Media Muslim Makeovers!

October 30, 2002

AFTER ALL THE speculation about the sniper terrorizing Maryland and Virginia, at last we have some cold hard facts. He is a Muslim. He converted to Islam 17 years ago. He changed his name to John Muhammad. He belonged to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. He cheered the terrorist attack of Sept. 11. He registered his getaway vehicle with the DMV on the anniversary of Sept. 11 – writing down the time of registration as 8:52 a.m.

Naturally, therefore, the mainstream media have decided the crucial, salient fact about sniper John Muhammad is that he is a Gulf War veteran. Thus, the New York times described the snipers as: "John Allen Muhammad, 41, a Gulf War veteran, and John Lee Malvo, 17, a Jamaican."

They are now hot on the trail of whether Osama bin Laden ever served with the U.S. military in the Gulf War.

To review recent events, last year, 19 Muslims slaughtered thousands of Americans on U.S. soil. Since then, one Muslim tried to blow up a U.S. commercial jet with a shoe bomb and another Muslim shot up Los Angeles airport. The Religion of Peace has also been active abroad, decapitating an American journalist and blowing up a French tanker. In the last few weeks alone, Muslims bombed a nightclub in Bali and were narrowly prevented from slaughtering hundreds of theater-goers in Moscow.

Inasmuch as the nation is at war with Islamic terrorists, you might think it would be of passing interest that the sniper is a Muslim. But you need a New York Times decoder ring to figure out that GULF WAR VETERAN John Muhammad is a Muslim. The main clue is the Times' repeated insistence that Islam had absolutely nothing to do with the shootings.

Wrestling with the freakish development that a practitioner of the Religion of Peace is a killer, the Times has even rushed to print with the completely unsubstantiated speculation that John Muhammad had recently rejected Islam. Experts explained that a "rapid and bizarre change in religious beliefs" is common among "serial killers." One doctor said a change in religious beliefs before committing violent crimes is "a fairly well-known phenomenon in clinical psychiatry," adding that he "was not diagnosing Mr. Muhammad's condition."

His condition? He's a Muslim. That's his condition and his diagnosis. It may be time to update the DSM-IV by adding "Jihad Impulse-Control Disorder" to its index of official diagnoses.

In addition to copious articles intimating that John Muhammad was practically not even a Muslim, the media have universally concluded that there is "no evidence" connecting him to al-Qaida. Of course, it will be difficult to find any evidence, having instantly pronounced the case closed.

In one hard-hitting investigative piece on Muhammad, for example, the Times produced amazing details from his life, including conversations with relatives, neighbors, friends and ex-girlfriends. The article droned on about how he met one ex-girlfriend – her job, her hobbies, her hopes and dreams. But when she said, "We stopped talking after he asked me about religion," the Times dropped the subject and moved on to the next topic.

After weeks of blithe theorizing that the sniper was an "angry white male" – based on invidious and offensive stereotypes – aren't we entitled to a little theorizing about Muhammad's terrorist ties? There is surely more evidence that he was a member of al-Qaida than that he abandoned Islam before carrying out the sniper attacks.

Emerging as al-Qaida's leading spokesman in America, the Times has also blacked out the information that the terrorists who seized a Moscow theater last week were practitioners of the Religion of Peace.

I note again: America is at war with Islamic fanatics. But in a prolix front-page article about the "hostage siege" in Russia, the Times referred to the Islamic fanatics who stormed the theater exclusively as the "captors," the "separatists" and the "guerrillas." One searches in vain for a clear statement that the Moscow hostage crisis was yet another enterprise of the Religion of Peace.

The only hint that the "captors" were even Muslims was the Times' dismissive description of Russian President Vladimir Putin's reaction to the terrorists' demands. Instead of acquiescing, Putin "cho(se) to cast the rebels as international Islamic terrorists." The Times knows a cheap political ploy when it sees one.

In one of the oddest attempts to soften depictions of Islam – the one religion the media respects – the Times has apparently banned the word "burka" from its pages. (Burkas have gotten such a bad name recently!) Instead, one reads only about the "burka-style gowns" of the Islamic terrorists in Moscow or the "burka-like robes" of women in Bahrain. (How about: The swastika-like adornment on the skinhead's forearm.)

