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Kick Their Ass and Take Their Gas: Democracy Comes to Iraq

by Jacob Levich Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 6:46 AM

One month after the fall of Baghdad, the US has successfully liberated the people of Iraq from meaningful involvement in decisions about their own future.

Published on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 by CommonDreams.org

Kick Their Ass and Take Their Gas: Democracy Comes to Iraq

by Jacob Levich

 
One month after the fall of Baghdad, the US has successfully liberated the people of Iraq from meaningful involvement in decisions about their own future.

A designer regime, concocted behind closed doors by Pentagon and State Department planners, is now being imposed on Iraq with great speed and without any kind of popular consent. Iraq's nascent "democratic transition government" is window-dressing for a military dictatorship charged with insuring that US policy goals -- especially the disposition of Iraq's vast petroleum reserves -- are protected from any troublesome outbreaks of democracy.

As journalist Naomi Klein recognized weeks ago, the Iraqi people will not be granted authority until fundamental and probably irrevocable features of the New Iraq are locked in place.

The essentials of the US blueprint for post-invasion Iraq were known to legislators by February 2003, when Undersecretary of State Douglas Feith outlined administration policy goals in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Feith drew on months of planning by a White House committee chaired by Iran-Contra perjurer Elliott Abrams, as well as input from Establishment intellectuals and a series of closed-door meetings sponsored by the State Department's "Future of Iraq" program.

Further details of the blueprint were disclosed early this year to key Iraqi expatriates like White House favorite Ahmad Chalabi, the career dissident and convicted felon who is Bush's man in Baghdad. The highhandedness of US plans alarmed even Chalabi, who partially summarized them in a February 19 Wall Street Journal op-ed:

"[T]he plan ... calls for an American military governor to rule Iraq for up to two years. ... The occupation authorities would appoint a 'consultative council' of handpicked Iraqis with non-executive powers and unspecified authority, serving at the pleasure of the American governor. The occupation authorities would also appoint a committee to draft a constitution for Iraq. After an unspecified period, indirect elections would be held for a 'constituent assembly' that would vote to ratify the new constitution without a popular referendum."

At no point in this democratic transition, it should be noted, will the Iraqi people actually be permitted to vote.

Events of the past month suggest that the US is following its blueprint to the letter. Iraq is now controlled by a military occupation government known euphemistically as the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance. Its chief, former Lt. General Jay Garner, is de facto Viceroy of Iraq. (In a decision dictated partly by public relations considerations, Garner will soon be replaced in this role by a civilian, Kissinger crony L. Paul Bremer III. According to The New York Times, Bremer is being installed in order to "lessen the appearance of a military occupation." Like Garner, however, he will be reporting to US Central Command.)

On April 15 and 27, the US convened official gatherings of handpicked Iraqi "delegates" in Ur and Baghdad. The meetings took place in halls encircled by US armored vehicles. Participation was by US invitation only; representatives from Iraq's left-wing, fundamentalist, and nationalist parties were systematically excluded; ordinary citizens seeking to observe democracy in action were barred from the hall. White House envoy Zalmay Khalilzad presided.

On May 4, Garner announced that he had appointed the "consultative council" mentioned by Chalabi. Although Garner implied that the council's makeup reflected the sentiments of the Baghdad conference, the nine members turned out to be the usual suspects: prominent Iraqi dissidents, mostly expatriates, who have been on the US payroll for years. Despite his evident unpopularity at all levels of Iraqi society, Chalabi is among them.

Garner further announced that the US is beginning the plan's next phase, the selection of a constituent assembly. With surprising frankness, he described this puppet body as "a government with an Iraqi face on it that [will be] totally dealing with the coalition."

Again, no elections will be held, but teams of Iraqi ex-dissidents close to the US are fanning out across the country to recruit amenable local officials and leaders. Recent disclosures suggest that their loyalty may well be secured through blackmail and bribery.

According to the new York Times, the US has provided Chalabi's gang with a blackmail kit in the form of documents taken from the Ba'ath Party and Iraqi secret police archives, described as "incendiary material in a region where under-the-table payoffs to buy protection, loyalty or silence are the seamy side of political life." The existence of a bribery program is not openly acknowledged, but can be inferred from leaks surrounding the April 10 assassination of US-sponsored Shiite cleric Abdul Majid al Khoei in Najaf. Shortly after his death, US intelligence sources revealed that Khoei had been provided with $13 million to buy the loyalty of Shiite leaders.

