9-4 the resolution passed. I do not have the text. Santa Monica had already passed one about a week ago.

REALLY, REALLY GREAT !

I hope this is true, but so far at least, I've not seen any news story regarding it, nor it being listed on http://www.citiesforpeace.org
can you provide some more confirmation?

now if they could only spend some time fixing the damn sidewalk, there'd be peace all over!

Peace in Middle Earth in our time

MINAS TIRITH (Gondor News Network) - Thousands of peace activists took to the streets of Minas Tirith and other cities of Middle Earth today to protest what they termed a rush to war with Mordor.

“We need more time for diplomacy,” said a key member of the Middle-Earth Security Council, Saruman the White. “I am not convinced by the evidence presented by my esteemed colleague, Gandalf the Grey, or that the Dark Lord Sauron presents an imminent danger to the peoples of the West.”

Many of the people protesting war in Mordor agreed with Saruman’s remarks. “Sauron says he’s destroyed his Rings of Mass Destruction (RMD) and that’s good enough for me,” said one fellow carrying a sign that said “Elrond is a Balrog.” Another demonstrator urged, “Give the RMD inspectors more time. There’s no reason to rush to any judgment just because Mount Doom is belching lava, the Dark Tower is rebuilt, and Osgiliath has been decimated.” A third protester piped up, “I haven’t heard a single bit of convincing evidence connecting the Nazgul with Sauron. I think they destroyed Osgiliath on their own initiative without any support from Sauron. Besides, it’s understandable they’re angry with Gondor. We haven’t done nearly as much for the Orcs and Goblins and Easterlings as the Nazgul and Sauron have. It’s understandable they throw their support to them. It’s our own fault really.”

As the protesters continued their march through the city, they chanted, “No blood for Mount Doom,” voicing a common sentiment that the leaders of the Western peoples are really seeking to get their hands on the powerful Mount Doom, where the One Ring of Power was allegedly forged.

Gandalf the Grey was unavailable for comment. A spokesman said he was in an undisclosed underground location, which sources have revealed is codenamed: Moria.

Every time a book(s) is made into a movie.
Did this guy just get over Harry Potter
and now embued with wisdom, tries to
create a metaphor and sound like a
clever boy? Weak, pitiful and shallow.

"Yeah! Local officials chiming in on Foreign Policy!
now if they could only spend some time fixing the damn sidewalk, there'd be peace all over!"

Well, maybe the extra $200billion dollars being spent to destroy Iraq would be use to fix up the sidewalks, hire the teachers for our schools, etc.,etc.

Another great idea from the peanut gallery!

It sure works for the military.
And their contractors.
And their CEOs.
And their stock holders.

Do the genepool a favor and go be a human shield...
Bon voyage.

Gosh Mark that was a real zinger.

No I'll do my fighting right here.
It's my country and I've got the honerable
discharges to prove it.
Bite me bobo.

You "may" have got an "honerable" discharge (though I doubt it), but you sure skipped the spelling bee, didn't ya?

I thought it was a zinger, yes. Thanks for the compliment!

...that Duhbya was using the U.N. Resolutions as one of his justifications for Conquering Iraq.

Your self congratulatory back slapping is a tone deaf commentary on your lack of perception.

By the way - Sheepdog is not the only Veteran with more than one Honorable Discharge to his credit posting on the side of humanity and reason.

Oh no!
MISSPELLED?
Tell me it isn't true.
( GASP!)
It is. (sob) now I must redouble my efforts.
Two honorable (is that better) discharges.
What do you have, a keyboard?

Great, a John Birch Society type a.k.a. Mark, has tried to enlighten us here at Indymedia. Might be one of my backwoods brethren here in Montana. they can hook up to the internet now.

These thugs are the lowest form of white man there is.

7 you really do a great job of presenting yourself as the condescending elitist scumbag. Keep going boy. I love Montana (at least Western Montana). And Idaho. Best people in the world live there. Shitbirds like you should stay in LA - the great plastic asshole of Earth - you deserve it.

Geez, the shills are out in force...and a little panicy, wouldn't you say?

