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Who Really Murdered Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman

by Joe Vialls Tuesday, Sep. 10, 2002 at 1:01 PM

Who Really Murdered Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman? British Police continue to torture least likely suspects Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr from Soham Village, while deliberately ignoring thousands of more likely suspects from nearby American Air Force Bases.


TWO OF OUR LITTLE GIRLS MAY HAVE BEEN MURDERED BY US SERVICEMEN. THEIR BODIES WERE DUMPED OUTSIDE THE PERIMETER FENCE OF USAF LAKENHEATH. NOT ONE US
SERVICEMAN HAS YET BEEN INTERVIEWED.


PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE & DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE
http://www.bigwig.net/softwaredesign/hollyjessica/who_really_murdered_holly_wells_.htm

When British police arrested Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr during the early hours of Saturday 17 August, on suspicion of the abduction and murder of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, they did so in the certain knowledge that absolutely no hard evidence existed incriminating either suspect. The reason for the rapid arrests was very simple: Just hours earlier, two small
bodies had been found near the perimeter fence at USAF Lakenheath, and the Prime Minister at 10 Downing Street was terrified of a massive political
scandal involving American servicemen based in, or transiting through, the United Kingdom.

Shortly after the arrests, British and American media organizations demonized Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr so successfully that public attention was diverted away from Lakenheath completely, and focused instead on the young couple from Soham who had earlier willingly spoken to television crews about their concerns for the well being of the two missing 10-year-old girls. Both knew the girls reasonably well. Ian Huntley was the caretaker at their school, and Maxine Carr was a former teaching auxiliary in their class.

Millions of viewers around the world watched Ian and Maxine being interviewed by the media, and most were impressed by the openness of their statements and their genuine willingness to help if possible. Experts in non-verbal communication also noticed that Ian and Maxine’s involuntary body and eye movements perfectly matched what they were saying verbally to the journalists.

In other words, both appeared to be telling the truth both verbally and non-verbally, an almost impossible feat for even a trained liar to fabricate. It is critical to note here also that both came across on television as perfectly normal, sane individuals, a reality later to be inexplicably challenged by police and psychiatrists in Cambridgeshire.

If Huntley and Carr had been involved at all with the abduction and murder of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, would they have then been stupid
enough to run the gauntlet of about 10,000 American servicemen en-route, and dump the two small bodies in a location clearly visible from Lakenheath Control Tower, taxi track, and main runway?

A serviceman with detailed knowledge of activities and procedures inside the base might get away with it unseen, but certainly not two civilians from
Soham in Cambridgeshire. So the perimeter would be an ideal dumping ground for American servicemen eager to return to “safe” territory at USAF Lakenheath, before either entering their barracks on the base, or catching a shuttle bus to USAF Mildenhall.

In an attempt to demonize Ian Huntley still further, police “leaked” the damning information that he had been arrested for rape a number of years earlier. Well, yes, almost. While still a teenager Huntley had consensual sex with his girlfriend, who was only 15-years-old at the time, an offence in the United Kingdom known as statutory rape. He was never charged with an offence however, and his former girlfriend [now age 21 years] recently confirmed it was a mutual crush [love affair], with enthusiastic sexual
consent on both sides.

So for a while at least, police and media have managed to deflect attention away from the two massive nearby USAF bases at Lakenheath and
Mildenhall, and the political minefield lurking just below the surface if the British public ever find out about the very large numbers of children abused,
raped, and sometimes murdered by American servicemen on overseas duty. So let us properly consider the “American Connection”, before
returning later in this report to the unbelievable ongoing psychological abuse of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr.

Though earlier in the investigation police declared they would be interviewing “700 known sex offenders” of British nationality, there was no mention of interviewing the 10,000+ US servicemen based in close proximity to Soham Village, or determining which other American servicemen has transited through the two bases, and on which flights,
since Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman first disappeared.

The simple fact that Holly and Jessica’s bodies were found within yards of the USAF Lakenheath perimeter fence, which in turn provides access to the American barracks within, should have had British police knocking on Lakenheath’s front door immediately. Unfortunately, any such action might have accidentally undermined Prime Minister Tony Blair’s personal slavish dedication to George W Bush's “War on Terror.”
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Mr

by Mark Friday, Sep. 13, 2002 at 8:13 AM

You sick Wankers
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Fuck off

by Hell Sunday, Sep. 15, 2002 at 5:50 PM

Ohhhhhhhh!!! They are *US* military so it must be a revolutionary thing to post here right? SHut the fuck up you idiots...
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HELL

by anonymous Monday, Sep. 16, 2002 at 6:50 AM
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bastards fuck off I hope they DIE IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mrs

