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by Fannie Brown
Saturday, Sep. 14, 2002 at 8:08 AM
acornnews@acorn.org 202-547-2500 739 8th St SE Washington DC 20003
A new movement is building across the state of California in response to one of the most severe housing crises in the Country.
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A new movement is building across the state of California in response to one of the most severe housing crises in the Country. From low income working families to middle class professionals, people are feeling the squeeze from the lack of affordable housing and are joining together to demand local and state action.
Only 58 percent of Californian households now own their homes. That's a smaller percentage than in any other state except Hawaii, New York, and Washington DC. The other 42 percent of California households are renters. Among Latino-headed households, 58 percent are renters. Among African-American-headed households, 60 percent are renters.
In recent weeks, this growing popular pressure for renters protections and affordable housing has led to the passage of three bills in the state legislature. One has been signed by the Governor, and one has placed a measure on the ballot for voters to decide in November, but one is still sitting on the Governor’s desk awaiting his signature.
In August, Governor Gray Davis signed into law Senate Bill 1403, will require that a landlord give 60 days' notice rather than 30 days', when evicting a tenant without cause. Many renters are evicted for no fault of their own. With this law in place, fewer of them will end up on the street or forced to move to the first place they find.
Senate Bill 1227 has been passed, placing on the ballot for the public to vote on in November a $2.1 billion affordable housing bond. The bill was sponsored by Senator Burton. The bond would be the biggest investment in affordable housing in California history. The coalition of groups that has spent months working to pass these bills is now working to turn out voters to pass this bond.
It is Assembly Bill 2330, authored by Assemblymember Carole Migden and passed by the State Legislature, which still awaits the Governor’s signature. If signed, AB 2330 will ensure the return of the security deposit for law-abiding renters, and penalize landlords fail to follow the law by returning the proper amount of the security deposit. Many renters who are evicted for no cause need their old security deposit in order to pay their new security deposit. When landlords refuse to return a security deposit or to do so in a timely manner, the results for families can be serious
ACORN member Gerardo Madrigal describes, “As a low wage worker in an assembly plant, I know that if me, my wife and our children had to move, there is no way I could get into a new apartment unless I get my security deposit from my current place returned to me. It’s our money. As long as we leave the apartment in good condition, we have a right to get our money back!”
Mr. Madrigal, and other members of the coalition known as Renters Together for Stronger Communities say that AB 2330 is simply strengthens existing law to prevent the bad landlords from taking advantage of hard working families who are trying to keep a roof over their heads. The coalition, spearheaded by the community group ACORN and the labor union Service Employees International Union (SEIU), includes dozens of local and statewide community groups, churches, and labor unions dedicated to assuring that every working family enjoys decent and affordable housing in a neighborhood close to their work.
For generations, they argue, most working families were able to achieve the American Dream. Good jobs and hard work were enough to assure a decent home in a nice neighborhood close to work. No longer. Despite nearly a decade of prosperity, today there are fewer good jobs than a generation ago. And the working poor, despite their hard work, are still aspiring to better their lives. Housing developers have built relatively few new homes, and even fewer for low- and moderate-income homebuyers. Many landlords have raised rents without making any significant improvements to their properties. To pay these high rents, family members have taken second jobs and even third jobs. Others have taken in extended family, friends, and even strangers. To find cheaper rents, many families have moved far from work, meaning thy spend more time on the road and less at home, contributing to traffic problems and sprawl as well.
The group is calling on Governor Davis to help level the playing field between landlords and tenants by signing into law AB 2330. Those Californians who rent --- nearly half of all households --- expect his support. Renters Together maintains a website at www.acorn.org/carenters and can be reached toll free at 1-800-324-3697.
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by FA
Saturday, Sep. 14, 2002 at 11:25 AM
Can you imagine how affordable (not to mention plentiful!) housing would be if we just KICKED OUT ALL THE WETBACKS?!? No shit, huh? Freeways less congested? Darn tootin'; Cleaner neighborhoods? Goddamn right; Smaller class sizes? Without doubt... This is just common sense. We have way too many people here. It's time to re-patriate all those that shoudn't be here in the first place. And for all you scumbags that think Whites are the ones that should go, just look at old mejeeco or zimbabwe- those toilets are what happens when Whites don't call the shots. Cheers...
