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GORE VIDAL CLAIMS 'BUSH JUNTA' COMPLICIT IN 9/11

by REPOSTER Tuesday, Oct. 29, 2002 at 4:29 PM

Apparently, Mainstream Media is starting to (kind of) suggest what many people here have always said: that the Bush Regime was complicit--if not directly responsible--for 9-11. IN this article in the British newspaper, the Guardian, Gore Vidal suggests that the Bush Junta deliberately allowed the 9-11 attacks to occur. Indeed, given the fact that many of the hijackers were trained at secure US military bases in California and Alabama, as well CIA connected flight schools in Florida, one can suggest that Vidal doesn't go far enough. Bush not only knew. Bush did 9-11...

Gore Vidal claims 'Bush junta' complicit in 9/11

America's most controversial novelist calls for an investigation into whether the Bush administration deliberately allowed the terrorist attacks to happen

Sunday October 27, 2002

America's most controversial writer Gore Vidal has launched the most scathing attack to date on George W Bush's Presidency, calling for an investigation into the events of 9/11 to discover whether the Bush administration deliberately chose not to act on warnings of Al-Qaeda's plans.
Vidal's highly controversial 7000 word polemic titled 'The Enemy Within' - published in the print edition of The Observer today - argues that what he calls a 'Bush junta' used the terrorist attacks as a pretext to enact a pre-existing agenda to invade Afghanistan and crack down on civil liberties at home.

Vidal writes: 'We still don't know by whom we were struck that infamous Tuesday, or for what true purpose. But it is fairly plain to many civil libertarians that 9/11 put paid not only to much of our fragile Bill of Rights but also to our once-envied system of government which had taken a mortal blow the previous year when the Supreme Court did a little dance in 5/4 time and replaced a popularly elected President with the oil and gas Bush-Cheney junta.'

Vidal argues that the real motive for the Afghanistan war was to control the gateway to Eurasia and Central Asia's energy riches. He quotes extensively from a 1997 analysis of the region by Zgibniew Brzezinski, formerly national security adviser to President Carter, in support of this theory. But, Vidal argues, US administrations, both Democrat and Republican, were aware that the American public would resist any war in Afghanistan without a truly massive and widely perceived external threat.

'Osama was chosen on aesthetic grounds to be the frightening logo for our long-contemplated invasion and conquest of Afghanistan ... [because] the administration is convinced that Americans are so simple-minded that they can deal with no scenario more complex than the venerable, lone, crazed killer (this time with zombie helpers) who does evil just for the fun of it 'cause he hates us because we're rich 'n free 'n he's not.' Vidal also attacks the American media's failure to discuss 11 September and its consequences: 'Apparently, "conspiracy stuff" is now shorthand for unspeakable truth.'

'It is an article of faith that there are no conspiracies in American life. Yet, a year or so ago, who would have thought that most of corporate America had been conspiring with accountants to cook their books since - well, at least the bright dawn of the era of Reagan and deregulation.'

At the heart of the essay are questions about the events of 9/11 itself and the two hours after the planes were hijacked. Vidal writes that 'astonished military experts cannot fathom why the government's "automatic standard order of procedure in the event of a hijacking" was not followed'.

These procedures, says Vidal, determine that fighter planes should automatically be sent aloft as soon as a plane has deviated from its flight plan. Presidential authority is not required until a plane is to be shot down. But, on 11 September, no decision to start launching planes was taken until 9.40am, eighty minutes after air controllers first knew that Flight 11 had been hijacked and fifty minutes after the first plane had struck the North Tower.

'By law, the fighters should have been up at around 8.15. If they had, all the hijacked planes might have been diverted and shot down.'

Vidal asks why Bush, as Commander-in-Chief, stayed in a Florida classroom as news of the attacks broke: 'The behaviour of President Bush on 11 September certainly gives rise to not unnatural suspicions.' He also attacks the 'nonchalance' of General Richard B Myers, acting Joint Chief of Staff, in failing to respond until the planes had crashed into the twin towers.

Asking whether these failures to act expeditiously were down to conspiracy, coincidence or error, Vidal notes that incompetence would usually lead to reprimands for those responsible, writing that 'It is interesting how often in our history, when disaster strikes, incompetence is considered a better alibi than .... Well, yes, there are worse things.'

Vidal draws comparisons with another 'day of infamy' in American history, writing that 'The truth about Pearl Harbour is obscured to this day. But it has been much studied. 11 September, it is plain, is never going to be investigated if Bush has anything to say about it.' He quotes CNN reports that Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle to limit Congressional investigation of the day itself, ostensibly on grounds of not diverting resources from the anti-terror campaign.