by Kate Tuesday, Sep. 17, 2002 at 2:06 AM

I hope the Police havent arrested the wrong people!!
The people that cant give feedback,without swearing,then please dont!!!
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balls

by rob Tuesday, Sep. 17, 2002 at 8:48 PM

I suggest people get the facts right before entering such shite on a web site the soham girls were found after the arrest of Huntley and Carr.
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LADY

by MORGAINE Wednesday, Sep. 18, 2002 at 7:40 AM

THESE GIRLS ARE INNOCENT CHILDREN, WOULD THEY HAVE WANTED TO SEE A PAGE FULL OF FILTHY LANGUAGE?
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jiool

by okml Wednesday, Sep. 18, 2002 at 2:04 PM
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fuck, bum cunt
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rob

by brian Wednesday, Sep. 18, 2002 at 8:50 PM

' suggest people get the facts right before entering such shite on a web site the soham girls were found after the arrest of Huntley and Carr.'

Does this prove cause and effect? Red the post again. The bodies were found outside a US military establishment. That connection should at least be investigated.
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as for all the haters of free speech

by brian Wednesday, Sep. 18, 2002 at 8:53 PM

thanks for showing me what free speech is like in america. Luckily none of you is in power. Are you concerned about the two girls or that US airmen might be tried? If you have criticisms, voice them, but dont engage in progane abuse. You only give substance to the argument about yankee military behaviour abroad.
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Hmmm

by Slimey Thursday, Sep. 19, 2002 at 4:03 PM

1) The Lakenheath bases / personnel probaly should be interview , investigated. At least it will rule them out if nothing else.


2) The two suspects were arrested following surveliance and evidence being found. The bodies were indeed found after the arrests.


3) This was a terrible event which has shocked and devastated the community. With this in mind can we please start being a little nicer to one another.
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Mr

by Sean Almond Saturday, Sep. 21, 2002 at 5:07 AM

This makes interesting reading. I live in Hong Kong, and have been wondering why there was never any mention of US servicemen being intervued about the deaths of these two girls. I was also puzzled that there was relitvly very little information released regarding the circumstances of the deaths. Another point worth mentioning here is that many American servicemen are currently serving long centences for child rape and other serious offenses commited on Japanese nationals of the town of Okinawa, which happens to have a US base.
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by MOTHER Sunday, Nov. 10, 2002 at 6:15 AM

If I had my way Ian Huntley would have his bollocks stapled to a tree,,, give him a knife and then set the tree on fire. If the spineless bastard cut his own bollocks off to free himself... then leave him and her in a market square to a load of women !
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by Girl Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2002 at 1:46 AM

I am amazed that in such a horrific and awful case like this one, that views are being expressed in such an uninformed and ignorant fashion. Perhaps the point that US servicemen have been overlooked in this investigation appears criminal to whoever wrote this article, but behind the scences is where the investigation is taking place. In all honestly, this attempt to perverse the whole case with a new line of 'interest' and attention seeking ideas, is sickening. Holly and Jessica, you will be missed forever...rest in peace little angels.
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Mr.

by James Worthington Friday, Nov. 29, 2002 at 2:05 AM
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from the US: I happened to be in the UK the first 2 weeks of Aug, was sorry to hear the outcome, & after arrests I thought same as you. But then I read a lot more and now it seems possible they might not be guilty. Do the police have incontrovertable evidence?
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ms

by sum1 Saturday, Nov. 30, 2002 at 5:16 AM
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I think ian and max are innocent...i always have and yea people think im weird but i dont care..ive even written to ian and hes a really nice guy.I mean it.
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FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Clara Rivas Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 7:17 AM
kira80@terra.es 0034678069690

Could anybody explain me ''the very interesting thing'' that police have found in Huntley's house????Please????I have read every article and i can't understand why he's in prision.
This is the best article i have read...THANK YOU!!!
¿COMO PUEDEN ACUSARLO SI NO TIENEN NI UNA PRUEBA EN CLARO, NI UN TESTIGO,NI UNA DECLARACION N-A-D-A!!!?
¿QUE PASA CON LOS ANALISIS FORENSES?
No me jodais mas pero es la primera vez que veo acusar a alguien con tan pocas pruebas, a si que yo ESTOY DE PARTE DE IAN HUNTLEY Y MAXINE CARR HASTA QUE ALGUIEN ME DE UNA RAZON CONSISTENTE PARA NO ESTARLO Y SI HAY ALGO QUE HACER AQUI ME TENEIS:KIRA80@TERRA.ES
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FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Clara Rivas Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 7:28 AM
kira80@terra.es 0034678069690

