March 17, 2003

Tonight, on American television, President George W. Bush said that diplomacy was finished. I respectfully disagree. Chile, France, Germany and many many nations around the world have pressed forward, thru the UN, seeking non-violent alternatives to war as well as peaceful means of disarmament. Diplomacy is clearly not yet finished.

The international community must step in to avert a war in Iraq. Invoking UN Resolution 377 is one means to provide more time for the international community to continue diplomacy and dialogue. At the beginning of the 21st century, this very dialogue may change forever war as the sole means of disarmament.

Please consider contacting a permanent member of the UN either by phone, email, fax or mail. Addresses may be found on their websites listed at:

http://www.un.int/missions/webs.html

A pdf of "Uniting for Peace" Resolution 377 may be viewed at:

http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/landmark/amajor.htm

left hand column, 2nd to last box: A/RES/377 (V)

Below, I have included those email addresses that were available online for UN members. But given the urgency, there may be less than 48 hours before bombing begins, a phone call may be the best course of action.

Let the world Unite for Peace.

mission@algeria-un.org

ang-un@angolamissionun.org

emb.ismael.martins@angolamissionun.org

antigua@un.int

argentina@un.int

armenia@un.int

australia@un.int

austria@un.int

bangladesh@un.int

belgium@un.int

braun@delbrasonu.org

bulgaria@un.int

cambodia@un.int

info@cameroonmission.org

chile@un.int

colombia@colombiaun.org

congo@un.int

drcongo@un.int

croatia@un.int

publicrelations@cubanmission.com

cyprus@un.int

un.newyork@embassy.mzv.cz

nycmis@um.dk

undomrep@aol.com

timor-leste@un.int

eritrea@un.int

ethiopia@un.int

sanomat.yke@formin.fi

france@un.int

gabon@un.int

georgia@un.int

mission@greeceun.org

m.suazo@worldnet.att.net

hungary@un.int

ptri@indonesiamission-ny.org

ireland@un.int

itaun@undp.org

jamaica@un.int

mission@un-japan.org

kazakhstan@un.int

kenya@un.int

korea@un.int

kuwaitmission@msn.com

lao@un.int

lesotho@un.int

info@libya-un.org

ltuun@undp.org

luxun@undp.org

macedonia@un.int

malaysia@un.int

mdvun@undp.org

mexico@un.int

moldova@un.int

monaco@un.int

zerendo@un.int

nplun@undp.org

nzmissionny@earthlink.net

nigerun@aol.com

delun@mfa.no

Pakistan@un.int

misunphil@aol.com

stlucia@un.int

slumission@aol.com

saudi-mission@un.int

serbia-montenegro@un.int

sgpun@prodigy.net

skun@undp.org

slovenia@un.int

sacg@southafrica-newyork.net

info@spainun.org

suriname@un.int

sweden@un.int

PA4@eda.admin.ch

generalsekretaer@eda.admin.ch

turkey@un.int

mail@uamission.org

uruguay@un.int

vietnamun@aol.com

zambia@un.int

For 30 years, America's veto policy in the United Nations has been central to its foreign policy. More than 70 times the United States has shamelessly used its veto in the UN, most recently to crush a Security Council resolution condemning the Israeli killing of the British UN worker Iain Hook in Jenin last December.

Most of America's vetoes have been in support of its ally Israel. It has vetoed a resolution calling for the Israeli withdrawal from the Syrian Golan Heights (January, 1982), a resolution condemning the killing of 11 Muslims by Israeli soldiers near the al-Aqsa mosque (April, 1982), and a resolution condemning Israelis slaughter of 106 Lebanese refugees at the UN camp at Qana (April, 1986).

The full list would fill more than a page of this newspaper. And now we are told by George Bush Junior that the Security Council will become irrelevant if France, Germany and Russia use their veto? I often wonder how much further the sanctimoniousness of the Bush administration can go. Much further, I fear.

So here's a little idea that might just make the American administration even angrier and even more aware of its obligations to the rest of the world. It's a forgotten UN General Assembly resolution that could stop an invasion of Iraq, a relic of the Cold War. It was, ironically, pushed through by the US to prevent a Soviet veto at the time of the Korean conflict, and actually used at the time of Suez.

