What's up with our good old Iraq Body Counter?

Yesterday (28 APR 03) it stood at a max of 2500 dead.

Today it stands at 2600.

One hundred Iraqis died as a result of Coalition activities just today? Really?

I've only heard of 13.

But I guess if you call what happened in Jenin a "holocaust" or a "massacre" well 13 probably looks close enough to 100.

...how simple you really are. In a country the size of Iraq, how many old people, sick people and such die every day? That's where the Iraqi Body Counter comes from. Really, it's too, too simple.

Sorry, I am too stupid to figure that out.

So.... Old people dying of old age is the Coalition's fault?

Gotcha.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Unexploded cluster bombs are killing Iraqi civillians every day, especially children. The hospitals are still full and receive new casualties every day, some of them die as a result of there injuries. Yes of course the body count continues to rise. While there is no rationing of ignorance in this country, there is no rationing of innocent civilian deaths abroad.

I'm very glad someone pointed out that ridiculous and random body-counter.

What a load of shit that is.

But as we speak, the lefty fools around here are quoting those figures as gospel. LOL.

"What a load of shit that is."

Ahhhh, much like your brain.

Tell me Eric, you sycophant to all things ludicrous, do you actually believe the "body counter".

Yes or no.

And if yes, how do you account for the huge leap it's taken in the last 17 hours.

How do you account for the huge, empty space in your skull?

Caducada, there you go using that "ludicrous" word again...have you figured out what it means yet?

So then you agree with me. The counter is shit.

Thanks.

Wow. fresca, where did Eric type those words? I must have missed something. Or maybe you're just a total schizo.

You people are so AntiAmerican that you never mention the horror that the Iraqi people lived under when Saddam was in control. Look at it this way. if they would have held those protests in Iraq before we killed the Iraqi Regime then you would be seeing a Holocaust. I know you're upset that Saddam is dead and you no longer have a fearless role model to look up to, but you have to come out of your fantasy and realize that we, the USA, are good and Saddam's Regime was Evil. In this battle evil has been defeated. One more thing, who doesn't want to end the UN sanctions now and why? Or did the "evil" corporate media make all of that up? I think I saw the French president saying that on C-Span. What does it matter, you woudn't believe it unless you heard it from Al-jazeera or the Iraqi Information minister.

The US supported Saddam for 12 years, you asshatted clown.

American Pride - "We killed fewer than Saddam"

I especially like the Evil with the capital "E"...like the fruits of the devil...

...fuckin' wingnut....

When you resort to only name calling, then you reveal that you really don't have an argument to back up your position. Just admit you are a loser and try to trust the corporate media because you obviously only hold that position because of a lack of information. By the way, we supported Saddam during that time because of Iran or didn't you think that was important?

"Looks like I win the debate."

Yeah, if the subject of the debate is who's the biggest idiot.

goddamn, that was almost coherent....is that the same Iran that Reagan was selling arms to?

...but I guess that was because of Iraq, right?

...fuckin' asswipe....

Just kidding, you never made a point. Listen, I know you have your issues with the welfare system, but hey everyone works and you are no different. I know you wanted a war like Vietnam so you could have that old hippy lifestyle, but sorry kid, its not gonna happen. I don't see any 10 year wars in the immediate future. good bye and try to graduate high school or you will be as poor as your welfare Mom.

...are you drunk or just confused?

Normal people wouldn't have the time that you do to write bullshit at all hours of the day. I know for a fact that you are unemployed and probably under educated. Why don't you do something to help out instead trying to create problems, everyone is laughing at you on here. You have been my comic relief for the last two weeks. I come home from a hard days work at the office, kiss the wife hello and then retreat into my den to have a beer and relax for an hour. This is when I get to laugh at you everyday. But I do feel sorry for you since this seems to be everything in your life.

Go scrub another toilet. And the urinals need new scent cakes.

Really? You spend an hour every day reading my posts? Shit, I'm flattered....

Why shouldn't I spend that time reading your posts? It's not like my old lady gives me any poontang.

Iraqi Body Count website may sort a few things out.

Some think it's too low other think it's too high --- one things for certain you won't get a straight answer from your goverment.

I've been checking the Iraq Body Count site and counter since it was launched. I've made two observations about it: 1) It often takes hours or even days to post additional deaths (this is because facts must be checked, re-checked and then checked again (from what I've read)), 2) Often the numbers posted to the site have been far more conservative than those posted by Reuters or AP or other news sources. I think the counter is about as accurate as it can be from this end and I applaud their efforts.