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by 000
Sunday, Sep. 15, 2002 at 10:00 AM
that's all there is to say really. FA, just go to Idaho and get the fuck out of here.
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by FA
Sunday, Sep. 15, 2002 at 8:00 PM
Very nice, indeed...I also noticed how you two homos didn't refute any of my claims. Sorry to bother your beaner-loving sensibilities, but the truth is the truth, and it isn't going to change reality just because a couple of pussies don't like the message. Maybe some wetback will make you fags his pets. At least then, you won't have to worry about housing...
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by Jezebelle
Wednesday, Sep. 18, 2002 at 2:45 PM
You think the lack of affordable housing is due to illegal immigrants? How about backing up some of YOUR claims! How many illegal immigrants are there here? Where do they live? Do they live in the same places where there is a lack of housing? Is the problem availability (ie supply/demand) or is it that landlords are trying to get too much for their properties, and people can't do much about it? Did you read the article before posting? What does immigration have to do with whether or not someone should get 30 or 60 days notice before being kicked out of their home? Plus, before you are too sure that this country is the best place to live, try living somewhere else first. You may be surprised..... I'm a citizen, and have been all my life, and would like you to know that in terms of providing for its people, THIS COUNTRY SUCKS. There are MANY other countries that do a better job -- free healthcare, free education, better benefits, more vacation, more equality, and less people like you.
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by FA
Wednesday, Sep. 18, 2002 at 4:06 PM
"You think the lack of affordable housing is due to illegal immigrants?"
Yes, I do. Not only housing, but all other services that law abiding citizens pay for with our tax dollars.
"How about backing up some of YOUR claims!"
Is this aquestion, or a statement? Do you not read the newspaper, or listen to the news? How about the internet news sources? Do you want me to research it all for your convenience? Why don't you do it yourself (although I think you'd much rather have your head in the sand).
"How many illegal immigrants are there here?"
Well into the millions in LA county alone.
"Where do they live?"
In neighborhoods that used to be clean and safe. Now, they look like slums. It's usually 3 or 4 families packed into a single family dueling. And you still wonder why there's no affordable housing?
"Do they live in the same places where there is a lack of housing?"
Lady, their everywhere (don't tell me you haven't seen the critters or been accosted by them, calling you "chiquita" and making those kissing noises?)
"Is the problem availability (ie supply/demand) or is it that landlords are trying to get too much for their properties, and people can't do much about it?
Clearly, supply and demand. There are too many people for what's available. Now reverse the situation. Get rid of a couple of million people (who have absolutely no right to be here in the first place), and what happens? Vacant property. Let's assume that some greedy landlord wants to charge $800/mo, where all other similar rentals are $250/mo. How long before common sense supersedes greed?
"Did you read the article before posting?"
Glanced at it. Actually, this had been in the news for about a week prior, so I already knew what was going on.
What does immigration have to do with whether or not someone should get 30 or 60 days notice before being kicked out of their home?
Let's see...the longer they stay in the building, the more damage to the overcrowded property, which will, of course, be passed on to you and me. Now, I don't know how you feel, but I do not want to subsidize some deadbeat. Other than that, it is my opinion that this problem as well as many others regarding services, are exacerbated by the sheer volume of illegals.
"Plus, before you are too sure that this country is the best place to live, try living somewhere else first. You may be surprised....."
Actually, you may be surprised- I've lived in South America for a better part of my teen years. I have never claimed that this is the best place to live, but I also don't feel there is much better out there. Apparently, millions of illegals feel the same way. If this place were so bad, we wouldn't have these problems. "I'm a citizen, and have been all my life, and would like you to know that in terms of providing for its people, THIS COUNTRY SUCKS. There are MANY other countries that do a better job -- free healthcare, free education, better benefits, more vacation, more equality, and less people like you."