Could anybody explain me ''the very interesting thing'' that police have found in Huntley's house????Please????I have read every article and i can't understand why he's in prision.
This is the best article i have read...THANK YOU!!!
¿COMO PUEDEN ACUSARLO SI NO TIENEN NI UNA PRUEBA EN CLARO, NI UN TESTIGO,NI UNA DECLARACION N-A-D-A!!!?
¿QUE PASA CON LOS ANALISIS FORENSES?
No me jodais mas pero es la primera vez que veo acusar a alguien con tan pocas pruebas, a si que yo ESTOY DE PARTE DE IAN HUNTLEY Y MAXINE CARR HASTA QUE ALGUIEN ME DE UNA RAZON CONSISTENTE PARA NO ESTARLO Y SI HAY ALGO QUE HACER AQUI ME TENEIS:KIRA80@TERRA.ES
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FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Clara Rivas Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 7:29 AM
kira80@terra.es 0034678069690

Could anybody explain me ''the very interesting thing'' that police have found in Huntley's house????Please????I have read every article and i can't understand why he's in prision.
This is the best article i have read...THANK YOU!!!
¿COMO PUEDEN ACUSARLO SI NO TIENEN NI UNA PRUEBA EN CLARO, NI UN TESTIGO,NI UNA DECLARACION N-A-D-A!!!?
¿QUE PASA CON LOS ANALISIS FORENSES?
No me jodais mas pero es la primera vez que veo acusar a alguien con tan pocas pruebas, a si que yo ESTOY DE PARTE DE IAN HUNTLEY Y MAXINE CARR HASTA QUE ALGUIEN ME DE UNA RAZON CONSISTENTE PARA NO ESTARLO Y SI HAY ALGO QUE HACER AQUI ME TENEIS:KIRA80@TERRA.ES
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FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Clara Rivas Wednesday, Dec. 11, 2002 at 7:30 AM
kira80@terra.es 0034678069690

Could anybody explain me ''the very interesting thing'' that police have found in Huntley's house????Please????I have read every article and i can't understand why he's in prision.
This is the best article i have read...THANK YOU!!!
¿COMO PUEDEN ACUSARLO SI NO TIENEN NI UNA PRUEBA EN CLARO, NI UN TESTIGO,NI UNA DECLARACION N-A-D-A!!!?
¿QUE PASA CON LOS ANALISIS FORENSES?
No me jodais mas pero es la primera vez que veo acusar a alguien con tan pocas pruebas, a si que yo ESTOY DE PARTE DE IAN HUNTLEY Y MAXINE CARR HASTA QUE ALGUIEN ME DE UNA RAZON CONSISTENTE PARA NO ESTARLO Y SI HAY ALGO QUE HACER AQUI ME TENEIS:KIRA80@TERRA.ES
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DR

by Helen Lomax Monday, Dec. 16, 2002 at 2:34 PM

I lived in Soham and i knew the two girls. I also knew the two charged with their murders. Maxine Carr may only be guilty of perverting the cause of justice, but believe me Ian Huntley is guilty. You do not know all the facts, as much as you would like to think you do. Soham is a VERY close community, please get your facts straight.
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Mr

by Anon Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2002 at 12:43 PM

What worries me greatly with this case and other cases involving similar crimes is the way violent crowds attack prison wagons carrying suspects. After all, they may be innocent, they have beng charged, but since when did that make someone guilty.
However, to be able to charge someone you need some kind of evidence. The police just carn't arrest, charge and remand someone in custody on a whim, they need some kind of justification. so if they are convinced they have their man (and woman) why waste ploice time interviewing 10,000 yanks.
Incidently, Huntley did prison time for that rape, it was a prison officer that recognised when he made all those appearances on TV, they looked closer at Huntley and i guess they found some compeling evidence.

just when quids worth.
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Anon

by Anon Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2002 at 12:45 PM

What worries me greatly with this case and other cases involving similar crimes is the way violent crowds attack prison wagons carrying suspects. After all, they may be innocent, they have beng charged, but since when did that make someone guilty.
However, to be able to charge someone you need some kind of evidence. The police just carn't arrest, charge and remand someone in custody on a whim, they need some kind of justification. so if they are convinced they have their man (and woman) why waste ploice time interviewing 10,000 yanks.
Incidently, Huntley did prison time for that rape, it was a prison officer that recognised when he made all those appearances on TV, they looked closer at Huntley and i guess they found some compeling evidence.