On the ground, in Iraq, imagine how difficult it must be determining how many have died from an exploded bomb when all you can find are tiny bits and pieces scattered over several meters...

Just because someone's a Wingnut doesn't mean they trust Simon or fresca or the government they work for.

The idiot poser again.

I did not post the above comment.

So the body count went up to 2615 today.

That's 15 more than yesterday.

Now, there were 13 confirmed deaths yesterday, and two more today, so I guess that accounts for the 15.

But why did it jump by 100 yesterday?

Curious.

I'm impressed. I wish I could count. But unlike you conservatives, I can't think two feet past my ass.

I don't know my head from a hole in the ground.

Don't worry, sir. Even if it were true, liberals are bright enough to notice the difference.

It IS true, you parroting asswipe. Go kiss someone else's ass, you goon.

The photo still has bombs dropping from the stealth. That ended almost 3 weeks ago. We were also told that the number that would be killed during the war would approach if not exceed 500,000. Someone needs to accelerate the counter or it's going to take years and years to get there. Can't let something like the truth stand in the way of what was predicted, you know.

Truth? Oh, you mean the fake documents that attempted to prove that Iraq was purchasing uranium from Niger? THAT truth?

Why are fuckin' neocons sooooo stupid?

...oh, that's right....prereq for membership....

This string is about how the Iraq Body Counter is still active and needs to reach 500,000 in a big hurry. Your imiginations about Niger can be posted by hitting the "Publish" key where we can all laugh at you there. Right now, we're here to laugh at the Iraq Body Count still adding em up and the slealth still dropping bombs 3 weeks after the conflict has ended on this string.

I wonder who pays these indymedia boardops...

Hey, I've been logged on here a little over 30 minutes. This counter needed to be up to around 5,000-6,000 dead by now if it's going to get to the required 500,000 by Christmas.

It seems as though you fascists have a different definition of the word "truth." To learn the definition of "truth" in the REAL world, just look it up in a dictionary.

>To learn the definition of "truth" in the REAL world, just look it up in a dictionary.

truth (n) - The opposite of what any leftist/anarchists on Indymedia believes it to be.

So, if I decide to become a conservative, I can change the definitions of any words I want? Wow, you guys don't have to think or anything.

So when's this counter going to get to the required 500,000? Light a fire underneath it. Time's a wastin'.

Nah, I'll get it to 500,000 real quick. Just let those Iraqi towelheads keep protesting. We'll gun 'em ALL down next time.

That 500,000 didn't die is not what was important. Facts have nothing to do with being a liberal. It's that we FEEL bad that their MIGHT have been 500,000 that could have died. That's the point.

We conservatives never even HAVE a point. We just like to make fools out of ourselves. Just ask Michael Savage.

Gee, sorry to disappoint you....but look at the bright side, we are shooting innocent children every day, so we are doing are best to reach that unattainable 500K goal....one child at a time!

If you throw stones at soldiers you are not innocent. Just stupid.

There's a typical conservative for ya. If children throw stones, they get the death penalty.

Children can throw stones to their hearts' content.

If you decide to throw stones with the intention of injuring or killing an American soldier, you can expect that they will respond in a manner which will discourage such behavior.

And I don't see any children in the photographs here:

http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/54744_comment.php#54917

Teens? Yes. Young and old men? Yes. Children? Nope.

Wow. I didn't know that a stone thrown by a mere child from 50 yards away could kill someone. Besides the laws of physics, what other laws are you rewriting?

First point:

I challenge you to find me a 'child' throwing a stone in any of the four photographs.

Second point:

Yes, even a child can kill someone with a stone. This is not against the law of pysics nor any other natural law.

But you miss the point. A mob which takes to throwing stones is a terrifying thing. The anonymity afforded by the crowd encourages more and more violent behavior once violence begins. A single soldier would not be hit by a 'child' with a single stone. Instead, dozens or hundreds of projectiles - of all sizes and thrown by people of all ages - rain down on the soldiers. If a driver panics, and a passenger in the back of a HMMWV were to fall out and be stunned, what do you think the crowd would do to him?

The answer to the question is that they would tear him limb from limb. Hence his use of deadly force to disperse the stone-throwers is justified.

These provocateurs throw stones because that's all they have. But maybe that's not all they have. Yesterday medical personnel who attempted to attend to the wounded were shot at. Today a number of assualt weapons were recovered.

I'm turning in my grave, Simon.

So, Sir Isaac, you believe that a stone is incapable of injuring a human being? Fascinating.