These, then, are the sordid realities behind President Bush's recent declaration that the "we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by, and for the Iraqi people." And while the White House issues platitudes about democracy, anti-US street demonstrations, which arguably represent democracy in its purest form, are being put down by lethal force.

On April 15, soldiers opened fire on a crowd hostile to the US-imposed governor in Mosul, killing at least 10 people and injuring as many as 100. On April 29 and again on April 30, US troops machine-gunned protestors in the town of Fallujah, killing at least 15 Iraqis and wounding more than 75 in massacres reminiscent of the British firings in colonial India. An unmistakable message is being sent.

What's at stake? In a word, oil. Indeed, a swift and sweeping restructuring of Iraq's petroleum-fueled economy is already well underway.

Acting unilaterally, the U.S. has moved to radically restructure Iraq's oil industry on the model of a Western private corporation, with a chief executive and a management team, vetted by American officials, who would answer to a "multinational" board of advisers. Oil production is now under the control of former ExxonMobil executive Gary Vogler, who has publicly warned Iraq's indigenous oil ministers not to make any decisions without the approval of allied forces.

All this is a prelude to the privatization of Iraqi petroleum. Speaking for the State Department-sponsored Oil and Energy Working Group, Kurdish oil consultant Dara Attar says openly that Iraq is "going to 'demonopolize' the oil, inviting foreign companies to invest directly in development of new oil fields." According to another working group member, former Iraqi oil minister Fadhil Chalabi, the US will then pull Iraq out of OPEC. The defection from OPEC of the nation with the world's second-largest oil reserves could effectively destroy the organization, eliminating once for all the threat that oil-producing states may set the agenda for their own future.

Meanwhile, a careful reading of mainstream news stories suggests that the US is quietly foisting upon the people of Iraq a regimen of economic "shock therapy" reminiscent of the neo-liberal reforms that devastated Central European economies during the 1990s.

Acting on the advice of the US Treasury Department, CENTCOM has replaced the Iraqi dinar with the US dollar -- wiping out the savings and pensions of the Iraqi people at one blow. Simultaneously, the system of price controls by which Saddam's government kept food, electricity, and other necessities affordable has been abolished. Eventually a new dinar will be issued, but only after the US has set up a new central bank and "stabilized" the economy under Treasury Department supervision.

This stabilization will likely take the form of a wholesale, institutionalized looting of national wealth. The US has determined that the Iraqi people themselves, through the sale of their petroleum, will be made to finance repair of the immense infrastructural and social damage caused by two wars and a decade of punitive sanctions. This money will flow to well-connected US corporate giants like Halliburton and Bechtel, which have already been awarded no-bid contracts totaling nearly $2 billion. Ironically, the same defense-related firms that reaped huge profits from the destruction of Iraq will now benefit from its reconstruction.

Additionally, the Iraqi people will be expected to honor nearly $300 billion in foreign debt left over from the Saddam years -- or at least, that portion of the debt owed to the US, UK, and other supporters of the war. Servicing of these debts will likely require further privatization of assets -- in practice, a firesale of commonly held national assets to foreign private investors.

By the time Iraqis are granted some semblance of self-government, their country will already have been reduced to the status of a Third World debtor nation -- incapacitated, brutalized, beggared, and therefore pliable enough to accommodate both international corporate interests and a massive, permanent US military presence.

Yet if history is any guide, the people of Iraq will not submit meekly to this latest form of tyranny. Resistance will escalate, and so will repression.

Bremer, arriving in Baghdad with a mandate to restore order and security, is a counterterrorism specialist who favors hardline measures, including "targeted killings." So the near future isn't hard to guess: dissenters will be jailed, "disappeared," assassinated, or simply mowed down with automatic weapons.

They will of course be branded as recalcitrant Saddamists, Iranian spies, and al-Qaeda terrorists. Given what we know about the goals and nature of the occupation government, it might be more accurate to call them freedom fighters.

Jacob Levich (jlevich@earthlink.net) assisted the Research Unit for Political Economy in the preparation of Behind the Invasion of Iraq (Monthly Review Press 2003). He is a writer, editor, and activist based in Queens, New York.
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We're just there to...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 6:50 AM

...liberate the Iraqi People®. Or was that liberate the Oil Fields, or Weapons of Mass Destruction®, er cuz' Saddam wouldn't let the Arms inspectors back in, or yeah yeah - cuz' he and Osama Bin Forgotten are good buddies.