Oh, and Pvt. Fido...

...make yourself useful, take a break from asslicking and go fetch SOMETHING will you?

I kick your butt so regularly, Mr. Mom, I'm bored of it. So do us all a favor and stop posting now. If you have to use the f-word go ahead, but then beat it, junior. The grown-ups are talking.

The angels of the earth and the spirits of the Indians walk proudly among you today. God and his servants have spoken. There will be peace and there will be justice. We have marched to the gates of heaven and met the opposition with open arms, those who knew the way. We have 30,000,000 of us angels active and many more who could not march around the planet. Let us march again for everytime we do we multiply tenfold. I saw them today, the Angels of Los Angeles, downtown. The spirits of burial grounds beneath the pavement. They were chanting, and rejoicing, for the coming of the creator is reborn in the hearts of all who seek peace and responsible minding of our precious Earth. We are all diverse, hunters and gatherers alike. And yet, from Ted Nugent and the NRA to the ACLU, we have all spoken on behalf of the wise constitution and the Bill of Rights as we have agreed to. We pledged our allegiance not only to a flag, but to the principles of justice and harmony in the papers that back that flag. For this Union is only an agreement on paper, and like so many treaties before, it is simply one we have not broken yet. Let us preserve those rights so that we not alienate any man from this precious union. So that they may see the dawning of a world, in which man uses his superior knowledge to solve problems without violence or raping of the Earth. Right or left, we are all touching the same ground.

Finish your chores and take out these elitist trash. Have you ever seen a bigger group of self-satisfied morons? :)

Did you say something, no one was paying attention?


...ooops, almost forgot,

.....FUCK YOU FIDO!

now back to your but licking!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

2 million people marched in Rome Grazi, manja that muther fuckers Capiche!

yeah!


good job. no fix some potholes.

DFTT (don't feed the trolls). ; )

Big Whoopee for the L.A. City Council.

These clowns have disgraced themselves and the city.

Now that they've shown their true colors, it's time for the voters to give them their pink slips and elect a whole new slate.

And no one cares.
Except monkeyboy admirers.

These right-wingers on here can cry and scream all they want, but it's too late now.

Sad, to see that they sort of live on here. Don't they have jobs? Oh, that's right, they're paid to be here. Still, they sound like they aren't really old enough to legally be working. Their parents must not know.

Anyway, nice to hear about this resolution! Now it'll be the cities vs Bush.

If these right-wingers want war, why arn't they in uniform fighting it? Kind of easy to be for war if your in the safety of your den behind your computer. Talk about wimps, rather than dodging bullets, these patriotic heros are dodging banner ads. Wow, real brave of them.

Meanwhile you, or your son will be coming home in a body bag: because of them.

Have you noticed, that these "heros" never do the fighting and dying; that's supposed to be your job.

"If these right-wingers want war, why arn't they in uniform fighting it? Kind of easy to be for war if your in the safety of your den behind your computer. Talk about wimps, rather than dodging bullets, these patriotic heros are dodging banner ads. Wow, real brave of them.

Meanwhile you, or your son will be coming home in a body bag: because of them.

Have you noticed, that these "heros" never do the fighting and dying; that's supposed to be your job."

A knowingly ridiculous argument. The choice to go and fight is not a option the MAJORITY of Americans have. To fault anyone is nonsense. In addition the VAST, VAST, VAST majority of those in the armed forces are excitedly looking forward to the war. It's what they've trained for and why they joined in the first place. No need to comment. It's simply fact.

Spoke to a friend stationed at Fort Bragg. He just go home from 'Stan. They told him not to unpack his bags. 7 men from his group have filed for divorce since they got back. 4 have been arrested from spousal abuse. He said that he wakes up in the middle of the night looking for his weapon.
He told he doesn't want to go back to that shit. He has been trained, and will follow his orders. He said soldiers can't think too much about why there are there.
I don't want my friend to die for oil.

Jim Jones' followers wanted to kill themselves and we called it brainwashing. Soldiers believe dying in combat will be honorable and we call it "training".