just when quids worth.
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Anon

by Anon Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2002 at 12:46 PM

What worries me greatly with this case and other cases involving similar crimes is the way violent crowds attack prison wagons carrying suspects. After all, they may be innocent, they have beng charged, but since when did that make someone guilty.
However, to be able to charge someone you need some kind of evidence. The police just carn't arrest, charge and remand someone in custody on a whim, they need some kind of justification. so if they are convinced they have their man (and woman) why waste ploice time interviewing 10,000 yanks.
Incidently, Huntley did prison time for that rape, it was a prison officer that recognised when he made all those appearances on TV, they looked closer at Huntley and i guess they found some compeling evidence.

just when quids worth.
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Anon

by Anon Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2002 at 12:50 PM

What worries me greatly with this case and other cases involving similar crimes is the way violent crowds attack prison wagons carrying suspects. After all, they may be innocent, they have beng charged, but since when did that make someone guilty.
However, to be able to charge someone you need some kind of evidence. The police just carn't arrest, charge and remand someone in custody on a whim, they need some kind of justification. so if they are convinced they have their man (and woman) why waste ploice time interviewing 10,000 yanks.
Incidently, Huntley did prison time for that rape, it was a prison officer that recognised when he made all those appearances on TV, they looked closer at Huntley and i guess they found some compeling evidence.

just when quids worth.
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anon

by anon Thursday, Dec. 19, 2002 at 2:10 PM

You are overlooking the fact that items were found in the school which pointed to Ian Huntley as being the killer. What do you have to say about that?
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Ian + Maxine

by or not.... Monday, Dec. 23, 2002 at 5:53 AM

I would have to say...'Free Maxine' I believe the woman is innocent and I understand that some people don't. However, please don't go around slagging them off and attacking them while leaving the real killers to sit at home, watching, laughing....
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Mr

by Mike Monday, Dec. 23, 2002 at 6:17 AM

Either way - People can say "I know he's guilty/innocent" so fucking what. Whats that if not another form of rhetoric. The whole situation stinks of a conspiracy. The British newspapers are just a pack of wolves the Authority send in to stir up the storm. We don't need that and don't want that either, its just as sick. What we need is rationality, reason and facts. Only then will we arrive at the truth. The whole situation looks suspect thats for sure.
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Ms

by Fi Saturday, Jan. 04, 2003 at 3:56 PM

I'm 16 years old and i come from Scotland, I suppose your wondering what I would know about all this and the truth is I know as much as the rest of the Brittish public and that is that Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr are guilty. I dont beleive that its a set up at all. They are sick sick people and should be exicuted. Did you know that Holly and Jessicas bodies were almost certainly in the the girls school through out the investigation of their disappearence and then murder. They were in the furnist while all the press realeases were being held in the hall of the school. wait and see what happens in the trial. i know the brittish press are like wolves but the Brittish public was gripped and torn by what happened to the two 10year olds and its about time we knew the truth. I personally dont think there is any conspiracy theory, i think they have the right people.
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ms

by alive and aware Saturday, Jan. 04, 2003 at 4:47 PM

I feel there's probably a fair amount of truth in this. Ian Huntley was held with much secrecy and the timing for UK support desparately needed by the US makes the airforce edge sound plausible. All avenues need investigation. Everything got sewed up and explained without much being really told to the public about the facts. The trail will be interesting - funny it hasn't been held already - you'd think with all the baying for blood something would have happened.

Whatever the truth may be the british public have already made up their mind, apoligies to Ms 16 but it's once you are no longer a teenager you learn you don't actually know it all and never have any hope in hell of even touching on the reality of 'truth' - especially if you believe what is being fed to you.
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A Soham citizen

by Helen Lomax Wednesday, Jan. 08, 2003 at 12:43 AM

The 'facts' that a lot of you seem to be dwelling on are hardly going to be released before trial are they! NO there hasn't been a trial yet, it has been sent to the old bailey. The reason for this is so that there is a fair trial, and with so many narrow minded people around that is going to prove difficult. There are many things that link Ian Huntley to the girls murders, and the way in which some of you are saying there is nothing to link him is sickening. The police never tell the press what lines of enquiry they are following during a case, that would be plain silly. The only reason i know what went on is because i come from Soham. IF the findings are allowed to be made public, then it is the parents and families of those girls you should be feeling for. They obviously know everything that has been found and have almost come to terms with it, but to have it reported in the press and milled over by a bunch of narrow minded 'so called' freedom speakers is a different matter. I personally hope everything is kept silent so that small minded people like some of you still have something to expel hot air over, and Holly and Jessica can rest in peace. And just remember, killers do not walk round with murderer on their forehead! Some people aren't so 'nice' when the truth comes out.
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WUT

