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When the White Liberals Fail it is Time for the Militants

by Lloyd Hart Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 9:33 AM
dadapop@dadapop.com

We must teach these fascists that the overwhelming majority of people in the world do not think and act like them and in fact that Americans do not think and act like them.

When the White Liberals Fail it is Time for the Militants

By Lloyd Hart

After reaching the threshold where I can no longer tolerate the white liberal pretense of caring about environmental, labor, women's, minority and gay rights here in the US and abroad, I have reached the conclusion that it is time for militancy on these issues right across the board. The white liberals will say that militant behavior will ruin any chance that they have at effecting change in the democratic process. I would like to point out to the white liberals that they walked away from democracy completely and finally when they did not challenge the ethnic and political cleansing of the voter list in Florida in 2000, effectively turning their back on the black vote in America. The white liberals claimed that George Bush did not have a mandate but rolled over on every significant issue Bush put into play. And when 9/11 occurred the white liberals tossed the US constitution into the scrap heap of history by voting for a completely illegal piece of legislation, the Patriot Act. And now that the glaring and questionable circumstances surrounding the security failures on 9/11 need investigation as to why Paine Stewart got F-16s in ten minutes prior to 9/11 but four very large air liners full of just as interesting people didn't the white liberals roll over again. And again it is revealed that commerce and the stock market are the lie that we always knew it was, the white liberals can't even make it an issue in an election they bragged they would win.

When it came time to neuter the fascist in the white house the white liberals didn't even show up let alone show up with a message that could mobilize the left leaning voters to the poles. The white liberal cabal inside this bankrupt democracy that almost never crests above 50% of eligible voters is actually two different parties. The one that can't stomach the wing nut christian fundamentalists who effectively control the republican party, so they call themselves democrats but are actually fiscal conservatives who are in it just for the money and who by the way have succeeded through the democratic leadership council to drive all real lefties from the process . And the others who are corrupt lefties that were once idealistic but have succumbed to the will of the big donors and who are cowards to the bone when it comes to effecting change or the will of the people.

Now that aggression has proven to work for the right they will continue to use it while the sects on the left bicker on how bad a fascist Bush really is. The only hope in this situation that can galvanize the left wing sects is militant behavior in the streets. Show those American minimum wage earners that you are actually willing to fight, to lay your life on the line for their freedom. Human beings instinctively react in favor of those that engage in the defense of their human rights. When the person clad in black through the garbage can through the window of the starbucks in Seattle the average working person in their heart of hearts had a reaction of empathy with that act, consciously or unconsciously they react favorably for the simple fact that powerlessness is universal amongst Americans. Which is why Blacks and and Latinos make up the majority of low ranking members of the military, powerlessness. People have turned away from the white liberals and the white fascists by a majority in pursuit of base satiation of their needs, settling for much less than democracy and a much lower definition of their needs.

As always history is event driven and the speedy march toward the Bush Doctrine of global domination and military primacy will provide plenty of opportunity to display our resistance in a militant fashion but unfortunately the so called non-violent aspect of what should now be called the opposition movement instead of the peace movement as the white liberals can't effectively claim that label any more. The non-violent peace activists see property damage as an act of violence instead of what it really is, an act of self defense. Causing damage to the very things that are destroying our lives like this economic system where the very air you breath is being turned into a commodity tradable by the haves by stealing it from the have nots. Violence is when you physically harm a another not commit an act of self defense by throwing a garbage can through a starbucks window. I do however caution those that feel that they can no longer contain their anger to be conscious enough not to bring harm to others if they feel that they need to break something. I do however advocate when you are physically being harmed as in being aggressively struck about the head and body that you also act in your self defense.

I would like to remind the non-violent peace activists that Gandhi was assassinated and it was made to look like it was done by religious fanatics but was quite clearly the work of the British. Yes Gandhi may have succeeded in securing India's so called independence but you must remember that Gandhi did this with actions and promises that India would redistribute the wealth being stolen from Indians by the British. Gandhi, if left alive would have then turned his sights on land reform and redistribution of the wealth. This is why he was assassinated, unless of course you wish to tow the official line. It is also important to remeber that if Gandhi had to confront America Fascists he would have been assassinated much earlier in his career, you know, like Martin Luther King.