And you were widely considered the most brilliant mathematical mind. Such a shame.

Stoning is still used as a method of capital punishment in some charming Islamic countries. The Roman Empire was once threatened by Hannibal's Carthaginians who once employed a number of mercinaries from the Balearic Islands. These men were experts in the use of the sling. With these stone-throwing implements they killed many men.

Oh, and there's always that story about David and Goliath.

"So, Sir Isaac, you believe that a stone is incapable of injuring a human being?"

Not when it is thrown by a child over 50 yards away. Please read more, son.

My dear Sir Isaac, I have repeatedly dispelled the myth of these 'children'. There are no 'children' in the pictures - perhaps you could point one out to me.

Furthermore, as I have already explained, it wouldn't be the case of a single child throwing a single stone, but rather a number of people throwing stones and other objects of all sizes.

I'm surprised you would criticize me for not reading enough, when I laid out these exact points above and you seem not to have seen them.

I guess being dead for 275 years will take it's toll on your intellectual faculties.

"I guess being dead for 275 years will take it's toll on your intellectual faculties."

It's "ITS", you idiot. I guess stupidity has taken its toll on YOUR intellectual faculties. AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The methodology is quite well documented on their web site.

Iraq is not the United States. They have had a bit of a problem with their communications infrastructure, as it all got blown up. (It was on TV.) Presumably, it takes a long time to get good info out of some of the more isolated bomb zones. You can't call around on your cell phone to see who died in every hospital in the country last night.

Another busy day. Almost 60 Iraqis dropped today according to the infallible and surely trustworthy counter.

By the way, when does the count end? Does it just go on counting deaths ad infinitum and laying the blame at our door?

Just wondering.

Do deaths in traffic accidents count towards the total?

Or murders committed by one Iraqi against another?

You are saying that the comminication network is to blame for delays in the death count? How does that work? Is there an Iraq Death Count central office in Iraq? Do they utilize couriers to count the dead? Do they verify the claims? It's all rather curious.

And you guys are WAAAAYYYYY short of half a million. You're going to need an earthquake or a flood. Of course those naturally-occuring phenomena are the fault of the US as well.

Simon, please change my diaper.

What's going on with this thing.

It's shot up again for no apparent reason.

here's the deal.

Obviously this counter is utterly bogus.

No one disagrees with that. (At least no sensible person does).

That being the case, it's fair to assume that the total is over inflated in order to push the agenda of the counter's authors. It behooves them to have a HIGH count. After all. They'd love to see thousands and thousands killed since then they wouldn't have so mush mud on their faces.



Conclusion. The counter's total needs to be reduced by , oh, a factor of 4 or 5. That's a fair assessment of the amount of lying and misinformation that goes into this site. SO. 2700/5 = 540 dead.

540!



NOT HALF BAD!

You sound like an unabashed zionist. You would definately like my site. Stop on by!

www.kobehq.com

Fascist Fresca.....

You ever been in the military?

Didnt think so.

Ever been into a combat zone?

Didnt think so.

Your whole concept of the world comes from watching

Fox news and

by

jacking off to Playgirl magazine

Please post other relavant links

substantiating your 4/5 ration

for the readers here.

on second thought.

Are you claiming that Arab / Palestinians are 4/5 of a person?

You are a fascist piece of trash

And just what is wrong with Fox News? Bill O'Reilly is god. The sooner you realize that, the better.

"Please post other relavant links

substantiating your 4/5 ration

for the readers here.

on second thought.

Are you claiming that Arab / Palestinians are 4/5 of a person?

You are a fascist piece of trash

"

What the hell are you going on about now?

You're tongue drags your fat cracker ass through hell with a mind of it's own.

First of all what is all this 4/5 business you speak of?

Might you be referring to my divisor of 4 OR 5?

And just how have you snuck in a reference to the "palestinians"?

I think you're decaying as we speak.

Maybe you should go burn a cross and clear your head.

Are youi coming to the KKK rally tomorrow night? If so, be sure to bring some marshmallows for the cross burning!

I guess I'll check it out. Systemfailure is going and he's invited me.

Naaaaah. We don't allow liberals at the rallys. Only us good ole boy conservatives. Strom will be there!

They should of fed all those dead Iraqis to the lions. Ya Know. Who cares about the stupid body count. We WON. NOw they can be our submissive little slaves. I think I will try to purchase one of the Iraqis on E-Bay, I need a lawnman,.,.,.,.,

Sounds like a great plan, nobody.

I also need a pool boy, maid, errand boy, and my lawnman. What's that gonna cost me?

