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This picture depicts two of the most beautiful, inspiring people on the planet. We desperately need to hear from peaceful warriors at this crucial time.

With World Peace on the Horizon, They must be remembered as our Forefathers of Peace. We should begin collecting these pictures of all of our Forefathers of Peace to replace the 1776 one of Empire Builders.

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Chirac... Hussein... a nuclear reactor...

Hey "name",
Rummy and Saddam are your heroes. Chirac and France ain't mine. All I want is their cheese, wine, and art.

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Some real freedom-loving Amerikan heroes for Bush Admirer.

Rosa - It's pretty lame for the Left to try and associate mainstream political views with the Nazi's or the Clan. It's what you do when you have no real arguments for the debate.

Those Klansmen are not American heroes. This man is American Hero.

Comrade Admirer, your posts do more than anything else on this board to point out in glaring clarity the ignorance
of our illegal oval office squatters supporters.
Das svedonya tovarish.

I find your picture to be very offensive. You have no idea what it means to be an American. People like you make me wonder why we are allowed to have all of these freedoms. If I controlled the laws, meaning of I was a dictator of the US, I would throw your ass in prison for life. People like you shouldn't have the same fuckin rights as the rest of us. You show a lack of appreciation for what all older Americans did for you so you could speak freely. What kind of Fucking person are you? Do I have to be racist to be a Patriot. I'll have you know that I wave the American Flag from my house and my car. I also volunteer for local charities, write to my representative about public policy, and I have many Arab Friends who are just as Patriotic. You Represent a minority of people who contribute next to nothing for the American quality of life. Posting that picture shows how you hurt people and you hurt your country. Why would you want to discourage people from being patriotic. What the fuck is wrong with your head? If you hate America so much, then get the fuck out you dumb ass bitch. Go somewhere else, but I guess you couldn't. When you would get there, you would probably find something else to bitch about!

OOOoooo, someone got a bit of salt in their open sore.
The Patriot would be very comfortable passing out flyers
in 1936 Germany. Maybe a snappy little brown shirt to go
with the jack boots.
Take a gun and start shooting, The P; put the barrel in your mouth first however.

source: political strikes

THE PHOTOS OF PEACE ACTICSTS INSPIRE ME A LOT. WHY NOT WE ALL TALK OF GIVING PEACE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD? LET ALL NATIONS ELIMINATE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION STARTING WITH US.

You blow hard about what our ancestors sacrificed in obtaining/protecting our freedoms. Yet you fail to acknowledge that this administration is overtly hatcheting those very civil rights you accuse people of abusing.

The real horror is that this administration is using the dead of 9/11 as cover to institute these sweeping changes which ensure that they The super rich) will emerge victorious in this class war. By limiting our right to dissent they eliminate the possibility of spreading the truth of their tactics. This is accompished through overt domination of the media by the conservative hegemons in their walled estates and by fear tactics which encourage the masses to allow a state of perpetual war to even be contemplated. Hey, who can take the time to watch the nominees to the federal courts, let alone the economy, when we're gearing up for war?

Open your eyes, people. This democracy is yours to lose and it's on its way out while you sleep. As Ben Franklin once said, 'Those who would sacrifice freedom for the sake of security deserve neither freedom nor security.' STOP BUSH NOW!

It's unfortunate that the Klan like to call themselves patriots, but the appeals of nationalism and patriotism come from the same place: a fear of the idea of a universal humanity.

History is history, and facts is facts. The power of the United States rests, in part, on a long racist legacy of conquest and domination of the world. I personally don't think that white supremacy is the root of imperialism, but it's certainly a part.

That's not to say that there isn't also part of America that's against racism. There certainly is, and it's the spirit of liberal democracy. It's the idea of civil rights and human rights (the rights of man, by Tom Paine). These ideas oppose the idea of nationalism and patriotism, and they were the core values of the American Revolution.

The latest issue of Harper's has a good essay explaining the power of the people against tyranny. It toppled the British Empire in India. It destroyed the USSR. It ended Apartheid in South Africa. Maybe it can work in Iraq. But, you can't bomb a nation into democracy... it must be carried out by the people, for the people, and can be done without war.

Iraqi travelers arriving in Syria with the latest news from Iraq say they do not fear a U.S.-led invasion aimed at ousting Saddam Hussein. They fear the opposite.

With memories still fresh of the bloody, brutal days that followed Iraq's defeat in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when many Iraqi Shiites rose up against Hussein only to be viciously crushed by his Republican Guards, the Shiites say their biggest concern is that America's resolve to remove him will falter.

"If the Americans try to reach Baghdad, all the people will come out on the streets to join them. What we don't want is for them to stop in the middle, so that the government can kill us again," said Zaid, 26, who traveled last week from the southern Iraqi city of Nassariyeh.

Iraq's Shiites, who make up nearly two-thirds of the nation's population, dominate in southern Iraq. If President Bush launches a war against Saddam, Shiite loyalties could be crucial to U.S. hopes for a swift and overwhelming assault by tanks and troops moving from Kuwait to Baghdad.