Not to be outdone by the Times, CNN has valiantly insisted on calling John Muhammad by his Christian name. The night the snipers' names were first released, CNN's Jeanne Meserve repeatedly called Muhammad two names he does not answer to: "Here are the names. John Allen Williams, aka Muhammad Williams, and also a John Lee Malvo." Williams isn't his name. It's not even "Muhammad Williams." It is John Allen Muhammad.

After assuring viewers "we will deal with this carefully," Aaron Brown summed up Meserve's report, saying, "We will say again that these two men, John Allen Williams and John Malvo – and I'm not clear on the spelling on Malvo ..." While telling whoppers about Muhammad's name, he's fretting about spelling issues.

The next night Brown slipped and mistakenly called Muhammad by his actual name. He was quickly corrected by Kelli Arena:

BROWN: "And then it was sometime later that they got the second name, Muhammad or Williams, I guess."

ARENA: "Right, Williams."

Perhaps CNN should go whole hog and start describing Muhammad as a member of the "religious right" whose name is "Jerry Falwell."

She may not be much to look at, but I love her anyway.

Where's the beef? (A-rabs?)

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11

American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, crashed

into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of whom were

alleged hijackers or Arabs

CREW

John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A lifelong aviation

buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the close of the

Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979.

First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight 11's co-pilot.

Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts.

Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant.

Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas.

Karen Martin was a flight attendant.

Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant.

Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts.

Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts.

Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts.

Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts.



PASSENGERS

Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2 Software

Solutions. ,

David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer of the hit

NBC sitcom "Frasier."

Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and executive

producer David Angell.

Seima Aoyama

Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations manager

for Compuware Corp.

Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.

Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer.

Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California.

Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital emergency room

secretary.

Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts.

Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX

Cos.,

Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq Computer.

H

Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX

Cos.

Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10 grandchildren.

Patrick Currivan

Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts.

Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue Capital

Management.

David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts.

Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts.

Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney, Australia.

Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts.

Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire.

Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting.

Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment analyst for John

Hancock.

Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of operations

for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for more

than 28 years.

Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.

Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of MRV

Communications.

Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice president, for TJX

Cos.

Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts.

Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts.

Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with Netstal.

Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont, Massachusetts.

John Hofer

Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry.

Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn Management.

John Jenkins

Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts.

Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment specialist for TJX

Cos.

Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California.

David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior mechanical

engineer.

Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of Market

Perspectives.

Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California.

Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California.

N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts.

Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California.

Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai Technologies

Inc.

Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos.

Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston.

Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic.

Antonio Montoya

Carlos Montoya

Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She lived in

Framingham, Mass.

Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts.

Laurie Neira

Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with American

Airlines.

Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her husband,

Robert Norton.

Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his wife, Jacqueline

Norton.

Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology.

Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports and E!

Entertainment Television.

Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer.

David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta

Communications.

Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun Microsystems.

Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management consulting company,

the Ross Group.

Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston.

Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston.

Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Xavier Suarez

Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston.

James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett, Massachusetts.

Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts.

Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn Beug.

Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality control

engineer.

John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California.

Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut.

Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at Concord

Communications.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with

56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs.

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more than 20 years

of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer

on the flight.

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. S

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant

Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant

Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.



PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of

Health.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in

Washington.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School

in Washington.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las

Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at

ECOlogic Corp.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and

Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and

Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education

outreach program in Washington.

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American

Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of

Metrocall Inc.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of

Work-Life Benefits.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of

Genzyme.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the

University of California.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175

United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, was the

second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56 people on board.

No alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent.



CREW

Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy veteran.

Michael Horrocks was first officer.

Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant.

Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant.

Amy R. King was a flight attendant.

Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant.

Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant.

Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant.

Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant.

PASSENGERS

Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel.

Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting for the Los

Angeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts.

Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California.

Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's chief executive

officer.

Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse.

David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles.

John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the office of

information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

John Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant marine.

Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California.

Gloria Debarrera

Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston University this

year.

Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager.

Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts.

The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy Cross Church in

Easton.

Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts.

Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman.

Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student.

Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts.

Gerald Hardacre

Eric Hartono

James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of Netegrity

Inc.

Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co.

Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman.

Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine surveyor.

Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag, of

Germany.

Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse Cooper.

Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of geography at the

University of New Hampshire.

Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California.

Marianne MacFarlane

Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire.

Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut.

Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts.

Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director of human

resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in six months.

Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island.

Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse Cooper.

Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts.

James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine.

Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts.

Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts.

Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts.

Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad, California-based Rubio's

Restaurants Inc.

William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93

United Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California, crashed in

rural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged hijackers or

Arabs.

CREW

Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain.

Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board.

Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant.

Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant.

Wanda Green was a flight attendant.

CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant.

Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant.

PASSENGERS

Christian Adams

Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey.

Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer.

Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham Group.

Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student.

Marion Britton

Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California.

William Cashman

Georgine Corrigan

Joseph Deluca

Patrick Driscoll

Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey.

Colleen Fraser

Andrew Garcia

Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey.

Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good Housekeeping

magazine.

Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut.

Linda Gronlund

Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife

Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge.

Toshiya Kuge

Waleska Martinez

Nicole Miller

Mark Rothenberg

Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor Circle.

John Talignani

Honor Wainio

you have to be to be a Leftist.

We have a video tape of UBL bragging about the attacks. . . and scads of other documentary evidence. . . and the fact that (notwithstanding the Dog's list) they were on the plane (as confirmed by passengers aboard the planes by way of cell phone calls). . .

But to be a Leftist, you have to believe that ITS ALL A BIG LIE.

You have to believe there were no terrorists. . . the planes were crashed, not by hijackers, but by people in league with the CIA and Unocal!

It is very sad that the Left has been able to trick so many young, foolish people into believing this crap.

It is sad.

You really are full of crap on this one sheep. Fabricated lists of passengers. Weak. Really weak.

Yep, muslim extremism doesn't even exist. It's all a lie. It's the Oil companies trying to divert your attention from what they're doing.

Or some such crap.

.. of passangers.

Did you even try to varify ANY of the individuals?

Just curious. I certainly didn't fabracate the list.

Just drew it out from the net. Anything more commplete?

I don't have a list of the passengers from any of the flights. Neither do you. You have a list you gleaned from some conspiracy theory hotbed site. Call American Airlines and ask if you can get a passenger manifest. If your suggestion is that the government somehow managed to drive these planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, you are further gone than I thought.

What I have is the knowledge that numerous people from disparate backgrounds on different flights at the same time made frantic calls to loved ones in which they described their hijackers. I do know that the Arab world was largely delighted by the act, I do know that since that time numerous other Islamofacists have attempted numerous attacks against the United States, Israel, Australia, Russia, etc... I do know that many members of Al Queda have been recorded bragging about their participation in the events.

And I do know that the America Haters on indymedia will always find America at the root of all problems.

...BS from you.

Cell phone calls that are Far less verifiable is

less than nothing.

Stop being a tooter unless you can prove me wrong.

The names are there.

What have you got?

They're required to maintain the passanger list on

file. Don't spaz out.

Wow! Must have touched a raw nerve.

And yes, I do believe the U.S. government had

their hands on this.

I can wait. The suspicious will inherit the earth.

Is that Sheepdog missed out on the Hale Bopp comet UFO ride. . .

Don't try to bury me in white noise and squawking

-bump-

Is that Sheepdog missed out on the Hale Bopp comet UFO ride. . .

As nessary

Where's the beef? (A-rabs?)

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11

American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles,

California, crashed

into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of

whom were

alleged hijackers or Arabs

CREW

John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A

lifelong aviation

buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the

close of the

Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979.

First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight

11's co-pilot.

Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts.

Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant.

Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas.

Karen Martin was a flight attendant.

Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant.

Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts.

Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts.

Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts.

Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts.



PASSENGERS

Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2

Software

Solutions. ,

David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer

of the hit

NBC sitcom "Frasier."

Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and

executive

producer David Angell.