Vidal calls bin Laden an 'Islamic zealot' and 'evil doer' but argues that 'war' cannot be waged on the abstraction of 'terrorism'. He says that 'Every nation knows how - if it has the means and will - to protect itself from thugs of the sort that brought us 9/11 ... You put a price on their heads and hunt them down. In recent years, Italy has been doing that with the Sicilian Mafia; and no-one has suggested bombing Palermo.'

Vidal also highlights the role of American and Pakistani intelligence in creating the fundamentalist terrorist threat: 'Apparently, Pakistan did do it - or some of it' but with American support. "From 1979, the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA was launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan ... the CIA covertly trained and sponsored these warriors.'

Vidal also quotes the highly respected defence journal Jane's Defence Weekly on how this support for Islamic fundamentalism continued after the emergence of bin Laden: 'In 1988, with US knowledge, bin Laden created Al-Qaeda (The Base); a conglomerate of quasi-independent Islamic terrorist cells spread across 26 or so countries. Washington turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda.'

Vidal, 77, and internationally renowned for his award-winning novels and plays, has long been a ferocious, and often isolated, critic of the Bush administration at home and abroad. He now lives in Italy. In Vidal's most recent book, The Last Empire, he argued that 'Americans have no idea of the extent of their government's mischief ... the number of military strikes we have made unprovoked, against other countries, since 1947 is more than 250.'


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Mr. Vidal's

by T-Mex Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 5:40 AM

idiocy is multi-leveled, and no sane person would have the patience to go through it point by point. The following suffices to show just how moronic the gentleman is.

He says:

'Osama was chosen on aesthetic grounds to be the frightening logo for our long-contemplated invasion and conquest of Afghanistan ...

Osama was not "chosen" by the US -- he himself orchestrated the attacks, as he acknowledged in two videotaped statements.

Further, the US Osama was not the reason for the invasion of Afghanistan. . . IT WAS THE TALIBAN'S REFUSAL TO TURN HIM OVER TO THE US that prompted the invasion.

Could the US have somehow pressured the Taliban into refusing to turn him over. . . and thus signing their own death warrant??

Rod Serling has a replacement at last!

Going on with Mr. Vidal's latest work of fiction:

"[because] the administration is convinced that Americans are so simple-minded that they can deal with no scenario more complex than the venerable, lone, crazed killer (this time with zombie helpers) who does evil just for the fun of it 'cause he hates us because we're rich 'n free 'n he's not.'

The point has been made clear to everyone (except those who wish to adopt the 19 as their spokesman) that this is not about "have's" v. "have nots". . . both UBL and the 19 were all members of the elite. . . they are not the OPPRESSED, they are the OPPRESSORS, as demonstrated for their support of the horribly repressive Taliban.



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Someone who thinks G W Bush...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 7:23 AM

... is a leader, thinks someone ELSE is dumb?
WOW! That klown requires a crew just to wipe
his own ass.
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horribly oppresive taliban

by Project 2501 Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 7:40 AM

And what is your business if the taliban were oppressive or not?
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........

by ....... Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 12:55 PM

"Could the US have somehow pressured the Taliban into refusing to turn him over"

They did offer to do that, through an intermediary (Pakistan or Germany). Bush, of course, refused. Does he have Osama now?

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/07/ret.us.taliban/
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............

by ........... Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 1:31 PM

err, sorry wrong link. Good read anyway but that was an earlier offer to prosecute Osama in Afghanistan.

Here is the Taliban offering to suspend the rule of law and just hand him over without evidence:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4277056,00.html
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/terror/response/1088949
http://www.inq7.net/brk/2001/oct/15/brkafp_11-1.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/14/ret.retaliation.facts/
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by . Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 1:41 PM

Please, it's Gore Vidal. It's not like it's someone bright like that monkey for the Angels or anything.
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.........

by ........ Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 1:56 PM

I guess the trolls find themselves totally incapable of answering refutations of their points. I'm so surprised. (Yawn.)
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someone bright like that monkey

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 1:56 PM

At least you respect you peers
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typeo

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 1:59 PM

YOUR peers, the other bright monkeys
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Pakistan??

by T-Mex Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 5:09 PM

The Taliban could have saved itself quite easily. . . by turning UBL over to the US.

They refused.

And the author of the interminable Carribean now wants us to believe that was the result of Bush's machinations??

I take it back. He's not an idiot.

No one could be dumb enough to believe this.

What he is, is a demagogue, seeking to deceive the masses.

Don't be one of his sheep folks, use your BRAINS.
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They would have...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 6:02 PM

...if we had given them something besides
bull shit evidence. There still isn't any.
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...........

by ......... Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 6:31 PM

"The Taliban could have saved itself quite easily. . . by turning UBL over to the US.
They refused."