by Janice Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003 at 5:30 AM
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I don't know what you guys think buying saying all of this becuz it doesn't help it won't bring goodness to anybody. no matter what they will never find the killer. THEY NEVER DO. i was raped when i was 8, 3 times then i was raped out side my school after the dance when i was 13 and i lived in the same community when i was raped at age 8, and all those rapes were by same man and he is still out there, and everyday i m scared to send my twin doughters to school. and it doesn't feel good. everyday i wish i could just like you guys can do and be okay the next day. BUT i will never be okay. so if you guys think letting the suspects go then think again. when my cuzin was raped they thought they cought the guy and they did only they let him go becuase they thought he was the wrong one, and went after her and stalked her for 15 years! to all you girls be careful do not trust anybody!
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Ms

by Caz Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003 at 10:37 AM

Helen; I understand where you are coming from, i have relatives in Soham and they say the community is just trying to forget, they aren't looking for people to blame...it's the rest of the UK. Personally I feel that from what I have been told, they have got the right man, although if it were to come out at the trial that he did nothing unlawlful then I will be the first to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. Maxine Carr, however seems to be a different case, although I feel it was wrong of her to lie about something so serious, I think the mass hysteria afterwards was appalling, especially when she was travelling to court in August. Everyone has the right to travel to court safely. This is most probably the reason she was denied bail and because of this I am sad. I know people must be feeling angry but to deny a woman her freedom because there is fear for her life is completely wrong. I am ashamed to live in a country where child murders are becoming more and more common, however I am even more ashamed to live in a country where justice is a foreign word and where these children's murderers are treated better than the families, while people charged with trivial offences are left in the gutter. Is this what the UK judicial system has stooped to?
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Too many opinions, too few facts

by Michael Depardieu Tuesday, Jan. 21, 2003 at 5:13 PM

I don't claim to know everything about this tragic case, so I have no opinion on the guilt of Huntley or Carr. Here in the US, you're to be supposed innocent until proven guilty--not that it always happens.

I do believe that Huntley and Carr have been infamously treated, and pray they won't be convicted of hideous crimes on scant, coerced, or fabricated evidence. I agree that to ignore any possible incrimination of US airmen seems irresponsible. I believe also that somehow--God knows how!--the media must be prevented from convicting people before they come to trial.

On the flip side, if I were Ian Huntley and had killed Holly and Jessica, I could think of no better place to leave their bodies than where they were found.

My heart goes out to the families of Holly and Jessica and to the town of Soham. May you rally and recover together.
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To Heleen Lomax specially

by Clara Rivas Friday, Jan. 24, 2003 at 2:30 AM
Kira80@terra.es 0034678069690 c.cisneros27,4p.2.28922Alcorc'on,Madrid

I don't mind if you are from Soham or Hong Kong, I don't mind if you met Ian to say he's guilty...I DON'T BELIVE YOU because you don't explain the items to point to Huntley as guilty so, don't tell me your life...it doesn't count at all...I think people who live in little towns like Soham have a very closed mind,in this case i think they needed a guilty ASAP!!!!infortunately,Ian was there...I don't know if Huntley is the killer but i have nothing to find Ian guilty...How died the two girls_Something was found in the bodies to say Ian is the killer..Somebody saw something..Ian pleads guilty...Some of blood on the Ian's clothes...''''''''''No, NOTHING!!!!THEY HAVE NOTHING,so...they need investigate more.....police are killing families in life
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miss

by elain Sunday, Feb. 02, 2003 at 3:37 PM

Has anyone heard how they were killed, and what was done to them before they were killed? That information may give an insight into the character of their killer/s. Were they sexually abused, and if so by more than 1 person? Were they tortured and cut up while alive? Were they diliberately killed or left to die from their wounds? There are many questions to which only their killer/s and probably the police have the answers. Without these answers the public are not qualified to pass judgement on the case
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Lord

by Gregg McKenzie Sunday, Feb. 16, 2003 at 12:31 PM
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As this crime is just so horrific I, like most people, have wanted the perpetrators to be swiftly caught and tried but I've been all to gullable and simply trusted the media's line that Huntley and Carr did it. On reading the facts in Joe Vialls level headed report http://www.bigwig.net/softwaredesign/hollyjessica/who_really_murdered_holly_wells_.htm I agree that a cover-up is afoot! Aerial photographs of the perimeter of U.S. Lakenheath show the path where the girls bodies were found and it's true that it's a well trodden path - there's dog walkers passing that way from dawn to dusk every day. NO WAY on day 10 would any suspect from Soham shift the bodies to that location under the scrutiny of the police and locals. Think about it!

