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Suicide Bombing Hits Israel for 5th Time in About 48 Hours

by nellie Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:49 PM

Suicide Bombing Hits Israel for 5th Time in About 48 Hours

Suicide Bombing Hits Israel for 5th Time in About 48 Hours

By GREG MYRE



ERUSALEM, May 19 - A suicide bomber blew up at the entrance to a shopping mall this afternoon in the northern Israeli town of Afula, killing at least four people and wounding more than a dozen, the Israeli police said.

The attack was the fifth suicide bombing in less than 48 hours, and it dealt yet another blow to efforts aimed at reviving the Middle East peace process.

The explosion came shortly after 5 p.m. at one of the entrances to the Shaarei Amakim mall. The blast took place at the spot where shoppers line up to be checked by a security guard. It was not immediately clear whether the bomber was a man or a woman.

The militant group Hamas, which opposes any negotiations with Israel, said its members carried out the previous four bombings, but no one immediately claimed responsibility for the latest attack in Afula, 75 miles north of Jerusalem.

``Palestinian terrorists have charted a course of murder and destruction,'' said David Baker, an official in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. ``It's obvious that the whole idea of making progress on the peace track does not appeal to them.''

The Israeli police and rescue services reported that at least four people were killed, though it was not known whether that toll included the bomber.

Earlier today, a suicide bomber on a bicycle detonated his explosives beside an Israeli Army jeep in the Gaza Strip, killing himself and wounding three soldiers.

In a trio of bombings Saturday night and Sunday morning, nine civilians were killed in attacks in Jerusalem and the West Bank town of Hebron.

The first attack on Saturday night came only hours before Mr. Sharon met with the new Palestinian prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas in the highest-level talks between the two sides since the latest round of of fighting broke out in September 2000.

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Ridiculous

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:52 PM

clearlya planted story, as an Arab would never attack a Jew.

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Quote of the Day

by tripe Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:56 PM

>Clearly a planted story, as an Arab would never attack a Jew.

Today, the blind speak as though they can see.



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Are We There Yet?

by Ffutal Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:14 PM

An Arab terrorist murdered at least two people this afternoon at a mall in Afula, Israel, the Jerusalem Post reports. Over the weekend three suicide bombers murdered nine Israelis, just as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was meeting with Palestinian "prime minister" Mahmoud Abbas, an early stop on the "road map" for peace. The biggest attack took place in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem, where a suicide murderer stepped onto a bus and blew himself up, killing seven.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1053311609841

The Washington Post reports:

"I saw bodies laying there like dolls," said Sgt. Dekel Shai, 19, an Israeli soldier who said he jumped out of the bus after the explosion. "Other people were screaming and covered in blood."

Six of the seven victims on the bus were from the same neighborhood in the community of Pisgat Zeev, where the bus made its first stop near the Green Line separating Israel and the West Bank, according to Israeli television reports. The bomber's belt was filled with tiny metal balls and bullets that pierced the bodies of many of the victims, according to rescue workers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6804-2003May18.html

The "road map" calls for an end to Palestinian Arab terrorism by the end of this month. You've got 12 days left, Abbas--good luck.

Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports "Palestinian militants have executed a young Palestinian in a public square in the West Bank city of Nablus, witnesses said, in a graphic warning to Palestinians against collaborating with Israeli intelligence":

Seven masked activists hauled Alla Daghlas, 22, to the main square in Nablus on Sunday. His hands tied behind his back, he was forced to kneel, with two gunmen pointing guns at him. Then "they shot him together and went back into the Old City where they came from," said witness Ahmed Abu-Omar, 28.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/World/story_48680.asp

Perhaps the time isn't yet ripe for a Palestinian state.

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It was me

by KOBE SBM Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 10:22 AM
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I submitted the fake Diogenes post, as well as the "tripe" post below it. I'm grasping at straws.

www.kobehq.com

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by . Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 10:36 AM

Actually, I submitted "tripe" and "Ffutal", and yes, you are grasping at straws.

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KOBE SBM=.

by IP CHECKER Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 11:11 AM

Do you always have conversations with yourself? Please continue. You're quite entertaining.

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Cui Bono?

by Who Benefits? Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 12:38 PM

If the talks are derailed - and the illegal settlements and occupation continues who benefits?

The Palestinians? I don't think so.