Uhhh, yeah. According to you. The entire world reports otherwise.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4277056,00.html
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/terror/response/1088949
http://www.inq7.net/brk/2001/oct/15/brkafp_11-1.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/14/ret.retaliation.facts/

Where did you hear that the Taliban refused? I'd like to know. Or did you just make it up.
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Show us your data

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 7:05 PM

and the base line questions.
I'm interested.
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,,,,,,,,,,,

by ,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 7:56 PM

Sorry, your figures are about two years off, BA.

I subscribe to Gallup Poll you might want to check it out. I don't know what strange little outfit you're getting your numbers from, but this week's briefing says:

"The Oct. 21-22 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll finds that 49% of Americans approve of the way Bush is handling the economy, while 44% disapprove"

Please provide your own source for these claims you are making. I'm really curious to see if you can prove, with a respectable source that is current for this week, that you did not just make those numbers up.

And yes, I am levelling that as an accusation. Defend yourself.
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........

by ........ Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 7:59 PM

err, ahem.
that paste ought to be
"Bush's rating on foreign affairs is somewhat higher, with 58% approving and 35% disapproving. A slight majority of Americans, 52%, approve of Bush's handling of the situation with Iraq."
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Think what they would be...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 9:20 PM

...if the american public had even a clue what
was going on; by having the media do their job
if they stopped acting like the watchdogs of their
masters and did some actual reporting and investigation. What a wonderful dream, the press engaging in public
information dissemination.
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hope

by john d. Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 10:32 PM
aaa1065@yahoo.com 1-818-885-5866

i went to the dc. indymedia sight and found the complete vidal article scanned there. it's awesome. it's hope to a person like me that there is such thing as truth in the world, and there is still such thing as brilliant thinkers in the world. bush admirerers should admire as much as they can while they can.
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If it weren't for G W Bush

by Sheepdog Thursday, Oct. 31, 2002 at 8:57 AM

I'd swear BA would be the most ignorant fool
I have ever witnessed. Could be the excessive
amount of fluride toothpaste it consumes.
Maybe a nudge would get the needle out of the groove.
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Christ, you waste my time

by Sheepdog Thursday, Oct. 31, 2002 at 4:04 PM

If you're going to try to debunk something
can't you stick to something like one
subject instead of flying around like a
drunk bat? Maybe you figure we'll waste our
time shredding your parroting the national review
point by point. Why bother?
It serves to waste your time not mine.
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I understand that he is a pompus asshole

by Sheepdog Thursday, Oct. 31, 2002 at 7:48 PM

kinda like you
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W F Buckley, that is

by Sheepdog Thursday, Oct. 31, 2002 at 7:52 PM

If I wanted to read that kind of condescending self-
serving shit, I would read Mien Kampft
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No wait!

by Sheepdog Thursday, Oct. 31, 2002 at 8:45 PM

I would be WRITING that kind of self serving shit.
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............

by ............ Friday, Nov. 01, 2002 at 2:19 AM

Bush Admirer, you speak of America's "unique" freedoms. Name one freedom Americans have (in fact and not in theory) that is to be found in no other country in the world.
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Speaking of Time...

by Anti-Fascist Friday, Nov. 01, 2002 at 7:07 PM

...these trolls seem to have a lot of that on their hands. They post here 24/7. Good time for us to start ignoring them-and focus on organizing against their pathetic wars.
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America's Unique Freedom

by More Blood for Oil Saturday, Nov. 02, 2002 at 6:11 AM

"Bush Admirer, you speak of America's "unique" freedoms. Name one freedom Americans have (in fact and not in theory) that is to be found in no other country in the world."

Americans enjoy the unique freedom to be bombarded 24 hours a day by Right Wing propagandists, Tele-bimbos, Jesus Freaks, and patriotic Made- for-TV Demagogues whose stupidity is only matched by the self-righteousness of their delusion.



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What's really pathetic

by Thought Police Saturday, Nov. 02, 2002 at 8:09 AM

What's really pathetic is the disinformation being cranked out by salon.com, pacifica.org, indymedia.org, etc. This stuff is nothing more than anti-American propoganda.
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GEE THANKS!

by Sheepdog Saturday, Nov. 02, 2002 at 1:43 PM

I'd forgotten about salon.com
BTW, how can one be anti-american by exercising
your american rights?
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Back to the original point of this article...

by Anza Saturday, Nov. 02, 2002 at 4:19 PM

..check out "from the wilderness" to see a timeline of events leading up to 9/11 and beyond.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com