For UN resolution 377 allows the General Assembly to recommend collective action "if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security".

This arcane but intriguing piece of UN legislation – passed in 1950 and originally known as the "Uniting for Peace" resolution – might just be used to prevent Messrs Bush and Blair going to war if their plans are vetoed in the Security Council by France or Russia. Fundamentally, it makes clear that the UN General Assembly can step in – as it has 10 times in the past – if the Security Council is not unanimous.

Of course, the General Assembly of 1950 was a different creature from what it is today. The post-war world was divided and the West saw America as its protector rather than a potential imperial power. The UN's first purpose was – and is still supposed to be – to "maintain international peace and security".

Duncan Currie, a lawyer working for Greenpeace, has set out a legal opinion, which points out that the phrase in 377 providing that in "any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression", the General Assembly "shall consider the matter immediately" means that – since "threat" and "breach" are mentioned separately – the Assembly can be called into session before hostilities start.

These "breaches", of course, could already be alleged, starting with the American air attack on Iraqi anti-ship gun batteries near Basra on 13 January this year.

The White House – and readers of The Independent, and perhaps a few UN officials – can look up the 377 resolution at:

www.un.org/Depts/dhl/landmark/amajor.htm

If Mr Bush takes a look, he probably wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.

But today the General Assembly – dead dog as we have all come to regard it – might just be the place for the world to cry: Stop. Enough.

UN Resolution 377, “Uniting For Peace”:

Resolution 377, “Uniting For Peace,” is a U.N. provision that empowers the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council cannot reach consensus, and there is a threat to peace or an act of aggression. This would empower the General Assembly to collectively stop the U.S./Great Britain invasion of Iraq. If Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary. § An Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly must meet to consider using Resolution 377 within 24 hours of a request by the Secretary General. § It must be approved by either seven (7) members of the Security Council, or a majority of the General Assembly (representing 191 countries). § It can be enacted by the General Assembly, even if the Security Council approves the use of force in Iraq, if the Security Council “…fails in its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security.” § Resolution 377 has been used ten times since 1950.

Full Text of UN General Assembly Resolution 377, “Uniting For Peace,” can be found at: http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/landmark/pdf/ares377e.pdf Draft

Resolution For Uniting For Peace From CCR: http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/docs/Draft_Uniting_For_Peace_Resolution.pdf Draft

Letter to the U.N. Secretary General by CCR: http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/docs/Draft_Letter_to_Secretary_General.pdf

Most of this information came from the Center for Constitutional Rights; See the following:

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/newsroom/releases/pReleases.asp?ObjID=TA4sn9vT2F&Content=180



IMMEDIATELY contact Secretary General Kofi Annan,Permanent Members of the U.N. Security Counciland the UN Member states listed below. Also, send a cc copy to Michael Ratner at The Center for Constitutional Rights at mratner@igc.org

Tell them the following:

§ You must immediately request an Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly to enact Resolution 377, “Uniting For Peace,” to authorize collective measures to maintain international peace and security in the matter of Iraq.

There now exists a lack of unanimity that cannot be resolved between the Permanent Members of the Security Council regarding the action needed in enforcing Security Council Resolution 1441, “The Situation Between Iraq and Kuwait.”

Certain member states, most notably the United States and Great Britain, pose an imminent threat to international peace and security.

The United States and Great Britain have blatantly stated that they may use military force against Iraq without Security Council authority. This constitutes a violation of international law and the primary responsibility of the Security Council.

SECRETARY GENERAL: Secretary General Kofi Annan United Nations, Room 2-3800 NY, NY 10017 (212) 963-4475, Fax: (212) 963-0071 inquiries@un.org

FURTHER ARGUMENTS:

1. DON’T ALLOW THEU.S. T0 ATTACK IRAQ

A US attack will be a violation of International Law ( UN Charter, Art. 103), and a violation of the US Constitution, ( Article VI, Clause 2).

The US is now evaluating the use of nuclear weapons to attack Iraq.

The US administration has failed to make a case that Iraq is a true threat. War in Iraq will lead to needless loss of thousands of lives both Iraqi civilians and US soldiers.

