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by Mutley
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:16 AM
The lowdown on yesterday's cynical propaganda stunt...
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You can fool some of the people all of the time, You can fool all of the people some of the time, But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
--Fozzy Bear said that
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by Mutley
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:18 AM
April 6th: Iraqi National Congress founder, Ahmed Chalabi is flown into the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriyah by the Pentagon. Chalabi, along with 700 fighters of his "Free Iraqi Forces" are airlifted aboard four massive C17 military transport planes. Chalabi and the INC are Washington favorites to head the new Iraqi government. A photograph is taken of Chalabi and members of his Free Iraqi Forces militia as they arrive in Nasiriyah. April 9th: One of the "most memorable images of the war" is created when U.S. troops pull down the statue of Saddam Hussein in Fardus Square. Oddly enough... a photograph is taken of a man who bears an uncanny resemblance to one of Chalabi's militia members... he is near Fardus Square to greet the Marines. How many members of the pro-American Free Iraqi Forces were in and around Fardus Square as the statue of Saddam came tumbling down? The up close action video of the statue being destroyed is broadcast around the world as proof of a massive uprising. Still photos grabbed off of Reuters show a long-shot view of Fardus Square... it's empty save for the U.S. Marines, the International Press, and a small handful of Iraqis. There are no more than 200 people in the square at best. The Marines have the square sealed off and guarded by tanks. A U.S. mechanized vehicle is used to pull the statue of Saddam from it's base. The entire event is being hailed as an equivalent of the Berlin Wall falling... but even a quick glance of the long-shot photo shows something more akin to a carefully constructed media event tailored for the television cameras. More info on the propaganda ploy: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/17554.html#1
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by liberal
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:51 AM
I'm willing to swallow anything as long as it makes me feel better about myself as a person and can in any way hopefully damage conservatives. I anxiously await anything else you can feed me that will wake me from this nightmare of seeing this beautiful dictatorship crumble. I haven't felt this bad since the Berlin Wall came down or since the USSR crumbled. Hopefully, with all of us leftists pulling and working together, we can become like North Korea.
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by Dear Asshole Poster
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 4:01 AM
Wassa madda? Can't handle the truth. Pout, pout, pout. Poor little conservative thing. I see you made no comment on the photo.
Gee, isn't it amazing that so many of the phots from yesterday that became instant icons, were FAKES!!! I tried to tell you Freeper creeps that they were doctored, but oh, no, you assholes thought you knew better.
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by fresca
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 4:19 AM
LOL. Priceless. You guys are amazing. The lengths you'll go to deny the obvious. I do however agree that some of the photos were doctored. Did you see that botched Photoshop job on the kid withno arms. Ridiculous.
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by mymicz
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 6:29 AM
I feel bad for the people caught in the traffic jam trying to get the fuck out of there.
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by daveman
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 6:36 AM
...event tailored for the television cameras. "
Sounds like the peace protests.
Right: "Hey, look at that duck!"
Left: "No, it's not."
R: "But it quacks like a duck."
L: "No, it's not."
R: "It's got a bill and feathers like a duck."
L: "No, it's not."
R: "See? It's got duck wings and feet!"
L: "No, it's not."
R: "Well, what is it then?"
L: "It's obviously a saguaro cactus."
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by Eric
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 6:47 AM
Where was Saddam while we were jerking down his statue? Where were his elite Republican Guard troops? Where??
This was supposed to be "The Mother of all Wars" and we were supposed to find "an Iraqi soldier under every rock" and Iraq was supposed to be "a massive burial ground for the American military".
WTF? Where?
What a joke.
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by Typical Conservative
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:22 AM
It really was a massive uprising, I tell ya. That's what they said on Fox News, so it MUST be true. I swallow everything they feed me, even the bullshit.
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by daveman
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:35 AM
...the Truth with a capital "T" that you get from Baghdad Bob and AL Jazeera.
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by Eric
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:41 AM
Tell us what Americans *should* believe? The crap you idiots post on IMC? The crap they read on the internet?
Most of the TV news is slanted left anyway. Thank God for Fox News. Especially all those sexy women they have on that station! Laurie Dhue is a goddess. I love it when she tells the news. Then she always smiles that sexy, sly smile for the camera, because she knows she just did something good. Yeah baby! Give me that news Laurie! Let me fill you up with my sweet sweet propaganda! OH YEAH! Now smile for the camera! Ah YES! That's it baby. That is definately it!!
Not like that bitch that got dumped over at NBC. Stupid chink. Get the hell off my tv.
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by someone with a brain
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:51 AM
The photo of the 12 year old boy whose arms were blown off by a U.S. bomb was released by REUTERS NEWS AGENCY. Reuters is NOT in the habit of altering their photos with photoshop. Several photos of the unfortunate child were taken... and his story was published in the European Press. His story was NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the U.S., "land of the free." Any IDIOTS like you think it's all faked. Keep waving your flag buddy.
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by Typical Conservative
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:51 AM
Hey, Eric, are you coming to the KKK meeting tonight? There won't be any chinks there, so you'll feel at ease.
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by Underhill
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:55 AM
The stupidest conspiracy theory I've ever heard of. Absolutely pathetic. By the way, the photo is to the left ( no pun intended) of the side bar, not to the right.
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by kmela
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:55 AM
The libs are having to deny that the Iraqi people are singing and dancing in the streets, happy that Saddam is a goner. Oooooo. Not good for their side. And the pre-planned spin is already being implemented.
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by Great Post, Typ Con
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 7:58 AM
I have found several doctored or misleading photos and they all are coming from the pro-war side. I have yet to see a doctored photo that has come from the peace side of the argument. Man, you can put it right in there faces, in black and white, from reliable sources and they still would rather believe the spin coming out of Washington.
**BTW: When I am refering to "altered" photos, I am talking about the ones from serious news sources and not phototoons and things like this.
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by liberal
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:04 AM
>I have found several doctored or misleading photos and they all are coming from the pro-war side. I have yet to see a doctored photo that has come from the peace side of the argument.
That's because, like me, your mind was made up before events even took place. There's a name for people like us: Useful Idiots. (sniff) You make us all proud.