Quite a bit of evidence indicating that Bush knew or at least let 9/11 happen. Cranking up the fear, so they can pass their extreme agenda is what it's all about. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
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bush did 9-11

by c.u.r.e. Friday, Dec. 20, 2002 at 11:06 AM

I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. I KNOW MYSELF AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD KNEW AS SOON AS IT HAD HAPPEN. THAT BUSH HAD AUTHORIZE THE ATTACKS. IN ORDER TO INCREASE HIS SPONSERS SUPPLIES OF OIL. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO GET THE REAL NEWS. WHEN YOU HAVE A STATE RUN NEWS OUTLET. YET THERE IS SOME NEWS AGENCIES THAT ARE NOT STATE RUN. YET EVEN WITH THE NEWS THAT WAS LEAKED OUT YOU COULD SEE THAT HE WAS BEHIND IT, IF YOU HAD ANY BRAINS OF YOUR OWN.
LOOK AT THIS GUY OR GAL THAT CALL THEMSELVES THE BUSH ADMIRER, WHAT THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT ADMIRE ABOUT HIM. HE NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES. HE WASN'T VOTED IN. HE WAS DICTATED IN SO THERE FORE IS THE DICTATOR OF THE US.
BUSH AND HIS CRONNIES HAVE BROKEN MANY NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAWS. AND ARE THEY HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AS OF YET NO.
ARE THEY REALLY OUT TO FIGHT TERROR? NO
THE US KNOW THAT THE VIDEO THAT SHOWED BIN LADEN SAYING HE DID THE ATTACK ON THE WTC THE FIRST TIME WAS EDITED TO TRY AND SHOW THAT HE HAD ORDERED THE SECOND ATTACK. WHICH HE HAD PLANNLY STATED HE HAD NOT.ONE THING THAT TEERORIST ARE GOOD FOR IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
THE US KNEW THAT BIN LADEN WAS NOT IN THE MOUNTAINS DURING THE ATTACKS IN AFGANISAN
YET AT HIS HOUSE AND MADE NO EFFORT TO ATTACK OR CAPTURE. HE WAS ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
THEY ALSO KNEW WERE HAD GONE. THEY EVEN KNEW THAT HE AND ALL THE OTHER SO CALLED TERRORISTS LEADERS WERE AT A INTERNATIONAL MEETING. AND IF WE WERE TRULY FIGHTING TERROR WE COULD HAVE GOT ALL OR MOST IN ONE FOUL SWOOP. YET NO.
WORD CAME OUT YESTERDAY LISTING ALL AMERICAN AND INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE SUPPLING ILLEGAL WEAPONS AND EQUIPTMENT TO IRAQ. AND IS IT ON THE NEWS NO.
THE US DELETED INFORMATION FROM THE IRAQ WEAPONS REPORT TO FUTHER THEIR PLANS.IT'S IN THE NEWS YET NO REACTION TO THE PEOPLE OF THE US.THEY SEEM TO BE SO BRAINWASHED BY BUSH BABY AND HIS CRONNIES. IT'S SAD TO SEE THIS IS THE AMERCIA WE WILL LEAVE FOR OUR CHILDERN. SAD INDEED.
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by lynx-11 Friday, Dec. 20, 2002 at 12:44 PM


http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/vidalframe.html>Gore Vidal index

http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/VidalTranscript.html>interview

http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/perpetual.html>Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace

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Assistant Professor of Applied Linguistics

by D. Broudy Monday, Feb. 24, 2003 at 11:25 PM

The knee-jerk reactions and consequent ad hominem labels pasted on Gore Vidal by his detractors illustrate the extent to which the American mass media machine has washed the brains of the American media-consuming public. The only viable remedy to Vidal's cogent analysis of the status quo is to attack him.
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Bush Admirer

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2003 at 8:02 PM

Okay, no more Viagra jokes (prudes) but I hope you got
the point. At least you're being balanced.
Now as to this constant yammer from the monkeyboy
about
Amy Goodman
Ralph Nader
Gore Vidal
Noam Chomsky
to name a few of the terrors that keep the monkeyboy's
night light on.
It never ceases to amaze me that someone who cheerleads
a coke snorting, AWOL, effete, lying, murderous, treasonous
fool would have the unmitigated gall to infer or accuse
ANYONE ELSE of being dumb.
Particularly one who subscribes to the wacko conspiracy theory involving 19 invisible superterrorists with magic passports some of which who rise from the dead and
transport themselves through time and space back to their place of origin.
If he picks his nose any more the air in his head will leak out.
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Funny monkey

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2003 at 8:24 PM

Funny monkey...
leadingthecharge.jpgt45822.jpg, image/jpeg, 758x529

Which way did they go?
No comparison at all.
GWB, criminal rich useless and stupid.
Great if you like that sort of role model.
Why, YOU are probably more intelligent, which is no compliment to you.
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Vidal is a moron

by level headed Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 12:11 PM

Funny thing all you Bush bashers. You keep trying to force the same points over and over but with no avail. Bush has more intellect than all of you and you’re very well aware of it, otherwise you would move on to points that could argue your ideas more effectively. I've found the quickest way for a liberal to get out of any real political discussion is to say Bush is a moron. What kind of argument is that? Are you for real? Then if that doesn't work you try and bring up oil or a "junta" who allowed 9/11. Do you realize you are slowly discrediting yourself more every day you decide to continue slinging BS. Let me hear something that you can prove, no more conspiracies, how about solid evidence, or better yet common sense. The Democrat party is divided, you’re all speaking nonsense, and your leaders are people like Vidal? Damn, I feel sorry for you all. Never mind, keep up the sorry work. It makes it easier for me and all us level heads to throw you together in a pile next to our trash
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So

by Sheepdog Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 12:19 PM

You LIKE the photo?
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Ms.