Seima Aoyama

Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations

manager

for Compuware Corp.

Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.

Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer.

Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California.

Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital

emergency room

secretary.

Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts.

Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning

manager for TJX

Cos.,

Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq

Computer.

H

Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning

manager for TJX

Cos.

Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10

grandchildren.

Patrick Currivan

Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts.

Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue

Capital

Management.

David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts.

Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts.

Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney,

Australia.

Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts.

Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire.

Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence

Consulting.

Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment

analyst for John

Hancock.

Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of

operations

for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for

Raytheon for more

than 28 years.

Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.

Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of

MRV

Communications.

Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice

president, for TJX

Cos.

Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts.

Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts.

Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with

Netstal.

Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont,

Massachusetts.

John Hofer

Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry.

Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn

Management.

John Jenkins

Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts.

Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment

specialist for TJX

Cos.

Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California.

David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior

mechanical

engineer.

Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of

Market

Perspectives.

Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California.

Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California.

N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts.

Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California.

Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai

Technologies

Inc.

Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos.

Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston.

Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic.

Antonio Montoya

Carlos Montoya

Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She

lived in

Framingham, Mass.

Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts.

Laurie Neira

Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with

American

Airlines.

Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her

husband,

Robert Norton.

Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his

wife, Jacqueline

Norton.

Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology.

Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports

and E!

Entertainment Television.

Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer.

David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta

Communications.

Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun

Microsystems.

Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management

consulting company,

the Ross Group.

Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with

PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston.

Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston.

Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Xavier Suarez

Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston.

James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett,

Massachusetts.

Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts.

Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn

Beug.

Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality

control

engineer.

John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California.

Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut.

Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at

Concord

Communications.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the

Pentagon with

56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs.

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more

than 20 years

of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the

first officer

on the flight.

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30

years. S

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight

attendant

Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of

flight attendant

Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.



PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S.

Department of

Health.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems

Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus

Middle School in

Washington.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham

Elementary School

in Washington.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High

School in Las

Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of

research at

ECOlogic Corp.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles

Falkenberg and

Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles

Falkenberg and

Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography

education

outreach program in Washington.

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired

American

Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense

Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating

officer of

Metrocall Inc.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National

Geographic Society.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein &

Fielding.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive

officer of

Work-Life Benefits.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE

Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the

Washington office of

Genzyme.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at

the

University of California.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175

United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California,

was the

second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56

people on board.

No alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent.

CREW

Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy

veteran.

Michael Horrocks was first officer.

Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant.

Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant.

Amy R. King was a flight attendant.

Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant.

Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant.

Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant.

Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant.

PASSENGERS

Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel.

Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting

for the Los

Angeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts.

Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California.

Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's

chief executive

officer.

Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse.

David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles.

John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the

office of

information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

John Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant

marine.

Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California.

Gloria Debarrera

Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston

University this

year.

Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager.

Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts.

The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy

Cross Church in

Easton.

Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts.

Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman.

Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student.

Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts.

Gerald Hardacre

Eric Hartono

James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of

Netegrity

Inc.

Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co.

Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman.

Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine

surveyor.

Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag,

of

Germany.

Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse

Cooper.

Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of

geography at the

University of New Hampshire.

Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California.

Marianne MacFarlane

Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire.

Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut.

Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts.

Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director

of human

resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in

six months.

Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island.

Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse

Cooper.

Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts.

James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine.

Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts.

Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts.

Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts.

Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad,

California-based Rubio's

Restaurants Inc.

William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93

United Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California,

crashed in

rural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged

hijackers or

Arabs.

CREW

Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain.

Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board.

Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant.

Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant.

Wanda Green was a flight attendant.

CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant.

Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant.

PASSENGERS

Christian Adams

Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey.

Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer.

Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham

Group.

Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student.

Marion Britton

Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California.

William Cashman

Georgine Corrigan

Joseph Deluca

Patrick Driscoll

Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey.

Colleen Fraser

Andrew Garcia

Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey.

Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good

Housekeeping

magazine.

Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut.

Linda Gronlund

Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and

Wildlife

Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge.

Toshiya Kuge

Waleska Martinez

Nicole Miller

Mark Rothenberg

Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor

Circle.