"At no point in this democratic transition, it should be noted, will the Iraqi people actually be permitted to vote."
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Democracy

by Meyer London Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:11 AM

Here is what the United States really thinks about "democracy" in the Middle East: when Iraq invaded Quwait in 1990, claiming (and rightly so) that Quwait was doing slant drilling of oil in Iraqi soil and that Quwait was rightly a part of Iraq anyway, having been set up by British colonialists as an artificial country whose pupose was to give the West a foothold in the oil fields, Bush I rejected all suggestions that the crises be defused by letting the Kuwaiti people vote in an internationally supervised election on whether they wanted to be part of Iraq or remain under the rule of the so-called Emir of Kuwait.
Bush rejected this solution outright because he knew what the results of such an election would be. Does anyone but a fool really think that the US will let Iraqis have a democratic election if it is clear that the Shiite clerical forces will win a majority or plurality of the votes? Or that the Baath Party will win?
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What exactly are you saying Meyer?

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:19 AM

Who do you suppose the 3000+ dead found in that mass grave would have voted for?
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Cetainly not the "man"...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:27 AM

...who helped make it happen.
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Not relevant

by Meyer London Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 7:30 AM

Eric, your statement and question do not have even the most remote relevance to the pont I made - that the United States does not stand for "democracy" in the Middle East.
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Bingo

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:06 AM

"that the United States does not stand for "democracy" in the Middle East."

As great as we are, even we can't pull that miracle off.
Democracy is the antithesis of Arab culture.

This is the only conclusion one can draw from a close look at history.

No value judgements, just plain fact.
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Arabs incapable of democracy

by Meyer London Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:11 AM

Aside form the obvious racism and snotty elitism of your statement, your posting brings to mind the following question: if the United States die not invade Iraq to remove "vast quantities of weapons of mass destruction" (which obviously don't exist and which not even a mentally challenged fool like Bush ever really believed existed) and it did not invade to establish "democracy," why did it invade? It couldn't be that critics of the war were right after all and Bush was after the oil, could it?
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"that the United States does not stand for "democracy" in the Middle East.&

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:18 AM

Utter nonesense.

The counterpoint I made has everything to do with your question. That point being that those people did not have Democracy prior to US intervention, therefore it can't get any worse in Iraq.

Regardless of the measure of Democracy they are allowed, there won't be any mass graves for dissident citizens dug by Americans.

And of course they would vote the same extremist leadership into power. It's all they know after decades of brainwashing. Saddam Hussein's effigies are what those people know. His face is etched on the textbooks of school children.

"Does anyone but a fool really think that the US will let Iraqis have a democratic election if it is clear that the Shiite clerical forces will win a majority or plurality of the votes? Or that the Baath Party will win?"

Of course not. Why should we reflash the same fire we just extinguised. If we did that, you'd be the same demented liberal next week screaming about the new tyrants that The USA put into power. Just like I so often hear from you morons around here about the Saddam-America-allies bullcrap.

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nope

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:20 AM

"It couldn't be that critics of the war were right after all and Bush was after the oil, could it?"

No it couldn't. It's been firmly established that the "critics" of the war were and are categorically wrong.

WMD have and will be found to the extent that that's even a issue.

Of course the reason we went, or at least the only reason I needed to support it was to get rid of Hussein who had every method and motivation to, at some point, aid those that continually attack us.

I've always said if someone makes a profit on thw war, so be it. I couldn't possibly care less. My desire to see the end of Hussein, far outweighs my huge distrust of oil companies and their minions. I'd vote for Haliburton for GOD if it meant doing away with Islamist despots and stoneage hatred of ALL things Jewish and American.

But make no mistake, there is nothing elitist, racist, sexist, or any other -ist in simply observing the historical anethma of democracy in Arab culture.
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"why did it invade?"

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:24 AM

It was a war of freedom. The threats of WMD were very real. If someone points a gun at you, regardless of whether it is loaded, you either fight back or you cave. (I'd assume the later in your case, Meyor) Regardless of whether he had them or not, the war is justified, galvanized by the blood of 3000 Americans on 9-11.