Where were you last night? It was fun being you. Alot of these idiots don't like you.

Another reason to like Fox News.

The FOX news offices in New York City have been the frequent site of war protests during the last 6 months.

The following is a sample of the electronic crawls (big LED sign on the front of their building) that the Fox News Network ran outside of their New York headquarters during these anti-war protests.

1. "Does anyone here have a job?"

2. "The cleverest sign wins a weeks free vacation in Baghdad"

3. "CNN Agrees with you. They're two blocks west, and they have Doughnuts!

4. "Who won your freedom to protest....Protesters, Actors or Soldiers?"

5. "War Protesters Audition Here Today....Thank You For Coming. Try to Look Scruffy"

6. "Attention Protesters: The Michael Moore Fan Club meets on Thursdays at the Phone Booth On 6th and 50th"

7. "Yell As Loud as You Want; We're still Not Hiring Phil Donahue"

Alot of these smart people don't like me. Please hack and spam my website!

www.kobehq.com

Fox News fux the facts. it wasn't protesters it wasn't actors' it wasn't soldiers-it was them ole dumbfuk FARMERS-that's a plow in his left hand.

Try to expose the subversive acts of Zionism or American neocon nationalism.

the right wing "smear" process

1--Cry "Anti-Semitism" or "Anti-American"

2---Ignore the charges (hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution)

3----If the information starts to reach too many people

Ridicule the information.



4-----If that dosent work---the next step is Character assassination

5-----Fabricate a scandal to further discredit the spreader of information

6----Resort to physical attacks

They will NEVER try to prove the argument WRONG

Because it would be looked upon as a challenge

and hense have to follow the rules of logical debate.

God loves Christians, Jews, and Moslems alike

God hates Nazis, ZIonists, and Militant Islam.

Hi. I’m false stereotypeman.

There are so many leftists at this site who have formed false preconceptions regarding what conservatives believe. Like Don Quixote, they take this false foundation and build their own strawman whom they valiantly fight against in their imaginary battle. Well, no more. I’m the embodiment of everything they wrongly believe and am here to lend credence and to confirm all their preconceived and unfounded presumptions. I am…….

false stereotypeman

Conservatives use subversive acts in order to "smear". Among them are to cry "Anti-Semitism" or "Anti-American"; ignore the charges (hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution); if the information starts to reach too many people

ridicule the information; if that dosent work---the next step is character assassination; fabricate a scandal to further discredit the spreader of information; and resort to physical attacks

We will NEVER try to prove the argument WRONG

Because it would be looked upon as a challenge

and hense have to follow the rules of logical debate. This is how we operate. I am......

false stereotypeman

Hi. I’m false stereotypeman.

There are so many conservatives at this site who have formed false preconceptions regarding what liberals believe. Like Don Quixote, they take this false foundation and build their own strawman whom they valiantly fight against in their imaginary battle. Well, no more. I’m the embodiment of everything they wrongly believe and am here to lend credence and to confirm all their preconceived and unfounded presumptions. I am…….

false stereotypeman

Hey, what's up with the body counter?

It's been stuck on 2706 for two days now.

Did no one die in Iraq in the last two days? I thought we were going to see famine, pestilence, you know, the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

I thought we were committing Genocide. Where's Robert Fisk these days?

Quick, somebody shoot an Iraqi. I want to see if this counter is stuck or something.

Okay! How many do you want dead? We'll make it look like an accident.

Hey, it's still stuck on 2706.

Somebody tap on the glass. Or rock it. But be careful, don't tilt it.

Alright, Simon. We'll just shoot some more Iraqi protestors.

I got in touch with the people at iraqbodycount.net who put this thing up and they cleared it all up for me.

First of all they admit that the MAX number is probably quite substantially inflated.

But the real kicker is that they said the total reflects ALL deaths of civilians in Iraq AND Afganistan AND "palestine" and for some reason San Francisco as well.

Alot of these deaths were the result of US military actions but they say they also count deaths of people who "probably" would have someday died in a war with the US.

Evidently it's a pretty sophisticated formula but now I feel much better about it.

Amazing!

Somehow the body counter just jumped by 2000 in the last few days.

Hmmm. The site says those deaths are from "hospitals".

2000.

Still more reason to trust implicitly in the validity of this counter in particular and the anti-American crowd in general.

Good stuff!

LOL!

Don't worry, fresca. We'll just shoot some more Iraqi protestors. I'm sure you'll like that.

Up by 2000! Wow.

You people are pantomimes of idiots.