"We want the Americans to come, and if they come tomorrow it will not be too soon," said an unemployed 23-year old visiting from the southern Iraqi city of Basra. "People are nervous, people are afraid, we don't want war. But do we want to change the government and we will welcome anyone who comes to get rid of Saddam."

The Iraqi government apparently also fears that a U.S. invasion will trigger another uprising. Earlier this month, citizens in the south were told that when war starts they must stay indoors and keep their lights on at night, to prevent anyone from using the cover of darkness to stage a revolt, the Iraqis say.

In Nassariyeh, "there are extra soldiers and extra intelligence on every street. The government has asked the people not to leave their houses and to leave their lights on at night. If we go outside, we will be shot," said Zaid, who did not want his full name to be used for fear of reprisals when he returns.

Iraqis have been promised $5,000 if they kill an American soldier and $10,000 if they capture one alive, he said. Other Iraqis said the cities of Kerbala, Basra and Najaf had been given similar instructions.

Although their accounts cannot be independently confirmed, they offer a starkly different picture of the mood in Iraq from that obtained by interviews with Iraqis inside the country, which are always conducted in the presence of official government minders.

Those interviews are staged, as are the anti-war demonstrations that have taken place in Baghdad and elsewhere, the Iraqis in Syria insist, and concerns are mounting that the international groundswell of opposition to war will deter the U.S. from carrying out its threat to wage war.

"There are reports on the television that all the people of Iraq support Saddam, that they don't want war," said Aqil, 33, a tailor from the southern town of Najaf. "It just isn't true. If you don't go outside and demonstrate, the intelligence (agents) will come and ask you why you didn't go."

Many Iraqis travel to Syria, to trade or to visit relatives, and these days Shiites are arriving in larger numbers than usual to commemorate Ashura, the Shiite festival of atonement marking the death in 680 A.D. of the Prophet Mohammed's grandson Hussein and the split between the Sunni and Shiite branches of Islam. The Sunni regime in Baghdad prohibits Shiites from marking Ashura, and those wishing to observe it travel either to Iran or Syria, whose Seida Zeinab Mosque on the outskirts of Damascus is one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines.

Dubbed "Iraqi Roundabout" by local residents, the area swarms with Iraqis and with the distinctive orange-and-white taxis of Iraq dropping off pilgrims, traders and other travelers, many bringing boxes of dates or cartons of gasoline to sell to cover the cost of their trip.

Even outside Iraq, many say they are afraid to talk, citing the assumed presence of Iraqi intelligence agents in the Iraqi community. But in the shops and homes of friends, several spoke freely about their hopes for a war that will put an end to Hussein's regime, as well as their misgivings about America's intentions.

"Only those who get money from Saddam will fight the Americans - the members of the government, the Baath Party and the intelligence - and that's not a lot of people," said a taxi driver from Kerbala who stopped for tea at a small Iraqi restaurant after dropping off his passengers. "We've had him since 1979 and we're sick of him."

He, too, was furtive and fearful. He regularly drives between Kerbala and Damascus, and the Iraqi border guards routinely require him to inform on the Iraqis he meets in Syria. He did not want them to find out that he had been talking to a foreigner. "If this meeting happened in Iraq, all of us would be arrested, and not only us, the whole street," he said.

It is only the memory of the brutal repression of the 1991 uprising - and of what is perceived as America's betrayal of those who revolted - that has deterred Iraqis from rising up again against the government, said Ismail Khalil Ibrahim, who left Iraq three years ago but regularly meets with Iraqi visitors.

"The people of Iraq want war tomorrow. Ask any Iraqi, are you ready to take a gun and fight with the American soldiers, and he will say, yes, we will go in front of the American soldiers to Baghdad," he said.

Tens of thousands of Iraqis died or disappeared in the suppression of the revolt, which occurred while U.S. forces were still present in southern Iraq, and America's failure to intervene on behalf of the rebels leaves many Iraqis suspicious of U.S. motives to this day.

Diplomats in Damascus say they expect the experience of the failed rebellion to deter many Iraqis from welcoming U.S. troops until they are sure Saddam has gone, creating a potentially nerve-wracking hiatus between the outbreak of hostilities and the defeat of the regime during which U.S. forces will not be able to count on any support from local Iraqis. But once it is clear that U.S. troops are on the ground and are serious about ousting Saddam's regime, they are likely to receive a warm welcome, the diplomats say.

There are still huge uncertainties surrounding the likely reception of U.S. forces by the Sunnis who dominate the center of the country, in the area around Baghdad. Saddam has also reportedly been paying large sums of money to Shiite tribal leaders for their support, and even those opposed to his regime are said to be divided among themselves over the future of a post-Hussein Iraq.

But the Iraqis interviewed in Syria insist U.S. troops have no need to worry. "We will be angry with America if they don't come to remove Saddam Hussein," said Aqil. "They could have removed him before, and all the Iraqi people were behind the Americans, but they didn't do it. This time, we pray that they will."