BRING THE TROOPS HOME...ALIVE.

xxx - I think your friends volunteered for the military and were not drafted. They signed up of their own free will. You seem to be saying they now want off the hook when the time comes to do the job they were hired for and signed on for.

Your 'no war for oil' slogan is like 'taxcuts for the rich' and 'Bush stole the election,' --->> All 100% Bullshit not connected in any way with reality. Just liberal propaganda with no basis in fact whatsoever - zilch, nada, none.

Your comment makes no sense B.A. - because a free citizen stands up to do their duty does not mean they signed up to go to war for Unocal in Pipelinestan or for Standard Oil in Iraq. Many of them probably volunteered for the same reason I did; that rather quixotic notion that they were signing up to protect their country from foreign agression. Instead they are being used as enforcers for the criminal cabal in the White House. The Oath I took was to support and defend the Country and the Constitution. I don't recall anything in it about Internation Oil Conglomerates or Securing backing for more profligate and unconstitutional spending.

GET REAL.

--> Your comment makes no sense B.A. - because a free citizen stands up to do their duty does not mean they signed up to go to war for Unocal in Pipelinestan or for Standard Oil in Iraq.

Diogenes - You've sniffing or snorting some strong glue (or whatever). This has nothing to do with corporate interests and nothing whatsoever to do with oil. It's about terrorism and public safety Diogenes. We're trying to shut down a dangerous player on the world stage.

--> Many of them probably volunteered for the same reason I did; that rather quixotic notion that they were signing up to protect their country from foreign agression.

That is what they're doing Diogenes. When someone foreign crashes jetliners into the World Trade Center, that qualifies as foreign agression.

--> Instead they are being used as enforcers for the criminal cabal in the White House.

Please stop snorting that stuff. There is no criminal cabal in the White House. This administration is the biggest term to term upgrade in US History. We have very strong leadership in the White House. Integrity has been restored to the White House.

--> The Oath I took was to support and defend the Country and the Constitution. I don't recall anything in it about Internation Oil Conglomerates or Securing backing for more profligate and unconstitutional spending.

There wasn't anything about that in the oath you took. There still isn't. It wouldn't be appropriate because those issues have absolutely nothing to do with this world crisis. The word is NOTHING diogenes, NOTHING WHATSOEVER.

I live near a naval base. When I talk to the young men there, guess what, they're not happy about going to fight and maybe die, and for what?
Iraq hasn't done anything to us. They didn't send planes into the World Trade Towers.
They didn't have 5 of their citizens arrested for video taping the burning buildings and cheering. They didn't have a network of "art student" spies living in every US town where those who did fly the planes were taking flight lessons.
Nope, they haven't done anything to us, nor are they a threat to us.
And as far as their neighbors are concerned, well, 95%of the Turks aren't worried, they don't want this war.
80% of the Europeans aren't worried, they don't want this war.
So why are we invading Iraq? What's the excuse, again?

John

I think GWB, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and the rest of the Bush Administration know considerably more than you do about the complicity of Saddam in terrorist activities. They have real intelligence sources. You have Pacifica Radio and Indymedia (what a laugh).

We have the first truly trustworthy leaders in the past decade. Let's let them do their job and lead.

The thing that bugs me about the left is that they speak as if they knew what they were talking about. They don't.

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I'm curious as to what effect (other than symbolic) a city voting for peace has. Does it send a message to the state government and then in turn to the federal? Is it simply a way of voicing a collective concern? I understand the symbolism, but does it go any further than that? Is there some legal ramification to this vote?

There's no legal ramification to this vote as far as I know. But is certainly IS indicative of the mood of the country. I don't have the time, but I would love to add up the numbers that these cities represent.
LA
Chicago
Seattle
San Francisco
Oakland
Detroit
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Santa Fe
Alberquere
Des Moines
Washington DC

Theres a lot more, I just can't think of them off the top of my head. There's a lot of diversity here; from the East coast thru the Middle West to the West coast.
And there's a lot of people represented by these cities; at least 20 million. Someone should add up the numbers.

BUT, clearly it IS significant.