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by Diogenes
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:16 AM
...Brown Shirt "humanity" - disparage anyone who would offer a shred of warmth or dignity to others.
Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer. I bet he can't wait to fire up the ovens.
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by daveman
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:17 AM
...doesn't doctor photos.
Just ideas. Like Communism. Isn't that the correct A.N.S.W.E.R.?
For the visual media, they prefer poster board and magic markers...and vomit.
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by fresca
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:35 AM
"disparage anyone who would offer a shred of warmth or dignity to others."
Like our troops have offered warth, freedom and dignity to millions of Iraqis.
LOL. you walked right into that one dummy.
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by ?
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:47 AM
Diogenes, Sheepdog, KPC and others:
We've already seen what the spin is going to be when photos of happy Iraqi citizens realizing they are liberated from Saddam's oppressive rule are shown. But, it's time to move forward and get a preview of what we can expect from other events shortly to come.
As we are all aware, leftists have pre-determined "spin", as they have gotten together and brain-stormed (actaully, it's more of a brain-drizzle) for any number of possible scenarios which may occur in the coming days. This inquiry is so that we might view exactly what the upcoming twists and lies will be in order to prop up what's left of their cardboard bunker. These responses are always predictable, but it's nice to actually hear it from the horses-asses themselves. With that in mind, let's proceed.
We've got some idea of what spin you're going to put when the WMD's start showing up. Any additional spin you have yet to present and would like to do so now would be appreciated.
And to this point, we have yet to hear what the spin will be when the reports begin to come out about the various types of torture to which Saddam subjected the Iraqi people and how thankful they are that they no longer have to worry about such things. What have you planned to divert attention from this unfortuante side-effect of having the Iraqi people liberated?
That's enough for now.
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by Non-Conformist
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:48 AM
Don't you just love those scripted shows they have today on the tele? I can sit on me arse ALL DAY and watch! Almost as good as soap operas, they are! Boy, that sure LOOKS real! Wonder how they got the dogs to bark all together at the same time? Woof woof woof!
And to the wankers who support the 'New World Order' let me say this about that: "I am not a crook!' Remember who said that? Maybe these days it should read, 'I am not a liar!' All hail Emperor Shrub and his lap-dog Princess Scare! Let the Empire rule forever and ever! Amen!
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by daveman
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:49 AM
"disparage anyone who would offer a shred of warmth or dignity to others."
Like the left, calling our troops "baby killers"?
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by tuna
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:55 AM
>All hail Emperor Shrub
Emperor's don't come up for election every four years and are limited to two terms.
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by walt henry
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 9:23 AM
I suggest you checkout the 4/14 issue of Time magazine. You will find a photo of the armless boy. If it.s been altered by photoshop I'll eat it. This is not the same photo that's all over the Net.
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by Non-Conformist
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 9:33 AM
The Emperor was SELECTED by his lackeys. Let us not confuse things. I think it was along a 5-4 split. Also, there is another Shrub waiting in the wings...so that the Empire can continue!
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 9:33 AM
Of course the photo is fake. We all KNOW that no babies were harmed in the makeing of this movie.
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by Diogenes
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 9:35 AM
...to get out of your cave over at UnFree Rezpublik (the most censored forum on the Web) more often. The only mention I have seen of calling our troops "baby-killers" has been by insular individuals like yourself who have a fixed, and unreal, notion as to who comprises the Anti-War Movement. You might want to try doing some reading instead of listening to the Propaganda on Talk Radio. You betray your sources of disinformation with every post.
Of course if you were ever to remove your blinders you might find, much to your dismay I am sure, that the opposition to the NAZI policies of the Bush Junta are very un-American. Try reading some Jefferson or Madison. Maybe Washington's Farewell Address.
You are a traitor to every principle upon which this nation of Free People was founded.
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by boohoohoo
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 9:50 AM
>>The Emperor was SELECTED by his lackeys.<<
Still crying over Gore losing, I see. Oh well, I'm over it. If you don't like it, tough. No one asked you anyway.
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by daveman
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 9:56 AM
Being called un-American by a communist. That hurts.
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by Diogenes
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 10:10 AM
...he reduced to calling everyone a ooooohhh - "communist". Oooooooohhhhh!
Notice to the Brown Shirts anyone who does not toe the Neo-Fascist Party Line is automatically that all purpose insult "a dirty stinking commie, pinko, etc., .... No imagination, no wit, no nothing.
Semantic Null: Definition: A statement which is completely devoid of meaningful communication.
Daveman: Definition: A statement which completely devoid of meaningful communication.
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by Eric
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 10:20 AM
You piece of liberal trash. I wish I was dictator of America. I'd send all you scumbags to the ovens.
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by Diogenes
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 10:25 AM
...I am not a pacifist, well trained, and I hit what I aim at.
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by 30.06
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 10:33 AM
Good. Make it sporting for me, will ya. Wear a bullet-proof vest.
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by Perceptive
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 11:49 AM
If anyone doubts that the U.S. is determined to control the media images of this war, they have only to consider the virtually simultaneous attacks upon Al-Jazeera, Abu Dhabi TV and the Palestine Hotel (housing international media). One photographer reported that he was targeted with U.S. sniper fire while taking photographs from the roof of the Palestine Hotel.
These photographs from mainstream media sources show clearly that the entire scene depicting the destruction of Hussein's statue is an orchestrated photo opportunity, conveniently staged right in front of the Palestine Hotel for the benefit of already terrorized media.
By the way, don't feed the right-wing trolls, people. Ignore them, unless they have something of substance to say. Insult trading just takes up bandwidth and accomplishes nothing.