If you do not stand up against the destruction of this planet as the New Delhi Doctrine of Adaptation to global degradation is now policy, you are simply appeasing the myth of the Fascist Social Darwinists and the Radical Christian Book of Revelationists which feed off each other to acquire power. How can reasonable people stand by and allow the activities of only 25% of the adult population of America drive us to destroy our selves. How can this be. Well it can't stand, It won't stand. It is now time for the second American Revolution in which America must answer for the crimes it has committed in the name of empire. A revolution that puts an end to the destruction of this planet. A revolution that removes commerce as the central operating principle of humanity and allows the free distribution of food, water, healthcare and housing that nature provides us so generously. A revolution that halts the space program in favor of the bio diverse replanting of the world's forests that are the single greatest source of food, water, healthcare and housing on this beautiful planet. A revolution that allows a well regulated free market to operate only after the fulfilling of the basic human, plant and animal needs. A Revolution not of workers but of human beings, where women are equal in all matters and where race is a joyful difference, and where culture is an incubator for enlightenment not an excuse for oppression.

If we are to save our selves and all life on this planet we can no longer exist with the same co-operation in our own demise. We must challenge the deforestation lumber business and pollution energy business by making it impossible for them to do business. These two industries must change or perish under the foot of Revolution. If the deforestation lumber business and pollution energy business think they can use our children and our taxes for their public subsidized fascist colonial plans we must teach them that they are dead wrong.

We must teach these fascists that the overwhelming majority of people in the world do not think and act like them and in fact that Americans do not think and act like them.

I would rather die than let this planet perish. So now I am a Militant Revolutionary. Viva Revolution!
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it's time for revolution!

by David H. Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 10:09 AM
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I agree. this great nation has been corrupted by big businesses and wealthy white men. it's time to give the power back to the people. it's time to start over again, it's time for revolution.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 10:20 AM

I'm so pleased that you are now a 'militant revolutionary'. Now it will be easy to arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate you.

Have a nice day.

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actually

by rtf Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 10:26 AM

It would be even easier if he was a pasifist. And then the only difference is he'd be arrested, AND wouldn't acomplish anything.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 10:58 AM

...you boys haven't even taken office yet and you are already planning the concentration camps, huh Simpleton....

...my, what an obvious little goosestepper you are? Do they have little nazi cliques in the National Guard...do they have scary names & homoerotic tatoos? What is it like for American Nazi's these days, with all the bad PR 'n' all....
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Yeah, it sucks

by T-Mex Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 11:39 AM

to realize nobody sees things the way you do.

The American people must be idiots or sheep or lemmings to elect a Republican House and a Republican Senate.

(They couldn't possibly be making informed, intelligent decisions. . . if they were, they'd all agree with you!)

And, since you can't win people over with your arguments. . . you want to intimidate them into agreeing with you by force.

Before you start throwing around a bunch of molotov cocktails, killing people, though, maybe you should start considering the possibility that the American people are the ignorant, ill informed facists you believe them to be.

Unfortunately, the typical Leftist is far too self-righteous to admit that any one not on the Left could possibly have a worthwhile thought.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 11:47 AM

SheMex: "maybe you should start considering the possibility that the American people are the ignorant, ill informed facists you believe them to be. "

Is this a Freudian slip...I guess you really really do hold the American people in contempt, really....
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No

by T-Mex Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 11:53 AM

I don't believe in Freud. . .

I inadvertantly omitted the word "not."

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 12:03 PM

...inadvertant to the Ego maybe, but I feel your Id may be trying to tell us all something about what you really REALLY feel...


....really....

You think all Americans ignorant ill informed facist who can be manipulated to serve your ends...and offer up the election results as your proof...have the balls to admit it like a real nazi
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I know

by T-Mex Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 12:26 PM

I'm doing something right if the people here are calling me a Nazi.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 1:24 PM

I believe KPC was calling me a Nazi initially.

He has a limited vocabulary, so Nazi is quick to his fingers. If he had to spell National Socialist he would flub it.

