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Would the US Plant WMD’s – A Stroll Down Memory Lane

by naw, they wouldn't do that Tuesday, Apr. 29, 2003 at 5:24 PM

This article by ex-CIA officials discusses the question of US vs UN inspection teams looking for the notorious weapons of mass destruction. Also addresses the question of 'would the US plant evidence?......

Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:46:28 -0700
Forwarded fromTopanga Peace Alliance <tpa@lists.riseup.net>
Subject: Would the US plant evidence?

Hi friends,

This article by ex-CIA officials discusses the question of US vs UN inspection teams looking for the notorious weapons of mass destruction. Also addresses the question of "would the US plant evidence?" and gives a history with specifics of this having happened before - in Central America, Viet Nam & Cambodia, and Cuba; and to justify the first Gulf War. A long (if you read the chronology of faked evidence) but good read with many facts you may want to have at your disposal.

Peace,
TPA

Published on Friday, April 25, 2003 by CommonDreams.org

Ex-CIA Professionals:
Weapons of Mass Distraction: Where? Find? Plant?

by David MacMichael and Ray McGovern

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MEMORANDUM

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

SUBJECT: The Stakes in the Search for Weapons of Mass Destruction

The Bush administration's refusal to allow UN inspectors to join the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in US-occupied Iraq has elicited high
interest in foreign news media. The most widely accepted interpretation is that the US is well aware that evidence regarding the existence and location
of such weapons is "shaky" (the adjective now favored by UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix), and that the last thing the Pentagon wants is to have Blix's inspectors looking over the shoulders of US forces as they continue their daunting quest.

Administration leaders will not soon forgive Blix or Mohamed ElBaradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, for exposing to
ridicule the two main pieces of "evidence" adduced by Washington late last year to support its contention that Iraq had reconstituted its nuclear weapons development program: (1) the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium from Niger, and (2) the high strength
aluminum rods sought by Iraq that the US insisted were to be used in a nuclear application. That contention was roundly debunked not only by IAEA
scientists but also by the international engineering community.

The normally taciturn Blix now finds it "conspicuous" that a month after the invasion of Iraq, the US search for weapons of mass destruction had turned up nothing. He expressed eagerness to send UN inspectors back into Iraq, but also served notice that he would not allow them to be led "like dogs on a
leash" by US forces there.

The media have raised the possibility that the US might "plant" weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that this may be another reason to keep UN
inspectors out. This is a charge of such seriousness that we Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity have been conducting an informal colloquium on the issue. As one might expect, there is no unanimity among us on the likelihood of such planting, but most believe that Washington would consider it far too risky. Those holding this view add that recent polls suggest most Americans will not be very critical of the Bush
administration even if no weapons of mass destruction are found.

Others, taken aback by the in the in-your-face attitude with which Secretary of State Colin Powell reacted both to the exposure of the Niger forgery and to the requiem for the argument from aluminum rods, see in that attitude a sign that the Bush administration would not necessarily let the risk of disclosure deter it from planting weapons. They also point to the predicament facing the Blair government in Great Britain and other
coalition partners, if no such weapons are found in Iraq. They note that the press in the UK has been more independent and vigilant than its US counterpart, and thus the British people are generally better informed and more skeptical of their government than US citizens tend to be.

While the odds of such planting seem less than even, speculation on the possibility drove us down memory lane. Likely or not in present circumstances, there is ample precedent for such covert action operations.
VIPS member David MacMichael authored this short case-study paper to throw light on this little known subject. What leaps out of his review is a reminder that, were the Bush administration to decide in favor of a planting or similar operation, it would not have to start from scratch as far as experience is concerned. Moreover, many of the historical examples that
follow bear an uncanny resemblance to factors and circumstances in play today.

* * *

1. Faked evidence was a hallmark of post-World War II US covert operations in Latin America. In 1954, for example, it was instrumental in overthrowing
the Arbenz government in Guatemala. Arbenz, who was suspected of having Communist leanings, had tried to make the United Fruit Company comply with
Guatemalan law. At President Dwight D. Eisenhower's direction, the CIA organized and armed a force of malcontent Guatemalans living in Nicaragua to invade their home country.