Sharon? Now you're thinking.

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Who Benefits?

by groupie Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 12:47 PM

I want some of what youre smokin dude

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groupie

by KOBE SBM Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 12:51 PM
kobehq@yahoo.com

Would you like to buy some crack? Please visit our website. All of us KOBES are crackheads.

www.kobehq.com

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It wouldn't be difficult

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 12:53 PM

to convince a few despondent, grieving and hopeless

stooges to blow themselves up.

When the devils in the kitchen, you can't blame the

waiters for the dishes.

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Cui bono?

by Who Benefits? Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 2:11 PM



Puppet On A String: Hamas Dances To Israel’s Tune

By Paul Joseph Watson: January 27 2003



Back in the heady days of the last century, the composition of government was a fine balance between decent individuals and outright criminals. Terrorism existed but any notion of a ‘war on terrorism’ was scoffed at because reasonable people didn’t see how a war on an abstract term could ever be won. Even if you wiped out every terrorist organisation on the planet, new ones would eventually emerge.

The criminal element of the state realized that in order to overthrow the genuine sector of government they had to create enemies and then play them off against these good-natured representatives. The typical scenario would be that a terrorist group attacks a country. The good-natured portion of government, thinking that the threat was independent, immediate and real, would react by imposing restrictions on the personal liberties of its citizens in a desperate attempt to prevent further attacks. Those citizens would then rise up in anger against these draconian measures and the so-called do-gooders would be kicked out of office. This would leave the criminals with a monopoly on government all as a result of the terrorist threat, which they had created in the first place. They would then be able to choose their own ‘do-gooders’ who would take the blame for the next manufactured terrorist attack. All the while the liberties of the citizens slip further into the abyss and the overall agenda of the criminals, to erect a society in their image, is advanced.

Of course nowadays the criminals are in complete control and recklessly fund every terrorist group worth the name, sometimes even directly participating in the actual terrorist attacks. However, it is useful to trace back over history and uncover how this strategy materialized.

Hijacking Terror

After September 11 Israel hijacked the rhetoric of the ‘war on terrorism’ and used it to stoke the fire of their own agenda, sanctioned within the wider context of the overall Globalist game plan. In a January 2003 UPI report, it was openly stated that Israel feel completely justified in admitting that Mossad will be carrying out political assassinations on American soil,

“Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has forbidden the practice until now, these sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.”

Of course, it has been known for decades that Mossad conduct so-called ‘pre-emptive’ assassinations of political enemies on foreign shores. The public admission itself is what makes the story, not the details, which were already largely known.

Wind-up Terror Toy

Israel’s supposed arch-enemy, the terrorist group Hamas, was founded and funded by Israel’s dominant Likud party and continues to be bankrolled to this day by political bodies pushing a one world government system. This is not my opinion and I am not breaking an exclusive story. It is a documented fact reported on by mainstream news outlets and admitted by respected individuals within the US and Israeli governments and intelligence agencies.

The objectives of Hamas dovetail with those of the Likud, no settlement at all costs. Whenever the prospect of a workable peace settlement between the Israelis and Palestinians arises, Hamas or

one of their offshoots blows a bus, restaurant or a hotel to pieces. This gives Israel the justification needed to scupper any agreement and further entrench their occupation of disputed lands. All the outsider sees is carnage, death and a mainstream media that spins the issue so that these atrocities somehow represent the wishes of the Palestinian people.

The Globalists have no intention of settling the conflict and will likely use it several years down the line to initiate a near-apocalyptic third world war that will fully ensconce their wicked empire. The final phase is a stage-managed ‘clash of civilizations’ between the Arab world, possibly supported by China, and the west.

According to United Press International,

“Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.”

Israel wanted to radicalize the dispute by moulding Hamas into a fundamentalist militant crusade to ape the Khomeini revolution in Iran. So much so that Israel groomed potential Hamas leaders, pressuring Israeli authorities to give them licenses to set up food kitchens, clinics, schools, and day-care centers, to create a governing structure alternative to Arafat's Fatah. These were known as ‘Village Leagues’  - and provided future Hamas operatives with a political and governmental foothold. This began in 1978 when Prime Minister Menachem Begin, himself a former terrorist leader, approved an application from Sheik Ahmad Yassin to license the Islamic Association, which would later produce a military wing, Hamas, in 1987. The Israeli Likud party propped up Yassin because they both had the same agenda, to destabilize Arafat’s Fatah.