An attack would set a disastrous, destabilizing precedence in the Middle East.

An attack will lead to terrorist retaliations around the globe.

A unilateral attack by the US will undermine the power of the UN, the one institution that offers hope of global peace and cooperation.

2. FULLY PURSUE A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION There is a broad consensus in the world community ( including the US) that demands that UN inspectors be allowed enough time to responsibly conduct their mission.

If weapons of mass destruction are found, the inspectors’ job is to disarm. Why, then, go to war? Wouldn’t it be better to intensify inspections?

Effectively direct all UN sanctions toward the government of Iraq; Stop the inhumane punishment of the Iraqi people. The cost of continued inspections is negligible compared to the projected $ 200 billion cost of attacking Iraq. DO NOT ALLOW the United States to undermine the basic UN mission of international peace and security.

2. Write, Fax, Call or E-mail the UN: NEXT: FAX KOFI ANNAN: (212) 963-0071; AND Email KOFI ANNAN at: inquiries@un.org Subject line: "Attention: Secretary General Kofi Annan"

TELL THE UNITED NATIONS: FIRST: FAX THE SECURITY COUNCIL AFFAIRS DIVISION: (212) 963-7878 AND: Email: commond@un.org Subject line: "Security Council-Affairs Division"

PREVENT WAR

HOW?

Create a movement in support of the adoption of a Uniting for Peace Resolution by the United Nations General Assembly.

WHAT IS A UNITING FOR PEACE RESOLUTION? It allows the General Assembly to meet to consider the threat to international peace when the Security Council fails. The G.A. can then recommend collective measures to U.N. Members.

WHAT IS NEEDED TO PROPOSE A RESOLUTION? One U.N. Member State requests that a meeting be convened to consider adoption of such a resolution and if either seven Members of the Security Council or a majority of the Members of the General Assembly agree, an emergency special session will be called.

WHAT CAN YOU DO?

GET EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO BOMBARD U.N. representatives and other members of government with requests that they write to the Secretary-General to call for an emergency special session under the Uniting for Peace Resolution. Contact info for four strongest possibilities:

South Africa is CRUCIAL

South Africa

Permanent Mission of South Africa

Fax 212-692-2498

Malaysia

Mission of Malaysia

Malaysia@un.org

Brazil

Permanent Mission of Brazil to the United Nations braun@delbrasonu.org

Ireland

Permanent Mission of Ireland

Irlun@Undp.org



United Nations 333 E. 38th Street

1Dag Hammerskjold Plaza

New York, NY 10016 885

Story: Little Known UN Resolution 377 May Provide An Alternative Solution For Opponents of the US/UK War on Iraq

Steven Sawyer Political adviser for Green Peace International in Amsterdam is currently in New York monitoring the activities of the UN Security Council’s deliberations regarding the impending war on Iraq. Green peace and the Center for Constitutional Rights have called on the UN to use a little known Resolution 377 prevent the war in the case of a deadlock in the Security Council. PeaceWatch spoke to Sawyer today regarding how UN Resolution 377 applies in the case of Iraq.

Tape: Steven Sawyer Political adviser for Green Peace

PROPOSAL FOR AN EMERGENCY GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION EVOKING THE

"UNITING FOR PEACE RESOLUTION"

(UNGA RESOLUTION 377 v.; 7 October 1950).

AFFIRMING as in the Uniting for Peace Resolution that the first two stated Purposes of the United Nations are the following:

(i) To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace,and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity .with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace, and

(2) To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self- determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace, reaffirming that it remains the primary duty of all Members of the United Nations, when involved in an international dispute, to seek settlement of such a dispute by peaceful means through the procedures laid down in Chapter VI of the Charter, and recalling the, successful achievements of the United Nations in this regard on a number of previous occasions, finding that international tension exists on a dangerous scale,

Concurring with the Uniting for Peace Resolution, that failure of the Security Council to discharge its responsibilities on behalf of all the Member States, particularly those responsibilities referred to in the two preceding paragraphs, does not relieve Member States of their obligations or the United Nations of its responsibility under the Charter to maintain international peace and security,