John Talignani

Honor Wainio

The government can't figure out what to do with the imaginary remains of the imaginary hijackers who weren't on the planes. . .

At some point, a sane man would say "all right, this conspiracy theory is nutz".

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON -- Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.

The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in U.S. history.

"I think in Islam, you're supposed to be buried whole, so I would take them and scatter them all over the place," said Donn Marshall, whose wife, Shelley, died at the Pentagon. "They don't deserve any kind of religious courtesies."

In New York, where the monumental task of identifying the remains of 2,823 victims believed to be dead continues, no remains have been linked to the 10 hijackers who crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center. About half the victims' families still are waiting for their loved ones to be identified, though it's likely many never will be, because so much of the site was incinerated.

In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.

Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the victims.

"It's a unique situation," said Dr. Jerry Spencer, a former chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, who worked 30 years as a Navy forensic pathologist. "The terrorists are usually not in our possession in the United States like this. The other issue is, will the families want them back?"

Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers -- but not identified by name -- through a process of elimination.

Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.

Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to an individual.

With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials said yesterday they had received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.

Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese.

Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI.

James Starrs, a professor of forensic science and law at George Washington University, said there should be public oversight of what the government does with human remains, whether they are criminals or victims.

Policies must take into account that there are cases where relatives don't seek repatriation of remains, including many examples of Americans killed on overseas battlefields, noted Starrs.

"Good persons or bad persons, you can't assume that the relatives are going to come to the fore and try to reclaim their remains," Starrs said.

Worried? Never seen such aa fuss

Where's the beef? (A-rabs?)

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11

American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles,

California, crashed

into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of

whom were

alleged hijackers or Arabs

CREW

John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A

lifelong aviation

buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the

close of the

Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979.

First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight

11's co-pilot.

Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts.

Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant.

Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas.

Karen Martin was a flight attendant.

Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant.

Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts.

Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts.

Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts.

Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts.



PASSENGERS

Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2

Software

Solutions. ,

David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer

of the hit

NBC sitcom "Frasier."

Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and

executive

producer David Angell.

Seima Aoyama

Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations

manager

for Compuware Corp.

Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.

Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer.

Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California.

Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital

emergency room

secretary.

Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts.

Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning

manager for TJX

Cos.,

Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq

Computer.

H

Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning

manager for TJX

Cos.

Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10

grandchildren.

Patrick Currivan

Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts.

Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue

Capital

Management.

David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts.

Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts.

Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney,

Australia.

Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts.

Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire.

Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence

Consulting.

Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment

analyst for John

Hancock.

Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of

operations

for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for

Raytheon for more

than 28 years.

Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.

Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of

MRV

Communications.

Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice

president, for TJX

Cos.

Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts.

Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts.

Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with

Netstal.

Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont,

Massachusetts.

John Hofer

Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry.

Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn

Management.

John Jenkins

Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts.

Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment

specialist for TJX

Cos.

Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California.

David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior

mechanical

engineer.

Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of

Market

Perspectives.

Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California.

Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California.

N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts.

Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California.

Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai

Technologies

Inc.

Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos.

Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston.

Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic.

Antonio Montoya

Carlos Montoya

Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She

lived in

Framingham, Mass.

Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts.

Laurie Neira

Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with

American

Airlines.

Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her

husband,

Robert Norton.

Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his

wife, Jacqueline

Norton.

Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology.

Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports

and E!

Entertainment Television.

Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer.

David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta

Communications.

Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun

Microsystems.

Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management

consulting company,

the Ross Group.

Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with

PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston.

Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston.

Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Xavier Suarez

Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston.

James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett,

Massachusetts.

Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts.

Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn

Beug.

Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality

control

engineer.

John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California.

Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut.

Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at

Concord

Communications.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the

Pentagon with

56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs.

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more

than 20 years

of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the

first officer

on the flight.

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30

years. S

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight

attendant

Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of

flight attendant

Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.



PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S.

Department of

Health.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems

Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus

Middle School in

Washington.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham

Elementary School

in Washington.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High

School in Las

Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of

research at

ECOlogic Corp.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles

Falkenberg and

Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles

Falkenberg and

Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography

education

outreach program in Washington.