The Village Leagues were then infiltrated by the Israeli intelligence agency Shin Bet, which provided weapons training for the Palestinians and also created a network of thousands of informers. This funding and support continued even after the signing of the 1993 Oslo accords.

The deliberate insertion of a competing faction would dilute support for the Palestinian Liberation Organization. Current Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had a key role in the formation of this policy. After the first wave of suicide bombings began in 1994, Israel could also discredit the PLO by linking it with Hamas after every terrorist atrocity. The hard line Likud party could then increase its standing amongst the Israeli people by promising a brutal crackdown on Palestinian terrorism.  Chaos and anarchy on the West Bank entails order – Likud’s order.

The US government correspondingly used the tactic of radicalizing a group or a country when it shipped millions of Islamic fundamentalist schoolbooks to Afghanistan under George Bush senior.  The books encouraged violent jihad and the overthrow of the then secular Afghan government. This conditioned a whole generation to calmly accept the subsequent fundamentalist Taliban regime, which was put into power in 1996 by the CIA.

Of course, an even more plentiful supply of compliance from Israeli citizens is harvested from manufactured terrorist threats, a tactic used to perfection by the post-9/11 Bush and Blair governments. By managing both the Hamas leadership and perception of the group’s deadly potential in the media, the Israeli elite could frighten their people into living under a police state,

“Sharon is conducting a vicious psychological operation inside Israel, to secure popular support for a war by staging continuous terror scares. One Israeli businessman confirmed that almost nightly, Israeli police enter restaurants, hotels, shops, etc., ordering patrons to evacuate due to "bomb threats." The businessman, a former Mossad official, was told by Israeli authorities that the scares are in almost all cases hoaxes, perpetrated to traumatize the public into accepting any anti-Arab military actions.”  [Executive Intelligence Review]

Previous to Israel’s intervention, Hamas was a relatively dormant and sidelined minority group. According to UPI’s US government source, "The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place.”  The well-respected International Herald Tribune could only agree,

“It is well-known that, in its long war against Palestinian nationalism, Israel penetrated every faction and recruited a veritable army of Palestinian informers and collaborators.”

Secretary-General of the Palestinian Authority Tayeb Raheem went into further details by stating that Hamas cells existed within the Israeli army and security services, proof of which was documentation highlighting the fact that Islamic operatives were regularly entering camps such as Dahaniya that only Israeli collaborators were permitted to access.

War on Peace

The closest the world came to seeing a settlement in Israel was during the term of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Rabin had signed the Oslo agreement with Yasser Arafat, which was the framework for the establishment of a Palestinian state by 1998. Rabin wasn’t exactly warm and cosy to the Palestinians during his early years in office, but by late 1995 he had reached effective accords with both the Palestinians and Jordan, and was on the verge of repeating the trick with Syria. As Arab governments’ support for the initiative increased, their funding and support of Hamas decreased.

It was at this point, on November 4 1995, that Rabin was gunned down by a ‘lone nut assassin’ after a peace rally in Tel Aviv. His assassin, Yigal Amir was trained by Shin Bet, the Israeli domestic intelligence service. Shin Bet had received multiple warnings in the weeks preceding the event that an assassination attempt would take place. Strange therefore that Rabin’s security detail, who were trained to immediately fire upon any armed intruder, stood idly by and watched as Amir walked within six feet of Rabin and discharged his weapon. According to the New York Times, Rabin was able to get up and enter his nearby limousine stating, “it hurts, but it's not so bad" before being driven to the hospital. Upon arrival, Rabin’s chauffeur had to sprint through the hallways shouting in an attempt to get some attention. The notion that a hospital wouldn’t have a medical team on standby for the arrival of a seriously wounded Prime Minister is inconceivable. These are just a few pieces of evidence out of hundreds to suggest that Rabin was meant to die.

Rabin’s wife, Leah, directly blamed the Likud party and particularly its bloodthirsty leader, Benjamin Netanyahu. The Rabin murder underlines the fact that whether Hamas dupes or their own agents are utilized, the tactics and ideology are always the same. Israel’s right-wing elite and their global puppet masters were anxious to crumble any hope for peace, which before Rabin’s assassination was a viable possibility.