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by BushmanUSA
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 12:45 PM
Just another symbol of how we Americans can kick ass on anybody in the world - even someone as dangerous as Saddam Hussein! We had these stupid Iraqis so confused that they couldn't even remember to use all those wretched WMD they had waiting for us. LOL! What a joke. Now they need to put up a statue of a godly leader who knows how to get results - namely G W Bush. Isn't it just plain logical that the people of Iraq would love us after all of what we had to sacrifice in order to liberate their lazy, chicken sh-t, conniving little asses? I've seen crowds of five or six of them cheering our troops several times on TV. They knew what they did to us on 9/11 and they knew that payback time was comin' and it finally did and I, along with all true patriots, am so damn glad about this victory I can't stand it. Besides - they knew they had it coming. And now they know, full well, how lucky they are that we came to liberate them instead of just plain annihilate them (like we really should have anyway). Get real folks - those people love us now and you left wing piglets just can't admit it. In fact - I just can't see how you anti-American left wing losers can even begin to deny our great leader's courage and success in W-ar? Who cares if the subhuman Iraqis weren't there in huge numbers to thank us for liberating their sand diggin' little asses? They all know deep down that we did the right thing - the truly Christian thing. You see - if there is anything Lord Jesus loves more than little children it's seeing little evildoing Iraqi children get their arms and legs blown off by American Christian soldiers and tall statues of Islamic dictators like Saddam fly helplessly to the ground. Face it folks - this is a monumental victory for true, Bible believing Christians in the US and all over the world. And our next stop is Syria (by the way) where we can show those no account evildoers who's boss. So I hope you scumball liberals can shut up and do your patriotic duty this time by supporting our troops like you should have this last time. If not I hope they shoot every gawddam one of you miserable cowards. There is no room left in this country anymore for people who can't see the plain and simple truth. If you're not for us - you're against us. So turn on FOX and get aquainted with the way things are and the way they are gonna be from now on - or get out of the country before our supreme commander-in-chief does what he should have done when you started your pathetic, pinko protesting crap - have you shot on sight. God Bless America!
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by Too Late Eric.....
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 1:07 PM
...for you to be dictator (in your case "dick-tater"). We already have one his name is King George. We are waiting to be liberated, but there are some scary people in America: Those who are too stupid to understand how dangerous the King is; and those who know and support him. Hopefully, America will be released from this dictatorship in the near future.
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by TO: BUSHMAN USA
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 1:23 PM
Please tell me that this post from you is a joke, right? No one can be this out of touch with reality. You sound like you just got out of a 1960's John Birch Meeting in Orange County.
Please, God, save our nation from people like this, who are not able to form an independent thought, who can stand by and watch our country do wrong and take pride in it. God, please, please save us from these people who falsely parade in the name of patriotism. I love my country and I want it safe. Please start here, God, and remove destructive forces like this from our nation.
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by Shrub
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 2:23 PM
This whole war thing is BS. They say that the Iraqies are the "biggest threat to the world" yet no chemical weapons (unless you call the 30 barrels of pesticide chemial weapons), no biological weapons, no scuds, no weapons of Mass Distruction have been found. Saddam was supposed to have "Elite" forces that are supposed to rival the United States best forces, yet the US just rolled right over everything. Some superior forces the Iraqies have there. Thank god the US stepped in to crush this countries army...they might have invaded some 7-11 and been sucessful. It is well known that the US is controling the media that is coming out of there. I really wouldnt be suprised if the US starts planting "evidence" to make themselves look better since nothing has been found.
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by me once...
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:56 PM
ignorance is bliss... everyone knows you have to fight for peace...right?
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by Jamie C.
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 4:56 PM
ghostlly@yahoo.com
I wouldnt put anything past this administration. I dont know wether the photo is real or not but it makes you wonder. What sense does it make that people would be cheering in the streets with machine gun fire two blocks down the street? It sounds like just the sort of stunt that this administration would pull. Just the sort of thing that an administration that has been proven to be liars to the whole world by forging false documents to the UN as "proof". Criticising Iraq for breaking the UN's rules and then turing around and breaking them ourselves to punish them. I would have thought we would have learned from the mess that Isreal is in that occupation isnt going to solve our security problems. Now we have our own west bank when will we ever learn? Peace make love not war.
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by Thomas
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:30 PM
To show you how ignorant Bush and his cowards hiding behind the telephone are so nobody can see or find them. On c-span a Bush ass licker called in and said. "I don't know why everyone is complaining about the 12 year old boy with no arms. He can still dance". How the F___ sick can anyone be. I'd love to know were that inbread lives. I'm a Decorated Vietnam Infantry Combat Veteran. I was blown up and laid in a bed for one and a half years before I could even walk again. I'd love to know where that sick asshole lives so I could go and bitch slap his little inbred,coward ass. I take nothing away from our soilders. But if I hear one more time this is the greatest military the world has ever seen, i'll shit. I haven't even seen a good fire fight not to mention a battle.
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by Pissed Off in Ohio
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 8:53 PM
The people banging that war drum really do seem some inbred dumb motherfuckers some (most) of the time. Almost like they goosestepped right off the cover of whitepower weekly eh?
Bastards... no respect for human life or what it means to really suffer... no perspective on reality at all, its like this is all one big damn video game to them.
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by daveman
Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 11:55 PM
"Insult trading just takes up bandwidth and accomplishes nothing. "
We've been found out!
So I guess us conservatives will leave Indymedia and let you accomplish...nothing.
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by BushmanUSA
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 12:55 AM
I need serious help??? You lying left-wing, gutless morons need help - help packing your bags for a one way ticket out of America that is. If you want to live in the land that Jesus made great then worship Him in heart, mind and soul or get out! Our Lord Jesus Christ put G W Bush where he is and you lilly-livered liberals just can't get it through your heads now that he is the BOSS! Do what he says or leave the land that God Almighty has anointed him to run. Period. It doesn't matter what is or isn't in that picture or any other picture. What God demands from us is obedience and not a lot of second guessing and cynical little questions. The Bible tells us in Psalms 5:5 that God hates all workers of iniquity. Well worshipping a pedaphile kook who didn't have the sense to accept the Lord Jesus Christ twelve hundred years ago is bad enough - but to blow up our world trade center towers like they did just proves my point - the worshippers of Mohammed are evildoers to the man. Each and every one of them. Get it through your thick heads - 9/11! Support Our Troops! God Bless America!
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by WOW!
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:02 AM
wow a reborn moron
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by BUSHMAN, LMAO
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 1:41 AM
The Lord put George Bush where he is? OK, let's look at that logic a bit. If this is how it works, then the Lord put Saddam where he was and, thus, we had no business fucking with the plans of the Lord.
