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by C/O Diogenes
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:11 AM
Of course the Bush Junta has the Troops best interests at heart. That is why they cut the Budget for Veteran's Medical Needs.
GWI - US Troops 'Are Sick Over There Already' - Rokke Gulf War Syndrome Redux? TalkLeft.com 4-11-3 Steven Rosenfeld has a provacative article, < http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7570Gulf War Syndrome, The Sequel, over at TomPaine.com. Rosenfeld says the Pentagon failed to follow a law requiring screening of soldiers bofore and after deployment and that some soldiers already are sick. Soldiers now fighting in Iraq are being exposed to battlefield hazards that have been associated with the Gulf War Syndrome that afflicts a quarter-million veterans of the 1991 war, said a former Central Command Army officer in Operation Desert Storm. Part of the threat today includes greater exposure to battlefield byproducts of depleted uranium munitions used in combat, said the former officer and other Desert Storm veterans trained in battlefield health and safety. Complicating efforts to understand any potential health impacts is the Pentagon's failure, acknowleged in House hearings on March 25, to follow a 1997 law requiring baseline medical screening of troops before and after deployment. "People are sick over there already," said Dr. Doug Rokke, former director of the Army's depleted uranium (DU)project. "It's not just uranium. You've got all the complex organics and inorganics [compounds] that are released in those fires and detonations. And they're sucking this in.... You've got the whole toxic wasteland." More specifically, Rokke said today's troops have been fighting on land polluted with chemical, biological and radioactive weapon residue from the first Gulf War and its aftermath. In this setting, troops have been exposed not only to sandstorms, which degrade the lungs, but to oil fires and waste created by the use of uranium projectiles in tanks, aircraft, machine guns and missiles. "That's why people started getting sick right away, when they started going in months ago with respiratory, diarrhea and rashes -- horrible skin conditions," Rokke said. "That's coming back on and they have been treating them at various medical facilities. And one of the doctors at one of the major Army medical facilities -- he and I talk almost every day -- and he is madder than hell." As of May, 2002, 221,000 Gulf War I vets were on medical disability, and 56,000 more were seeking such status. In 1997, Congress passed a law, Public Law 105-85, that required each soldier to have a physical and have blood drawn before and after deployment. In congressional testimony, Pentagon officials said that they opted for a questionnaire instead of phyiscals and blood tests Former military officials say that labeling the soldiers' post-war maladies as PTSD (post-traumatic stress syndrome) may once again mask the true nature of their illnesses. When Rokke sees images of soldiers and civilians driving past burning Iraqi trucks that have been destroyed by tank fire, or soldiers or civilians inspecting buildings destroyed by missiles, and these people are not wearing respirators, he says they all risk radiation poisoning, which can have lifelong consequences. "He's going to be sick," Rokke said. "He's supposed to have full respiratory protection on. That's required by his Common Task [training manual]. And when he comes by and he's downwind, he supposed to have a radio-bio-assay. That's urine, feces and nasal swabs within 24 hours." The White House dismisses the claims. On March 18, it issued "Apparatus of Lies," a report which, among other things, attacked claims that DU fallout from Operation Desert Storm has caused higher disease rates among Iraqi citizens. Those claims were part of "Saddam's disinformation and propaganda" campaign, the White House said. http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002910.html
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by Diogenes
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:16 AM
...if the Bush Junta admitted that DU Weapons pose long term health risks to anyone exposed to their toxic dust they would then have to admit that they were in Violation of the Geneva Accords, The U.N. Charter, The Nuremberg Codes, and simple humanity.
Since civilized behavior is a foreign concept to the Bush Junta and it's supporters I will not hold my breath. If they ever admit to it it will be in a "Limited Hang-Out" Fashion.
Something like "Wa'll Glory Be I woulda' never beeleeved"...
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by Simple Simon
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:30 AM
Lies lies lies yeah - the thompson twins.
Posting to your own articles again, eh Diogenes?
Lonely in that mental ward?
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by Diogenes
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:32 AM
...it's all a Communist Plot against you personally. Now take your medication and fade back into that friendly cloudy haze. See that nice man over in the corner? He's your friend.
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by daveman
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:35 AM
Diogenes, has there been a DU scare story you haven't believed?