A citizen? Does that mean anything, anymore? I mean, anyone can enjoy the priviledges you and I should be entitled to. Don't you feel cheated? Don't you feel silly supporting people that sh*t on you? Well, my turn to be surprised! It seems that you've never lived outside the States, so your air of being "cosmopolitan" is null and void. I'm equally surprised that you've lived here your whole life, and you've yet to figure out that we live in a CAPITALIST (not Socialist) system. In other words, the government doesn't care for you cradle to grave. This is the only place in the world where ANYONE, through hard work, has the chance to become filthy rich. This is also the reason people aren't flooding into China, Cuba or mejeeco. By the way, NOTHING IS FREE. You should know this by now, also. Take Norway, for example. A fifty percent tax rate is not free. Try paying $9.00/gal. for gas, or $12/bottle for a beer. Maybe it's time for you to move to that little paradise, and let beaurocrats run your whole existance, but I intend on staying. I'm not the one who needs to leave, if you know what I mean. You are correct, however, that these other countries don't have many people like me in their ranks. That is why they are now being overrun by third world trash, just like us! Aw, the joys of diversity!
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by jezebelle
Thursday, Sep. 19, 2002 at 7:25 AM
May I remind you about give us your tired, your poor, your hungry? Is that so we can keep them that way? Do you think there should not be any reward for paying taxes? Shouldn't that money be used to support the citizens? Must everyone be on their own, fighting their way through life? Don't you think people would be happier if they felt some sort of safety net beneath them? Are you advocating that regardless of your circumstance, it's sink or swim? That's just great! I'm so glad you're here, 'cause when I leave, I will know just what kind of people this great nation is filled with.
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by dddddd ddddd
Thursday, Sep. 19, 2002 at 10:10 AM
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In response to the cat thats angry about immigrants in the U.S.--HA ,HA ,HA ,- your so pissed but you can't do anything to change the now or future. We as a people will one day be the majority not the minority's. VIVA AZTLAN!!!
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by FA
Thursday, Sep. 19, 2002 at 10:29 AM
I'm not pissed. I just like pointing out the obvious and watching all you beaner-lovers froth at the mouth! By the time you take over, I'll be long gone. Besides, it won't do you any good. With no Whites around to run things, this sucker will turn into a toilet in no time flat. Just look at mestizo(mejeeco, central, some south) america as your future, pancho. Do you really think that the complete infrastructure will remain the same once you become the majority? Ha! You scumbags will run it into the ground, so it will resemble the sewers from where you came. Have at it, homes. I hope I'm around to see your stupid faces when it dawns on you that gang-banging and dropping out of school do not actually drive an economy! The laugh's on you, amigo!!
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by jezebelle
Friday, Sep. 20, 2002 at 6:40 AM
He is so right! How could things get any better??? After years of white (let's add male just to make him froth at the mouth) rule, life is grand all over! Everyone is happy, well-provided for, and no one has anything to complain about! Our little friend, FA, is so content and secure in himself, and is spreading a happy message to all around. How could things get any better? Why mess with a good thing?
On a more serious note, I am sure that FA has an imagination the size of a grain of sand since he seems unable to exhibit any ability to empathize (which means, FA, that you are incapable of imagining what life might be like for someone less fortunate than you) and even if he could, shows no desire to do so at all. He seems to think that any problem he might have is the fault of someone else, but everyone else's problems are their own fault and cannot be attributed to the U.S., or its citizens, which I am more and more convinced are just like him. Selfish, undereducated, and overopinionated.
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by FA
Friday, Sep. 20, 2002 at 10:21 AM
Whatever problems I personally have are mine and no one else's. If I screw up and run afoul of the law'society, I do not blame blacks, mexis, or anyone else. I take responsibilty along with my lump. Now, take the afore-mentioned minorities- IT'S ALL THE WHITE MAN'S FAULT! That, mon ami, is their battle cry (like the black who murdered a White woman and claimed he was convicted because the system is "racist"). You are right, however. This WHITE MALE DOMINATED country is SO AWFUL that millions of hundreds of wetbacks die every year trying to enter. Yup, your point is made! Terrible place, indeed... I wish the illegals would actually see that and go back home!
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by FA
Friday, Sep. 20, 2002 at 10:25 AM
I do believe I would need to edit the previous post!