Now, let's try this one: The Lord put all those people at the WTC and the Pentagon on 9-11. It was part of his plan....so this makes terrorism alright.
Whoooo-eeeeee!!!!!! Man, you just solved all of the mysteries of the world. I have no further questions. I must just sit back and let the Lord decide.
Oh, I forgot: The Lord let George Bush steal the 2000 election, therefore stealing is OK.
ROFPIMPLMAO!!!! You, Bush-Ass, are a joke. Talk about having your head up your ass looking for daylight. Man, you are the model for this one.
George Bush is a rotten evil man, put on this earth by the devil to tempt good nations like the USA into doing evil, malicious acts in the name of the Lord. It's the End Times, Dummy, and Bush is in the forefront of this. I bet if you shaved his head you would see 666.
You, Bushman are the spawn of the devil if you believe in George Bush as goodness and light. Listen to the Lord and not the Evil One in the White House. Anyone who calls on the name of the Lord, like George the Evil one, to justify acts of aggression is NOT a tool of the Lord, but works for Satan. Look at the Bush family - look at the base conduct of his daughters. These are virtuous women, raised by a good man? I think not.
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by common sense
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 2:57 AM
Okay, so half the people on this list think anything remotely liberal is a lie, and the other half think anything remotely conservative is a lie, and nobody's going to be persuaded one way or another. Right?
So let's stick to some facts we can all agree on:
1. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, and it makes perfect sense that many Iraqis are happy to see him gone.
2. Among the many lessons the Iraqis have learned from 23 years of Saddam Hussein's rule is this: if you value your life, you say whatever you think the men with the guns want you to say, especially if they're filming you. So if Hussein's soldiers suddenly get replaced with Bush's soldiers, guess whose praises you'd better start singing.
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by fartman
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 3:11 AM
>But if I hear one more time this is the greatest military the world has ever seen, i'll shit.
This is the greatest military the world has ever seen.
Ewwwwwwwwww! Sheepdog ate it!!!
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by ThaRevrendAlanBurd
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 5:41 AM
tharevrendalanburd@yahoo.com nah... really, nah....
first...i am proud to be a liberal. i like a liberal helping of ice cream, mashed potatoes, "hemp", bj's...pretty much anything fun or "good"...o wait! i guess that makes me a consumer, too!
i am also anti-war, anti-bush, anti-alien overlord and anti-nail-in-the-foot.
that being said...OF COURSE IT WAS A PHOTO-OP!!!! it was TOTAL symbolism, ya'll...stop acting shocked and indignant. and of course the square was cordoned off. it would have been supremely irresponsible to allow citizens to mill about the square as a tank is ripping down a 30 foot bronze statue. and i just can't act surprised that people used in the action shots were hand picked by the people crafting the scene. they wanted specific reactions...duh.
i, personaly, think Saddam, Bush, Bin Ladden and the rest are arguably part of something much more sinister than some staged statue silliness.
peace and survival to all love&xxx's ThaRevrendAl "your friendly neighborhood psudeo-rastafarian neo-gnostic priest"
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by Jelena
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 7:57 AM
It's funny and it's not if it's true!
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by Jelena
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 7:57 AM
It's funny and it's not if it's true!
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by Barney
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:35 AM
Before anyone more impressionable youngsters get duped by this look at the comments in the attached link which clearly show that this photo was not taken at the time the statue came down.
Look at the comments and see for yourselves, espeically the photos and video. BE CAREFUL. There are some very sinister characters using this site who are willing to lie to push their agenda.
Take care
www.dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63743&group=we...
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by Barney
Saturday, Apr. 12, 2003 at 8:40 AM
Before anyone more impressionable youngsters get duped by this look at the comments in the attached link which clearly show that this photo was not taken at the time the statue came down.
Look at the comments and see for yourselves, espeically the photos and video. BE CAREFUL. There are some very sinister characters using this site who are willing to lie to push their agenda.
Take care.
www.dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63743&group=we...
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by Helpless it seems
Sunday, Apr. 13, 2003 at 9:06 AM
To Common Sense: Thank you for some logical comments. True enough, the Iraqui's want to look thankful and happy because THEY DON'T WANT TO GET SHOT MISTAKEN FOR ANGRY ARMY MEN.
Every interview I've seen with the "natives" comes back to the same question and answer. Question: What do you want us to do next? Answer: Leave.
Yes, they are glad to be rid of Sadaam, but they are afraid we may replace him. I would like to be liberated of El Presidente Bush, but NOT by a bunch of foreign invaders and the need to dodge bullets. At least we have a system of sorts. Hopefully his brother won't be in line to replace him (oh please!). But there are limits even though we know corporations, more or less, are controlling things. But the Iraquis were in "wait and see" mode. Wait for S.H. to die or get knocked off and then see if there was any hope for a beter govt. Now that S.H. is gone and they have a chance of a better govt. that's nice for them but MEANWHILE we broke all the rules to get them to that point. Does the fact that they are now open for a less despotic govt. make the war right? and what about all the int'l rules we trampled to get to where Haliburten (sp?) can rebuild what we smashed? Too many questions, so few answers.
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by shel
Sunday, Apr. 13, 2003 at 10:53 AM
I thank GOD that YOUR god is not MY GOD ... all you born-again SHEEP following in a herd behind your twisted, mean-spirited, self-motivated right wing mouthpieces make me sick. Why don't you wake up and think for yourself?
If you spent half as much time trying to get the whole truth, instead of the teeny-tiny bits of half-truths that you all seem to love to have spoon-fed to you by the television networks, we wouldn't have Bush as a president and wouldn't be in this mess right now!
You can all gloat over the easy victory we're having in Iraq right now, but the repurcussions of our actions in the Middle East, the alienation of our allies around the world, and our attempted emasculation of the United Nations will all be things that we will have to live with for decades. I can't believe the idiots that voted this imbecile into office and are now cheering as he ruins our country.
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by LHS
Tuesday, Apr. 15, 2003 at 6:47 PM
ali.jpg, image/jpeg, 190x150
I use photoshop and other programs extensively and see nothing to indicate that the photo is altered.
