A strong peace rally explodes onto the streets of West Los Angeles; will it stop the Administration’s juggernaut to war?

War can only bring more.

Marcher’s reflections on glass, spectators reflect on marchers. So much hype for war, you’re the counter point.

Courage to March for Peace is Real Strength.

Put sex and violence on a building.

YOU IDIOTS NEED TO GET OFF THE "DOPE" & GET INTO THE REAL WORLD!! LIKE IT OR NOT - SADAM & "IRAQ" ARE MURDERS OF THEIR OWN CITIZENS. LIKE IT OR NOT - THIS COUNTRY RUNS ON OIL. GET A GRIP - GET REAL - OR JUST WAKE UP & SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN THE WORLD... UTOPIA IS A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION! IT DOES NOT EXHIST & NEVER WILL......

Probably not worth wasting time on mindless, crass stupidity like "American's" -- but since it's easy enough to rebut, here goes.

1. Going full force against Iraq is much more likely to destabalize the Middle east (and its oil production) -- than any other conceivable (U.S.) strategy.

2. Attacking Iraq is also a sure-fire way to produce more anti-American terrorists. Many in the Middle East will perceive the attack as a throw-back to good-old-fashion colonialism (for the oil, of course) -- and "American's" position certainly suggests that such perceptions would be correct. Attacking America will seem, more than ever, as a part of a liberation struggle.

3. The "Saddam is a tyrant who must be overthrown for the sake of his own people" argument is absurd given the nature of the other regimes in the region that we support -- Eygpt, Saudi Arabia, Israel...

etc., etc.

The LA rally at MacArthur Park last Sunday to the the Anti-War (et al) Protest & March this last Saturday, the 14th, saw an exponential growth from approximately 300 to around 2,000 protesters (less than one week apart!), was a great success and foreshadows even better things for the upcoming protest:

Great appreciation to ANSWER, all who participated, spread word by voice, e'mail and flyer, as well as HUGE kudos to Pacifica Radio at KPRK 90.7 for fighting to stay free.

The accounts of the rally and march on 9/14, in my opinion, downplayed the actual drive and force it had. It was far more than "spirited" and we protested far more than just the "administration-corporation's" war movement. One of the many popular cries was "George Bush, you can't hide! We charge you with genocide!". Corporate criminality, stolen elections, globalization, racisim, classism, counter-productive and lack of domestic health, welfare and education policies, the media and our threatened civil rights and freedoms were also crimes that were called out for the world to hear.

News channel 7, 11 and a couple of foreign stations attended, in addition to helicopters and a moderately large police escort and distant back-up "riot" force.

The thousands of commuters passing by the protests were VERY vocal in support of the rally, we even had a few park and join in...we were all rather suprised. It goes to show that you never know until you act! So get out there! :-)

NOW... my call to the planners and supporters of the upcoming 'Refuse & Resist!', 'ANSWER' and 'Not In Our Name' October 6th and 26th demos is this...

CAN WE FIND ANOTHER, MORE PUBLIC AND ACCESSIBLE LOCATION?

I've been to Westwood Federal Bldg a couple of times in addition to Saturdays VERY SUCCESSFUL march...BUT...this movement is tooooooo important to have it in such a "police controlled" environment. We were escorted and regulated far too much. However impressive and encouraging the turnout and statement, as well as the small, but growing media acknowledgment, WE NEED TO SHOW THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALONE AND MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO JUMP IN. The participation will increase EXPONENTIALLY.

Westwood on the weekends is nearly a ghost town. I believe, and I echo the sentiments of a number of participants at Saturdays march, that it is imperative that we shout loud and publicly...not to an empty federal building and uncaring, deserted inconsequential commercial center. If we want to target a commercial center and call in the populace that is unknowingly funding and supporting many of the problems with their $ let's march through and around the Beverly Center. Acquiescing to "state approved and controlled" marching routes and time frame is like taking aspirin to cure a cancer. We become repressors of the very movement we are trying to build.

Please consider another, more public and productive site. I will also bring this up at the 'R&R! October 6th Demonstration Planning' meeting on the 19th.

If anyone else feels similar, please contact the organizers and share you support of another, more public and accessible site for the upcoming marches.

Refuse & Resist!
Not In Our Name
International ANSWER Coalition

Thank you again! The things you are doing are imperative to our freedom and intricately appreciated!

In bocca al lupo!