"This WHITE MALE DOMINATED country is SO AWFUL that millions of hundreds of wetbacks die every year trying to enter.", should actually read, "This WHITE MALE DOMINATED country is SO AWFUL that hundreds of wetbacks die every year trying to enter."
I wouldn't want to be accused of distorting the truth...
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by WD
Wednesday, Dec. 04, 2002 at 9:30 AM
FA you just think you're the shit don't you? well let me ask you a question. did you learn anything at school? did you know that this country belongs to no one but the native americans? i guess not since you think this place is for the whites. if all of you white people go back to europe where ya'll really came from MAYBE someday hispanics might go back to their country but not for now. you piece of crap... know what i am also a u.s. citizen,a girl with mexican parents and very proud of it. i plan on having a future unlike other people for example whites who have all the priviledges of being somebody and are instead roaming in the streets begging for money, while they can have a job and earn money and not depend on a HISPANIC to give them money. one thing is for sure people like YOU should not be here. know what? you don't make me pissed off at all you just make me laugh because you are not stupid but ignorant.
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by sgffsgf
Wednesday, Dec. 04, 2002 at 9:39 AM
gsdgshstwyw btv
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 04, 2002 at 1:47 PM
update ------- ------- Nov. 19, 2002: Oakland Passes Just-Cause Oakland voters passed an initiative creating a just-cause requirement for evictions. The margin at last count was 1,300 votes, with 50.7 percent in favor. In June, Oakland ACORN members and over 20 allied organizations in the Just Cause Oakland coalition delivered over 36,000 signatures to the City Clerk to put this ordinance on the ballot. ACORN members and allies worked to turn out the vote in Oakland. ------------------------- the european colonists in the "americas" have not only caused possibly "the worst demographic disaster in the history of our species". they have also demonstrated a lack of general hygiene so stupendous that the entire planet has entered into an epoch of mass extinctions, possibly including human extinction. this is a burden of responsibility that boggles the mind. the racism and recklessness epitomized by 'FA' ("By the time you take over, I'll be long gone. Besides, it won't do you any good") may shed some light on how we got to this point.
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by yeah
Wednesday, Dec. 04, 2002 at 8:29 PM
rent control rocks! Nothing like being able to pay the rent! What a moral proposition, being able to pay for a place to live.
Rock on, and i might be able to raise my kids in the same community that I live in right now because rent control protects the integrity of my community, keeping the pricing in range of my aging parents and my salary. I just started working and its great to be able to afford to live near my family and friends. Now I can really invest in my community, family friends and church knowing that I won't be priced out of the place I love if some insane housing bubble comes along.
Nothing like a stable community to create a good standard of living, keep crime low, build solid-people schools.
You activists rock!
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by erg!
Wednesday, Dec. 04, 2002 at 9:03 PM
Rent control Rocks,
My landlord loves it because he realizes that his neighborhood investment- in building a stable community with solid housing market over a long term is best served by having good communities.
There's not enough money in the world to make 2000 Beverly Hills and he likes the fact that people feel secure in there homes.
Some nut down our street was dealing crack. The neighborhood got angry and called the cops. The crack dealer got upity asking the cops "where's your fucking warrant. I own this house, wha t the fuck are you doing coming in hear and arresting me?" The pigs left once, next time they came back with a warrant and hauled his crack dealing ass to jail.
Serves him right ruining other peoples lives in for his selfishness. Crack dealer 0, pigs 1.
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by lynx-11
Thursday, Dec. 05, 2002 at 12:24 PM
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by lynx-11
Sunday, Dec. 08, 2002 at 4:10 PM
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Sunday, Dec. 08, 2002 at 5:29 PM
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by Love and a .45
Sunday, Dec. 08, 2002 at 5:55 PM
"Backers of CIA-led Nicaraguan rebels brought cocaine to poor L.A. neighborhoods in early '80s to help finance war -- and a plague was born. "
Let's see...I thought that shit was supposed to be EXPENSIVE!! What the fuck would they bring it into a POOR neighborhood for? Shit, the welfare jockeys couldn't afford it. This makes no sense, but I think you believe it. Why am I not surprised?