LHS
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by Sheepdog
Tuesday, Apr. 15, 2003 at 7:18 PM
Would like to see the wards inside the hospitals of Baghdad and the other liberated cities. Not as joyful as the masturbation known as peace demonstrations ( well, I guess it does serve a purpose, it creates more undercover surveillance to monitor the organizing movements ) but certainly more real. Hell, they need their face rubbed in it after the shower of warm fuzzys we had to endure. People need to see what we have done when we let these mad men play god. Are we insane to allow this to happen?
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by Rj
Tuesday, Apr. 15, 2003 at 8:01 PM
It's pathetic to see and read pro Bush comments on this site. Obviously the base problem in America is the standard of education the give you morons. Thank Christ there is the odd democrat in your country to show you what the rest of the free world sees as an obvious atrocity.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 12:37 AM
Hee hee!
Nah, too easy...
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by Turd Ferguson
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 5:13 AM
Wow, another typical, thoughtless response from a conservative. Somebody give me a nickel.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 5:35 AM
..blinding flashes of insight so common here in Indymedia, like:
"It's pathetic to see and read pro Bush comments on this site."
"...all you born-again SHEEP following in a herd behind your twisted, mean-spirited, self-motivated right wing mouthpieces make me sick. Why don't you wake up and think for yourself?"
"Sheepdog ate it!!!"
"The people banging that war drum really do seem some inbred dumb motherfuckers some (most) of the time. Almost like they goosestepped right off the cover of whitepower weekly eh?"
"Notice to the Brown Shirts anyone who does not toe the Neo-Fascist Party Line is automatically that all purpose insult "a dirty stinking commie, pinko, etc., .... No imagination, no wit, no nothing. " NOTE to Diogenes: Just like you do with the "Brown Shirt" stuff, huh?
"I tried to tell you Freeper creeps that they were doctored, but oh, no, you assholes thought you knew better."
Your debate skills are truly amazing. It's a darn shame you've been totally marginalized.
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by Turd Ferguson
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 5:41 AM
"Your debate skills are truly amazing." No, no, YOURS are, especially with mature, thought-provoking responses like "Hee hee!" "It's a darn shame you've been totally marginalized." Unlike you, I don't base my political beliefs on whatever the mainstream is thinking. Try reading "political Science for Dummies."
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 5:48 AM
...was you impersonating Bush Admirer.
Very cute.
And what makes you think (assuming you even do) that I base my opinions on the mainstream? How do you know I wouldn't hold these opinions anyway?
You don't.
And you're STILL marginalized, whether you like it or not.
Oh, and BTW: Hee hee!
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by Turd Ferguson
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 5:51 AM
I see you still haven't read "Political Science for Dummies." Is it above your reading level? As for Bush Admirer, he's making a fool out of himself all on his own.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 5:57 AM
..."How to Deal With the Left on the Internet".
That's funny...it says, "Ignore them...they're SO marginalized."
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by Turd Ferguson
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 6:56 AM
It's sad that you need to read a book to be able to "deal with" people.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 9:21 AM
...anything about dealing with people.
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by Turd Ferguson
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 9:42 AM
No, I'm still reading... by daveman • Tuesday April 15, 2003 08:57 AM
..."How to DEAL WITH THE LEFT on the Internet".
That's funny...it says, "Ignore them...they're SO marginalized."
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 9:55 AM
I said "the Left"...not "people".
Geez. Subtlety is lost on you people.
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by Turd Ferguson
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 10:03 AM
Oh, so the Left doesn't consist of PEOPLE? Please go back to first grade.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 10:06 AM
...TF. That was a JOKE.
I don't know where you went to school, but we didn't get into political science where I went to first grade.
I guess we just weren't as progressive as all that.
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by Sir Ian McKellan
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 10:31 AM
You, sir, are an imbecile.
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by Diogenes
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 10:50 AM
...is your color. It goes with your eyes.
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by Rj
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 7:57 PM
Blood, Oil, and Sand: The Hidden History of America’s War on Iraq by Cliff Pearson, Dallas Peace Center In the 1920s, American and European oil companies discovered and exploited the first oil fields in the Middle East. But World War II changed everything. Despite being victors, both France and England began to lose control of their former colonies. The Middle Eastern nations recognized their potential to become economic world players through their oil. Many of them—much to the chagrin of London, Paris, and Washington—attempted to nationalize their oil reserves, only to have the West retaliate. In 1953, Iran’s President Mossadegh nationalized its oil reserves and kicked the British out of the country. The United States responded by having the CIA assist in a coup that re-established the Shah of Iran as ruler. General Abdel Karim Qassem, the ruler of Iraq, also attempted to nationalize. United States CIA Director Allen Dulles immediately and publicly declared General Qassem’s actions to be “Communist,” but also added that he didn’t think the situation “was hopeless.” Almost immediately afterward General Qassem was assassinated in a coup led by Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Party. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- …a former Ba’ath Party member named Al Saadi spoke openly of having been trained for their successful coup by the CIA. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “This coup came as a result of an oil deal between Iraq and a French company, IRAB,” says Ahmed Al Bayati, London Representative of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution In Iraq. “This contract upset the West and the Americans in particular. So they encouraged a coup in Iraq at that time.” In 1972, according to former Iraqi Oil Minister Fadel Chalabi, a former Ba’ath Party member named Al Saadi spoke openly of having been trained for their successful coup by the CIA. Also in 1972, OPEC, the international cartel of oil-producing nations, raised the price of crude oil from $3 per barrel to $22 per barrel in an effort to profiteer from the West’s dependence on their product. President Saddam Hussein reacted to this price-gouging opportunity by immediately nationalizing Iraq’s oil fields. The United States reacted by branding Saddam Hussein “unreliable,” a “terrorist leader,” and throwing its primary Middle Eastern support to Iran, led by the pro-Western Shah. “For 25 years, from 1953, the Shah of Iran was the US surrogate in the Persian Gulf and in the Middle East region,” says former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark. “The hope of control by the West of the Middle East faded in 1979 when the Shah was overthrown by anti-Western, fundamentalist leader Ayatollah Khomeini. By then, Saddam Hussein became again a viable card in Washington’s hand. He became the actual president of Iraq after 11 years of being its acting vice president, and then perpetrated a sweeping purge of his opponents and attacked Iran—without provocation or apparent reason.” The Stockholm Peace Research Institute shows that, during the Iran-Iraq War, nations lined up to sell arms to both sides in the conflict. According to their online database, 52 nations sold to either Iran or Iraq and 29 countries supplied arms to both sides. David Welch, former Iraq Program Director for the US State Department, admits that the United States sold some arms to Iraq during the war but insists that it was very little, citing an “arms embargo” on both countries that made such sales illegal in most cases. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- …the CIA and the State Department were very much aware that Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons, made by and bought from American companies… -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In truth, however, a Congressional investigation found in 1992 that the CIA and the State Department were very much aware that Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons, made by and bought from American companies, against Kurdish civilians and Iranian soldiers. Ramsey Clark reports that, from as early as 1972, the CIA and State Department had been monitoring Saddam Hussein’s ambitious determination to acquire “non-conventional weapons of mass destruction.” Documents obtained by Congress show that in the 80s, during the height of the Iran-Iraq War, the United States knew that a $1.7 billion “agricultural aid” package to Iraq was actually being used by Saddam Hussein to purchase helicopters, trucks, pesticides, and even anthrax. One document shows the purchase from the United States of “bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240) Batch #05-14-63 [3 each] Class III pathogen.” Immediately, Congressional leaders began questioning these practices. According to Clark, the State Department and CIA, under former presidents Reagan and Bush, Sr., began to systematically quell all Congressional inquiries about US support for Iraq’s military build-up, and eventually the inquiries faded away. As a result of Saddam Hussein’s unprovoked war with Iran and massive arms purchases, by the end of the Iran-Iraq War in 1988 Saddam Hussein had managed to ruin Iraq’s economy and place it about $40 billion in debt. Because of this debt, Iraq was desperate to nationalize its oil fields so it could profiteer and help offset its war-related economic woes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- …investigative reporters…were shocked to see no evidence whatsoever of an Iraqi military build-up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “OPEC keeps the price of oil stable by limiting how much oil each OPEC member country can produce,” says Siu Hin Lee, an international oil market analyst. “In 1989, after the end of the Iran-Iraq War, Kuwait suddenly exceeded its quotas by 20%, driving the price of oil down on the world market. As a result of Kuwait’s production hike, Iraq lost almost a third of its oil income. This was at a time when Iraq was desperate for money.” Kuwait, a major source of oil to the West, is an artificially created country, set up by the British Empire during the “Mandates Period,” and carved out of the southern tip of Iraq. The creation of Kuwait by the British took Iraq’s access to the Persian Gulf away from them and set up as rulers a British-picked royal family, or “emirate,” that was friendly to the West. The territory had been in dispute for nearly a century. When Kuwait’s newfound wealth added to Iraq’s already miserable economic woes, many Iraqi government leaders suddenly “remembered” that Kuwait was theirs, and Saddam Hussein decided it was time to re-annex Kuwait. As late as six days before Iraq’s invasion, the State Department was assuring Saddam Hussein that the United States had “no security agreement with Kuwait.” Taking his cue, in 1990 Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, convinced that the United States would not react. But in reality, the Pentagon was more than ready to react. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- …the State Department was assuring Saddam Hussein that the United States had “no security agreement with Kuwait.” Taking his cue, in 1990 Saddam Hussein invaded… -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Within days of Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait, State Department and Department of De-fense officials were in Riyadh meeting with Saudi Arabian officials in an attempt to convince them that Iraq was determined to invade Saudi Arabia. US representatives argued that Iraq posed a grave threat to Saudi Arabia and that the United States must be allowed to deploy hundreds of thousands of soldiers in their country to help protect the Saudis. As part of this attempt at persuasion, the American officials showed the Saudis military satellite photos of a massive build-up of Iraqi troops in Kuwait, apparently poised to invade Saudi Arabia at any moment. But some of the American media didn’t buy it. The St. Petersburg Times and ABC News had asked repeatedly for permission to view the military satellite photos of the Iraqi build-up and were repeatedly denied access to them. Finally, in frustration, investigative reporters from The St. Petersburg Times acquired commercial satellite pictures of the same area and time period and were shocked to see no evidence whatsoever of an Iraqi military build-up. Investigative reporter Jean Heller says: The airport in the Kuwaiti capital appeared to have been abandoned, which it wouldn’t be. If you think about it for a minute, if you’re trying to supply a quarter of a million troops, it takes a lot of food, a lot of camping equipment, a lot of fuel for the tanks. They didn’t see tank tracks in the sand in the desert, and they would not have worn away because satellites are still picking up images of sand tracks in the desert of Northern Africa that were left during World War II. I happened to know the Press Secretary of Defense personally, and I asked him, “Look, you know me, we’ve known each other for a long time. Let me look at some of the US intelligence satellite photos. Prove to me that I’m wrong. I don’t need to take them out of the building, I don’t need to copy them. Prove to me that we are wrong and we won’t run the story.” And he refused to do that. He refused to do it on a number of occasions. As a reporter, I’m not supposed to conclude anything, but everyone else who was familiar with this story and familiar with the satellite photographs has concluded that the [Bush] administration lied to the Saudis, to the world, in order to get the invitation to come into the Middle East to protect the innocent. What does it say about the government? If in fact the government lied, does that surprise anyone? What purpose would the United States have in deceiving the Saudis? “Well, you have to understand that there were principal focuses over the world amounting to military commands,” says General Norman Schwarzkopf. “But there were certain areas in the world that had no focus. The Middle East was such an area. The problem was that no Arab country wanted a major US military headquarters in their country.” The Saudi government was sufficiently frightened by the United States’ scare tactics. On August 7, 1990, the Saudis officially accepted the American delegates’ offer of “protection.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “…the United States deliberately planned the destruction of the economic support system for the Iraqi population.