The treatment metered out to the two suspects, the fickle public's braying for blood and the offensive comments posted on this site I find truly alarming! There's a possibilty that Huntley and Carr are innocent and surely the REAL KILLERS should be found and punished! If you say you 'know' Huntley did it, you must have been there, otherwise just offer your opinion - that's all you have!


Personally I've always found it odd that two ten year olds in possession of a mobile phone could be transported, attacked and killed by one person with one pair of hands. Logistically it doesn't add up! The perpetrator would need to use of both hands to do anything and one of the girls could have ran away, atttracted attention or at least have pulled hair, bite or scratch the assailant! Huntley & Carr had no such wounds.

To those folk who cannot conceive of a conspiracy or cover-up, please drop the line that you 'know' they're guilty - you simply don't know! And if you believe the bodies were stored at the girl's school for ten days before being shifted by Huntley to Lakenheath, you've sadly underestimated the skills of police forensic team!

Just consider for a moment that if Carr and Huntley are innocent how traumatising this is for them and how irreversible that trauma would be. Remember I said 'If they're innocent'!
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Flimsy conspiracy nonsense

by True Brit Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2003 at 5:14 AM
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Oh dear.

Why does the author of this "The real truth..." article think he knows better than the Cambridgeshire Police do about what happened in Soham?

I think the only unfair element of the case was the way the media - bored to tears because Parliament was in recess - protrayed the 'vile murderers' .. they behaved abhorrently, as though H&C were already convicted.

Joe Viall, as evidenced by his other "truths" on his site (about Sep 11th etc) is entitled to say whatever he wants, no question (albeit from the comfort of his Western Australian home.) But leave the detective work up to the Police on the ground, I think they know better than the rest of us, no?

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Thankyou for investigating

by Sharon Holford Friday, Feb. 21, 2003 at 3:20 AM

Something just didnt ring true for me during this whole thing. And look at the two police officers brought to shame. Certainly this has been hushed up - would be VERY interested to see what Paul Britton has to say about this. Thankyou - I will distribute.
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What actually happened?

by Nicole Sunday, Feb. 23, 2003 at 10:06 AM
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What did actually happen to those girls? How can the police keep this from the public, when it has affected us all? PLease if anyone knows how they were killed or what actually happened please say. THe public have a right to know.
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the real one

by concrete pete Sunday, Mar. 09, 2003 at 7:56 PM

THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE IS NOT ME- THE REAL CONCRETE PETE. WHOEVER DID THAT WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND PROSECUTED, OR WORSE. ANY POSTS AFTER THIS ONE BY ANYONE NAMED ''CONCRETE PETE" WILL BE AN IMPERSONATOR, AND WILL BE DEALT WITH HARSHLY. WEBMASTER- PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ALLOWING ANY FURTHER POSTS FROM ANYONE CALLING THEMSELVES BY MY NAME. THANK YOU.
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the real one

by concrete pete Sunday, Mar. 09, 2003 at 8:05 PM

THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE IS NOT ME- THE REAL CONCRETE PETE. WHOEVER DID THAT WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND PROSECUTED, OR WORSE. ANY POSTS AFTER THIS ONE BY ANYONE NAMED ''CONCRETE PETE" WILL BE AN IMPERSONATOR, AND WILL BE DEALT WITH HARSHLY. WEBMASTER- PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ALLOWING ANY FURTHER POSTS FROM ANYONE CALLING THEMSELVES BY MY NAME. THANK YOU.
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not ignorant

by sarah rolls Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:52 PM
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anybody that has the intelligence to think for themselves and believes that the goverment is more concerned with power, world domination and money than doing THE RIGHT THING. will see the truth in this. Mr balls and Mr Hell need to find a dictionary.(thick idiots)
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Mrs

by umber Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 4:26 AM

I cant believe that this website exists. Carr and Huntley have pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of justice - what more proof is needed???????????
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miss

by em Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 9:02 AM

u r entitled to your oppinion but to tell people you have wrote to him your sick.
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by M Thursday, Apr. 17, 2003 at 9:43 AM