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by lynx-11
Sunday, Dec. 08, 2002 at 6:17 PM
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by lynx-11
Sunday, Dec. 08, 2002 at 6:26 PM
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by David
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2002 at 11:43 AM
I rent a duplex...rented it for much less than market value... with NO deposit...trusting in the "goodness" of the people...now a year later I am Simon Legree. I've loaned tools, cars and everything to these deadbeats..who are now threatening to sue me................not paying any rent............and it costs $80 to get rid of the bums. I am one payment away from foreclosure on MY home. I have no sympathy whatsoever. Housing is a major crisis that's a fact.... but I'll never rent this place again!
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by KPC
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2002 at 12:16 PM
...Ummm, don't look now, but that is CAPITALISM you are having a problem with, not COMMUNISM, unless you converted your duplex into some kind of tennent collective or something...
Let's see...rents without deposit...loans tools and gives car rides to deadbeat tennants...and now you are whining because you've been had?
I'd say you learned a hard capitalist lesson. In capitalism, there are few winners and many losers...I think you qualify for the latter category.
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by KFC
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2002 at 1:11 PM
If you rented to wetbacks, then you got what you deserved...
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by lynx-11
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2002 at 4:15 PM
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by KFC
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2002 at 7:29 PM
Love this header-
C Genocide is alive and well
Answr me this, comrade. If this is "genocide", how come there are MILLIONS of these fuckers here illegally? I figured we'd have thinned out the bastards a bit by now...
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by lynx-11
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2002 at 11:05 PM
freeloaders.... "The Christians, with their horses and swords and lances, began to slaughter and practice strange cruelty among them. They penetrated into the country and spared neither children nor the aged, nor pregnant women, nor those in child labour, all of whom they ran through the body and lacerated, as though they were assaulting so many lambs herded in their sheepfold."
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by DITH PRAN
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 12:07 PM
"On April 17th, 1975 the Khmer Rouge, a communist guerrilla group led by Pol Pot, took power in Phnom Penh, the capital of Cambodia. They forced all city dwellers into the countryside and to labor camps. During their rule, it is estimated that 2 million Cambodians died by starvation, torture or execution. 2 million Cambodians represented approximately 30% of the Cambodian population during that time.
The Khmer Rouge turned Cambodia to year zero. They banned all institutions, including stores, banks, hospitals, schools, religion, and the family. Everyone was forced to work 12 - 14 hours a day, every day. Children were separated from their parents to work in mobile groups or as soldiers. People were fed one watery bowl of soup with a few grains of rice thrown in. Babies, children, adults and the elderly were killed everywhere. The Khmer Rouge killed people if they didn’t like them, if didn’t work hard enough, if they were educated, if they came from different ethnic groups, or if they showed sympathy when their family members were taken away to be killed. All were killed without reason. Everyone had to pledge total allegiance to Angka, the Khmer Rouge government. It was a campaign based on instilling constant fear and keeping their victims off balance."
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by KPC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 1:22 PM
...and the world can thank Henry Kissinger and Tricky Dick Nixon for this....
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 1:28 PM
"....but how did they [the Khmer Rouge] get that way? All observers and students of the question agree that by the autumn of 1979 they were virtually destroyed, their troops decimated and lacking arms and their supporting population suffering from disease and starvation. They could have been left that way until they sued for peace or disappeared. As Prince Sihanouk told a journalist, 'To save Cambodia ... all you had to do [in 1979] was to let Pol Pot die. Pol Pot was dying and you brought him back to life'....." -- Vickery ------------- -------------- "....They made bets as to who would slit a man in two, or cut off his head at one blow: or they opened up his bowels...." -- Las Casas tenants union
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by KFC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 1:49 PM
Hahaha! Lovely! Ignore thefact that: 1) He was a filthy communist; 2) He didn't need to murder anyone.
Did "tricky" Dick put an AK-47 in his hands? Sick fuckers...