Recognizing, as was noted in the Uniting for Peace Resolution, that such failure does not deprive the General Assembly of its rights or relieve it of its responsibilities under the Charter in regard to the maintenance of international peace and security,

Noting further that although there was unanimity in the support by the Security Council for UN Security Council resolution 1441, on Iraq, passed November 7, 2002, there was and continues to be an absence of unanimity related to what constitutes "a material risk"

Dismayed that two permanent members of the Security Council have without the consent of the Security Council or the General Assembly set up a no-fly zone in a region of Iraq,

Dismayed also that these two permanent members continue to aggressively provoke Iraq through their bombing in the no-fly zone, and through their building up of military offences in the border states surrounding Iraq

Aware that the five permanent members of the Security Council do

themselves have weapons of mass destruction and do not come to the UN negotiating tables with clean hands

Concurring with the Uniting for Peace resolution that under the

circumstances where the Security Council has itself failed to oppose an act of the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendations

Concurring with the Uniting for Peace resolution that failure of the Security Council to discharge its responsibilities on behalf of all the member states, particularly those responsibilities referred to in aforementioned paragraphs of the United Nations Charter does not relieve Member States of their obligations or the United Nations of theirresponsibility under the Charter to maintain international peace and security,

THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY

Will convene an emergency General Assembly session as provided for under the "Uniting for Peace resolution" to address the unprovoked aggression against Iraq and to support complete disarmament with UN inspectors being authorized to inspect and destroy weapons of mass destruction in the possession of all states including those weapons in the possession of the permanent member states of the UN Security Council

PROPOSAL FOR AN EMERGENCY GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION EVOKING THE "UNITING FOR PEACE RESOLUTION"(UNGA RESOLUTION 377 v.; 7 October 1950).

THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY

Will convene an emergency General Assembly session as provided for under the "Uniting for Peace resolution" to address the unprovoked aggression against Iraq and to support complete disarmament with UN inspectors being authorized to inspect and destroy weapons of mass destruction in the possession of all states including those weapons in the possession of the permanent member states of the UN Security Council



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Please forward this resolution to the following Emails.