The invasion was explained and "justified" when a cache of Soviet-made weapons planted by the CIA was "discovered" on Nicaragua's Atlantic coast.
Washington alleged that the weapons were intended to support an attempt by Arbenz to overthrow the Nicaraguan government.

2. One of the more egregious and embarrassing uses of fake material evidence occurred on the eve of the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961, when Alabama National
Guard B-26 bombers attacked a Cuban Air Force base in Havana. When Cuba's UN ambassador protested, US Ambassador Adlai Stevenson (himself misinformed by the White House) insisted that the attacking planes were those of defecting
Cuban Air Force pilots.

Two of the aircraft were shot down in Cuba, however, and others were forced to land in Miami where they could be examined. When it became clear that
the planes were not Cuban, Washington's hand was shown and Stevenson was in high dudgeon.

Legends, however, seem to die more slowly than dudgeon. The US government clung unconscionably long to "plausible denial" regarding the B-26s. Four
Alabama National Guardsmen had been killed in the incident and Cuba kept trying to get the US to accept their bodies. Not until 1978 did Washington agree to receive the remains and give them to the families of the deceased.

3. The war in Vietnam is replete with examples of fabrication and/or misrepresentation of intelligence to justify US government policies and actions. The best-known case, of course, is the infamous Tonkin Gulf
incident, the one that did not happen but was used by President Lyndon Johnson to strong-arm Congress into giving him carte blanche for the war.
Adding insult to injury, CIA current intelligence analysts were forbidden to report accurately on what had happened (and not happened) in the Tonkin Gulf
in their daily publication the next morning, on grounds that the President had already decided to use the non-incident to justify launching the air war that very day. The analysts were aghast when their seniors explained that they had decided that they did not want to "wear out their welcome at the White House."

More directly relevant to the current search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is the following incident, which was related to the author at the
time by one of the main participants. US officials running the war in Vietnam believed that North Vietnamese Communist troops operating in South
Vietnam were supported by large, secret supply dumps across the border in Cambodia. In 1968, the US military in Saigon drew up plans to raid one of
those suspected supply bases.

The colonel in charge of logistics for the raid surprised other members of the raiding party by loading up large amounts of North Vietnamese uniforms, weapons, communications equipment, and so forth. He clearly had supplementary orders. He explained to the members of his team that, since it would be necessary to discover North Vietnamese supplies to justify the incursion into neutral Cambodia, it behooved them to be prepared to carry some back.

4. With William Casey at the helm of the CIA during the Reagan presidency, the planting of evidence to demonstrate that opponents of governments in Central America were sponsored by the USSR reached new heights'or depths. The following are representative examples:

(a) In January 1981 four dugout canoes were "discovered" on a Salvadoran beach. The US claimed that the boats had carried 100 armed Sandinista guerrillas from Nicaragua to support leftist insurgents in El Salvador. Neither weapons nor Nicaraguans traceable to the boats were ever found,
but Washington drew attention to the fact that the wood from which the boats were made was not native to El Salvador.

This kind of "proof" might at first seem laughable but this was no trivial matter. The Reagan administration successfully used the incident to justify lifting the embargo on US arms to El Salvador that President Carter had imposed after members of the Salvadoran National Guard raped and murdered three US nuns and their lay assistant. The names of those four women now sit atop a long list of Americans and Salvadorans subsequently murdered by US
weapons in the hands of the National Guard in El Salvador.

(b) In February 1981, the State Department issued a sensational "White" Paper" based on alleged Salvadoran rebel documents. Authored by a young,
eager-to-please Foreign Service officer named John Glassman, the paper depicted damning links between the insurgents, Nicaragua, Cuba, and the Soviet Union. A smoking gun. Unfortunately for Glassman and the Reagan administration, Wall Street
Journal reporter Jonathan Kwitny got access to the same documents and found little resemblance to what was contained in Glassman's paper. Glassman
admitted to Kwitny that he had made up quotes and guessed at figures for the Soviet weapons supposedly coming to the Salvadoran insurgents.