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 2:03 PM
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by KFC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 2:26 PM
"In Ukraine, for example, where 7 million people were starved to death on the Kremlin's orders. "If you go now to the Ukraine or the North Caucuses," wrote British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge in 1933, "exceedingly beautiful countries and formerly amongst the most fertile in the world, you will find them like a desert; . . . no livestock or horses; villages deserted; peasants famished, often their bodies swollen, unutterably wretched." Farmers who took grain or vegetables from their own land were shot. Dead bodies littered the streets of Kharkov, the capital. "It was," an eyewitness later recalled, "as if the Black Death had passed through." Communism equaled murder in Ethiopia, where Mengistu Haile Mariam became dictator in 1977 and embarked on what he called his "Red Terror." Tens of thousands were massacred, including the graduating seniors of almost every high school in Addis Ababa."
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 3:23 PM
national tenants union "Others they seized by the shoulders and threw into the rivers, laughing and joking, and when they fell into the water they exclaimed: "boil body of so and so!" They spitted the bodies of other babes, together with their mothers and all who were before them, on their swords." -- Las Casas your story body counts in imperial service selective vision USA and Gehlen in Ukraine truth and memory evil empires: one down, one to go
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by KPC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 3:27 PM
...Tricky Dick and Henry Kissinger are just as guilty as if they pulled every trigger themselves...
...but you go on apologizing for their deeds...it suits you well....highlights the limitless hypocrisy of bootlickers like you...
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by KFC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 8:24 PM
Dumb fucker... so I'm an apologist because I point out that you assholes ignore commie atrocities? Hahaha!! You fucking reds are real shitheads. Posting shit that happened centuries ago to prove a point? Fucking cunts... I don't give a shit if Nixon, Kissinger, or any politicians fried, you fuck. I'm not a republican, but apparently you only see the world through your red-tinted lenses. What a lame! Again, disregard the commie atrocities. Who's licking what, "comrade"?
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 9:10 PM
evil empires: one down, one to go Nigel Griffin's 1992 translation is better than the one i linked to above. let's start over: "As we have said, the island of Hispaniola was the first to witness the arrival of the Europeans and the first to suffer the wholesale slaughter of its people and the devastation and depopulation of the land. It all began with the Europeans taking native women and children both as servants and to satisfy their own base appetites....." ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- national tenants union
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by KFC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 9:17 PM
I don't give a fuck about what happened hundreds of years ago, capisce? I don't pretend to, either. I don't give a fuck, period. But YOU fuckers, who pretend to be all about "humanity", "equality", and all that other bullshit, are straight-out hypocrites. You boo-hoo-hoo about some indians that got killed by the Spaniards, but completely ignore the MILLIONS who have died in the name of your philosophy, because it isn't politically convenient. Let's call a spade a spade- either you care about senseless murders of innocent people, or you don't, ideology be damned. Fucking wankers...
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 9:38 PM
evil empires: one down, one to go "....then, not content with what the local people offered them of their own free will (and all offered as much as they could spare), they started taking for themselves the food the natives contrived to produce by the sweat of their brows....." ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- national tenants union
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by Red Tim
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 9:49 PM
Are you just posting bits and pieces from the same article, ad nauseum? Why? To quote Homer Simpson, "Booo-ring!"
R.T.
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by KFC
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 9:59 PM
He has nothing to debate, nothing to say, no clue, so he pulls some asinine story out of his ass to show the down-trodden getting stomped and out-gunned by real men. This is done to generate sympathy for these mental midgets, so when they rob you or rape your daughters, you can feel guilty for having "oppressed" them for so long...
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by lynx-11
Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 10:23 PM
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by (tee hee)
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 12:17 AM
Actually, his links that call the soviet and the american empires "empires" actually counters pretty directly your claim that your fantasy left ignores the communist attrocities.
People are pretty complex. They can deal with complex situations and think through situations. Can they act differently though when action is called for? Wow, people, got to love them for all their quirks.
Peace out, bear.
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by lynx-11
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 12:35 AM
evil empires: one down, one to go "....The Christians punched them, boxed their ears and flogged them in order to track down the local leaders, and the whole shameful process came to a head when one of the European commanders raped the wife of the paramount chief of the entire island....." -- eye witness ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- national tenants union
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by KFC
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 11:57 AM
Then why not post some RECENT communist atrocities?