UN Delegations Contact Emails

Armenia armenia@un.int

Austria austria@un.int

Azerbaijan azerbaijan@un.int

Bahamas bahamas@un.int

Bahrain bahrain@un.int

Bangladesh bangladesh@un.int

Barbados barbados@un.int

Belarus belarus@un.int

Bolivia bolivia@un.int

Belize belize@un.int

Benin benin@un.int

Belgium belgium@un.int

Bhutan bhutan@un.int

Bosnia and Herzegovina bosniaandherzegovia@un.int

Botswana botswana@un.int

Brazil brazil@un.int

Brunei brunei@un.int

Burkina Faso burkinafaso@un.int

Burundi burundi@un.int

Bulgaria bulgaria@un.int

Chad chad@un.int

China china@un.int

Columbia colombia@un.int

Comoros comoros@un.int

Chile chile@un.int

Congo congo@un.int

Cote d' Ivoire coted'Ivoire@un.int

Croatia croatia@un.int

Costa Rica costarica@un.int

Cuba cuba@un.int

Cyprus cyprus@un.int

Czech Republic czechrepublic@un.int

Denmark denmark@un.int

Djibouti djibouti@un.int

Dominica dominica@un.int

Dominican Republic dominicanrepublic@un.int

Ecuador ecuador@un.int

Egypt egypt@un.int

El Salvador elsalvador@un.int

Equatorial Eritrea equatorialeritrea@un.int

Estonia estonia@un.int

Ethiopia ethiopia@un.int

Finland finland@un.int

Fiji fiji@un.int

France france@un.int

Gabon gabon@un.int

Gambia gambia@un.int

Georgia georgia@un.int

Germany germany@un.int

Ghana ghana@un.int

Greece greece@un.int

Grenada grenada@un.int

Guatemala guatemala@un.int

Guinea guinea@un.int

Guinea-Bissau guinea-bissau@un.int

Guyana guyana@un.int

Haiti haiti@un.int

Honduras honduras@un.int

Hungary hungary@un.int

Iceland iceland@un.int

India india@un.int

Indonesia indonesia@un.int

Iran iran@un.int

Iraq iraq@un.int

Ireland ireland@un.int

Italy italy@un.int

Jamaica jamaica@un.int

Japan japan@un.int

Jordon jordan@un.int

Kazakstan kazakstan@un.int

Kenya kenya@un.int

Democratic People's Republic of Korea democraticpeoplesrepublicofkorea@un.int

Republic or Korea republicofkorea@un.int

Lebanon lebanon@un.int

Don't give up hope. Keep trying everybody. If Angelinos can march in the pouring rain, they can keep speaking out. Email the UN members above. Call them on the phone, but don't give up yet.

Anyway to get this sent over to moveon.org? Do they know about it?

check out some more info about Resolution 377 strategy:

http://www.ccr-ny.org

I received an email reply from one of the smaller nations. Here is an excerpt:

"Under any circumstance, before the omission of the Security Council in the true and legitimate fulfillment of its mandate, the General Assembly should exercise, in emergency, all the authority and power granted by the Charter for the maintenance of international peace and security."

Please, call, write, email, fax today the UN memebrs listed above.

He he he. The Liliputians talk tough.

Almost time to do some real estate speculating on the East side of Manhattan. Lots of office space to be vacant soon.

And good riddance.

>Resolution 377, “Uniting For Peace,” is a U.N. provision that empowers the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council cannot reach consensus, and there is a threat to peace or an act of aggression.

They pulled that crap, I'd look at them and say "Iraq is a threat to peace, and we're going to do something about it per 1441".

>This would empower the General Assembly to collectively stop the U.S./Great Britain invasion of Iraq.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Good Luck!!

>If Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary.

Military Force? And who exactly is going to take on the USA? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grasping for straws is entertaining but not very productive. We have a duty to protect ourselves, and that's what we're going to do.

>Chile, France, Germany and many many nations around the world......

Chile?? When the last time we consulted with Chile about our soverign right to protect ourselves? Chile!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn you people are amusing!!!!!!

This same UN wouldn't enfore 1441. What makes you think they will enforce 377?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't realise there were pro-Al Qaeda people posting here on Indymedia. Simple SImon is looking forward to New York losing billions of dollars in rents and suffering even more economic loss than they did before. It was bad enough after 9-11 in NYC, but now he is actually happy with glee in his voice that Osama bin Laden is winning.

And how do you think the U.N. will enforce this resolution?

Careful, you might just get what you ask for.

No, I am looking forward to making a killing selling prime real estate that hasn't been making any money for 60 years. Rooftop tennis courts, swimming pools, maybe a full mall in the atrium? Howabout "Appeasement Towers"? No, wait - "Coward Arms".

The UN condos coming soon.

>looking forward to New York losing billions of dollars in rents and suffering even more economic loss than they did before

Oh goody!! Now we got anti-capitalist claiming they have any sense of comprehension regarding real estate and the economy.

The UN building, after some renovation, would be overflowing with businesses wanting to rent or lease space. Grow up.

in general, USA people who have contempt for the UN just want the USA to control everything. so of course you would be too scared to just leave the UN without destroying it first. if you just left, the UN might unite against you. i wish that prospect wasn't so troubling to you. i wish you all would stop being so afraid to just leave the UN without ruining it first.

just leave. let the world finally cooperate.

look at the voting record of the USA in the UN. obstruction after obstruction after obstruction. the USA is a ridiculously heavy dead weight. really. check it out.

Obviously you haven't a) lived in NYC or b) ever been there. Real estate prices are at all time highs now. But if the market in real estate crashes, similar to the result of the exodus of the 70's, you'll be happy to know you only have to wait 20 years for the market to climb back up.

And you'll also be happy to know, that's exactly what OBL was hoping for. So yes, you are very pro-Al Qaeda. No doubt about it. And since you're obviously so interested in real estate, I can only assume you have money invested in OBL's brother's construction company and the Carlyle Group.

>if you just left, the UN might unite against you.

No. It'll fall apart.

>i wish that prospect wasn't so troubling to you.

Your wish has come true.

> i wish you all would stop being so afraid to just leave the UN without ruining it first.