(c) Certainly among the most extraordinary attempts to plant evidence was the Barry Seal affair a complicated operation designed to incriminate the Nicaraguan Sandinista government for international drug trafficking. The operation began in 1982, when CIA Director Casey created the position of National Intelligence Officer for Narcotics. Casey's handpicked NIO wasted no time telling representatives of other agencies that high priority was to be given to finding evidence linking both Castro and the Sandinistas to
the burgeoning cocaine trade.

Coast Guard and Drug Enforcement Agency officers protested that this might be counterproductive since Cuba was the most cooperative government in the
Caribbean in the fight against drugs and there was no evidence showing that the Nicaraguan government played any significant role. Never mind, said
the NIO, the task was to put black hats on our enemies.

In 1986 Barry Seal, a former TWA pilot who had trained Nicaraguan Contra pilots in the early eighties, was facing a long sentence after a federal drug conviction in Florida. Seal made his way to the White House's
National Security Council to make the following proposition to officials there. He would fly his own plane to Colombia and take delivery of cocaine. He would then make an "emergency landing" in Nicaragua and make it appear that Sandinista officials were aiding him in drug trafficking.

Seal made it clear that he would expect help with his legal problems. The Reagan White House jumped at the offer. Seal's plane was flown to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where it was fitted with secret cameras
to enable Seal to photograph Nicaraguan officials in the act of assisting him with the boxes of cocaine.

The operation went as planned. Seal flew to Colombia and then to Nicaragua where he landed at a commercial airfield. There he was met by a Nicaraguan named Federico Vaughan, who helped with the offloading and reloading of boxes of cocaine and was duly photographed, not very well, it turned out,
because the special cameras malfunctioned. Though blurred and grainy, the photos were delivered to the White House, and a triumphant Ronald Reagan
went on national TV to show that the Sandinistas were not only Communists but also criminals intent on addicting America's youth. What more justification was needed for the Contra war against the Sandinistas!

Again, the Wall Street Journal's Jonathan Kwitny played the role of skunk at the picnic, pointing out substantial flaws in the concocted story. Vaughan,
who according to the script was an assistant to Nicaraguan Interior Minister Tomas Borge, was shown not to be what he claimed. Indeed, congressional investigators found that the telephone number called by Seal to contact Vaughn belonged to the US embassy in Managua.

It was yet another fiasco, and Seal paid for it with his life. His Colombian drug suppliers were not amused when the Reagan administration identified him
publicly as a US undercover agent. As he awaited trial on other narcotics charges in Louisiana, Seal was ambushed and killed by four gunmen who left
his body riddled with 140 bullets.

5. Fabricated evidence also played an important role in the first President Bush's attempt to secure congressional and UN approval for the 1991 Gulf
War.

(a) Few will forget the heart-rending testimony before a congressional
committee by the sobbing 15 year-old Kuwaiti girl called Nayirah on October 10, 1990:

"I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where 15 babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."

No congressperson, no journalist took the trouble to probe the identity of "Nayirah," who was said to be an escapee from Kuwait but was later revealed
to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington. With consummate
skill, the story had been manufactured out of whole cloth and the 15 year-old coached by the PR firm Hill & Knowlton, which has a rich history of being "imbedded" in Republican administrations. Similar unsubstantiated yarns made their debut several weeks later at the UN, where a team of
seven "witnesses," also coached by Hill & Knowlton, testified about atrocities in Iraq. (It was later learned that the seven had used false names.) And in an
unprecedented move, the UN Security Council allowed the US to show a video created by Hill & Knowlton.

All to good effect. The PR campaign had the desired impact, and Congress voted to authorize the use of force against Iraq on January 12, 1991. (The UN did so on November 29, 1990.) "Nayirah's" true identity did not become known until two years later. And Hill & Knowlton's coffers bulged when the proceeds arrived from its billing of Kuwait.