One wonders if you believe your own lies.

You believe MY lies, don't you?

Only we liberals believe that Bush lies, and who cares what we think.

I posted the above comment. Aren't I clever?

I am KOBE SBM. Vote for me.

I'm really an uneducated neocon with his head up his flabby ass.

According to our records Dennis Kucinich *is* KOBE SBM. Who knew!! Welcome aboard Dennis.

Have you stopped molesting little boys, KOBE HQ?

Of course not. All we liberals are honarary members of NAMBLA.

That's odd. When I became a member of NAMBLA, they told me that they only let neocons in.

Neocons is a code word for liberals. Neocons don't really exist. We just made it up to try and confuse the population into believing we liberals have a goddamned clue about anything. We're as dumb as fucking rocks.

BYE

I was the first neocon. Now kindly change my diaper.

Bush lies. he claims he' is a good Christian but in fact he has inappropriate relations with sheep in his backyard.

Another 500 body jump!

Holy crap. Are we just mowing those Iraqis down, or what?

During the entire 5 week campaign, we only got a maximum of 2706. Now that the war's over we've been killing them at a hellacious clip.

I haven't heard anything about thousands of Iraqis gunned down by redneck, racist Amerikkkan soldiers, but then, we can't trust the thousands of reporters in Iraq to tell us the truth, now can we?

Iraq Body Counter is full of excrement.

Perhaps the idiots running it should start the "Unearthed Iraqi Atrocity Counter".

You know, an up-to-the-minute accounting of all the tens of thousands of innocents murdered by the Hussein regime that are being dug up daily.

You know, the people the Left doesn't give a fiddler's fart about.

I got in touch with the people at iraqbodycount.net who put this thing up and they cleared it all up for me.

First of all they admit that the MAX number is probably quite substantially inflated.

But the real kicker is that they said the total reflects ALL deaths of civilians in Iraq AND Afganistan AND "palestine" and for some reason San Francisco as well.

Alot of these deaths were the result of US military actions but they say they also count deaths of people who "probably" would have someday died in a war with the US.

Evidently it's a pretty sophisticated formula but now I feel much better about it.

...for the Trotskyite Right.

Kristol, Horrorwitz et. al. all come from Trotskyite backgrounds.

They believe in the rule of arms only. They are anti-freedom, anti-Constitution, and are apologists for some of the worst policies to come along.

Sorry, but I'm much too simpleminded to understand your post.

Up by 200 again!

Wow!

That must've been a hell of a traffic accident.

I didn't hear of any staged 'protests' against the United States which went awry.

Do you think these two hundred are the first batch of Iraqis to be run through our new Mattel Genocide-o-matic?

Iraq Body Counter and Adam Ant: Desperate but not serious.

Don't worry, Simon. We'll just shoot some more Iraqi protestors. I'm sure you'll like that.

thanx stephen

Up by another 500 today. Wow.

I tried to get a historical reference from these people, but they haven't responded to repeated e-mails.

Pad away boys. The death toll stands 4000 higher today than at the end of the conflict. But don't let a little thing like truth bother you zealots.

Iraq Body Counter: It just FEELS better than the truth.

On May 6th, the body count stood at 2706.

Today, May 23rd, the body count stands at 6942.

That's a jump of 4200 AFTER the fighting stopped.

The large scale fighting stopped before May 1st.

I haven't heard of 4,000 Iraqis dying reported in ANY media.

The Iraq Body Counter is a fraud. And it is a fraud brought to you by the same pack of idiotarians who drove a double-decker bus to defend Saddam Hussein.

Don't worry, Simon. We'll just shoot some more Iraqi protestors. I'm sure you'll like that.

If you hate Muslims and niggers as much as we do, visit our website.

It just keeps shooting up and up...with no more verification on the site.

I guess we'll be responsible for every Mid East death from now on.

If you visit it's webpage, the thing has a noticable anti-war slant to it anyway, which by default makes it less media and more propaganda.

What I find amusing is the constant references to how "war has become a video game" by the anti-war types, then here they are with a high score counter.

Does something happen if it reaches 10k?

Oh - I know. There's a final boss fight, right?

you are all a bunch of sick fucks! i t scarey to think that there are people like you out there.

dont bother writing a response cause i'm not coming back to this site.

Of course I work. I own my own buisness and have for over a decade now. In fact, I'm getting paid at the same time I'm typing in this insult to you. Watch:

"You're a dumbass."

$$Cha-Ching!$$

They must have forgot to add Uday and Qusay to the body counter yesterday.