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I am a real conservative

by Sheepdog Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 2:11 PM

True conservativism vs left/right fog

I am a true conservative.
Not a tax & steal neoconservative.
Not a neoliberal, worshiping global gun point trade and calling it “free” while I snort coke and drive my new car to my slave pen. (work site)
Not a fan of fools who would sell us out to the highest bidder.
Not leftist or rightist. A belligerent american who believes that the
words on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean something.
I don’t trust people who wield power and make decisions behind
layers of ‘national security’ for “our own good” and lie and lie
and lie then expect us to believe them at their word; then shun the light of public investigation while they line their pockets with the
taxes they find ways of not paying.
I don’t think corporations are people to be sheltered by laws made
by self-serving rats and weasels neck deep in conflict of interests.
I’m not about to rely on the state to protect me while I hide under the bed, helpless, waiting for the authorities to come and chase away or arrest the sociopath or crook. I can protect myself and my family and if necessary, my friends and neighbors.
Police are here to aid the citizens and not abuse their authority to comit crimes and act like an occupying army for the elite.
I don’t want my taxes spent on terror or torture that will eventually come home to roost because we let it happen to someone else and expected the victims to forgive forget and then work harder to enrich the entities that brought the horror and grief to their doorstep.
I can’t stand the idea that children (the only treasure we humans truely have) go hungry or die for no reason other than the fact that they are not privileged to wealth or power.
The poor deserve to eat and sleep in warmth and security with dignity and get the opportunity to better their life and our society.
I still believe the words that say government derives its authority from the consent of its people and exists to provide for their common defense and general welfare.
I don’t think we should have kings or emperors above the laws
the rest of us are required to obey.
Call me an American.
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thanks

by me Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 2:51 PM

that's cool, Sheepdog.

when someone calls themselves a "conservative," it might be a good idea to ask, "What is it exactly you think you're trying to conserve?"

There many kinds of "real" conservatives--the distinction is in what it is they are conserving. Most of those who call themselves conservatives do so because they are conserving wealth, power, systemic inequality, and lack of democracy. They are accurate in describing themselves as conservatives--they are conserving the status quo.

I like the idea of taking ths term and applying it to things that are truly worth conserving. Conservatives who call themselves so because they are conserving humanity, freedom, dignity.
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What's important

by das Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 5:58 PM

The most important thing is to conserve our precious American Dream.

That's the idea that anyone in America, no matter whether born rich or poor, has the opportunity to make something of themselves. Given sufficient intelligence, energy, and organization, it's possible to become wealthy. That's the American Dream -- the potential to go from the very bottom of society to the very top in a single generation.

That's possible because we have a wonderful thing called "Capitalism" It's also possible because we encourage what I'd call 'Entrepreneurs' to build enterprises and to innovate in the marketplace with better products.

A guy like Steve Jobs can go as far as his abilities and interests will take him. He can create jobs for thousands of people. He can create products that benefit millions of people. That's the magic of Capitalism.
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American Dream-or Nightmare?

by Anti-Fascist Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 8:02 PM

Obviously, "das" falls under the catagory of conservatives that only want to preserve the status quo-their idea of "American Dream".
These days that dream has become a nightmare. A Steve Jobs here, a Bill Gates there. A Rockefeller here, a Ford there-out of a population of, what is it now-275,000,000? Ask any Vegas oddsmaker, you have better odds winning a progressive jackpot or the lottery than you do joining this elite club playing their "entrepreneurship" game. And, speaking of Vegas(and Chicago), let's not forget "entrepreneurs" like Buggsy Cecil(sp?) and Al Capone. Then, of course, there's Enron, Worldcom, Consolidated Freightways(and still counting) in particular and Neo-liberal Globalization in general.

Ah, the magic of capitalism! Or is it really sorcery?
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Anti-faggot...

by LOve and a .45 Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 8:50 PM

Quit crying, you bitch. Why do you suppose all the wetbacks keep streaming over the border? Is it because this is a "worker's paradise", or because they can come here and make money? What about that beaner who invented a tomato-picking machine? He's filthy (pun intended...) rich, and now he's mayor of his hometown in mejeeco. You fucking pussy.
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faggot machines

by a faggot Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 11:01 PM

Dear Love...

did you know that the computational machinery you are currently using as tool for vilification and hatred was invented by the famous openly homosexual genius, Alan Turing?