by Regina Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 12:23 PM

Gore Vidal is probably the single, best mind of the twentieth century. His books are wonderful and he makes one think. If you don't agree with him it's fine but I think he brings up many good arguments. I was appalled the morning of 9/11 as I watched Bush's reaction to the information that the towers had gone down -- he had none, no human reaction whatsoever and he was able to go on and speak nonsense to a group of school children instead of saying that something of national importance had occurred and he had to leave. This country had been attacked and he did NOTHING.
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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 12:56 PM

Uh, if he did NOTHING, then what's all the marching and bitching about?
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To Regina - The Lyin' Cunt/Bitch

by timeline Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 1:09 PM

>>I was appalled the morning of 9/11 as I watched Bush's reaction to the information that the towers had gone down -- he had none, no human reaction whatsoever and he was able to go on and speak nonsense to a group of school children instead of saying that something of national importance had occurred and he had to leave. This country had been attacked and he did NOTHING.<<


The second plane hit at 9:03A , Bush was told by Andrew Card about the attack at 9:10A, and Bush was on national TV by 9:30A. Everyone remembers the photo of Bush as Andrew Card interupts him to tell him the second tower had been hit. If you categorize that as being a non-human reaction,.... well I would expect no less for a fucking cunt like you. Bush immediately went into action.

Bush did nothing? HA!! You people are so invested in your emotions you don't know truth from reality. I spit in your face.
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Hey Timeline

by Acteon Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 1:22 PM

Hey Timeline,
You sure talk some tough shit with that nasty filthy mouth of yours. As usual, you thugs provide no proof, being the collection of knuckle-dragging brownshirts that you are. You know nothing about the Bush Administration, you know nothing about US history or US foreign policy, you know nothing about democracy or our constitution. You would've been the perfect "Good German": ignorant, small minded, impressed by thuggery and war (from an armchair, of course), and easily lied to.

So, instead of mocking good people that have a conscience, an understanding of right and wrong, and a respect for human rights, strap on your jackboots, put on your brownshirt, and go goose step around the mall parking lot, saluting your other mouth-breathing thuggish buddies.
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Acteon

by timeline Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 3:06 PM

Take your fascist/leftist/anarchist shit somewhere else. I don't put up with liars. If you knew anything about history, you'd know that you're the modern day Neville Chamberlain's saying "Peace in our time" while ruthless dictators crush their unwilling victims. You're pro-Saddam thru and thru, just like Chamberlain was pro-Hitler by virtue of the fact that he stood by and did nothing. Respect for human rights? HA! Your idea of human rights is to let innocent people die. You're as void of knowledge as you are of power. I spit in your face.
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Timeline=Braindead dotto-head

by Acteon Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003 at 3:34 PM

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Timeline, the only ones that ever appeased Saddam were you buddies Reagan and Rumsfeld. Right wingers through and through.

But, thanks for the laughs "Timeline." You really are a hoot. Yer just pretending to be such a stupid, ignorant, moron, right? Your idiotic Limbaugh arguments have been obliterated at this site so many times, it's pathetic.

"Take your fascist/leftist/anarchist shit somewhere else. " This is the stuff of parody. You come to our site to spew your ignorant Limbaugh propoganda, and tell me to go somewhere else, har har har!

"If you knew anything about history, you'd know that you're the modern day Neville Chamberlain's saying "Peace in our time" while ruthless dictators crush their unwilling victims. " Wrong. Bush is Hitler. Everyone who doesn't stand up to him, like knuckle-dragging self, is Chamberlain. Comprende? Only a moron like you would fear a bombed out, semi-medieval third world country. Remember the first Gulf War, when saddam had an army? How long did that last?

"Respect for human rights? HA! Your idea of human rights is to let innocent people die. " Hmmm . . . so raining the fires of hell down on the Iraqi people, half of which are under the age of 14, to rid them of Saddam, is humane. Wow! Thanks for clarifying that!

"I spit in your face." No, you wouldn't. You're an armchair chickenhawk asshole. If you tried, your ass would be seriously kicked.

Why don't you go harass some children, instead of bothering us. Or maybe you could find a 90 pound peace protester to threaten. What a monkey-boy.