And if they (the administration) knew he had no WMD, they played that card to get as many people onto the side of righteousness as was possible. The war's over, justice has been served, and your bellyaching is only entertaining the rest of us.

P.S. I've noticed your silence on the mass graves and the Mobile weapons labs. wink wink.
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More cawing from the ...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:31 AM

...Carrion Crows.

"WMD have and will be found to the extent that that's even a issue. "

And Colin Powell told the entire world we knew he had them and had the "Photos" to prove it.

Dick Cheney repeated the lie and said the Iraqi People would greet U.S. forces as liberators.

If we had enough Intelligence to PROVE Saddam had WMDs® then we should be able to lead the Camera Crews of the In-Bedded Reporters right up to the "mountains" of banned weapons. The Bush Junta has not done so. Ergo there are no substantial quantities of said WMDs®.

The Iraqi People, as I predicted, have met their liberators with Small Arms as opposed to "Open Arms".

You guys are either selling the lie or are among the duped.

Which is it?
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Memo to Eric & fresca

by FOX NEWS Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:34 AM

We love you! Rupert sends his best wishes.
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Dio

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:40 AM

"If we had enough Intelligence to PROVE Saddam had WMDs® then we should be able to lead the Camera Crews of the In-Bedded Reporters right up to the "mountains" of banned weapons. The Bush Junta has not done so. Ergo there are no substantial quantities of said WMDs®. "

A) WMD is already plural, No need to add the "s". Basic 1st grade English.

2) you spout this all the time but why? It's a purely stupid thing to say. Regardless of whether there are WMD or not, all the intel in the world would not allow ANYONE to walk up and find a mountain of weapons unless, after 12 years of subterfuge, Hussein just sorta forgot everything and left it all out in the open. Get your head outa your ass.

C) We know he had WMD. There's is no eveidence they were ever destoyed. Ergo they must still be somewhere. Things don't just vanish. Well, perhaps they do in your world. Unfortunately, this is our world wer'e talking about.

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I love when you bozos use that "Fox News" crap

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:44 AM

Tell us where YOU get YOUR news? We already know about Jeff Rense and whatreallyhappened.com. But I'm sure you must have at least one credible source for information. You do, don't you?
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Rense.com front page

by hahahahaha Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:47 AM

Rense.com front page...
help.jpgopberl.jpg, image/jpeg, 251x400

Liberals crack me the fuck up!!!
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Eric

by Scottie Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:50 AM

You actually think that Fox News is CREDIBLE? Did you hit your head when you fell off of that turnip truck yesterday?
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you're looking at it

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:51 AM

This is it Eric. Whatever get's posted on these indy-yet hauntingly regimented- media boards is THE source. It's safe. It'll never contradict anything that came before it since it's a rehash of that same news. A snake eating it's tail.

Of course, the same people are also writing rense, wrh.com and a few others. Insularity is utterly MANDATED in order to maintain this particular neurosis.
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faker boy

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:52 AM

It's a lot more credible than Rense.com, whatreallyhappened.com, and of course, indymedia.org.
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The song remains the same...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:57 AM

...therefore it remains with the question is frescaw paid or just foolish?

"A) WMD is already plural, No need to add the "s". Basic 1st grade English."

Thank you Perfesser I stand corrected. However the ® stands as in WMD®.

"2) you spout this all the time but why? It's a purely stupid thing to say. Regardless of whether there are WMD or not, all the intel in the world would not allow ANYONE to walk up and find a mountain of weapons unless, after 12 years of subterfuge, Hussein just sorta forgot everything and left it all out in the open. Get your head outa your ass. "

Not at all it illustrates the vacuity of your arguments. One for which you have no real defense. The question has been asked by foreign leaders and pundits and is a valid question. Where's the Beef?
"Mountains" of Weapons don't evaporate overnight. If they existed, and the Bush Junta really did have the Intelligence to prove it they would have done so by now. Certainly they should have had Iron Clad evidence before launching a War and killing thousands of people. They have not been able to produce any substantial evidence. Ergo they do not exist and the Bush Junta LIED when they said they KNEW he had them and KNEW where they were at. You have no case and no evidence to support your contentions.
Your closing with a nasty comment simply proves your inability to sustain your case.

"C) We know he had WMD. There's is no eveidence they were ever destoyed. Ergo they must still be somewhere. Things don't just vanish. Well, perhaps they do in your world. Unfortunately, this is our world wer'e talking about."