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by (tee hee)
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 2:09 PM
creating systems that starve people ( north korea) But, actually, with communism not really a viable political force in most parts of the world its kind of redundant. We could also look at capitalisms attrocities (starving people <http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/imf/europe/russia.htm>1,2), but then you'd probably accuse me of being a communist, which I'm not. Attrocities can occure regarless of any system. Reality is that human passion, goals, dreams and phsycology doesnt actually conform to any ideology
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by KFC
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 2:40 PM
Exactly! Now, see, I'm a "bootlicker" because I point out commie atrocities. I'm also a "'Tricky' Dick and Kissinger" supporter, although I hate ALL politicians, so we're in the same boat. I don't deny that people suffer under any form of ideology, but what I take issue with is beating one side into the ground while giving tacit approval to the other, which in most cases tends to be equally, if not more, brutal than the first, just because it happens to follow a certain political philosophy. That, my friend, is sheer hypocrisy.
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by (tee hee)
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 3:18 PM
by disaproving of "one side" you are not tacitly supporting the other.
you are disaproving of one side.
I can't account for the rhetoric that others spew who are supposedly left or right, but a criticism of American policy does not tacitly support saddam. Ideally in a functional democracy, it supports our system.
If you or anyone thinks otherwise, then we took very different civics classes in public high schools.
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by lynx-11
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 7:43 PM
update ---- ---- --- -- ----- ----- -- ---- -- --- ---- "....It was then that the locals began to think up ways of driving the Europeans out of their lands and to take up arms against them. Their weapons, however, were flimsy and ineffective both in attack and in defence (and, indeed, war in the Americas is no more deadly than our jousting, or than many European children's games) and with their horses and swords and lances, the Spaniards easily fended them off, killing them and committing all kind of atrocities against them...." -- Las Casas
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by KFC
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 8:39 PM
When you support one view, and purposely ignore the contrary viewpoint, in spite of the facts, you are giving your approval to the side you support. Further more, the posters not only disregard atrocities commited by their ideological contemporaries, but blame the atrocities on the side they denigrate in the first place. Read this thread and see for yourself...
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by lynx-11
Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002 at 8:45 PM
hot potatoes -- Texas acorn --Texas update now.... -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "....They forced their way into native settlements, slaughtering everyone they found there, including small children, old men, pregnant women, and even women who had just given birth. They hacked them to pieces, slicing open their bellies with their swords as though they were so many sheep herded into a pen...." eyewitness acorn
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by Dan
Friday, Dec. 27, 2002 at 11:00 PM
pancakeman80@hotmail.com
There are those in existence who deny morality and reason to pointlessly argue and adhere to pro-racist thoughts. "Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred." -M.L. King
I still believe in America. I believe that all were created equally. I believe in capatalism even though I am poor at the moment. I believe that I have the opportunity to rectify that situation by working or buying land(maybe in california) or by starting a business (which is very tough to do in some other places of the world) like a lemonade stand or a desktop computer company. All three of the previous ideas have been successful in the past.
If your pride is keeping you from realizing our equality my racist friend above, or if you have given up on it altogether (others). At least realize that fault for what it is.
For generation X: By and large, our elders failed in teaching us morality and ethics for reasons that are unknown to me. We MUST seek these on our own or our world will only become worse and worse as we gain more and more control of it. My plea to you is that you seek true wisdom.
