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by sick of you - Afreen Hamid
Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003 at 6:49 PM
I can think for myself please
yeah go ahead. Say that im stupid. Whatever, but im pro-education. So when you tell me to be open minded, please know that just because im an activist that does not mean im going to support every other group that is an activist. I will see the truth no matter what, and I have seen the bullshit that this group ANSWER and NION stands for.
They bring people together under a blanket statment, and not once do they actually tell people what they stand for.
While we are it, how does ANSWER get all their money? while we are it, why don't the centralized leaders of ANSWER, IAC and Workers World not have a job? how the hell do you make your money?
Is it out of the buckets full of cash that you ask for at every one of your protests. Last Saturday I felt like I was at church, how many times can an evangelical Workers World Authoritarian Communist ask for a donation of money.
Either way time will stand to be greates test for all of you. If am wrong, I will be proven so. In the meantime I'll just sit back and watch you all treat people unfairly, become the authoritarian dictators that you are, be rude, be mean, not support anyone that might not agree with a few of your things, and try to boss, control, and overthrow any other groups that get in your way.
the blind become the bind in one easy lesson
Welcome to the official site of: Authoritarian Opportunists Who Cozy
Up To Genocidal Dictators - for Peace
(International A.O.W.C.U.T.G.D.F.P.)
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Please come to DC on Jan 18 to help stop Bush's unilateral war on Iraq
Every person counts --
make January 18 a massive gathering for peace
BUT FIRST learn a little about the group organizing the protest:
International A.N.S.W.E.R. is a post-9/11 creation of the International
Action Center, one of many front groups for the Workers World Party.
The Workers World Party:
» supported the Chinese government's 1989 Tienanmen Square massacre
http://www.workers.org/ww/tienanmen.html
» supports the "socialist" North Korean dictatorship of Kim Jong Il
http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/korea0425.php
http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/korea0509.php
» and views Iraq's Saddam Hussein as a beacon of anti-imperialist
resistance
http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/iraq0125.html
For these reasons, as well as Workers World's poor track record of
relations with other groups, some people refuse to attend A.N.S.W.E.R.
events, including the January 18 anti-war protest.
On the pro side, A.N.S.W.E.R. has proven skill at organizing massive
demonstrations. Most who attend the group's protests know nothing about
their actual political leanings and merely wish to express their
opposition to war in Iraq
And many people and groups who are repulsed by A.N.S.W.E.R.'s support
for genocidal dictators choose to attend their anti-war protests anyway,
because they feel it is so urgent to stop the Iraq war.
See, for example, Z Magazine's Q&A on the topic (A.N.S.W.E.R. is
discussed in #8):
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2527)
To help you make up your mind, we've assembled links to a range of
writings on the topic - some more factual, some more polemical, from
various points on the political spectrum:
http://slash.autonomedia.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/03/1946241&mode=nocomment&
Lengthy, detailed expose of International Action Center's politics
http://www.infoshop.org/texts/wwp.html
Anarchist critique of Workers World Party
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/50/news-corn.php
David Corn critique of A.N.S.W.E.R.'s October 26 D.C. anti-war march
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/10/16/protest/
Salon reporter's critique of A.N.S.W.E.R. and other far-left anti-war
groups
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2002-11/11dominick.cfm
A critical response to Corn and other A.N.S.W.E.R. detractors
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020513&s=featherstone
An example of A.N.S.W.E.R.'s relations with other groups
http://www.journalofaestheticsandprotest.org/1/BenShepard/index.html
Why the A.N.S.W.E.R. style of political mobilization is inherently
disempowering
brought to you by International A.O.W.C.U.T.G.D.F.P.
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by apache
Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003 at 9:54 PM
Yes, ANSWER and NION have a problematic past, but who doesn't, including the AFL-CIO, Greenpeace, the Catholic
Church, etc.
Everyone's made mistakes in the past.
These seems like petty beefs against groups that are not
asking you to jump on their bandwagon, but to participate
in a mass action to stop the war on Iraq.
Criticism is good for the movement, but "playa-hating" is
petty and divisive.
Just because you attent the 18th action or any doesn't mean
you have to join the organization. You can maintain your
autonomy.
This person's criticism is better suited for pathetic
left-bashers like the LA Weaklings.
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by see your point, but
Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003 at 10:00 PM
I hear your criticism, but your choice of critics
(Corn, Salon, et. al.) comes from moderates who
don't take a stand on anything after all. America
has no time for moderation anymore when the lives of
US soldiers and Iraqi civilians are at stake so think
about what you really stand for and maybe spend more
time criticising the powers that be in America rather
than those that are trying to challenge it, for whatever
reason.
By the way, why don't you ask Corn about his past
connections to the CIA?
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by ____.....----^^^^----........______
Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003 at 11:13 PM
the Zmag piece was written by Michael Alberts who takes plenty of positions (mostly from a left-libertarian/anarchist perspective). Corn/Gitlin/Hitchens are right-wing critics but that doesn't mean that they're wrong about this.
Facts: WWP/IAC/ANSWER support dictatorships. They're against the war on Iraq because Hussein calls himself socialist. They don't condemn his dictatorship. Ditto with Milosevic, Kim Il Jong etc.
Me? I condemn and oppose the US capitalist war drive which will only hurt innocent people in Iraq. I also condemn Hussein as a dictator and if any of the Iraqi people (who are openly and completely democrats) rise up against him I say we should flood em with free food and weapons.
It's their country and their decision.
ANSWER are weakening the anti-war movement by hiding their politics. I'm here in SF for the march in spite of the fact that I know that they're complete kooks and that this is one of the few things I agree with them on. Gosh I even clapped and cheered Martin Sheen when really I'd like him to self-combust for being a rich capitalist.
Criticize ANSWER and NION. Feel good about it. It's perfectly OK to do so and you make your opposition to the war more believable, cogent and forceful by doing it.
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by johnathan
Sunday, Jan. 19, 2003 at 11:08 AM
Funny how every time there's a well organised an effective organisation resisting imperialism, a defamation campaign begins. If one does there homework properly you will find that most of their claims are false and fabricated. We need to keep our eyes and ears open for provocateurs. If they spend a lot of time of bashing those who are serious about change then there is a lot of reason to be suspicious. One question should always be posed, whose side are you on?
State agents - Get lost!
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by uuhhh....
Sunday, Jan. 19, 2003 at 11:08 PM
if the boat is quickly sinking, it doesn't take a "brilliant organizer" to get people into the lifeboats....
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