As for your question above, KPC, I don't advocate 'camps' be constructed. The halfwit who started this thread says he is now a 'militant revolutionary'. If he is as good as his word (which he doubtless is not, Leftists talk, they don't act), he should be arrested when he acts, tried, and incarcerated if found guilty. I realize that the workings of American Jurisprudence may seem complicated, but there are tutors available, and books with lots of big pictures. Or, you could have your daughter explain it to you.

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Former leg

by Question Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 1:53 PM

I have a question. For Simple Simon. If you are an Infantry Platoon leader or better (I assume you are still in) is this what you do for kicks on you own time? I was also 11B2 and it didn’t leave me much free time.
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why?

by 48 Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 1:58 PM

why are we even talking about white liberals--they're about as relevant as white conservatives. And why "white"? I don't care what color they are--they're all just two sides of the same coin.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 2:06 PM

Simpleton: "As for your question above, KPC, I don't advocate 'camps' be constructed. "


...cause we already got 'em built and ready to go!
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 2:11 PM

BushBlower drags some ancient flotsum off the web and posts it as if its fresh or even relevant?

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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 2:36 PM

Actually Question, I am a lowly Squad Leader. Most of our time is given over to doing a lot of PT and IMT drills these days. They give us lots of time off between.
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Another question

by Question Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 3:12 PM

Are you on company time writing this material?
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Simple

by Simple Simon. Thursday, Nov. 07, 2002 at 3:28 PM

Negative Question. I have the day off.
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Answer to S. S.

by Question Friday, Nov. 08, 2002 at 2:36 PM

Well, Data pertaining to the time Simple Simon and Bush Admirer spend on this thread, I believe I have the org chart for which ever tax payer supported operation center they are dealing from.
11B2, right. Listen up sarge or corporal, you are having a nice cushy job in some air conditioned shed or building writing this spin at my dime. I did a breakdown on your time at IMC LA and I believe your rifle’s getting rather dusty. Day off, right.
I had to suck bucket loads of mud at Benning and Sleep in a
puddle at Lewis and you’re having a few days off. Sometimes
three days at a time. With a day off between shifts. Hey, I know, bucking for a promotion. Don’t worry, they love you.
Bush Admirer is your lap dancer and resident weasel. Also
probably due for promotion. An Army of one. With my taxes.
Maybe going into politics. I can hardly wait. I believe I know what you are and I wonder exactly why the fuss; your supervisor getting nervous? ( no gosh, I’m doing this because I have so much free time!)
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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:02 AM

Question.

Since you think you know so much, let me enlighten you.
I have served in the Army for 14 years. On active duty I served in the 82nd Airborne (3/504), the 3rd Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), and the 1st Special Warfare Group. I spent a total of 5 years on active duty.

Since ets, I have been a member of the National Guard. My unit recently returned from a 6 month deployment to Kuwait, mission: guarding Patriot missile batteries.

My unit is on a short list for deployment right now. We are training at an accelerated level, concentrating on PT and IMT.

I am an American Fighting Man, an Infantry soldier. A paratrooper and an instructor. You are an anonymous mudslinger and doubtless made up your 'leg' comment just to roust me.

I wonder, mr been-to-benning, could you tell me about Harmony Church or Sand Hill? Have you ever been to Phenix? I doubt it. I've never known a soft-in-the-head Leftist in combat arms. Doesn't exist. You are a fiction.

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And Furthermore,

by Question Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:06 AM

Your methods are slothful and sloppy as well as
incomplete and uninspired.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:10 AM

For a person with the name 'Question' you sure don't like to answer anything. I wonder why.
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George Orwell

by prole Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:16 AM

fought in the Spanish Civil War for a trotskyist trade union militia. they do exist.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:19 AM

Somehow I doubt that 'Questions' is a former member of POUM or the International Brigades. Oh, and those guys lost. The POUM were purged and executed by the Stalinists. Tender are the mercies of the Leftists.
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Incorrect

by Question Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:36 AM

My name is Question, not Questions.
I ask the questions, you answer them. I also offer advice and
mine is, consult your supervisor for advice on this one. Your
cover is blown not mine. Get off my dime ‘Airborn”.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Nov. 09, 2002 at 9:46 AM

You are a prevaricator, Questions. And like many other of your ilk, when you are presented with views you don't like you attempt to stifle them. You are not now nor were you ever an infantryman. I would be surprised if you were ever a soldier. You are, as I said above, a fiction.
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