Interestingly, the General Manager of Hill & Knowlton's Washington, DC office at the time was a woman named Victoria Clarke. She turned out to be less successful in her next job, as Press Secretary for the re-election campaign of President George Bush in 1992. But she is now back in her element as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs.

(b) There was a corollary fabrication that proved equally effective in garnering support in Congress for the war resolution in 1991. The White House claimed there were satellite photos showing Iraqi tanks and troops massing on the borders of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, threatening to invade Saudi Arabia. This fueled the campaign for war and frightened the Saudis
into agreeing to cooperate fully with US military forces.

On September 11, 1990, President George H. W. Bush, addressing a joint session of Congress, claimed "120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks have
poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia." But an enterprising journalist, Jean Heller, reported in the St. Petersburg Times on January 6, 1991 (a bare ten days before the Gulf War began) that
commercial satellite photos taken on September 11, the day the president spoke, showed no sign of a massive buildup of Iraqi forces in Kuwait. When
the Pentagon was asked to provide evidence to support the president's claim, it refused to do so,and continues to refuse to this day.

Interestingly, the national media in the US chose to ignore Heller's story.
Heller's explanation:

"I think part of the reason the story was ignored was that it was published too close to the start of the war. Second, and more importantly, I do not think that people wanted to hear that we might have been deceived. A lot of the reporters who have seen the story think it is dynamite, but the editors
seem to have the attitude, At this point, who cares'"

Does some of this have a familiar ring?
/s/
Richard Beske, San Diego
Kathleen McGrath Christison, Santa Fe
William Christison, Santa Fe
Patrick Eddington, Alexandria, VA
Raymond McGovern, Arlington, VA

Steering Group
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) is a coast-to-coast
enterprise; mostly intelligence officers from analysis side of CIA. Ray McGovern (rmcgovern@slschool.org) worked as a CIA analyst for 27 years. He
co-authored this article with David MacMichael.
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Well what are they waiting for

by Tariq Tuesday, Apr. 29, 2003 at 9:23 PM

If the US is just going to plant these weapons, why are they waiting so long???

Why didn't they just find a bunch of barrels the first day and get it over with?

Why go through this pretext of looking high and low. . . letting the pressure to find them mount. . . letting people start to have doubts? That delay just feeds into the "plant" theory!
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its too late

by mkj Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 5:40 AM

had the us planted the damn things in the beggining it would have been beilevable but now after a monthe its too late even if they did find real chemicals all the people would say they were planted because they should have found them a long time ago

peace out ppplz
mkj
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Notice Psymon's Technique

by Diogenes Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 6:11 AM

A rather sophisticated form of the Straw Man tactic: Pick a point in your opponents argument, misrepresent it, destroy the misrepresentation, and then act as though that discredits the entire argument.

This is a common shill/disinfo tactic. You'll see it pop up frequently in the Bush Junta since the truth is their enemy - as well as Psymon's.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 6:31 AM

You are not making a valid counterargument Dio.

The author is making the assertion that the US government is likely to fabricate evidence since it supposedly has such a long history of doing so.

The author, in support of his premise, provides the example of the Bay of Pigs as evidence of this history of fabrication.

The author is shown to be incorrect. The planes at the Bay of Pigs is not an example of the American government fabricating evidence.

I would be glad to provide more examples if you'd like.

For instance: The relationship between the Sandanistas and the El Salvadoran guerillas. The author would have you believe that the dugout canoes produced by the CIA were the one and only connection between these two groups. This is an example of astounding willful ignorance. The author also makes it clear that he does not believe that the Sandanistas were supplied with weapons by the Cubans and the Soviet Union. Again, a laughable detachment from reality.

If there is no connection between the El Salvadoran Guerrillas and the Sandanistas, then how come once the Sandanistas were crushed in free elections the El Salvadoran 'freedom fighters' dried up and disappeared? Did El Salvador adopt a more 'progressive' government without my hearing about it? Did they acknowledge the terrorists' demands and thus bring the conflict to a just and equitable conclusion?