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired

American

Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense

Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating

officer of

Metrocall Inc.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National

Geographic Society.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein &

Fielding.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive

officer of

Work-Life Benefits.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE

Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the

Washington office of

Genzyme.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at

the

University of California.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175

United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California,

was the

second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56

people on board.

No alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent.

CREW

Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy

veteran.

Michael Horrocks was first officer.

Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant.

Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant.

Amy R. King was a flight attendant.

Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant.

Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant.

Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant.

Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant.

PASSENGERS

Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel.

Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting

for the Los

Angeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts.

Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California.

Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's

chief executive

officer.

Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse.

David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles.

John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts.

Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the

office of

information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

John Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant

marine.

Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California.

Gloria Debarrera

Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston

University this

year.

Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager.

Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts.

The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy

Cross Church in

Easton.

Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts.

Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman.

Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student.

Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts.

Gerald Hardacre

Eric Hartono

James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of

Netegrity

Inc.

Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co.

Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman.

Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine

surveyor.

Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag,

of

Germany.

Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse

Cooper.

Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of

geography at the

University of New Hampshire.

Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California.

Marianne MacFarlane

Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire.

Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut.

Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts.

Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director

of human

resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in

six months.

Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island.

Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse

Cooper.

Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts.

James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine.

Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts.

Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire.

Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts.

Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts.

Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad,

California-based Rubio's

Restaurants Inc.

William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93

United Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California,

crashed in

rural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged

hijackers or

Arabs.

CREW

Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain.

Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board.

Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant.

Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant.

Wanda Green was a flight attendant.

CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant.

Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant.

PASSENGERS

Christian Adams

Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey.

Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer.

Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham

Group.

Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student.

Marion Britton

Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California.

William Cashman

Georgine Corrigan

Joseph Deluca

Patrick Driscoll

Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey.

Colleen Fraser

Andrew Garcia

Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey.

Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good

Housekeeping

magazine.

Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut.

Linda Gronlund

Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and

Wildlife

Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge.

Toshiya Kuge

Waleska Martinez

Nicole Miller

Mark Rothenberg

Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor

Circle.

John Talignani

Honor Wainio

there were 92 people on Flight 11, not 86 as reported in that list. Five of the 6 not listed were not listed for a simple reason: what you have printed is not a list of "passengers" but a list of "victims". . . the hijackers were not listed as "victims" because. . . well, they weren't victims!

Similarly, you'll note that your article says there were 45 people on flight 93, yet if you count, you'll see only 33 names!

In fact, Atta was seated in seat 8D in business class, as the Boston Globe reported. His buddy was right next to him.

Why were the names not listed on the first -- partial -- lists???

Quite simply, because the airlines did not release names until AFTER they had confirmed the identities and NOTIFIED THE FAMILIES.

That is s.o.p.

So, dog, you have been played for a fool by your Leftist friends. . . sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the sooner you learn. . . the better.

Dog, you should read this discussion of the hoax which you have fallen for. . .

http://home.teleport.com/~photoget/north_82.htm

And so concerned about what I had posted as a chum rum

for information. Christ what a racket you are making

about something I would think you would just attribute as

the rantings of a lefty.

I think you do protest far too much and far to vigorously!

I like that. Could be something here more revealing than

I had first thought on more than one level.

1. Where IS the passenger list? It's supposed to be a

serious record. Still no answer on that one.

2. Why WERE the flights so under booked; someone had lice?


I read the discussion. My questions remain.

Is there a discrepancy?

if you were kidding, I didn't get the joke. Maybe its on me.

Otherwise, I hate to see someone being conned by the Left's lies, and will always do what I can to help someone see the light. . . or the Right, if you will.

The passenger lists are evidence which the FBI took custody of. . . and which are part of the court papers.

Atta got on the plane under his own name. . . the check-in woman in Portland remembered him.

What you are propagating is the stuff of Urban Legends.

...I don't see you online debunking the one about the hand hanging from a chain on the bumper....

...but, gee, your panties are really in a bunch about this one...wonder why????