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Within 24 hours of the agreement, the US military steamrolled into Saudi Arabia without even notifying Congress. Within a few short months, more than 500,000 American soldiers were deployed in Saudi Arabia to “protect” the Gulf nation from Iraqi aggression. “Saddam Hussein had indicated a willingness to compromise, mediate and withdraw his troops,” says Denis Halliday, former director of the United Nation’s Oil-for-Food Program in Iraq. “Also, the Arab states were given a chance to mediate but they were given 48 hours, I believe, by President Bush. So in summary, I think the Americans didn’t want a diplomatic solution at that late stage. I am talking about after the invasion.” Phyllis Bennis, a former UN journalist and author, reported in her book, Calling the Shots: How Washington Dominates Today’s UN, that Yemen voted against the use-of-force resolution. She says, “No sooner had the Ambassador of Yemen put down his hand after the vote than there was a US representative at his side saying, ‘That will be the most expensive no vote you will ever cast.’ And sure enough, three days later, the US cut off its entire aid budget to Yemen, the poorest nation in the Arab world.” Despite widespread international opposition to war, on November 29, 1990, the UN Security Council caved in to pressure from the United States and passed the war resolution with a deadline for Saddam Hussein to withdraw from Kuwait by January 15, 1991. Two days after the deadline, the United States and her allies launched a bombing raid on Baghdad. “Typically, the US military claimed that its bombing of Iraq was highly accurate,” says Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General. Nothing could be further from the truth. There were 110,000 aerial sorties and 85,000 tons of bombs—the equivalent of seven and a half Hiroshimas—in 42 days. You could see the indiscriminate nature of the bombing. It probably killed 150,000, maybe 200,000 people—thousands and thousands of civilians indirectly. There is no question from the evidence of the bombing that the United States deliberately planned the destruction of the economic support system for the Iraqi population. If you just take water, they knocked out reservoir dams in the north, they knocked out pumping stations for water pipelines bringing the water down, they knocked out filtration plants to purify the water so you can drink it without getting sick. On food, they systematically attacked the food chain from one end of the country to the other. They knocked out all electrical power within hours. They knocked out transportation. They showed you can destroy a country and deprive it of essential life support systems without ever setting foot on it, through cruise missiles and aerial bombardments. On February 23, 1991, five weeks after the start of the bombing campaign, the coalition sent their ground forces into Kuwait. American soldiers who were part of the invasion force say they got deep into Kuwait very quickly without encountering significant resistance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But the Bush administration’s response was…to step back and wait for Saddam Hussein to quash the popular rebellion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Schwarzkopf agrees that the Iraqi forces in Kuwait were minuscule. “A very large portion of Saddam’s army never came into Kuwait. He kept a large part of his army back along the border with Iran and within the capital, his Republican Guards specifically.” On February 28, 1991, the United States shocked the world by announcing a cease-fire when the coalition forces were already pushing deep into Iraq. On February 26, 1991, two days prior to the declaration of the cease-fire, a new situation had developed in Iraq. Tired of 12 years of ruthless dictatorship, a huge number of the Iraqi people had risen up against Saddam Hussein’s regime. By early March 1991, the popular rebellion in Iraq had spread all across the country. Everywhere people were fighting the regime. But the Bush administration’s response was to end all aggression against Iraq and to step back and wait for Saddam Hussein to quash the popular rebellion. It is abundantly clear from past evidence that helping to install a self-determined democratic government in Iraq has never been the goal of the United States. Far from it, we’ve committed genocide against their children. ©2002 Cliff Pearson Cliff Pearson is a freelance journalist specializing in human rights reporting. He has traveled to southern Mexico, Kosovo, Turkey, Macedonia, and Quebec to report on human rights. He can be reached at cliffpearson@netzero.net.
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by BUSHMAN USA
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 10:23 PM
cliff pearson is obviously a terrorist
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 16, 2003 at 11:45 PM
'...a $1.7 billion “agricultural aid” package to Iraq was actually being used by Saddam Hussein to purchase helicopters, trucks, pesticides, and even anthrax. One document shows the purchase from the United States of “bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240) Batch #05-14-63 [3 each] Class III pathogen.” '
All of which were purchased, legally, from American companies...not the government. The helicopters were civilian models, and were converted to military use by puchases of bolt-on mods from...Europe. The anthrax was a weakened form, to be used for anthrax vaccine research. Iraq has a sizeable agricultural program; the need for anthrax vaccine was legitimate.
"They didn’t see tank tracks in the sand in the desert, and they would not have worn away because satellites are still picking up images of sand tracks in the desert of Northern Africa that were left during World War II."
You'd think that a reporter would know that Kuwait is not Northern Africa. Has this guy been to Kuwait? I have. Footprints are gone within hours. Pretty windy there.
"Let me look at some of the US intelligence satellite photos."
Uh, no. Classified, don't you know. Duh.
"As a reporter, I’m not supposed to conclude anything..."
And then he goes and does that very thing. So much for fair and impartial reporting.
"But the Bush administration’s response was to end all aggression against Iraq and to step back and wait for Saddam Hussein to quash the popular rebellion."
Due to pressure from the UN. They didn't want Saddam out then; they don't want Saddam out now.
Cliff Pearson has an agenda. This is not reporting; it's the Left's propaganda.
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by Bush Admirer
Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 7:32 AM
Way to go. Whenever we conservatives don't have a valid argument, we can always rationalize. Great job!
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by Jean-Paul
Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 7:36 AM
"Still crying over Gore losing, I see. Oh well, I'm over it. If you don't like it, tough. No one asked you anyway."
Actually, I'm still shocked that our entire country MUST deal with the fact that our election was stolen by ANYONE. Unfortunately, it went directly to the least qualified, and the most-likely-to-become evil incarnate.
If dubya wasn't born with a silver senate seat on his ass, then I don't know who in this world ever could be!
(by the way, i didn't vote gore!)
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by JPBondy
Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 7:46 AM
I'm not sure what anyone has to do to show you that your tax dollars are NOT going where they should. Other than killing innocent Iraqi's, dubya has done other things with our tax money, that shows us how much he loves the PEOPLE of this country:
- Cut $39 million from federal spending on libraries (who needs books? the poor? whatever)
- Cut $200 million from the Childcare and Development grant, a program that provides child care to low-income families as they are forced from welfare to work minimum wage jobs. (again, another program for the poor. why don't they just go work at mcdonalds instead?)
