Someone forgot to tell this guy the cold war ended

Pro-war demonstrator shows off his hand made sign

Marcus points to tire tracs left by someone who tried to run him over

Is it just me or does the guy with the beard look like a paid protestor?

Anti-war demonstrators confront skinheads

Peacenick Chicks

What does that
have to do with the fact that I love nude and hairless Chinese boys covered in melted butter
Explain...

I am in the picture. I was that guy in the blue denim shirt and jeans. I had the privilege to meet Marcus and he is the one pointing to the skid marks. This guy is a true patriot. The anti-war sentiment is growing and I'm so glad to be a part of it.

Mr/ms "Ben Seatle" asks, "Where should we take the anti-war movement next":

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/34575.php

THIS is where he wants to lead you:

http://struggle.net/proletarian-democracy/pd.htm?benh=2

Hmm... been there, did that:

Nazi-SOCIALIST party
Baath-SOCIALIST party (iraq/Saddam)
U.S.S.R (Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republic)

So I guess the Peoples REPULIC of China is actually a republic...just like the good ol' US of A...?

...pretty fuckin' stupid...

Define "Republic".

Define "socialist"...

...this ought to be interesting....

ho-chi Ben Seatle seems to have defined it pretty well:

http://struggle.net/proletarian-democracy/

It seems to be a philosophy (an unprovable set of ideas) that sounds great in the Ivory tower class rooms lots of Oooos and ahhhhs from the parots.

But ya know it's funny, all these "socialists" go on and on abot the people this and the workers that...

Why is it they all seem to end up resembling military dictatorships? With starving people?

And why is it they have to build walls to keep their people >IN< ??

Well, I have to admit I was wrong...

...that wasn't interesting at all....

If it's such a great system of government, why do they have to build walls to keep their people IN?

Glutious Maximus, you are a hack!

A N A R C H Y G O O D F O R Y O U G O O D F O R M E
What is the meaning of ANARCHY?
According to the The Harper Collins Dictionary of Philosophy, the word "ANARCHY" is from Greek, prefix a, meaning "not," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "chief," "person in charge." The Greek words anarchos, and anarchia meant "having no government" .
The Encyclopedia Britannica entry for ANARCHISM says that it is, "...a social philosophy whose central tenet is that human beings can live justly and harmoniously without government and that the imposition of government upon human beings is in fact harmful and evil. ANARCHISTS are distinguished from Marxists and other socialists in that the latter believe that the state must first be taken over before it can "wither away"; anarchists are too suspicious of the corruptions of power to believe that this is desirable or even possible."
Both of these definitions have nothing to do with "violence" or "lawlessness" which people usually associate with anarchy. If fact, anarchy has more to do with a UTOPIAN VISION of people being able to get along peacefully without governmental supervision.
SO FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT REPUBLICS AND BULLSHIT SOCIALISM

>>UTOPIAN VISION of people being
>> able to get along peacefully
>>without governmental supervision.

Do you have an example of a society that has implemented and sustained this ideology?

There seems to be some disagreement among your fellow Anarchists regarding the exact definition of Anarchy. According to Mikhail Bakunin, Anarchy is "Stateless Socialism" http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/bakunin/bakunin2.html It has also been described as "Ever reviled, accursed, ne'er understood, Thou art the grisly terror of our age..." http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/emma/emma1.html It has not worked in its previous incarnations - what makes you believe it will work this time? I think all you will do is create CHAOS. Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it. Max

There seems to be some disagreement among your fellow Anarchists regarding the exact definition of Anarchy.

According to Mikhail Bakunin, Anarchy is "Stateless Socialism"

http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/bakunin/bakunin2.html

It has also been described as "Ever reviled, accursed, ne'er understood, Thou art the grisly terror of our age..."
http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/emma/emma1.html

It has not worked in its previous incarnations - what makes you believe it will work this time?

I think all you will do is create CHAOS.

Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it.