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by lynx-11
Monday, Dec. 30, 2002 at 9:24 PM
on 9/13/02 'FA' wrote the following words: "Can you imagine how affordable (not to mention plentiful!) housing would be if we just KICKED OUT ALL THE WETBACKS?!? No shit, huh? Freeways less congested? Darn tootin'; Cleaner neighborhoods? Goddamn right; Smaller class sizes? Without doubt... This is just common sense. We have way too many people here. It's time to re-patriate all those that shoudn't be here in the first place. And for all you scumbags that think Whites are the ones that should go, just look at old mejeeco or zimbabwe- those toilets are what happens when Whites don't call the shots. Cheers..." now.... ( 12/18/02) Los Angeles Mayor Signs Anti-Predatory Lending Law -- -- -- -- -- -- -- not just the fantasies of 'FA': "......They forced their way into native settlements, slaughtering everyone they found there, including small children, old men, pregnant women, and even women who had just given birth. They hacked them to pieces, slicing open their bellies with their swords as though they were so many sheep herded into a pen. They even laid wagers on whether they could manage to slice a man in two at a stroke, or cut an individual's head from his body, or disembowel him with a single blow of their axes. They grabbed suckling infants by the feet and, ripping them from their mothers' breasts, dashed them headlong against the rocks. Others, laughing and joking all the while, threw them over their shoulders into a river, shouting: 'Wriggle, you little perisher.' They spared no one, erecting especially wide gibbets on which they could string their victims up with their feet just off the ground and then burn them alive thirteen at a time, in honor of our Savior and the twelve Apostles, or tie dry straw to their bodies and set fire to it. Some they chose to keep alive and simply cut their wrists, leaving their hands dangling, saying to them: 'Take this letter' -- meaning that their sorry condition would act as a warning to those hiding in the hills. The way they normally dealt with the native leaders and nobles was to tie them to a kind of griddle consisting of sticks resting on pitchforks driven into the ground and then grill them over a slow fire, with the result that they howled in agony and despair as they died a lingering death. It once happened that I myself witnessed their grilling of four or five local leaders in this fashion (and I believe they had set up two or three other pairs of grills alongside so that they might process other victims at the same time) when the poor creatures 'howls came between the Spanish commander and his sleep. He gave orders that the prisoners were to be throttled, but the man in charge of execution detail, who was more bloodthirsty than the average common hangman (I know his identity and even met some relatives of his in Seville), was loath to cut short his private entertainment by throttling them and so he personally went round ramming wooden buns into their mouths to stomp them making such a racket and deliberately stoked the fire that they would take just as long to die as he himself chose. I saw these things for myself and many others besides...." eyewitness acorn
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by The Hammer
Monday, Dec. 30, 2002 at 9:39 PM
"The way they normally dealt with the native leaders and nobles was to tie them to a kind of griddle consisting of sticks resting on pitchforks driven into the ground and then grill them over a slow fire..."
...and this is how "carnitas" were invented.
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by Enrique
Tuesday, Jun. 03, 2003 at 5:07 PM
When you say WET BACKS you are talking about your ancestors? because they had to navegate to get here or may be you can ask them if they cross the border that is most decent.
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by KOBE SBM
Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 7:34 AM
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Fuck off, you spic. Get the hell out of my country, while you're at it. Go back to whatever turd world nation you come from!
www.kobehq.com
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by KOBE SBM
Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 7:43 AM
kobehq@yahoo.com
Portuguese is a gutter language. They're as bad as spics, but not as bad as niggers.
http:/www.kobehq.com
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by FA
Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 11:02 AM
"Mr by Enrique • Monday June 02, 2003 08:07 PM
When you say WET BACKS you are talking about your ancestors? because they had to navegate to get here or may be you can ask them if they cross the border that is most decent."
When I say "WETBACK", I am referring to trash like you, amigo. Look at you! You can't even string a coherent sentence together! Ask yourself this- why would a person ON A BOAT have a "wet back"? They're on BOATS, you moron! Only scum like you and your "people", who have to slime yourselves across the Rio Grande like the criminals you are, are WETBACKS. Typical stupid beaner...
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by fsadgadsfghadfs
Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 11:16 AM
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by Red Tim
Wednesday, Jun. 04, 2003 at 4:52 PM
"fdgasdfgasd by fsadgadsfghadfs • Tuesday June 03, 2003 02:16 PM
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I'm not sure what this means, but it makes more sense than what the beaner said...
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by rogelio mendez
Monday, Jun. 09, 2003 at 4:34 PM
i Ayayay !
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by Diogenes
Monday, Jun. 09, 2003 at 5:17 PM
My guess is that this article was pulled back as a diversion from current news i.e., that it is breaking all over the place that, surprise, BUSH LIED.
I'M SHOCKED, DO YOU HEAR ME, SHOCKED!
BUSH LIED.
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