Yep, KPC and Sheepdip are right. All these flights didn't have any A-Rabs on them. Says so right here on Indymedia. And Mr. Mohammed in jail in Maryland is Mr. Williams. And Mr. Reid tried to blow up that plane with his shoe bomb. And a troupe of Wisconsin shriners seized that theatre in Moscow. And the A-rab who shot up the El Al counter at LAX was just upset at the outrageous price of tickets. And all those suicide bombers in Israel are just perfomance artists.

It's all clear to me now. The United States government blew up the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, invented Islamic fundamentalism (as a cover, natch), and have been shooting and beheading and otherwise making a nuisance of themselves so as to shift peoples attention from their real agenda of getting their hands on oil so they can sell it to some people. Yea, that's the ticket.

I wonder how many Fatwas it takes until the Left takes the Islamofacists seriously? It must be frustrating. Here you are a good Islamofacist, you're doing your level best to combat the Great Satan, and the lefties keep taking your best work and crediting the Bush administration for it. Well, at least the Left is dead-set against doing anything to stop you, so try try again...

Yep, you guys are on target as usual.

It's just that their record does not invite trust.

Why are the videos of those dirty high jackers as well

as the flight manifests not available?

SOME PEOPLE THRIVE ON SECRECY.

Usually because they are NOT to be trusted.

There is so little information out that some folks were

thinking 120 people had been on flt 77.

It's peculiar that you riecheis get so weird and spaz

out. I thought I had eaten one of your children by the reaction I generated.

Okay, now the story is yes, the FBI is protecting the

dirty A-Rab high jackers by keeping the records secure.

It's beginning to get clear to me.

Particularly when they were salting incriminating evidence

everywhere but my front door.

I particularly liked the passport(?) that was "found"

outside the WTC!

As church lady would say; " how conveeenent!"


I'm on the edge of my chair, breathless; waiting

for your enlightment.

Thank you.

It's remarkable the small shreds that the paranoid will cling to as proof of government involvement.

In 1993 a bunch of Islamofascists attempted to blow up the WTC. The transaxle of the rental van they used was found, it's VIN identified, and when the perpetrators of the act had the chutzpah to ask for a refund on the 'stolen' rental van, they were apprehended.

How Convveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient

It is sometimes the smallest of clues that lead to the solution of crimes.

Those that believe the government and not Islamofascists are to blame for the massacre on Sept. 11th refuse to acknowledge the behavior of the entire Islamic world, their press, and their own pronouncements on the subject. So eager are they to see the hand of the government in the slaughter of innocents that they turn a deaf ear to suicide bombers, theater hostage-takers, roaming snipers, airplane shoe-bombers, etc... It must all really be the government and governmental disinformation.

Your position is unassailable. If the government finds evidence at the scene of a crime, it is a plant. If the govenment fails to find evidence, then there is no evidence! My what a comfortable place is the mind of a drooling paranoid.

How come the FBI informent who was in with the

1993 WTC bombing (from the begining) didn't do his

job correctly? I mean, how come they needed to

come back in 2001?

...Jeez...those panties are really REALLY in a bunch now...

...We're just observin', right Dog??? Why you buggin"???

...let's see ya froth some more....

You can't have it both ways, Dr. Strangelove. Either the government is a master manipulator capable of pulling off incredible diabolical crimes without being successfully exposed, or it is a vast incompetent bureaucracy that can't run anything efficiently.

The Islamofascists don't care what party you are in or what ideology you subscribe to. They don't care that you are a tie-dye wearing Jerry Garcia fan. They don't care that you once gave 10 bucks to Greenpeace.

If you're not a Muslim you deserve to die.

Now what do you suggest we do?

But I prefer the theory of a core of evil assholes

who use the power of their "intelligence" service

to murder in order to promote their agenda.

And to expect the servants of these evil assholes

to cover it up.

I thought so. Must be difficult to live in such a dimension. The Illuminati always peeking in at you.

So now we bring in the illuminati?

Why not? Just gaze into the eye on that dollar...

You love the power, you love the power...

See? Things are getting better, better, better...