A. It's spelled evidence not "eveidence".
B. Sure, they are there in those Photos Colin Powell displayed to the World at the U.N. ROFL!

I'll repeat my earlier invitation: KMFA.
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Eric

by Scottie Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 8:57 AM

Look out! The "faker boy" is hiding in your closet!!! Have you ever considered psychiatric medication? You really need it.
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"hiding in closet"

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:01 AM

The faker boy came out of the closet a long time ago.

Speaking of which, if homosexuality isn't deviant behavior, why is incest, bigamy, or polygamy considered so?
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Eric

by Scottie Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:03 AM

Nobody was speaking of homosexuality, you homophobe. Please consider those psychiatric meds. You're getting worse by the minute.
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shut your fucking piehole faggot.

by Max Thrasher Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:08 AM

Don't make me "Henry Dunn Jr" yo ass.
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Maxine Thrasher

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:12 AM

Are you into scat or bukkake?
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You said that the faker boy was hiding in the closet.

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:12 AM

You mean you weren't referring to his blatant homosexuality? You need to be more clear next time.
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Which is funnier?

by Meyer London Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:16 AM

Bush landing on that aircraft carrier dressed in a Captain Midnight suit, with an expression of utter stupidity on his face, or people who believe that the failure of our heroes to find vast stocks of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq is simply proof that they are well-hidden somewhere? So well hidden, I guess, that Hussein forgot where he hid them and so was unable to use them against the US invaders. The weapons of mass destruction story has the same credibilty as the belief that there are vast numbers of US pows in Vietnam being used as slave laborers and the story of Noah's Ark. Notice that the same kind of towering intellects tend to believe in all three - Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, and some of the people who post on this board.
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I need help

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:17 AM

Does anybody have any Prozac? I'm in need of some.
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Oscar Meyer has a way...

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:19 AM

Still silent on the mobile weapons labs and the mass graves. I guess his bologna has a first name too. It's L-I-B-E-R-A-L...
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Fucking queers

by Max Thrasher Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:23 AM

I fucking hate 'em. Shut your fucking gay ass mouth you faker faggot. Don't make me butt fuck you with a broom handle bitch. Go pry open a diseased sphincter and spread some ky jelly on it. Later you can come back and try to claim some sort of special status for you deviant behavior bitch...
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Maxine Thrasher

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 9:24 AM

Are you into scat or bukkake?
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Harry B

by e Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:00 AM

>>We're just there to...
by Diogenes • Monday May 19, 2003 09:50 AM
...liberate the Iraqi People®. Or was that liberate the Oil Fields, or Weapons of Mass Destruction®, er cuz' Saddam wouldn't let the Arms inspectors back in, or yeah yeah - cuz' he and Osama Bin Forgotten are good buddies.
"At no point in this democratic transition, it should be noted, will the Iraqi people actually be permitted to vote."<<

Ladies and Gentlemen, the reason that Harry Browne got the votes that he did is based upon this flimsy form of logic. Thank you Libertarians for the laughs. Now, back into obscurity where you belong.
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"e"

by eff Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:05 AM

Get back into the mental ward where YOU belong.
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eff

by e Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:10 AM

I will. I too stupid to be allowed to mingle among the rest of society. I'm a liberal.
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"e"

by eff Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:11 AM

You're every bit a neocon as Wolfowitz. You're not fooling anybody but yourself.
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eff

by e Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:20 AM

The original definition of a "neocon" was someone who was formerly a liberal that when the Dems went too far left switched to Republican. I don't wear that label.

The more recent definition of a "neocon" are what leftist call people who are of Jewish descent and/or support Israel and who have lots to say about current foreign policy, i.e. Wolfowitz.

So which is it with you? Do you hate former liberals who switched sides or do you just hate Jews?
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I'm with you, e.

by KOBE SBM Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:23 AM
kobehq@yahoo.com

I just hate Muslims. Please visit my hate-filled website.

www.kobehq.com
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faker/KOBE

by e Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:28 AM

He confirmed what we already knew. Our resident faker loves KOBE, hates Jews, and is a closet Queen. Typical liberal right down the line.
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Get a clue

by KOBE SBM Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:30 AM
kobehq@yahoo.com

We KOBES are CONSERVATIVES, you idiot. You confirmed what I already knew: you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Typical conservative, right down the line.

www.kobehq.com
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by political Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:36 AM

KOBE is liberal. I read your site. You guys back George McGovern, Emma Goldman and Noam Chomsky. Way to go!
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Wow, are you ever an idiot. You make me embarrassed to be a conservative.