How come NO WHERE ELSE DU has been used is experiencing the kind of health effects Iraq claims? More DU was used in Kuwait than in iraq...yet Kuwait is reporting no higher incidences of the illnesses Iraq claims.
What's making our troops sick...if they are at all...is 3 weeks with minimal sleep and an amost constant adrenalin rush. Throw in microdoses of chem warfare chemicals, and it's no wonder people are getting sick.
Go yell "booga booga" somewhere else.
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by Diogenes
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:39 AM
...to come up with something stupid to divert. After all Dr. Doug Rokke was only THE ARMY'S expert on DU.
What does he know anyway. He's only a Lt. Col. with a P.h.D.?
Try again Cave.
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by Anastasia
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:41 AM
Most of the people I work with were active duty during the time of GW1 and in Kuwait. None of them have had lifelong effects either.
Try again.
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by daveman
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 9:44 AM
...let me repeat the question:
"How come NO WHERE ELSE DU has been used is experiencing the kind of health effects Iraq claims? "
Got answer?
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by MadMaxim
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 10:06 AM
>>He's only a Lt. Col. with a P.h.D.? All of the articles I found that referenced his rank indicate it was Major. I was unable to locate anything with Lt.Col.... FWIW. This article http://www.ratical.org/radiation/DUuse+hazard.html indicates similar conditions being reported among other populations in the USA: [Today, serious adverse health effects have been documented in employees of and residents living near Puducah, Kentucky, Portsmouth, Ohio; Los Alamos, New Mexico; Oak Ridge, Tennessee; Hanford, Washington. Additionally employees at uranium manufacturing or processing facilities in New York, Tennessee, and the four corners area of southwest Colorado have repeatedly reported adverse health effects similar to those reported by verified Gulf War DU casualties. Iraqi and other humanitarian agency physicians are reporting serious adverse health effects in exposed populations. ] If this is the case, shouldn't there be photos available -like those of the allegedly affected Iraqis - that document these conditions on the American workers cited above?
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by daveman
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 10:11 AM
...personnel at those sites are eposed to eriched uranium as well as depleted uranium.
Now, considering enriched uranium is far more radioactive than depleted uranium, does that tell anyone anything?
Bueller?
Bueller?
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by Simple Simon
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:07 PM
Hey Diogenes! Looks like your pal the DC sniper thinks he was exposed to nerve gas! Maybe you should e-mail him and tell him to push the DU exposure defense. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/04/11/sniper.hearing/index.html
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by rebbi rarnt
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:29 PM
because there are no photos of "us" workers versus iraqui /u.s. casualties of war means shit. fact is you showed the disease in the population of workers(u.s.) and that's enuff to expose the link of du-cancer related deaths and disease, at least.
kuwaiti du-problems CAN be explained similarly....if not then the argument can be made that the KUwaitis were not the target of du-weapons, obviously!!!
and the irakis were...
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by watching
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003 at 8:20 AM
For the poster denying anything harmful in the use of depleted uranium....you obviously have not even typed those two words into your browser. Your ignorance and stupidity are astonishing. I decided to do a fast browse on depleted uranium and came up with these links easily. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1135846.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1122566.stm http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml http://www.nuclearactive.org/news/012501.html NOT FOR THOSE WITH A WEAK HEART OR STOMACH! http://www.ecoglobe.org.nz/nuclear/dupict00.htm#LIST
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by Diogenes
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003 at 4:44 PM
The Kuwaitiis appear to have hired a private firm to do clean up in their territory as well. I'm still researching it so I don't have lot to bring back to the Board yet. For anyone wishing to find out for themselves there are plenty of good links on DU at a variety Sites. Here are a couple that elegantly lay out the Basics: Part 1: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/ Part 2: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/du2.html
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by daveman
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003 at 4:50 PM
I did a search on the Fox News website and nothing negative came back. Therefore, depleted uranium is perfectly safe. Thank God for Fox News!
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by damevan
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003 at 5:11 PM
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Do you believe EVERYTHING you hear from them? You cannot possibly be THAT dumb or naive!!!
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by daveman
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003 at 5:22 PM
Yes, I AM dumb and naive, for I am a conservative. Thank God for Fox News!
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