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HA - Another stupid troll

by Acteon Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 7:46 AM

"We're the ones laughing and you and not taking anything you and your side say seriously. Most of the civilized world is. In fact, you and your pro-Saddam buddies are the laughing stock of the country and the world. "

Your garbled sentence is a fucking lie, categorically. Would you care to back it up with anything? Just because Limbaugh says it, doesn't mean it's true, numb-nuts. Would you care to back up anything you say with an actual fact?

Bush=bad. Saddam=bad. Iraqi people=good. Carpet bombing a city=bad. Siezing oil=bad. Comprende?
Look at the picture of Rummy shaking hands with your buddy Saddam. Again: Your buddies are the appeasers. It just doesn't sink into your pumpkin head, does it HA? No matter how many facts are strewn before you. Good German. Go salute someone!
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Acteon...

by ... Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 1:13 PM

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Ladies and Gentlemen! May we present Acteon!Another Useful Idiot!
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Acteon...

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Acteon......
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Ladies and Gentlemen! May we present Acteon!Another Useful Idiot!
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You are tiresome,,,, ... --- or one finger in the nose looking for food.

by Sheepdog Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 1:39 PM

Please grow a brain.
(scratch, yaawn) you do
add so much (let me think of
the word) oh yes, insight to
this board with your (again the
word escapes me- oh yes) original
content and creative discourse.
Oh and I didn't mention wit, did
I?
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Sheepy & Anteon - Idiots On Parade

by wedecidenotyou Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 5:47 PM

Acteon and Sheepdog are mind-numbed robots who receive their marching orders everyday. They are more than willing to believe pipe-dreams at the drop of a hat. Here's how:

All of you leftist/anarchist are fascists. The modern day “Hitler Youth” is being trained daily in public schools and college campuses across our land. They are being taught to hate America, that America is the cause of all evil, that it’s our way of life that is a threat to the rest of the world, and by the evidence displayed on this site the Hitler Youth have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Those who have perpetrated this evil are hoping one day the American Hitler Youth will rise up and enslave us all, and that you are assisting in seeing it come to fruition thrills them to no end. One of the main ways they fool you into go along is by making sure you believe you “see” things the rest of us don’t see because “you have superior intelligence”. Everyone wants to be told they are smart, especially by those to whom they admire. So you align yourselves with those of like mind, with those who also hold the view that they can “see” things the way that others simply cannot, because others don’t have the intelligence to wade through all the corporate propaganda and come away with the truth like you and your friends can. And one day, when the time is right, you’ll emerge and help organize events that will overthrow the powers that be and all people will thank you and admire you for having the foresight to have planned for the coming day. But in reality, should it ever come to be (I doubt it ever will, these people are too stupid to tie their own shoes.), it will be the worst slavery and oppression this world has ever known. No! I won’t allow you to succeed for the sake of all lovers of FREEDOM worldwide. Take your hate and oppression, find a deserted island, and live out your “paradise” there. It’s the only chance you’ll ever have to realize your dreams.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 5:50 PM

Oh, you won't allow it????

OK, everybody stop now, go home, give up your plans at world domination...because THIS douchebag WONT ALLOW IT!

Whatta fuckin' clown!
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All of you leftist/anarchist are fascists.

by Sheepdog Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 6:20 PM

Geez. talk about numb. That statement alone shows
a near total air pocket between the author's ears.
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They're not the same

by Garaj Dohr Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 6:48 PM

I read this entire thread, and I don't think it's fair to put KPC and Sheepdog in the same category with Acteon.

On the dumb scale, going from zero to minus 100, Acteon would represent the gold standard of -100. I think KPC is only a minus 88 and Sheepdog a minus 72. Neither of them is in the Hall of Dumb along with Acteon. They're close, but no cigar.
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I remember you Garage Door.

by Sheepdog Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 6:59 PM

You're the parrot Simple Simon has
to feed crackers and change the tray of.
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It's even weirder

by Sheepdog Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 7:24 PM

That anyone would believe I give a hoot
What any of these weasels think or that
it would EVER matter to me.
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Sheep dog is a cunt

by J Fist Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at 8:50 PM

A gay Cunt.
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Lib Dooty

by lkjf Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 7:04 AM

Looks like with KPC and Sheepy, I've hit a little too close to home. Com'n, admit it, you believe you see things the rest of us just don't see. You and people like you KNOW the "corporate media" works in conjunction with the powers-that-be to keep us all under their boots, right? You and people like you see it, but the rest of us don't. And why is that? But, of course! You're so much smarter than the rest of us. That's it. You see things and we don't because you're just the high and mighty and we're the sheep willingly being lead to the slaughter.

You're as fucking clueless as your are powerless.