Another reason for Rabin’s elimination was his open understanding that Hamas was a tool of the Israeli elite, according to Yasser Arafat. In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Arafat said,

"We are doing everything to stop the violence. But Hamas is a creature of Israel which at the time of Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Shamir [the late 1980s, when Hamas arose], gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques. Even [former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin ended up admitting it, when I charged him with it, in the presence of [Egpytian President Hosni] Mubarak."

Rabin defined Israel’s covert support of Hamas as a “fatal error” and was in the process of putting an end to it before his assassination. He expelled 400 of its operatives in 1992 and arrested 4,000 of them in the months before his death. Hamas responded by taking a ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ stance and pledged allegiance to the Israeli opposition party, the Likud.

Taking into consideration the fact that such information could have been propaganda emanating from either Arafat or Rabin, a Jerusalem Post editorial still concluded that the Hamas-Likud partnership wasn’t bellicose propaganda – they defined it as “conventional wisdom.”

Double Agent

Israeli, American and British control of Palestinian terrorists can be put in the context of the imminent takeover of Iraq. Abu Nidal was accused of nearly 900 political assassinations spanning the entire globe, as member of the Palestinian terror group Fateh Revolutionary Council. This group mysteriously escaped any Israeli reprisal, leading many analysts to conclude that it was firmly under Mossad control and used to discredit the PLO. In August of 2002 Nidal was found dead in a Baghdad hotel. Experts were certain that he had committed suicide to escape capture but the fact that he had sustained multiple gunshot wounds heavily suggests he was killed by Iraqi operatives. According to The Intelligence Network,

“Abu Nidal was working for the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad, for the last four years and was plotting a coup against Iraqi president Saddam Hussain at the behest of Western powers, top diplomats said.”

Many experts contend that Israel was pulling Nidal’s strings as far back as the 1960’s. Nidal was somehow able to obtain multi-entry visas and passports for numerous countries. Mossad had to shift him around the globe on several occasions to avoid his arrest. As the anti-war chorus grew to a crescendo in late 2002, the Americans began to formulate contingency plans that would enable them to overthrow Hussein without the need for a full-scale invasion of Iraq. The Iraqis, who themselves utilized Nidal in the 70’s, learned of the Israeli/American plot to use the asset Nidal and consequently had him neutralized.

After the mid-seventies, Nidal’s renegade attacks on Palestinian Fatah leaders far outweighed those against Israelis and Jews. Arafat’s most trusted lieutenants were Nidal’s favourite targets, most notably PLO's former intelligence chief Abu Iyad. Apart from Arafat, all the other founding members of Fatah were killed by Nidal in concert with Israel. Israel exploited their control of Nidal to the greatest effect in June 1982,

“Three gunmen seriously wounded then-ambassador Shlomo Argov in London, giving Menachem Begin's government the excuse it needed to implement then-defense minster Ariel Sharon's plan to invade Lebanon and push the PLO out of Beirut. Told it was Abu Nidal's men, not Arafat's, who shot Argov, then-chief of staff Rafael Eitan was reported to have said, "Nidal, Shmidal, they're all the same."”  [Ha’aretz]

Nidal always acted in the countries where Palestinian support was the strongest such as Greece, Cyprus and Sudan, and never in the occupied areas. He was in essence a gun for hire, carrying out assassinations on behalf of Syria and Iraq during the eighties.

Israel took full advantage in that they could use Nidal to both attack the PLO directly and commit terrorism, which Israel would then falsely link to the PLO.

EU Funds For Terrorists

The European Union began as a free trade agreement but is now a centralized, unelected, unaccountable federal power block that has subjugated the sovereignty of its member states. The parallels between Hitler’s plan for Europe and the developments that actually transpired under the EU are frightening. As with all attack arms of global government, the EU’s success is dependent on creating problems that it then ‘solves’ by increasing its own authority. The militarization of the EU as a standing army would be worthless and unprofitable unless there was a healthy supply of global chaos to counteract.  Therefore we should not be surprised that EU money is being laundered to Hamas. According to the EU Observer,

“The allegations have been in the air for over two years: EU money is being used by Yassir Arafat's Palestinian Authority to fund terrorist activities. The claim by Ariel Sharon's government at the beginning of May that it had found "damning evidence" to support this allegation brought the polemic into the open. Concerned at the accusations, the Parliament suspended payment of some 18.5 million euro due to the Palestinians until May 19.”