Max

Skinner,
You are a traitor to your people. You are helping the bush administration perpetuate the biggest swindle since hitler. He and his mob are taking over the american government for fun and profit.

Ever heard of the Reichstag fire of 1933? Probably not, it doesn't sound like you do your homework. If you did, you would be VERY speculative of the claims our government makes.

http://www.rense.com/general24/operationnorthwoods.htm

Read that. Yes I know its on rense and thus you don't trust it. It sites its sources though and they're good ones. No one ever "proved" the nazis set the reichstag fire either but its pretty damn obvious if you ask me.

What isn't even debatable is that the german people's descent in nazism began with the loss of their civil liberties. And it was done under the exact same pretense that our government uses today, except everywhere our government says 'terrorist', the germans said 'communist'.

Such short memory we have.

Read this too:

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/hr/nazi/Weimar02.html

Thats where we're going. Thats what bush and his mob are trying to do.

Make up your own mind, stop copying and pasting freeper crap here thinking you're going to sway some opinions or change some minds. You aren't. Rarely are matters so clean cut and binary as 'right and wrong', but we exist in one of those rare circumstances now and i beg you, please, as an american, do the right thing. Open your eyes, stop accepting everything crammed down your throat, blindly, in the name of patriotic nationalism.

Real american's don't invade other countries. Real patriots defend their civil liberties. Mindless drones just accept, and I say they do not deserve the right of calling themselves americans or patriots. They certainly don't have the right to judge me a 'communist terrorist loving traitor'.

Normally, you can get by just accepting our governments leadership. They're corrupt, self serving swindlers, and have been for a long time.... and generally, you can just ignore that and move on. But we're establishing some scary precidents here, and you have to ask yourself if you really support whats happening. And if you don't support everything about it, completly, you must oppose it, fiercly, right now.

And if you do support it, you should come up with some better arguements than some unsubstantiated crap you copy and paste out of an email or website or whatever. Use some common sense man.

BTW: No one supports me. No one gives me anything to do this. The $3 it took to make my signs came out of my wallet. The time i spend making these arguements are not done on anyone's clock. And I love my country, fiercly.

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well maybe, just maybe...

by POIO Thursday, Mar. 13, 2003 at 3:54 PM

Silent those that disagree with the Peacniks. My previous posting which goes to la.indymedia was deleted by them. Sure looks like silencing those that dare to oppose their views! “Wednesday March 12, 2003 Wed 01:24 PM” Peacenik say nay, we are not supported by Communist Worker’s Party, but it has been widely reported in various news services that A.N.S.W.E.R is funded by them and they pay for the big rallies.

They're removing your posts because you insist on using poorly formed HTML that's fucking up the rest of the page?

The sysadmin here seem to only censor as an extreme last resort, or in the case of technical

You! YES YOU, WITH THE 'HTML FOR EXTREME DUMMIES' IN YOUR HAND!

DROP IT! DROP IT NOW!!

I will bust out some funky javascript voodoo death grib on your punk ass if you insist on corrupting this forum with your halfbaked idiotic html anymore.

Not to mention the tripe you keep actually saying within your lame ass html. ANSWER isn't shit to me. And actually, the only time i've even heard of them is when they get trashed on this forum. No ANSWER love here.

Does this refresh your memory? The red poster with the sad looking child seems to be poping up all over the country.

Nor, honestly, do i give a rats ass. international answer can kiss my ass, but hey, if they're opposed to the war, GREAT. if they're financed by communists, i don't fucking care, they're still opposed to the war, and thus the senseless killing it would bring.

what the hell is so damn evil about communists anyways. I don't hear them banging their war drum. Like i could hear anything over the chickenhawks squawking.

Moreover, what the hell do they have to do with anything. You warmongering assholes just keep trying to lend credibility to your cause by attacking ours, more often than not by associating some other assholes with us.

I damn all of you, here and now. For what you're doing today, for what you're trying to get away with doing tomorrow, and the children you will murder the next day.