You're both fascist. And for too long we've allowed people like to to kidnap our language, misusing and misapplying words like "fascist", "communist", "socialist", "zionist", "terrorism", "occupation", and the like to mean something that they don't, applying them to those opposed to you when they rightly belong to you and your tactics. It didn't work, it was never going to work, and now we're going to use the accurate meaning of these words and apply them to you where they rightly belong. We're going to own the airwaves and the print media and anything else we need and proclaim the truth to millions upon millions upon millions of people 24/7/365/forever until they understand just what kind of human debris your are. There's no reason people should be forced to believe the stupidity you spew on a daily basis and placing them where, if they actually believe your propaganda, they would be living their lives in ignorance and poverty. So, yeah, I'm not going to let your "visions" happen, and neither are a lot of very good people, because to do so would be to give up the FREEDOM we all currently enjoy and hope to pass on to the world. And FREEDOM is too precious to us. If you don't like the FREEDOM we enjoy, shove it up your ass!! We're going to enjoy it anyway despite you. Wallow in your misery and bitching and complaining about how things are. It's all you got. But expect the rest of us to be dragged down to your own private Hell with you.
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Setch talk

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 8:28 AM

Yes, I am smarter than you.
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$$$$$..............

by $$ Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 8:45 AM

You're invested in your emotions. To you, emotions is logic. That's why you're a nobody doing nothing and going nowhere. I, for one, am happy to have you believe you and those like you are smarter than everyone else and see things the rest of us don't see. I make a boat-load of money off little minions like you. Ain't no way I'm gonna cut off the gravy train just yet.
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emotions is logic

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 12:09 PM

Again, I'm supposed to...care?
And by the way, are emotions singular or plural?
a. singular___
b. plural ___
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Getting Ugly

by Diogenes Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 12:19 PM

All you shills, Outhouse Dorh, Bush Sycophant et. al., are ugly and your mother dresses you funny too. So there. Na, na, na, na, na.
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A

by dygsp Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 1:16 PM

>And by the way, are emotions singular or plural?

In your case, singular. Hate.
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Hate is such a mild and misleading word

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 1:41 PM

I prefer disgust and revulsion. Then pity.
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Another Maalox Moment

by Diogenes Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 9:16 PM

Or is it Pepto Bismol?
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One point

by AdolphPastrami Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 10:14 PM

George Bush loves the Mexican. Why? The Mexican is the most racist species on earth - and he farts a lot. Don't hate me because I like to buttfuck other men. Shame on you!!
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When do you turn 15?

by Diogenes Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 10:39 PM

When you turn 15 are you going to get your learners permit?
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In reguards to the line up of criminals

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 11:55 PM

Where is that burlap bag of skunks
shaken not stirred, when you need it?
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Oh I forgot

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 11:59 PM

I'm so popular.
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reader

by Kal Val Monday, Mar. 10, 2003 at 10:45 PM

Gore asks the right question which is something that cannot be said for most of the people making comments. Where is the promised Democracy for Afghanistan that Bush and his Junta so proudly proclaimed would be the end result once those evil doers were rounded up and shipped to Texas for an appointment with the electric chair - Bush and Jesus would be there of course to flick the switch.
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Andy77

by andy Friday, May. 30, 2003 at 5:25 PM
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I agree with sheep dog. Too many of you "conservatives" are just waiting to hear what the president says before you have an opinion. DISSENT IS A GOOD THING. If you don't like dissent, maybe you should move to a country that doesn't allow it. If you choose to disagree with me, please email me - Andy77@ureach.com, all comments welcome. It's true isn't it, ignorance is bliss!
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Too many of the Left...

by daveman Friday, May. 30, 2003 at 5:32 PM

...need great minds like Chomsky and Vidal and Streisand and Penn and Garafalo to do their thinking for them.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Friday, May. 30, 2003 at 10:16 PM

Caveman, you're a fuckin' idiot...you forgot Cap'n Crunch, I hear he's a real pinko...

...tell me, do you wack-off during your little celeb-fetish indulgences?
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Help!

by daveman Saturday, May. 31, 2003 at 7:18 AM

The faker guy is outside my window!!!
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Mine too.

by Diogenes Saturday, May. 31, 2003 at 7:30 AM

He's watchin' me and Sy$temF@ilure have butt sex!!! He's such a voyeur!
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Dio impersonator

by daveman Saturday, May. 31, 2003 at 7:43 AM

He's watching me fuck my blow-up doll. I'm so embarrassed!!
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KFC

by daveman Saturday, May. 31, 2003 at 4:55 PM

Dude, I just gotta say it:

You're a putz.