Why Arafat would want to channel money into those groups that actually weaken his authority is unclear. It seems more likely that Sharon is trying to distract from his own administration’s funding of Hamas. As for the EU, this issue is very unpopular in the European parliament. At the time of writing, a bill proposed to investigate the matter looks set to be abandoned because the petition is 17 names short of its required total. Despite the EU’s claim that its hands are clean and that any money that reaches the hands of terrorist groups is the responsibility of the Palestinian Authority, they have been nothing short of desperate to prevent a simple probe,

“EU Commissioner for External Affairs Chris Patten has successfully persuaded 12 of the MEPs that wanted to sign on to the petition to withdraw their support on the basis that he has seen no evidence of misuse of EU money, and has accused the MEPs supporting the investigation of "flogging a dead horse." MEP Charles Tannock says he is astonished by his fellow Conservative Party colleague's attitude: "My campaign has incurred the wrath of Commissioner Patten, who regards this initiative as a direct challenge to his authority and credibility. The sole purpose of this investigation is to clear the air, and I have always maintained a balanced approach to the Israel/Palestine question, favoring a peaceful settlement based on a two-state solution." Commissioner Patten's response is that he needs an investigation of PA abuse of his funds "like I need a hole in the head." Patten's unwillingness to investigate how the PA used the money it was given by the EU seems remarkably peculiar considering that the EU Court of Auditors declined last November to approve the EU's budget for the eighth year running, admitting it can only guarantee that 5 percent of taxpayers' money is being spent properly.” [World Net Daily)

No Way Out

The question has been raised as to, if Yasser Arafat is such a loose cannon and a danger to the Israeli/Globalist agenda, why hasn’t he been assassinated? It seems Arafat is merely the head to Sharon’s tails.

Every year since 1954, the secretive Bilderberg Group (named after the hotel where they first met in the Netherlands), comprising elite powerbrokers from Europe and North America, has convened to discuss, and influence, the changing global, political, economic and social landscape. The meeting is a coming together of the world’s most powerful individuals and yet yearly media coverage is non-existent. Bilderberg is arguably the highest-level known semi-secret organisation pushing a one-world order. Bilderberg has used its considerable influence to oust political figures who cease to cooperate with the global agenda, most notably Margaret Thatcher who was proving a thorn in the side of European federalism until she was replaced by the Carlyle Group’s John Major.

The Bilderberg Group also counts amongst its members one Yasser Arafat. Arafat attended the group’s June 1999 meeting in Sintra, Portugal.

I suspect Arafat is an unwitting accomplice to the Globalists and is being manipulated to react in ways that are harmful to his own cause, and of course beneficial to those who seek to indefinitely enflame the Middle East.

The solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is of the same brand as the solution to all other devastating conflicts around the world. Expose the chaos mongers, expose the global elite who manage and inflict total bedlam to further their own agenda. They are the source of all our ills and yet a vast majority of the world don’t even know who ‘they’ are or what their agenda is. If we are to ensure that future generations of Israelis and Palestinians are not to live in abject day-to-day terror, we must point out who benefits from keeping Israel in permanent turmoil.

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Paul Joseph Watson is a writer and researcher based in Sheffield, England. He is the Webmaster at both PropagandaMatrix.com and PrisonPlanet.com. Watson's new book Order Out of Chaos - published by Dandelion - will be released later this year.

Contact: Paul@propagandamatrix.com

Reprints of this article are encouraged, so long as  http://www.propagandamatrix.com is cited.
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great post

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 2:20 PM

connecting the dots, or, are those drops of blood?

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ahem

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 3:24 PM

"Israel’s supposed arch-enemy, the terrorist group Hamas, was founded and funded by Israel’s dominant Likud party and continues to be bankrolled to this day by political bodies pushing a one world government system. This is not my opinion and I am not breaking an exclusive story. It is a documented fact reported on by mainstream news outlets and admitted by respected individuals within the US and Israeli governments and intelligence agencies."



Then it should be very easy for the poster of this fantasy to provide us with plenty of verification of this.

Unbelievable. you monsters actually hate Jews and Israel SO MUCH that when faced with example after example after example after example ad nauseum of the "palestinian" desire to annihilate peace AND Jews, your only defense is to try and claim that Israel is doing this to themselves?