I take you must be counting some people twice; maybe even 3 or 4 times. I think I know 2 people who are in favor of the Bush Junta's war. BA you are whistling in a hurricane. People are beginning to wake up to the legitimate questions as to why this war is being pushed. They are becoming aware of the fact that it was in the works before 911 and has no connection with the "War on Terra" other than in White House Press Hand-outs and the RNC's spin of the day.

With 52% Positives and 46% negatives I do not think you can reasobably call that 110%. It is about 4% above Impeachment proceedings.

As it stands now if the Election were held today and Bush was running against Al Bore - Bore would probably win decisively. And mind you I am not an Algore fan. As far as I am concerned "A Pox on both their Houses". However, there is no way you can make a case for widespread support. What you have is rabid unthinking support in SOME quarters. It is kind of like the Clinton Kool-Aid Drinkers arguing that there was no support for Impeaching Clinton. There was a lot and had Ken Starr not been loafing on the job (or more likely bought off) Clinton would have been tried for Treason. Maybe we can get it right this time.

We wouldn't be allowed to vote for them.

My comments are at www.lonewacko.com/blog/archives/000298.html

If I tell you that if you give me $100 we can go in and clean up Iraq, stop Saddam from oppressing
his people, and perhaps propel the Middle East forward a few centuries, you can respond in one of
several ways:
1 Bombing the crap out of them serves corporate intrests
2 Bombing the crap out of them makes many friends in liberated Iraq
3 Bombing the crap out of them makes us feel powerful
4 Bombing the crap out of them is safe from 60,000 feet.

There are many ways to answer that question, but apparently you missed my point. If the city council felt the same way, why didn't they say that? I can accept if they want to oppose a war on those grounds. I might not agree with them, but I think that's a bit more morally sound than deciding this issue based on selfish, NIMBYish grounds.

Maybe they were following the dictates of
their constituency.
If we relied upon them to do the right thing by themselves
it wouldn't be a democracy.

"As it stands now if the Election were held today and Bush was running against Al Bore - Bore would probably win "

No surprise there, he won the first time.

ps. Diogenes, you still looking for an honest man???
(good luck !)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 21, 2003

LOS ANGELES ADOPTS GARCETTI RESOLUTION AGAINST WAR IN IRAQ;
CITY BECOMES 104TH AND LARGEST CITY IN THE NATION TO PASS RESOLUTION FOR PEACE

Los Angeles: By a vote of 9-4 today, the Los Angeles City Council passed
Councilmember Eric Garcetti's resolution calling on the Bush administration
to pursue every diplomatic means available and opposing a unilateral war on
Iraq. Los Angeles Mayor Jim Hahn concurred in the Council's action, signing
the resolution the same day.

Councilmember Garcetti stated: "The City of Los Angeles has a long history of
taking brave stands on international issues of conscience. We stood up
against apartheid early on in that struggle; we passed resolutions in support
of the Baltic Republics during the fall of the Soviet Union. War, moreover,
is not only a matter of foreign policy. It will have direct effects on the
Los Angeles -- from the hotel workers who will be thrown out of work when a
war starts and our tourism industry halts to the federal anti-poverty and
housing programs which will disappear as our government pours 9 to 20 billion
dollars a month into a war effort."

Councilmember Garcetti continued: "This resolution makes Los Angeles the
largest city in the country to pass a resolution opposing unilateral war.
Whether in marches and rallies or in City Council meetings, the people's
voices have been heard." On two separate days, City Council chambers was
filled to capacity with supporters of the resolution, and thousands of
petition signatures were collected by grass-roots activist group Neighbors
for Peace and Justice.

The text of the final resolution, with critical leadership from
Councilmembers Ruth Galanter and Tom LaBonge, is attached. The middle
resolved paragraph (regarding Homeland Security and HR 764) was voted on as a
separate matter and passed unanimously by all 13 members present. The last
resolved paragraph (regarding funding for services for the homeless) was
introduced as an amendment by Councilmember Jan Perry.