Signed
the REAL daveman
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i saw it

by daveman Saturday, May. 31, 2003 at 11:46 PM

I admit it, I saw heavy gay activity at our military facilities late at night in the hangers. This is in preparation for the next war, when we round up all those lefty-hippy-muslim-low-lifes and have our sweet time with them one by one until all us military men reach climax simultaneously and shoot our guns in the air in victory. Oh yeah, and my secret agent fantasy, where only one person gets hurt. And its just a small bruise from two shafts in a friendly sword fight with my first army crush. Im built to the hilt and stacked to heaven if anyone wants to come out to Kentucky, our division has more desperate young ens looking for college money and willing to do anything to combat a tightening economy.
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fake guy

by daveman Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003 at 4:01 AM

You're a putz, too.
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davemoron

by anti-psycho Monday, Jun. 02, 2003 at 8:22 AM

Look out!!! The "fake guy" is outside your window!!! You're nuttier than a Planter's factory. Get back into your straightjacket before you hurt someone, you psycho.
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I'm a little bitch

by Diogenes Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 10:43 AM

I'm a whiny little bitch!
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Me too!

by Eric Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 10:43 AM

I also like the feeling of a penis in my anus.
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Eric

by counselor Friday, Jun. 06, 2003 at 9:22 AM

Did it hurt when your dad sodomized you as a child?
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Help me

by Eric Friday, Jun. 06, 2003 at 9:40 AM

I'm mentally unstable.
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?

by Eric Friday, Jun. 06, 2003 at 10:13 AM

Don't you care?
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Grand Wazoo

by BUSH HATER Wednesday, Aug. 06, 2003 at 11:31 AM

I showed this pic to my 6 year old, even he could see what DUMBASS Bush is!
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memories

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Aug. 06, 2003 at 1:57 PM

memories...
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So this is why we killed all those civilians and pirated their (our) oil.
Simple, americans are by the majority, idiots and cowards.
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Good Nazis

by Prescott Bush Monday, Sep. 27, 2004 at 10:23 AM

Tex Mex und Bush Admirer:

Ich liebe dich.
Amerika, Amerika, UUUUber Aaaallles... ha ha ha. Vi are a'puttin dieses leftist in de konzentation Kampen! Ja? Vir wollen das links Amerikanishes in der gas tanken?

GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!! GWB ist mein fuhrer!!
HEIL BUSH HEIL BUSH

How kom you are not fighting fur Amerika? Why not dead fur Amerika? YOU VILL FIGHT.

DU WOLLEN NACH KRIEG GEHEN. FIGHT GO UND FIGHT IRAQ. GO! NOW UND FIGHT. WHY YOU ON INTERNET. GO UND FIGHT NOW! RIGHT NOW.

ARE YOU TWO JUST ZWEI PUSSY BOYS? YOU ARE NOT REL HITLER YOUTH! YOU ARE COWARDS. GO UND FIGHT. GO UND FIGHT FITGH FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

GO FIGHT DAS ARABEN FUR AMERIKA.

UNLESS YOU ARE TWO HOMOSEKSUELL PUSSY BOYS. TWO REPUBLIKANISCHES PUSSY BOYS. ahaa ha ha ha. Wir haben hier zwei Republikanishecn PUSSY boys von USA!!!

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The Old Texas two step.

by Misha Laverty Monday, Nov. 07, 2005 at 1:00 PM
Arbusted59@aol.com Syracuse N.Y.

Dear America: On 9/11 some pretty Sick people went to some rather deadly lengths to screw We the people out of a few extra bucks at the pumps when all they had to do last time was cause a black out or two. Hell if memory serves that alone was good for a sawbuck so We know for FACT that A Mass killing was not really necessary unless of course they have another reason for wanting the WTC property to Be Devoid of Cement and human beings ? So we know for certain that on the morning of 9/11 Mr Jim Pierce who by the by is cousin of president G.W.Bush was Scheduled to attend a monthly confrence on the 105fl of the south tower where his companies New York Offices are Based But for reasons that today are still cloudy The Meeting was held some blocks away on that very morning . Not to be outshined Mr Down Town Willie Brown a San francisco mayor was to attend some gathering but after numerous phone calls by Condi Rice Cancelled his trip which was Due in to NYC on the morning of 9/11. Now people if you truly by into the Bush / Cheney junta being as Center field in this as it is but that for some reason was so interested in reading to the Kids the little engine that could and that it was so Gripping to Bush that He could neither put the Book down or speak while His Aid whispered sweet nothings into his empty skull Cavity while Big Boeing Commercial Aircraft that normally seats around 267 passengers that morning some how only had around 65 soul's on Board still to this very day has many experts wondering exactly how American Airlines can afford to Taxi out with barely enough passengers on board to pay for the Pad fee's ? It is today on Riplieys Believe it Or NOT?
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If one takes out all the insults...

by bitch Saturday, Feb. 11, 2006 at 6:05 AM

there's no content! After all the insults are left out, one sees only that these people are venting their anger at the idea that someone thinks differently from them.
I suggest we stick to facts, not personal attacks, which I used to partake of, too, I must admit, but I was 8 years old then.
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