And of course the complete idiots like sheepdog just open wide and swallow the hook.

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Logical Fallacy

by debate coach Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 3:26 PM

"Unbelievable. you monsters actually hate Jews and Israel SO MUCH..."

Unsubstantiated Allegation

For more about logic, see:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm

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swallow

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 3:27 PM

It's my job.

I do it so well.

Gulp!

Yep.

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^

by KOBE SBM Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 3:28 PM
kobehq@yahoo.com

I submitted the above post. Aren't I clever? My mommy thinks so!

www.kobehq.com

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she can't have me....

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 3:39 PM

my girlfriend would not like it.

stop using swallow and my nick in the same sentence.

it's embarrassing.

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Why not?

by Sue Real Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 3:46 PM

fresca swallows.

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yet another

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 4:16 PM

..perfect example of you fools being utterly discredited and having nothing to add but nonsense.

Chalk another one up for me, I guess.

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fresca

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 4:36 PM

You're the only one who's thoroughly discredited.

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hmmm

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 4:46 PM

and how is that

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how?

by Dr.Payne Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 6:37 PM

By the dislocation in your arm from patting yourself on the

back so hard all the time to the glow of your own approval.

Oh wait, there's daveman, Bush Admirer and your new assistant, what's its name.

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well c'mon

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 7:26 PM

"patting yourself on the

back so hard all the time "

wouldn't you if you were constantly refuting every assinine argument these fools made?

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no

by Dr. Payne Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 7:29 PM

I would present an idea, information or opinion and let it

stand.

I don't need to pat myself anywhere.

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Scottie Dog...

by daveman Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 9:44 PM

"You're the only one who's thoroughly discredited."

Psst...it's not enough to just say it. You actually have to DO it.

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Notice that the resident supporter...

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 22, 2003 at 3:06 AM

... of Israeli Hate Crimes is the first to call anyone who disputes the Zionist Party Line a Jew Hater.

Earth to frescaw: It is not Jews that people are objecting to it is the Israeli Policies of State Terrorism and Suppression.

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uh sure

by fresca Thursday, May. 22, 2003 at 3:15 AM

"Earth to frescaw: It is not Jews that people are objecting to it is the Israeli Policies of State Terrorism and Suppression."

That sounds all fine and dandy and is certainly convenient, but the fact remains that none of you give a rats ass about the state of life of ANY other arab or non arab middle east person. Your focus is solely on the "palestinians" because they're the ones at war with the Jews. if the policies of Israel were somehow oppressing a segment of Jewish Israeli citizens you'd be nowhere to be found.

Your excuses for being anti-"Israeli Policies" is completely transparent.

PLENTY worse is happening daily in the middle east to MANY more than the "palestinians " in Israel. But...since you all just plain hate Jews, you've thrown your chips in with the one group curenntly blowing Jews up.

Your racism makes me sick. You lying about it is just palin sad.

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More of the usual Zionist line...

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 22, 2003 at 3:24 AM

...if you even dare mention Israel's crimes it proves that you hate Jews.

Does that mean that if you object to the crimes of the Third Reich you hate Germans?

Or if you opposed the massacre in Tianamen Square you hate Chinese?

Or if you found the Bataan Death March inhuman you hate Japanese?

Or....

Such is frescaw's logic. It is not logic it is PR.

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obviously not..

by fresca Thursday, May. 22, 2003 at 3:47 AM

..If that's your interpretation of my post then you're not only a Jew-hater but your also an idiot.

What proves your a Jew hater is the fact that you couldn't care less about anybody other than who you percieve the Jews to be oppressing (defending themselves against). One can only conclude that you hate Jews. Otherwise you would be equally outspoken against those groups in the middle east committing real atrocities.

Face it. You're a racist.

No getting out of it.

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More People for frescaw to hate...

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 22, 2003 at 4:31 AM

...and lie about.

Gush Shalom (Israeli Peace Bloc): http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html

Jews United Against Zionism: http://www.nkusa.org/

Jews Not Zionists: http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Jewish Voices Against the Occupation: http://www.jvao.org/

Jews Against the Occupation: http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/

Jewish Voices for Peace: http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

539 More People for frescaw to hate: http://www.couragetorefuse.org/defaulteng.asp

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