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faker=KOBE SBM=X

by IP CHECKER Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:46 AM

Who hadn't guessed this by now.
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political=e=Eric=Max Thresher

by IP GUY Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:48 AM

Who hadn't guessed this by now.
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Which is funnier?

by Meyer London Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:54 AM

Sharon claiming that he is for peace, Bush claiming that he is for democracy, posters here claiming that empty garbage cans on a truck are weapons of mass destruction, supporters of the mass murderers who head the Israeli and US governments claiming that they are outraged by graves in Iraq, the US announcing that it is taking control of the Iraqi oilfields and stating that the contracts with Russia and France are probably void while claiming that the war was not about oil, or the US claiming that the invasion of Afghanistan was necessary to eliminate Al Quaida and then admitting that it can't guarentee the safety of its own citizens in "friendly" Saudi Arabia? If only Milton Berle were alive; all this would provide wonderful material for his comedy hour.
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Hey IP guy

by PI Guy Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:55 AM

Look out! political=e=Eric=Max Thresher are under your bed!
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PI Guy (IP CHECKER)

by IP GUY Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:58 AM

Look out! faker=KOBE SBM=X are under your bed!
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Who the fuck is Milton Berle?

by Eric Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 10:58 AM

Christ Oscar Meyer, you must be a decrepit old fart!
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Eric

by Anti-moron Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 11:01 AM

Look out! The faker is under your bed!!!
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Who was MIlton Berle?

by Meyer London Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 11:12 AM

Just ask anyone over forty or so, Eric, Milton Berle was the leader of an international communist/Islamic/gay/over-educated, non-Bible believing conspiracy whose aim was to put every moronic right winger to work in educational labor camps in the agricultural fields of Kern County. Boy are you lucky that he died just as he was about to succeed in his anti-Christian conspiracy. Bush is lucky too.
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HaHa..(sob)

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 11:27 AM

Still no WMDs huh?

Evil stupid bastards.
clean the gore off your faces before it
starts to draw flies.
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well now

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:24 PM

"Still no WMDs huh? "

In addition to all the others there arehidden, at least the most dangerous was eliminated.

Sadam's regime.

The world's a better place.

Time to beg forgiveness sheep.
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still licking it off, huh?

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:28 PM

you don't have a soul do you?
I would feel sorry for you, but there are real
victims who are innocent.
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Hey (throws hands up)

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:33 PM

"you don't have a soul do you? "

I'm quite content with my humanity.

Your'e the one who would rather Sadam still be in power filling more mass graves just so you could "feel" good and not see any of the ugly realities of the world.

You are truly a selfish, monster of a life.
You cashed in your humanity along time ago.

I think they call people like you sociopathic.
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Conspiracy Theory

by lambcat Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:36 PM

"Still no WMDs huh?"

WMD's were found, but the government isn't telling us about it. And the corporate
press is playing right along with them.
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yep

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:43 PM

lost it a long time ago. Trying to get it back
but life is filled with traps.
still no WMDs, huh?
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still no WMDs, huh?

by already been answered Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:51 PM

WMD's were found, but the government isn't telling us about it. And the corporate
press is playing right along with them.



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How unfortuante ...

by fresca Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:55 PM

"lost it a long time ago. Trying to get it back
but life is filled with traps.
still no WMDs, huh?"


...that you've managed to fall into every one of them.

Stiill no WMD?
How many more will satisfy you. Or, should I say, be enough for you not to try and deny?

Still waiting for our (the human's with a heart) apology.
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Forget it, Fresca...

by daveman Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 2:19 PM

...they'll never be convinced.

