha Ha h@
hA hA Ha
dick...

...hit you, sissie.

Child abuse is illegal.

...hit YOU, davemoron.

Hitting a retard is just wrong.

You're a lying little cunt systemfailure.

You know I never said I was in SF.

But you never tire of accusing me of it.

Grow a dick junior.

As charming as ever I see.

So, what other alias have you been posting under while you were letting this name cool off a bit?

I think George Bush is a psycho and needs help along with his dog Tony Blair.

Yes, you did lie, and everyone here knows it.
Everyone here also knows you as daveman and eric.
So cut the shit.
Just admit it, you love GW so much, that you wanna be just like him
A LYING SACK OF SHIT.

WE'VE ALL NOTICED THE TREND.
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ok, i have been reading all of the comments made on this page and they really make me sad. all of you people here are trying to enlighten each other by forcing your opinions down others throats! how bout instead you try to explain your opinions and not call each other such demeaning names as cunt and pussy. to many, those words are not demeaning, but to people, especially women, who are paying attention to how our society is portraying and oppressing certain races and cultures as well as certain genders, i am very opposed to name calling as a way of getting out angert toward people you are talking to ONLINE. for all you know, these people do not exist! they do not really matter! all that should matter in your life is your opinions and those things you may believe as facts that you base your morals and beliefs on. please do not attempt to reprimand my thoughts, for i found this page on accident and do not plan to ever find it again. i just thought i would try to explain to you that calling a man a pussy and a cunt is not only putting down the person, but the female gender as a whole (because you are using it as a putdown). you are also using gender stereotypes from our country that are an astoundingly close replica to those in countries such as...say...afganistan and pakistan and all of those people that many of the people on this page are trying to condemn! please help yourself and back off, realize all of this dorky stuff you guys are talking about, and how non of it needs to be fought over like this!

thank you

by the way...i was trying to be really nice...