It ruined itself.

>just leave. let the world finally cooperate.

They won't. They need US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or they can't see straight.

Are you aware that you're not making sense?

You said that real estate is at an all time high right now. So, if a big building or a couple of big buildings were to suddenly become available, one must assume that they would fill up quickly.

What is this supposed market crash that you speak of going to be caused by?

>Obviously you haven't a) lived in NYC or b) ever been there.

I grew up in Queens near Shea. Fuck off anti-capitalist!!!!

Uniting for Peace - UN RES 377

At the Three Hundred and Second Plenary Meeting on 3 November 1950 the UN General Assembly adopted A/RES/377 (V) "Uniting for Peace" UN resolution 377 allows the General Assembly to recommend collective action "if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security".

March 17, 2003

Tonight, on American television, President George W. Bush said that diplomacy was finished. I respectfully disagree. Chile, France, Germany and many many nations around the world have pressed forward, thru the UN, seeking non-violent alternatives to war as well as peaceful means of disarmament. Diplomacy is clearly not yet finished.

The international community must step in to avert a war in Iraq. Invoking UN Resolution 377 is one means to provide more time for the international community to continue diplomacy and dialogue. At the beginning of the 21st century, this very dialogue may change forever war as the sole means of disarmament.

Please consider contacting a permanent member of the UN either by phone, email, fax or mail. Addresses may be found on their websites listed at:

http://www.un.int/missions/webs.html

A pdf of "Uniting for Peace" Resolution 377 may be viewed at:

http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/landmark/amajor.htm

left hand column, 2nd to last box: A/RES/377 (V)

Below, I have included those email addresses that were available online for UN members. But given the urgency, there may be less than 48 hours before bombing begins, a phone call may be the best course of action.

Let the world Unite for Peace.

mission@algeria-un.org

ang-un@angolamissionun.org

emb.ismael.martins@angolamissionun.org

antigua@un.int

argentina@un.int

armenia@un.int

australia@un.int

austria@un.int

bangladesh@un.int

belgium@un.int

braun@delbrasonu.org

bulgaria@un.int

cambodia@un.int

info@cameroonmission.org

chile@un.int

colombia@colombiaun.org

congo@un.int

drcongo@un.int

croatia@un.int

publicrelations@cubanmission.com

cyprus@un.int

un.newyork@embassy.mzv.cz

nycmis@um.dk

undomrep@aol.com

timor-leste@un.int

eritrea@un.int

ethiopia@un.int

sanomat.yke@formin.fi

france@un.int

gabon@un.int

georgia@un.int

mission@greeceun.org

m.suazo@worldnet.att.net

hungary@un.int

ptri@indonesiamission-ny.org

ireland@un.int

itaun@undp.org

jamaica@un.int

mission@un-japan.org

kazakhstan@un.int

kenya@un.int

korea@un.int

kuwaitmission@msn.com

lao@un.int

lesotho@un.int

info@libya-un.org

ltuun@undp.org

luxun@undp.org

macedonia@un.int

malaysia@un.int

mdvun@undp.org

mexico@un.int

moldova@un.int

monaco@un.int

zerendo@un.int

nplun@undp.org

nzmissionny@earthlink.net

nigerun@aol.com

delun@mfa.no

Pakistan@un.int

misunphil@aol.com

stlucia@un.int

slumission@aol.com

saudi-mission@un.int

serbia-montenegro@un.int

sgpun@prodigy.net

skun@undp.org

slovenia@un.int

sacg@southafrica-newyork.net

info@spainun.org

suriname@un.int

sweden@un.int

PA4@eda.admin.ch

generalsekretaer@eda.admin.ch

turkey@un.int

mail@uamission.org

uruguay@un.int

vietnamun@aol.com

zambia@un.int

This same UN wouldn't enforce 1441. What makes you think they will enforce 377?

"You said that real estate is at an all time high right now. So, if a big building or a couple of big buildings were to suddenly become available, one must assume that they would fill up quickly."

Like I said Simple Simon, its pretty clear you've never been to NYC--you don't even have a clue as to how many embassies and consulates there are in the city. You think its just a couple of buildings and the uN building. Wrong. Way wrong.