If the objective of the war was to find Saddam's sand, and Bush pointed at the Iraqi desert, these yo-yos would insist the 3rd ID brought it all with 'em.
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Weapons

by wavemaster Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 4:26 PM

Remember that sales pitch er
address that Powel gave the
UN. You know the one where he
held up a spoon and said one drop
of this and will all be dead. Then he
told us about all the Boxilitum toxins
sounds scary ! oh and the aluminum
pipes that were bought for encriching uranium.
Were were told that a war was neccesary
because of WMDS!!!!!!!!! not mass graves!
Get it straight Fresca
and Daveman and all you paid shrills. Don't
try and distract us, they lied, lied, lied, and now
they are so arogant they think they can just
do whatever they want and not have to explain
anything to anybody. We know they are covering
up so much and the truth will one day come
out just like Regan and Nixon. Only Bush is
far worse than those two. This war was about oil,
money, and power. They are enriching themselves
with blood money to Haliburton , Boeing, Ratheon,
and all the other evil weapons dealers.
Nobody is fooled and we are gonna make sure
that everbody knows that the Bush Regieme
doesn't give a fuck about
protecing the homeland, because if they did they
would not have been murdering and
pillaging in Iraq. Instead they would have solved the
Palastinian Isreal conflict
and brought us Bin ladens head on a platter.
Thats how you solve terrorism. Stop supporting
dictatorships like the royal family of Saudi Arabia
who back terroism and oppress their peoples. The Royal family has thousands of people
living in the compound
and nine of them are Billionares! Meanwhile their
economy is in a shambles and their peoples
are starving with 25% unemployment.
Read the article in Sundays LA times opinon section.
Terrorisim is on the rise and Isreal and Palastine
are about to blow each other up. Boy i sure do feel
safe now. Oh but at least bush doesn't
fool around with Interns cause thats really
whats important.
Sheepdog Rules!
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Nobody here is a paid shill.

by Eric Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 2:50 AM

We're volunteers. Get it straight.

So now we're trivializing the mass graves.
The left is morally bankrupt, for sure.
Why is it that the WMD are of such importance to you?
The war is over now. Less people were killed than
were found in that mass grave. A brutal regime
has been driven out. Don't you want the Iraqis to be
free? What do you think, we'll just annex Iraq like we
did to Japan? Germany? Guatemala? San Salvador
Korea? Kuwait? Bosnia?
Oh wait, we didn't did we.
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Memo to Eric, daveman & fresca

by FOX NEWS Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 4:00 AM

Would you like to work for us? All three of you seem to be quite skilled at the art of BSing.
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The spin doctors win, for now.

by stu Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 5:08 AM

---Why is it that the WMD are of such importance to you? --

You're kidding, right?

This "war" and the international acrimony it has caused will have one positive side effect, to be sure: The myth of American moral superiority will be dismantled. For the moment, George W. Bush can lie and manipulate with impunity, he can carry on with his absurd charade and wax self-righteous as only an American politician can, but the facts and the logic of events of the last few decades are rapidly becoming part of the world's collective consciousness, and can't (won't) be ignored. You can pretend for now that El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, East Timor, etc, etc don't matter. You can rationalize the enabling of Saddam Hussein and countless other tyrants however you choose, but the arrogant and dangerously naive "why do they hate us" mentality is getting a rude awakening. The world's getting real small real fast and there aren't enough Fleischers or Rumsfelds to preserve the ignorance in which America is currently floundering.
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Two Points

by Diogenes Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 7:20 AM

1. Fight the "Wrap" Spammer by using your return key to keep
your post withing the normal window.

2. Where are the WMD® not one of the Shills, Apologists, PR Flacks, or PsyOps people have
answered the question. They, as usual engage only in insults
and obfuscation.

Where are the WMDs®

911 - What Really Happened?
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well...

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 9:29 AM

"Where are the WMDs® "


I guess since they haven't been found in any GREAT numbers that must mean that they don't exist. That they vanished. Right? Excellent logic Dio

911 - What Really Happened?

All evidence including video, audio and written confessions point to Arab terrorist led by Bin Laden. Until any evidence suggests otherwise or refutes this cornacopia of proof we'll have to accept this as fact.

There now. How's that for you Dio.
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fresca

by fresca Wednesday, May. 21, 2003 at 9:53 AM

Who's "we?" The voices in your head?
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dr

by da Thursday, May. 22, 2003 at 11:09 AM

when has democracy come to iraq?

im sorry ..????

ok they free of a dictator but there is alot to be done for them to CHOOSE their own way..

and at the moment it seems that the UN and America..
and unfortunatly the Co-Allition.. have failed in responding to the needs of a country that has just been thru another war after 12 yrs of not having a great deal..and falling apart..

they need our help..then we can help them chose to do what they want.. (democracy)..

it aint over yet..
so dont walk outta the theatre yet...
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