You are such an embarassment to this country, to humanity as a whole, and our high and might 'advanced' society. I am truly ashamed to be anything like you assholes.

I'm not much for religion anymore but watching all this unfold almost makes me wish i could believe in all that for the sheer satisfaction of knowing that when you do eventually die you will keep your date in hell.

But i fear that god is dead. I have utterly lost faith. We are, at best, a big fish bowl for "god" to amuse him/herself with. I suspect he/she is a toddler, relatively speaking. And every so often they plug a car battery into the waters, to see how many of us sea-monkeys belly up.

You greedy murdering treachorous bastards. And to think that half of you are commiting these murders and getting this blood under your nails in in the name of god, under the flag of goodness and compassion.

Worse than the damn crusades. I hate you all.

This is who the Pacifist what to protect. Pissed Off in Ohio, you need to craw back in your hole.

you might as well add Dracula and Satan to the picture.... sheesh.

you'll never convince anybody of anything if you don't show a little respect for reality.

For "by u" dont have dracula, but this is better.

Skinner Yeah you better break out that swastika, you assholes will be giving that bastard a workout soon.

And fuck you btw, despite whatever you may say, anti-war does not mean pro-misery.

He's sat on the burner for 10 years after we (?wtf?) left after kicking his ass the first time, he can sit on the burner another couple months as we restore our shattered european alliance and move in with international cooperation that we didn't have to pay for.

And that MOAB whatever the fuck it is doesn't need to be involved at all.

And if france wants more time to collect payment on a debt owed to them by iraq, then as our ally we owe them that. He's sat for 10 years or more, a little more time wouldn't be the end of the world. Some countries actually have realistic budgets that don't pull money out invisble hats, and as such need to balance their books.

Oh and madmaxim i was looking at that picture you posted a little more. Are you sure that's not cuba? Looks like it could be... in which case a communist supported activist group would seem to jive with a... communist government... go figure. For that matter, who cares if they recieved a donation from a commie. And you acuse us of playing connect the dots. Damn.

And reality check, all your propoganda still can't generate a link between osama and saddam. They're arab, thats it. The moment that starts making someone guilty of conspiring against us is the moment we have begun a new genocide.

Yeah better warm up that swastika... Fucking nazis

Pissed Off in Ohio,
doesn't take much jerking on your chain to get you dancing like a monkey. Better use some mouth wash before you kiss Saddam good night or he wont let you do him.

how about getting serious for half a second? how would you feel about another very successful terrorist attack on the USA? does it bother you? does it seem funny?

do you think that bombing the hell out of Iraq will make such an attack less likely? does it matter?

If we do nothing with Iraq is there any guarantee that there will not be another 9/11? I would rather take action instead of hiding in my house!

Dumb?
Yeah like it’s dumb to put a fire out with lighter fluid.
Only by bombing every single potential enemy in the
world into meat scraps will we be ‘safe’.

RealityCheckBounced:"If we do nothing with Iraq is there any guarantee that there will not be another 9/11?"

Is there any guarantee if we do ANYTHING in Iraq? Class?

No.

"I would rather take action instead of hiding in my house!"

If the action you take does not achieve the desired results, you might as well do nothing, or hide in your house.

Fools rush in where wisemen fear to tread.

geez, the way some USA people talk it's as if we were losing our marbles living in Beirut or something. like ohmygod - we've been through such hell we don't even remember what "safety" means anymore!

hello.. we're like the last people on earth who have a right to be so hardened.

it's amazing that the best argument that the ruling establishment can offer is like - "oh my god we're in hell. there's no way out. all we can do is just blast through as far we can!!"

SAFETY is a real variable!! you put on safety googles before you start cutting brick.

earth to pro-war people.. hello? anybody remember the real world?

We get to make three choice with every situation:
Right, Wrong and None. The worse is making none, you can't fix-it. So rather then make no choice, I rather Bush make the best possible which he has done.