There are 191 members of the UN renting or owning property in NYC for use as consulates or embassies. In addition, there are the members of their staff who also own or rent property. I believe at last count there were 225,000 people employed thru the UN in NYC. Get rid of the UN in NYC, and you will see a massive glut on the market of real estate. Add to that the new WTC office space, and NYC will be unable to find tenants to occupy all of the empty real estate. Most of the older embassies own townhouses on the upper east side. In the market for a little 10-15 million dollar place? Didn't think so and no one else will be either.

Oh, they'll enforce THIS ONE. Yeah, they'll put some real tough and non-ambiguous language in it like "immediate" and "serious consequences".

Nobody could misread something serious like that.

1441 was a resolution of the Secuirty Council, not the General Assembly. There is no veto power in the General Assembly.

>Most of the older embassies own townhouses on the upper east side. In the market for a little 10-15 million dollar place? Didn't think so and no one else will be either.

What's that got to do with anything? If they put them up for sale and they don't sell immediately, they still gotta pay to keep them. If they walk away, the city gets practically free townhouses to sell.

I don't care if there's 5 million people working for the UN. Tell them to move their ass to Paris. They can't move immediately, it'll take a few years, and in the meanwhile NYC can be making plans for their new appreciative tenants.

Powell came out and said we had 49(?) countries on board,

is that right?

Be seated.

Today class we shall discuss "Basics of Economics 101" I am Mr. Simon.

We'll start with a statement from little "..". Cute little dickens, but not a lot upstairs.

"There are 191 members of the UN renting or owning property in NYC for use as consulates or embassies. In addition, there are the members of their staff who also own or rent property. I believe at last count there were 225,000 people employed thru the UN in NYC. Get rid of the UN in NYC, and you will see a massive glut on the market of real estate."

Now, we'll begin the deconstruction of this argument by memorizing the first law of economics. Which is, class?

SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

Very good. Now, where were we? Ah, yes. Math. Let's do a little shall we? What's the population of Greater New York City?

7,322,564

Correct. And what is the number of UN leeches that will soon be leaving?

225,000

Assuming, of course that the entire staffs of the various embassies would actually leave NYC for Guinea, Cameroon, East Timor etc. rather than finding a good paying job at Subway, for instance. But never mind, let's continue. What percentage of 7,322,564 is 225,000?

A little more than 3%.

That is correct. So the economic impact on the New York economy would be an increase of the SUPPLY of housing and office space of a little more than 3%.

Now, if the rents in New York are at an all time high, an increase in available properties to the tune of a little more than 3% can be expected to have a commensurate impact on the economy. More plainly said, we could expect a depreciation of roughly 3% in rents collected. At the most.

Not exactly a financial panic.

Class dismissed. ".." stay after class and wash the chalkboards.

Like I said, anti-capitalist thinking they got any sort of clue about economics, what a laugh!

Yes ".."?

".." - blah blah blah

Of course. "..", before you clean the board you can be dismissed to empty the shit outta your underwear.

Perhaps you'd like to write to Mayor Bloomberg and let him know you favor an economic loss of .3 billion dollars a year to NYC businesses. Its not just the UN, its also all of the vendors who service the UN--hotels, restaurants, tourism, messengers, housing, etc. After expenses related to having the UN in NYC, city businesses earn approximately billion a year in revenue. I have to agree, you are remarkably anti-capitalist and pro-Alqaeda.

You have got to stop heating your home with kerosene lamps,

i think your asphyxiating on the fumes.

Those that think the UN is dead really are not listening to the subtle

of language diplomats. Bush said he hoped in the future that the UN could work things out, and Chirac said FR would assist if SH WMD the allies. (my words)

These are examples of how diplomacy still occurs even today.

Don’t be a fool and think Bush’s statement ended once 48 hours wasissued. There was no indication --it was an open-ended statement. Bush, and his cabinet know (even if you don’t), the UN will be a crucial player in the aftermath of an invasion.

What you will see in the next 3 to 5 months is negotiation between memberstates in the Security Council. Bush will come back and countries will begin to find ways to peace keep and fund this extravagant reach.