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Alan Turing, the man who invented the computer.
[...]
British mathematician Alan Turing invented the field of computer science in 1936 - before computers even existed. He went on to create machines that broke secret German codes during World War II and contributed to the Allied victory over the Nazis. Yet, none of his achievements protected him when police discovered he was a homosexual.

Turing's mathematical talent was obvious when, at 13, he enrolled at Sherbourne, an upper class boarding school, but teachers there considered him a problem student. The faculty believed that a broad education was the best preparation for England's elite, but "problem student" Turing was a specialist who hated any subject that was not science or math. One English teacher decried his "unswerving inexactitude and slipshod, dirty, work" on his report card and other teachers worried about his future.

In spite of his "faults," Turing survived Sherbourne and went on to Cambridge. There, he met other students who shared his passion for mathematics. One was a math whiz named James Atkins, a man who appealed to Turing physically as well as mentally. Though the two never fell in love, their sexual friendship lasted for several years. At the time, many English homosexuals kept their sexuality secret, but Turing was open to close friends.

As Turing learned more about mathematics, he became absorbed by what was then a central question among theorists. Essentially, the question was whether the rules of mathematics could be absolutely proven. In 1936, when he was just 24, Turing published a paper that answered the question. The answer was "no," but non-mathematicians have been more affected by the way Turing answered the question than by the answer itself.

Turing based his argument on an imaginary machine that automatically solved mathematical problems. Turing showed that even if the machine's operator knew what all of the machine's inputs were and exactly how the machine was designed, he could not predict the behavior of the machine. This proved the paper's point, but more importantly, the "Turing machine" was the first mathematical description of a computer.

Turing continued his work in theoretical mathematics and tinkered with building computing devices for the next three years, but in 1939, Great Britain declared war on Germany and needed Turing's help. The Germans used secret codes that British intelligence analysts could not crack, and Turing was asked to join an expanded code-breaking team.

On Sept. 4, 1939, Turing arrived at a top-secret installation called Bletchley Park, outside a small country town. There he designed a decoding machine based on his theory, and by May 1940, a prototype was finished. The first machine was imperfect, but technical innovations led to improved machines that worked consistently. The messages Turing and his team decoded helped Allied forces win the war, especially the war in the Atlantic. The navy used decoded communications to track the positions of the German U-boats that harassed shipping between the United States and England and keep the vital supply line open.

While Turing was working at Bletchley Park, he met a mathematician named Joan Clarke. The two became inseparable friends, and even though Turing told her about his "homosexual tendencies," she said yes when he proposed marriage in spring, 1941. The engagement lasted through the summer, but Turing broke off the engagement in the fall to spare his fiancee the pain of marriage to a homosexual.

After the end of the war, Turing continued his work designing computers, first at the National Physical Laboratory and later at Manchester University. In Manchester, Turing discovered a cruising area popular with working-class men. He met Arnold Murray there and invited him to visit him later at his home just outside Manchester. Murray accepted Turing's invitation and spent the night. Turing offered Murray money the next morning, but Murray refused it on grounds that he was not a "renter."

A few weeks later, Turing's home was burglarized. When he discovered the burglary, he called police to report the crime, but he did not tell them that he suspected that Murray was involved. Later he confronted Murray, who denied his accusations, but fingered a friend named Harry. Turing and Murray went to the police the next day and told them about Harry. When police interrogated Harry, he told them Murray and Turing had a sexual relationship.

Police interrogated Turing at his home, and he confessed everything. At his short trial he pled guilty to "gross indecency." He was offered a choice between prison time and chemical castration, and he chose the latter. He endured estrogen injections that suppressed his sex drive and caused him to develop breasts from 1952 to 1953.

On June 8, 1954, Turing was found dead in his bed. The coroner was called but his investigation was perfunctory. Though there was no note, the jar of cyanide solution he found told the whole story.


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Hahahahahaha...

by Love and a .45 Friday, Dec. 06, 2002 at 2:05 PM

"Yet, none of his achievements protected him when police discovered he was a homosexual." Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
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What's so funny?

by Sheepdog Friday, Dec. 06, 2002 at 2:35 PM

J Edgar Hover was also a homosexual but the security apparatus he commanded allowed him to run the terrorists we know as the FBI.
Where is the justice?
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