Actually, by definition the worse choice is the "wrong" option...



...your argument just blew up in your face....

so if you make the WRONG decision, that's better than not making a decision? pretty unconvincing philosophy you got there.

anyway i see you've taken yourself out of the decision-making process. you want Bush to decide for you.

okay.. but don't expect anyone else to follow your pathetic example.

I haven't the slightest idea what you are grunting about...all I said is that your argument was flawed. By definition, the wrong choice is always the worse choice, you can bark or bray or crow like a halfwitted rooster all you want, but you'll have to do better than that .

hey KPC.... my message is directed at realitycheck. i can only type so fast.

Shit! No wonder I was confused...it's late...cut me some slack!!!

The choice Bush has made is to put maximum pressure on Iraq to comply with 18 UN resolutions. If we go to war is because Saddam has played his game of "Cheat and Retreat" for to long (12 years.) You slackers want to sit on your hands and do nothing, if it wasn't for the USA we would have gotten him to be this far in disarming. The truce signed in 1991 called for him to do it then. If Iraq had distroyed the WMD back in 1991 as they claim don't you think they would have made a big deal out of it so they could get the sanctions lifted. Why waited 12 years, they say oh by the way we did this back 1991. You guys need a Reality Check!

...now that sounds more like the barking or braying or crowing that I expected...

I noticed that your comments are basicly one liners with no real sign of any brain wave pattern. Do you think Iraq has chemical or biological weapons?

What kind? That's a pretty broad category that I bet you would include a strong cologne or a good cheeze in...

...and don't go gettin' all francophile on me, now....

Oh but dont forget about those remote control planes hannity was warning us about on the radio yesterday. I think they were pieced together by some fifth graders for their sience project. Reports are they are powered by lawnmower engines and held together with fabric and wrapped with tape. They were compared to planes built durring the wright Brothers era.
The propaganda never stops. How about that staged arrest of mohamad, Osamas right hand man, in Packastan.
The whole world knows this war is about Bush and his Junta filling their pockets and the pockets of all the US weapons manufactures like Raytheon and Haliburton.

The reason Russia, during the cold war, had so many starving people is because they were in an arms race with the US. These other countries like China, North korea, Cuba, etc., are doing the same. But it's important to note that these countries are not highly industrialized like the US or the other top 5 countries. These communist/socialist dictatorships are not what socialists like myself advocate. Look at Denmark or Sweden. Thats closer. Universal healthcare, education all the way to the University level, etc. is what we want. This can be done here by taxing the fuck out of the rich and cutting down our ridiculous military spending. PEOPLE BEFORE PROFITS

More pictures from Brea

Views from opposite corners, and opposite sides of the street - in Brea

Views from opposite corners, and opposite sides of the street - in Brea

Views from opposite corners, and opposite sides of the street - in Brea

I wouldn’t mind have a piece of that! Yea that wearing the bluejeans and black top, flashing the peace sign!

I see you got two choices.

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Views from the corners

by David Johns Saturday, Mar. 15, 2003 at 3:19 PM
dpjohns@earthlink.net

brea_montage.jpg, image/jpeg, 960x488

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?

by John Tuesday, Mar. 18, 2003 at 7:53 PM

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anarchy

by John Tuesday, Mar. 18, 2003 at 7:59 PM

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compromise

by John Tuesday, Mar. 18, 2003 at 9:00 PM

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Hey Reality Check

by loyalty demans dissent Saturday, Mar. 22, 2003 at 12:02 AM

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MR

by DAN COOK Sunday, Apr. 13, 2003 at 8:50 PM
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ceo

by hank hulkkonen Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 9:37 AM

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"Marxist Leninist Lice" guy

by Elaine Boyd Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 6:57 PM
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Cold War over yes, but

by Greumach Monday, Apr. 05, 2004 at 9:25 AM

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You are being used

by Greumach Monday, Apr. 05, 2004 at 9:43 AM

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