Those were excellent posts by the Patriot and Liz Sly.

Left wing whackos are pretty much hung out to dry here. Thanks to Indymedia for setting up this open publishing venue where people like Patriot can explain the facts of life to leftist trash.

Bush Admirer,

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean there is no argument there. Some of the main tenets of Nazis and the KKK are wholly within the realm of "mainstream political views". Fascists have always embraced patriotism. The photo I posted speaks to this.

Does that mean that all self-styled patriots are fascists or racists? Of course not but, arguably, fascism is the ultimate expression of patriotism. The nation-state is a social construct, our shared humanity with the people of other "countries" is a biological reality. Interrogate your patriotism.

Yours truly,

Rosa

PS I don't think YOU are a "whacko" or "trash".

Dear Patriot,

Why is "my" photo so offensive to you? I would like to know just how an actual photo of a Klan rally shows a lack of appreciation. Is the Klan's patriotism offensive? And no, dear heart, I dont think you "have to be racist to be a Patriot." However, the two can certainly go hand-in-hand.

As far your imagined dictatorship goes . . . well I'm just glad you're not the dictator. Because I have little doubt that you wouldn't be true to your pledge of imprisoning dissenters. Sadly, it says a lot about you and your vision of patriotism and freedom.

As far as leaving the country goes--forget about it. I was born here and I have served honorably in two branches of the armed forces of the United States. I have as much right as anyone to live in this country.

Yours truly,

Rosa
Member, Veterans for Peace
www.veteransforpeace.org

I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country’s most agile military force—the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket all the time. Now I am sure of it.

Source: Smedley D. Butler, Major General, USMC (ret.), Congressional Medal of Honor winner, as quoted in Maverick Marine: General Smedley D. Butler and the Contradictions of American Military History by Hans Schmidt (Lexington: Univ. Pr. of Kentucky, 1987).

I am tired and sick of War. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have never fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is Hell!

Source: William Tecumseh Sherman, General , USA (ret.) from his commencement address at the Michigan Military Academy, June 19, 1879.

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I find that idea of those two old middle class hippies fucking one another
beautiful.
Have I mentioned
how much I like nude hairless
Chinese boys?

Actually, S. Brian Willson was not a hippie. He was a very conservative Born Again Christian. He took being a Christian too seriously, though--he actually believed all that stuff about Agape love and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Bombing women and children for corporate profits doesn't fit into that philosophy very well.

The danger in Bush's spouting off about Christianity is that someone might take him seriously and actually read the Bible. If most of Bush's supporters became Christians, Bush would be very scared!

"If most of Bush's supporters became Christians, Bush would be very scared!
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Most of them are. Plain fact. And why would he be afraid for others to hold his beliefs. This loser above is not a Christian. He's an unhinged opportunist. He's a Jimmy Swaggart without the business sense. He's a fraud.

you nutty "christian"faschist nazi bitch. Jesus died to save mankind , brian wilson laid his body down on military railroad tracks to stop the shipment of Wepons of Mass Destruction. At ronald regans orders they drove over jis legs. That christian brian Wilson has emulated jesus far more then any of your demon idols pretending to be christians. Is the devil not the great deciever, wouldn't he abuse christian faith for his imperial war mongering. It is unfortunate that most christians in this world do not get in touch with their holy book, and underfrickkenstand it.

I am proud to say I know well both comrades S. Brian Willson and fellow Marine Ron Kovic from mutual antiwar activities. Kovic and I met up in VVAW- 69-72 and believe me that meant we saw as much ground combat at home as we did in Viet Nam, as VVAW was broken up 'from within' by a fearful crazy draconian Nixon Administration. I joined Ron in the AVM which he launched to push forward early struggles for VA reforms. He is a solid man and I salute him publically. Oorah man- Salaam- Hoa Binh- Shalom! Brian and I were together when the Marine Barracks went up in smoke in Lebanon- it was during the fetid little wars being surreptitously fought in Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaraqua- I'll never forget his outrage and pain at the loss of life then. Both these men have paid the price- both these men have put their imprint on the peace movement- and I know they are very honorable men who I proudly claim as my own brothers! La lucha continua! HOA BINH Semper Fidelis- Ron and Brian, Semper Fidelis in peace! This TV War of Gulf II is intoxicatingly romantic- and even though these lightning events- the invasion and near capture of Baghdad complete with the sorrow of lost life- as in the recent UH-1H chopper from Marine Air Group-39 which was my own parent organization in Viet Nam, and dancing Marines in the desert- the backdrop is a snuff film- Iraqi snuffies being snuffed. I find it morally repugnant- and I guess so does the majority of the world including His Holiness Pope John Paul II- When will we ever learn?

I noticed on your website that you have the term "medal of honor winner." Last time I checked, you don't win a medal for honor. These courageous war heroes are awarded the medal of honor. It is not a contest.