I'm very interested by the comments of ex Soham resident Helen Lomax , who says she knew the parties involved & is convinced of the guilt of Ian Huntley.
I have never seen a case which has been shrouded in so much mystery. We have been given no details of how these unfortunate girls met their ends, or any of the evidence which has Huntley on trial. Surely Ms Lomax should give more information to this forum to fully substantiate why she believes Huntley is the killer.
The theory that the killers may have been American servicemen is an interesting one which has not even been mentioned in the mainstream media. Hopefully the court case will make this murky case a little clearer - but more infromation from Ms Lomax would be appreciated. We don't wan't another innocent person going to prison to satisfy the police & the media like the unfortunate Barry George.
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Ms

by Keelana humger Friday, Apr. 18, 2003 at 9:38 AM

In this day and age of modern technology, you surely must understand that the investigation cant be taken lightly. What is all this stuff about U.S sevicemen? It does not matter what race/ natonality/ creed/ religion, military service, etc.etc. Is there some kind of grudge thing going on here? Ok so the bodies were found at RAF Lakenheath. and please dont think this the wrong way but so what? If they had planted the bodies near Islham would it have meant that the murdererer was an Islham person?
If the bodis had been planted at Burwell, would that have meant that that the killer was in Burwell?
Lets just let the British Justice system deal with it all. We will find out wheather or not that the two who have been accused have actually done it or not.
Meanwhile I have watched the parents of Holly and Jessica on television. They deserve our utmost respect. After what I have read from some of this site I must admit I am slightly ashamed.

I live in Soham and I , personally, am not baying for blood. I like most am just searching for the truth.

God rest thier souls........
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MMM

by Anastasia Friday, Apr. 18, 2003 at 11:27 AM

I read the above link posted by Gregg and I noticed that it made a reference to the anti-malarial (Larium) drug that was given to U.S. Servicemen.

Note: We had people from my base in Afghanistan last year and none of them were given Larium, so to say that it's been given to everyone serving over there is false.
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Phil

by H Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 12:50 PM

Drivel.

To begin with the girls' bodies were found on the 18th August, the day AFTER Huntley and Carr were arrested, not "hours before" as Vialls claims. If he can't get a simple fact like that right how good is the rest of it? In Vialls' perverted logic the conviction of 11 US servicemen since 1955 for rape makes every one of the 250, 000 the US has stationed abroad at any one time a paedophile and/or a rapist. Yeah right.

Let's look at this for what it is. Not a serious investigation of a miscarriage of justice, we won't know if that's occured until we've heard the full evidence, but a rather sick, disgusting attempt to exploit this tragedy for the purposes of anti-American propaganda.

Perhaps Vialls can explain why Huntley has pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of justice and why both he and Carr applied for their jobs at the school under false names?
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ms

by clia Thursday, May. 01, 2003 at 5:13 AM

Both are innocent of murder as they haven't been convicted. Maxine isn't even charged with the murders, the reason they changed their names was as a result of family problems, Carr's father left when she was a toddler and Huntley's parents split up...when they got back together he changed his name back to Huntley.

None of this can account for Joe Vialls' crappy article though.
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Miss

by X Tuesday, Jun. 10, 2003 at 9:59 PM

Has Everyone just forgotton about innocent until proven guilty. Lets face it the British justice system does have a habit of locking up the wrong people!!!!!

And police who were working on the case where then found to be involved in Child Porn?????

The whole case seem a bit of a mess to me!!!!
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Ms

by Virginia Berkholz Wednesday, Jun. 11, 2003 at 2:30 AM
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Thank you for your article on Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr. I feel a sense of relief in reading your article. When Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr were charged so quickly, and the press coverage was so huge, it seemed exceptionally odd that in all the hype there was no mention of any evidence. All it did was make me suspicious of what was really going on. Then Ian Huntley is taken to a psychiatric hospital and locked up (on what evidence?) and now we hear he suffers from depression (seems to me a healthy and 'normal' response to a grossly injust situation) and is locked up ALONE! Has he any support at all? Has he access to a human rights lawyer? Has he ever had? I find this situation extremely worrying, and I am not even involved, except as another citizen.
Do you know how it is that the authorities (do the police have ultimate say here - surely not - so who is behind these actions) can just lock someone up like this when nothing has been proved? (Perhaps I am extremely naive but I cannot comprehend how they get away with it.)
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Mr

by Lenny Wednesday, Jun. 11, 2003 at 4:50 AM
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I Hope that if Ian Huntley is guilty he lives to be 120 years old having his balls battered everyday with a hammer. When he reaches 120 I hope somebody sets fire to his room and he burns slowly to death over a period of 3 hours. Sick Sick Person
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Your gay

by Mathew Edney Thursday, Jun. 12, 2003 at 10:39 PM
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mathew is quere and he knows he is.
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Your gay

by Mathew Edney Thursday, Jun. 12, 2003 at 10:40 PM
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mathew is quere and he knows he is.
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Your gay

by Mathew Edney Thursday, Jun. 12, 2003 at 10:40 PM
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mathew is quere and he knows he is.
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i dont understand

by Phil mecracken Wednesday, Jun. 18, 2003 at 7:55 AM

im sorry but i dont understand what the fuck you are talking about
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i dont understand

by Phil mecracken Wednesday, Jun. 18, 2003 at 7:55 AM

im sorry but i dont understand what the fuck you are talking about
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Mr.

by Techno Destructo Friday, Jun. 27, 2003 at 12:47 PM

This case smells way too much like the Canadian "Ken and Barbie" killings of young girls in the early 90's. Karla Homolka aided her sick husband in those killings because she was so slavishly mesmerized by his spell. At least 5 crime books have been written about that case. No doubt this case will generate its own share of crime novels, after the trial is over. I agree that this sounds like a two-person crime, and not just a single criminal.