I am a Gulf War Vet. I'm not the most educated person in the world and I'm not going to attempt to act like I am. I am also a minority, born in the U.S., yes, but my parents were not. But what I'd really like to know, is how many of the so-called protestors were actually in that country a few years ago or in others. The Iraqi's gladly gave up and some prisoners even wanted to come to the U.S. We have seen first hand the conditions of that country, even what the soldiers had been forced to fight with. They were told to do hand to hand combat with nothing but the butts of their rifles since running out of ammunition weeks and months before being engaged by the coalition. Would Afghanastan have been better off with the Taliban in charge still? If they have anything of value, have we taken it away from them? Are the women going to school and not being stoned in the streets? I think a change in the Iraqi government is what is needed. As for Americans, guess what...the people have already spoken. You voted for the prez..now live with the decision and back your nation like real Americans should and quit your crying. If not, I suggest you take up a rifle and earn the right to talk tough against your own government. If not, go to another country or join a local redneck militia.

Afghanistan would probably be better off if the CIA hadn't put the Taliban in power in the first place. Same with Saddam.

doesn't make it right.
the only way to make a good future is to do the right thing- notmore wrong things. forget your country- remember the world.

Regardless of whether or not you are personally anti-war, the fact remains that a war is upon us. Thousands of your fellow citizens lie under earth today - victims of this war.

Just because you don't want to get wet doesn't mean it's not raining.

I haven't heard a single cohesive program from the left over what we should do about Islamic Fascism and the threat that is posed to us by Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. What I have heard is a lot of tired cliches and rhyming revolutionary claptrap. The enemy wants you dead. What do you propose to do about that?

Those who are truly anti-war and not anti-American are for the aggressive prosecution of this war and its successful conclusion. Only through the eradication of certain enemies and the intimidation of others will we ever know peace again. The alternative is a life of compromise, blackmail, murder, mayhem and collapse.

...so, you joinin' up, Simple?...

...course not! Fuckin' pussy....

Actually, KPC I don't need to join up because I am already in.
I have been in for 14 years.
That means I've been serving my country since before you were swimming in your daddy's nuts.
Now go outside and play, that computer screen will stunt your growth.
Oops, too late.

...when I said "join up"...I meant THE MILITARY...not the Cub Scouts....

...shit, 14 years and still not enough merit badges to move up to Weblo...fuckin' loser.

You don't even know how to spell Webelo. Sad. But then again they don't allow certain people in the Boy Scouts...

OK.......shit, 14 years and still not enough merit badges to move up to WEBELO....fuckin' loser.

14 years.
11B2HP.

You have no idea what that is.

...oh shit, now I'm gonna lose sleep toni....ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Regardless of our little tangental rumpus, the question remains:

War is upon us. The enemy wants to kill us. What do you propose to do about it?

Protest...what are you gonna do?

didn't say it.....TYPED it....unlike you, i can read AND type without moving my lips....

KPC you are useless. What exactly will your 'protesting' do to stop those that want to kill us? Your answer to my question above exposes you Leftists for what you are. Devoid of ideas, incapable of leadership, wallowing in the system that you decry, and hiding behind the military and the police which you despise.

You are absolutely useless.

Simpleton: "What exactly will your 'protesting' do to stop those that want to kill us?"

Persuade them to think twice and maybe change their minds....

....you are talking about Cheney and the Shrub, right?

Another pithy retort by the well-versed vulgarian KPC.

Islamic Fascists want to kill you. They have successfully killed thousands of other American citizens just last year. Your protesting will do nothing to deter them. It will just convince them that you are as weak as you appear (and doubtless you are).

If, simple as you are, you believe that the President and Vice President want you dead, how would your protesting them make them change their minds? Wouldn't your sticking out with your wingnut friends just invite them to hammer you into line?

As usual, you make little sense.

...they couldn't care less who lives or dies, American or not..as long as they and their masters get what they want...OIL. Don't give a fuck about terrorism, they LIKE it...it's a good boogie man...they have done nothing, NOTHING, and their plans will do NOTHING to reduce the threat...

....oh, and did I forget to mention what a dripping dick you are? I did? Well, you are the worst sort of warted, syphlitic, flaccid dick that ever dripped on a Republican chin.

My goodness, KPC.

You can't let the warden hear you talk like that, he'll take away your 'special time' in the showers.

Now, once again, we see the brilliance of KPC. No answers to questions, no solutions to problems. Empty posts and endless bitching.

You wouldn't be a stay at home dad, would you KPC?

...said all that needs to be said to counter the impotent arguments of bootlickers like you...opprobrium is all you deserve, and opprobrium is what you shall get.

...now, aren't there some boots in need of a good lickshine somewhere? Go make yourself usefull..

There's only one L in useful. I'm not surprised you have a hard time with that one. I can't imagine you've had a lot of experience with the word.

There's only one L in useful. I'm not surprised you have a hard time with that one. I can't imagine you've had a lot of experience with the word.

Oohhh, you cut me to the QUICK with that one...ow...oh..I am reelling...ooops...I mean "reeling"....

....fuckin' douchebag....