NOPE.

The filthy Communist terrorists gave up because their funding and supply channels dried up. They couldn't continue their little war on hate alone - they needed the bullets supplied by Nicaragua, Cuba, and Russia. They were abandoned and either gave up or were killed.

Canoes. Classic.
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Simple is as simple was

by Parmendies Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 6:39 AM

Simpleton for you to equate a small rebel army with the secret police (and thier fascist thugs and death squads) of the richest nation on the planet is ludicrous. You truly have no understanding of how the secret arm of our govt. works.

But that is how your masters want you.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 7:08 AM

Would anyone here be willing to give me a golden shower?
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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 7:25 AM

I'm not equating anyone to anyone.

I am disproving the authors premise.

Point by point.

Successfully.
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wow

by Parmenides Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 7:34 AM

The depths of your dysfunction are to deep to plumb.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 7:36 AM

You would have problems plumbing the the depths of a puddle.
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Returning to the original...

by Diogenes Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 8:28 AM

...question posed by this thread: Would the Bush Junta plant evidence of WMDs® to justify the conquest?

Did Colin Powell lie to the entire U.N.?

Did the U.S. and Britain Cite clear forgeries to bolster their case?

Would they drop a throwaway piece to justify all the killing?

Yes, sure, you betcha', damn straight, absofuckinlutely.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 8:29 AM

Fido: "The author also makes it clear that he does not believe that the Sandanistas were supplied with weapons by the Cubans and the Soviet Union. Again, a laughable detachment from reality. "

Nope. Missed it AGAIN. You are the worst fuckin' liar I have ever read. The author claims that evidence was manufactured. It was. If there was such overwhelming factual evidence, why did the US manufacture it (oh, but that never happens, the Sandinistas DID have MIGS, the Gulf of Tonkin attack DID happen, and those really WERE Cuban airplanes...and those Iraqi WMD, they're there, really REALLY....).

Nicaraguan "Free" elections, huh...vote this way or we kill your children, maybe the Democrats could try that in '04...and you would defend the practice, of course....

Fuckin' half-wit....you a a dispicable doggie...
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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 9:51 AM

KPC

I'm trying to decipher what you are attempting to say but the point seems to be lost amongst all the excrement that finds it's way from your (small) mind through your (hairy) palms, into your (dick-beating) fingers and onto the keyboard.

Are you trying to say the El Salvadoran rebels were NOT materially supported by the Sandanistas? Or Cuba? Or Russia?

Are you trying to deny that the Sandanistas themselves were a Soviet client? Oh, and one which attempted a real genocide - against the Mosquito Indians?

You cannot be THIS stupid. Stupid? Yes, obviously. But not THIS stupid.
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Mr. Simple Simon

by Sammy Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 9:54 AM

Simon, I'd be more than willing to give you a golden shower. Just post your email address.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 12:54 PM

Fido, my doggie dearest....let me tell you what I am saying...THE US HAS A SORDID HISTORY OF MANUFACTURING EVIDENCE! From the Maine to those aluminim cylinders...

Got that? Now, if you CAN...try addressing that point.

No, on second thought, just get my slippers and paper, doggie...

...fuckin' dingleberry....
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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 1:57 PM

The fact that the United States has engaged in covert or clandestine activities - including disinformation is not the point. The point is that none of the examples provided by the author above demonstrate fabrication of evidence. Deception, yes. Fabrication - no.

Now to the specific point at hand: Nicaragua and the Sandanista support for the El Salvadoran rebels.

Why don't you clearly explain your position concerning the relationship between the two groups?

This should be amusing.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Wednesday, Apr. 30, 2003 at 2:09 PM

REALLY Fido? I thought this thread was titled "Would the US Plant WMD’s – A Stroll Down Memory Lane" . None of the point points demonstrate fabrication? REEEAAALY?