For further information, contact Josh Kamensky at 213/473-7013.
R E S O L U T I O N

WHEREAS, any official position of the City of Los Angeles with respect to
legislation, rules, regulations or policies proposed to or pending before a
local, state or federal governmental body or agency must have first been
adopted in the form of a Resolution by the City Council with the concurrence
of the Mayor; and

WHEREAS, the Congressional Budget Office estimates a military action against
Iraq will cost the taxpayers of the nation between $9 billion and $13 billion
a month, likely resulting in further cuts in federally funded projects and
programs that benefit our city and its residents at a time when state and
local governments are in crisis; and

WHEREAS, that cost would be borne by the people of the City of Los Angeles,
who rely on federal funds for anti-poverty programs, for workforce
assistance, for housing, for education programs, for infrastructure, and for
the increased demands of homeland security; and

WHEREAS, we recognize that Saddam Hussein has perpetuated great human rights
abuses with aims contrary to peace, and that the United Nations Security
Council accordingly approved a program of weapons inspections; and

WHEREAS, the strength of NATO and of the United Nations rests on consensus
and the rule of law; and

WHEREAS, the United States should make every effort to work within the United
Nations framework and leave war as an option of last resort; and

WHEREAS, war in Iraq would take the lives of untold Iraqis, the vast majority
of whom would be noncombatants; and

WHEREAS, California is home to more veterans than any other state in the
nation, and Los Angeles has 597 employees, including 271 Los Angeles Police
Department (LAPD) officers, on military reserve who stand to be called to
active duty, and as veterans and patriots these brave men and women know well
the consequences of war and the human costs involved; and

WHEREAS, we support and appreciate the U. S. military personnel and law
enforcement officials serving at home and abroad against global and local
terrorism; and

WHEREAS, this unquestionable pride in and support for these brave men and
women, who know well the human costs of war, prevent us from sending them off
to war easily or lightly before exhausting all diplomatic means to avoid
combat, and

WHEREAS, the Council should work towards improving the quality of life for
all and enhancing public safety in Los Angeles and improving the City's
ability to prevent and respond to terrorist attacks,

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, with the concurrence of the Mayor, that by the
adoption of this Resolution, the City of Los Angeles URGES the President of
the United States to exhaust all diplomatic options available in dealing with
the growing crisis in Iraq and exercise great caution before resorting to
using military force; and OPPOSES a unilateral war against Iraq.


BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, with the concurrence of the Mayor, that by the
adoption of this Resolution, the City of Los Angeles hereby includes in its
2003-2004 Federal Legislative Program support for federal funding for the
initiatives outlined in correspondence attached to the file and support for
H.R. 764, the First Responders Expedited Assistance Act, and any other
similar legislation that would provide additional funding to first responders
in the City.

RESOLVE to INCLUDE in the City's 2003-2004 Federal Legislative Program
SUPPORT for federal legislation that acknowledges that veterans make-up 20%
of the homeless on Skid Row; these veterans served our country bravely in
past wars, sacrificing their mental and physical health only to be forgotten
upon their return and left to fend for themselves; we must remember them and
work to help them regain what they have lost. We must dedicate our attention
to the needs of the homeless in our city, promote a renewed respect for these
brave individuals AND make GREATER EFFORTS TO OBTAIN FUNDING FOR THEM FROM
OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and on a local level through the development of
permanent, affordable housing utilizing both Prop 46 and Housing Trust Fund
dollars.



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It is so wonderful, though very late, that the plight of the homeless is being recognized and remedies are being called for. Taking money from warfare and bringing it to welfare is the way to get true security. We need to be vigilant that funding comes and is used wisely, well and compassionately. The homeless.men, women and children, are victims of various forms of violence and abuse.They all suffer from various mental, physical, spiritual, emotional and financial illnesses. Great patience, understanding and love will be required from those who will come forth to work with them. These workers must be paid accordingly for their efforts so all can benefit and a community can be built. We must do as we will and harm none..as we will it, so mote it be!

Did your friend join the military or was he given a choice of joining the service or going to jail. If he joined, the first duty is to fight for your country, and if necessary die for your country. There are terrorist dying for "Allahahaha" maybe your friend and you should think of innocent civilians who are on the sidelines. Get a clue, War is HELL and some people (SA) need a visit.