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Deja vu

by T-Mex Monday, Oct. 28, 2002 at 8:18 PM

Orwell's words are still fresh. . .

At the DC protest yesterday, on a nearby street corner, a handful of Iraqi-Americans staged a counterdemonstration. Aziz al-Taee, spokesman for the Iraqi-American Council, said, "I think America is doing just fine. ... We think every day Saddam stays in power, he kills more Iraqis."

These are people who, unlike the vast majority of "anti-war" activists, actually lived under Saddam and know that without war, he will continue to oppress the people of Iraq with murder, torture and starvation.

Orwell wrote "To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it."  In his experience, Pacifists acted primarily in support of their own domestic political motives and propounded a moral relativism that echoes what we are hearing today.   Prime Minister Blair is assailed as misguided and President Bush - not Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden - is declared the greatest threat to world peace, and - in the Canadian manifesto - a "thug" to boot.   

It has been heard before.  "Pacifist propaganda," Orwell wrote in the 1940s, "usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States.  Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of the western countries."

This was plainly evident in an incident on the remote Philippine island of Basilan.   Upon the completion of a six month U.S. military advisory mission in July, a contingent of Manila activists arrived to mount a demonstration during the troops' media-covered departure.   To their surprise and consternation, the activists' buses were met by local Basilan residents who greeted them with a hail of rocks and invective.  The counter-demonstrators later explained to journalists that they liked the American soldiers and they were grateful for the logistic and advisory support which had helped the Philippine army establish a measure of peace and security not known for many years.  These simple people were not going to allow their more worldly countrymen from the metropolis of Manila to undermine any future need of U.S. assistance. 

As the debate over Iraq approaches resolution, the voices of these ordinary people will not be heard as loudly as those of activists, academics and celebrities in distant cities and countries.  Yet in facing oppression and the risk of terror in their daily lives, they have a far better understanding of the real world we live in.  Even in a utopia of peace and understanding, force - and the threat of force - is the reality underpinning civilization.  No doubt liberated Afghans, ordinary Iraqis, starving North Koreans, and the people of New York City and Bali appreciate this more than most.  George Orwell certainly did and of pacifist ideals he was quite clear.  "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that:  no ordinary man could be such a fool."

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easy orwell

by osfa Monday, Oct. 28, 2002 at 10:53 PM

easy to use a dead guy´s words who cannot reply... orwell was speaking at the time, i would say, about quite a different issue: hitler and the spanish civil war, and he was there, at least in spain, risiking his own life. unfortunately most us interventions -before and after wwii- haven´t been in defence of oppressed people but rather the opposite... as seen most recently with the us help to sadam and osama, not that many years ago, in nicaragua, chile, el salvador, and so on.

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............

by ......... Monday, Oct. 28, 2002 at 10:56 PM

" These simple people were not going to allow their more worldly countrymen from the metropolis of Manila to undermine any future need of U.S. assistance. "

any future *need*. says it all right there. Instability MUST continue so the US can put troops all over the globe. Funny how neocons always make such dumb slips.

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mmm, no

by T-Mex Monday, Oct. 28, 2002 at 11:50 PM

the need was created by the precense of facist rebels, seeking to oppress the Phillipinos. . . we didn't just show up for shits and giggles.

And as for Orwell being dead, only a fool could miss the applicability of his words to today. . . but the Left is Home Office for Fools.

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CANADA LAND OF THE FREE

by Calvin Cumberland Tuesday, Oct. 29, 2002 at 12:01 AM
cumber_1@hotmail.com

CANADA IS WITHOUT TERROR. Check out my site. It is the land of the free.

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..........

by ...... Tuesday, Oct. 29, 2002 at 1:55 AM

Yeah - it's becoming quite a dictatorship. That's because it is influenced by the USA.

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You know,

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Oct. 29, 2002 at 8:10 AM

With a black budget the size our "intelligence

service" has I'm sure I could hire a demonstration

or two myself. I always view "necessary intervention"

VERY closely with the CIA's record of instigating this

kind of event. And that's when their not using more

violent tactics to influence affairs.

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Oh, Canada

by Wayne Gretzky Tuesday, Oct. 29, 2002 at 11:06 PM

Canada sucks.

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Does Canada have Totter episodes?

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 6:25 AM

I've got to know.

They do have medical coverage even if they are poor

and we don't.

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.........

by ....... Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 7:53 AM

Yeah, we have medical coverage for everybody

No free dental though

What's Totter?

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I ment "Toter" T. Mex's favorite show

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 3:00 PM

Just another obsession. Now I'm curious about toter.

Tinkie Winkie is DEFINITELY gay. Anyone who doesn't believe this has never seen the "tooter" episode.

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I'm laughing too hard to type

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 3:03 PM

These monkeys are really funny.

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Deja vu

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2002 at 3:06 PM

How many episodes did the tooter have?

What's a tooter?

Who's tooter?

How does this effect tooter?

Why does tooter care?

Is tooter happy?

Can we help tooter?

Does he have friends?

A 401K account?

Will tooter come back

Can tooter help Bush Admirer?

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Orwell

by Randy G. Monday, Nov. 04, 2002 at 9:30 AM

Didn't Orwell also write a book called 1984 in which the government used the pretext of war with an invisible enemy to impose all sorts of social controls upon the people? Funny but doesn't Al Queda seem a lot like this invisible enemy, I mean we don't know where they are, who they are or where they could strike next, but if you the people give up your freedom Big Brother will protect you....

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