How about this under the first listing;

"The invasion was explained and "justified" when a cache of Soviet-made weapons planted by the CIA was "discovered" on Nicaragua's Atlantic coast.
Washington alleged that the weapons were intended to support an attempt by Arbenz to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. "

Sounds like a fabrication of evidence to me?

Oh, that's right, doggies can't read.

...and later with your three card monte game, fuckin' bulletbrain....
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 7:56 AM

It's so fun kicking your butt, KPC.

The author uses language rather haphazardly. Above he claims that the United States decided to overthrow Arbenz because Arbenz attempted to make the United Fruit Company comply with Guatemalan law.

Horsecrap.

Arbaenz NATIONALIZED (ie- stole) 500,000 acres of land owned by the UFC. In return the UFC got? Bumpkis.

Now there is no question that the CIA was actively involved in the overthrow of Arbenz. But the 'deception' that the author refers to (the arms cache) is not an accurate representation of the historical facts.

In fact, the Guatemalan government had, on May 17th, 1953 received a large shipment of arms from Czechoslovakia which were transported aboard the Swedish freighter "Alfhem". This shipment included machineguns and artillery.

This shipment came less than two months after the conclusion of the Caracas summit. At this summit, the United States and sixteen other Central and South American states voted for a resolution that said that Communism was to be contained and not permitted to gain a foothold in the Western Hemisphere. The only country to vote against this measure? Guatemala.

The author that started this thread is the first to make the suggestion that the discovery of an 'arms cache' was the catalyst which permitted the United States to start the overthrow of Arbenz. The truth is that the United States had been actively engaged in his overthow since 1952.

To recap: There was no 'arms cache'. And it was not fabricated by the CIA. There WAS a shipment of Communist artillery and machineguns which was arranged by the Arbenz government and delivered on the "Alfhem".

So, again, it would appear our author is full of crap, and you are again shown to be a consumer thereof.

Having fun yet, KPC?
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 8:05 AM

Oh, and do you know where Arbenz fled to when he stepped down as President?

Czechoslovakia.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:13 PM

Fido, the queen is right here;

""The invasion was explained and "justified" when a cache of Soviet-made weapons planted by the CIA was "discovered" on Nicaragua's Atlantic coast.
Washington alleged that the weapons were intended to support an attempt by Arbenz to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. "

He said that the US planted evidence. We did. End of fuckin story...

don't you have some cars to chase or balls to lick or something?

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:15 PM

Fido: "Arbenz....stepped down as President?"

...yeah, just like Allende "stepped down"...

...fuckin' toejam....
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:18 PM

OH MY GOD...Guatemala bought WEAPONS???

They had no right....! Unless, of course, they bought them from US....

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:25 PM

...Fido, so we overthrew the government of a country because they stole from Chaquita?

Fuck 'em! I and most Americans could give a rat's ass about Chaquita...but not Alan Dulles...nope...he CARED!
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Look how reactive KPC was to Simon's post!

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:46 PM

Looks like Simon struck a chord (or two, or three). I wonder how many times KPC had to go back and reread before he even understood how much of an idiot Simon made of him!
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:48 PM

The above post is mine. I'm mentally unstable.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:50 PM

I really did post this.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:51 PM

No I didn't.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:51 PM

Yes I did.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:51 PM

NO I DIDN'T!!!
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:51 PM

YES I DID!!!
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:52 PM

I don't have a split personality.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:53 PM

I posted the above six comments. I'm mentally unstable.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:53 PM

yes I definately do.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:53 PM

shut up you twit.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:54 PM

I posted the above comment. I'm mentally unstable.
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I am a major model of a modern major general.

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:54 PM

no YOU shut up.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 2:55 PM

I posted the above comment. I'm mentally unstable.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Sunday, Jul. 20, 2003 at 1:54 PM

Gotta go, Rush is on.
Megadittos!
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running on MT

by MT Sunday, Jul. 20, 2003 at 2:06 PM

so run on and on and on......
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