- Cut $500 million from the Environmental Protection Agency's budget. (yeah, who needs all those trees making stupid oxygen?)
- Propsed elemination of the "Reading Is Fundamental" program, which gives free books to poor children (I think this is so poor kids won't find out that dubya actually pronouces it "nu-q-lur". shouldn't you be able to pronounce the name of the button before your finger gets anywhere near it?)
- Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, ultimately signed by 178 other countries. (yeah who needs that BS? North Korea? oh.... but)
- Spent over $10 billion of YOUR social security funds.
See, to me it's never been about Al Gore not getting elected. It has always been about, and will continue to be about someone in my White House who is tearing apart so much of what we have built, and will send our country so far back, it will take us 20 left-wing presidents to climb back to the middle.
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by shel
Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 2:47 PM
"Sheepdog ate it"? My, that's a fine bit of debating brilliance...
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by Republicanfoxfan
Saturday, Apr. 19, 2003 at 6:30 AM
I don't care about any arabs. They're all just terrorists waiting to kill good christian people. Kill them all. You liberal arab-lovers should have all died in 911, you love Saddam so much. You and the rest of the liberal media, except for Rush, George Will, Thomas Sewell, Savage, O'Reilly, Matthews, Hannity, Brit Hume, McLaughlin, Liddy, Laura, Cokie Roberts, Coulter, Novak, North, Russert, Wolf Blitzer, and Stossel. Fox is the only fair and balanced media. You Klinton lovers are just welfare queens. You all have ten babies and then cry about not getting enough money. 911 is all Klinton's fault, anyway. Bush had to come in and fix everything that you tree-hugging, arab-loving terrorists messed up. We had to free Iraq because Klinton and his girlfriends loved the terrorists. He was too busy murdering and raping, and crying with the enviro-nazis about the phony global warming. You gay liberals just want to tax everybody and give it all to welfare instead of working for a living. That's why you took God out of the schools, so you can brainwash kids into being gay lovers. Thank God we have Republicans now. No more queers and godless muslims. You liberal fags and welfare queens can starve now. Now we can bring good Christian values back. Why don't you liberals move to France, with the other panzies?
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by wow
Saturday, Apr. 19, 2003 at 6:40 AM
More, more.. moron. wow
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by E. Delany
Saturday, Apr. 19, 2003 at 4:22 PM
That must have been a desert mirage seen in Baghdad today with thousands of "liberated " Iraqis demanding an end to US occupation of their country!
Something wrong here, surely? With Evil Dictator Saddam Hussayn killed three times already by the John Waynes, don't these Iraqis realise they have been "liberated" and can now get their Coca Cola at half-price from the jarheads?
Of course, it wasn't on CNN or Fox so it couldn' t be true, could it?
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by William Sinclair
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 7:47 PM
The only fool being fooled is those of you who fail to see the true reason for the toppling of that torturous villian Saddam Huesain. Those who would think we are after oil are fools, we can and do get more oil from Southern America than we need! It is easy to manipulate information for any reason and I chose to believe that the image presented was taken before,or more likely, just after the event to construe it in the worst possible context .
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Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:30 PM
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by semtex
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:35 PM
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by FOX NEWS
Thursday, Apr. 24, 2003 at 8:38 AM
"It is easy to manipulate information for any reason and I chose to believe that the image presented was taken before,or more likely, just after the event to construe it in the worst possible context ."
PLEASE keep watching us. We just love uneducated rednecks like yourself.
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Thursday, Apr. 24, 2003 at 8:39 AM
"It is easy to manipulate information for any reason and I chose to believe that the image presented was taken before,or more likely, just after the event to construe it in the worst possible context ."
PLEASE keep watching us. We just love uneducated rednecks like yourself.
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by FOX NEWS
Thursday, Apr. 24, 2003 at 8:39 AM
"It is easy to manipulate information for any reason and I chose to believe that the image presented was taken before,or more likely, just after the event to construe it in the worst possible context ."
PLEASE keep watching us. We just love uneducated rednecks like yourself.
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by FOX NEWS
Thursday, Apr. 24, 2003 at 8:40 AM
"It is easy to manipulate information for any reason and I chose to believe that the image presented was taken before,or more likely, just after the event to construe it in the worst possible context ."
PLEASE keep watching us. We just love uneducated rednecks like yourself.
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by FOX NEWS
Thursday, Apr. 24, 2003 at 8:47 AM
"It is easy to manipulate information for any reason and I chose to believe that the image presented was taken before,or more likely, just after the event to construe it in the worst possible context ."
PLEASE keep watching us. We just love uneducated rednecks like yourself.
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by FOX NEWS
Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:00 AM
"It is easy to manipulate information for any reason..."
Please keep watching us!
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by gimpy larue
Friday, May. 02, 2003 at 10:48 AM
I heard it reported that shrub authorized the statue pull down. Did he authorize the tank shelling of the Press hotel, the Al Jezerra murders? Industrial military complex is out of control. Yes it is still here. Can you hear us still? And they said communism was bad.....
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by Gimpy larue
Friday, May. 02, 2003 at 10:50 AM
I heard shrub ordered the statue pull down did he order the Al Jezerra press murders as well?
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by Gimpy larue
Friday, May. 02, 2003 at 10:53 AM
I heard shrub ordered the statue pull down did he order the Al Jezerra press murders as well?
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by Gimpy larue
Friday, May. 02, 2003 at 10:54 AM
I heard shrub ordered the statue pull down did he order the Al Jezerra press murders as well?
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by Gimpy larue
Friday, May. 02, 2003 at 10:54 AM
I heard that shrub ordered the statue pull down. Did he order the Al Jezerra press murders as well? How about the shelling of the press hotel? Anything else you can think of….
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by Gimpy larue
Friday, May. 02, 2003 at 10:55 AM
I heard that shrub ordered the statue pull down. Did he order the Al Jezerra press murders as well? How about the shelling of the press hotel? Anything else you can think of….
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by Gimpy larue
Saturday, May. 03, 2003 at 2:30 AM
Toppling of statue ordered and the shooting of press
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