As for the article, what a mountain of dog poop! This is the foolish-type of person I don't argue with in life--I just knod and smile and then excuse myself from his loony company. It sounds like the Australian sun has baked his silly brain really good.
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Errrrrr...

by Gregg McKenzie Friday, Jul. 18, 2003 at 12:34 AM

Errrrrr... Mr. Techno Destructo - that's racism! Joe Vialls research on the Yvonne Fletcher case (Lybian Embassy, London 1984) and the Martin Bryant case in Tasmania are excellent journalism. Saying 'the Australian sun has baked his silly brain really good' [sic] is just a waste of keystrokes!

'Perverting the course of justice' so far amounts to Carr and Huntley's stories getting a mixed up thus implying their guilt. But more is needed - there's no evidence apparent other than that Huntley's gone a bit mad but really, wouldn't anyone? Either falsely accussed or guilty, Rampton Hospital conditions would drive anyone to suicide.
Let the evidence come out. At least through Joe Vialls website we've seen arial shots of Lakeheath's perimeter where the girls bodies were found!
I agree with comments above that the public have a right to know, Huntley and Carr have a right to an unbiased trial and if found not guilty, the real murderer(s) must be apprehended and tried. Problems with the Police investigation? - a resounding Yes!
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russ

by don juan Thursday, Aug. 21, 2003 at 2:16 AM

Well Well Well....... the police officer arrested for child porn offences who was on this case had been cleared they stiched him up to take the public mind of the real story............
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Me

by I. Am. He. Thursday, Aug. 21, 2003 at 2:23 PM

The fact that there have been only 11 convictions doesn't mean that it's a rare event. The simple fact is that the armed forces of many nations (not least of all Britain) have an appalling record of sexual abuse (and worse) of women and children all over the World. This has been well documented despite being covered up (for obvious reasons) by the various nation states. In Kenya the British Army has been accused of the systematic rape of 100's of local women and not one soldier has been questioned about it let alone convicted. Again there is evidence of a cover up by both the Kenyan authorities and the MOD. That said, the scale of the problem is hotly disputed by ordinary Kenyans and of course the MOD alike.

When you consider that the MOD has been covering up the mysterious deaths of young servicemen in the army going back several years then it doesn't take much of a leap of the imagination to suppose it is possible that the same could be true here. The whole case has been shrouded in mystery and some of the "facts" just don't seem to add up. When you now take into account that Ian has tried to commit suicide when he was under 24 hour suicide watch, it just adds another twist in the tale.

I don't have a view on whether he is guilty or not because I'm not aware of all the evidence. However, it wouldn't be the first time the Police have "found" their man and then built their case around him. There are a great many examples of where the Police have fabricated evidence to secure a conviction because they believed they had the right man and because of this belief they feel their actions are justified.

Given the length of time Ian Huntly has been in custody it's hard to believe that he will be found anything other than guilty. If he is found to be innocent then the Police and the Government will be ripped apart by the papers for letting the real killers get off the hook as the trail will be very cold after more than a year. In fact, following this line of logic Huntly is guilty and the Police must have the evidence they need to secure a conviction, how else could they hold him for this long without a trial. I expect they have been holding out simply to ensure that he was fit for trial rather than pleading insanity and "getting off" with it.

I've also read on here that there is the view that child murder is on the increase. Again this simply isn't the case. In fact, if anything, the incidence of child murder has decreased in the last 50 years. It's just much better reported nowadays with 24 hour news programmes, the Internet and God knows how many Newspapers in circulation. As a result, every violent and terrible murder gets transmitted to most of the World within hours of it happening and we all feel less safe as a result because it seems to be happening all the time.
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Mr

by I. Am. He. Thursday, Aug. 21, 2003 at 2:26 PM

Sounds to me as if you are little on the sick side as well. (No offence but come on)
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what if ...

by lisa j Tuesday, Sep. 23, 2003 at 5:44 AM
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Now Now ! i understand your points but we can't play any games with this. The worldwide out poor of grief for these girls was overwhelming, mainly from media intervention which i do not necessarily agree with.The police had to take a sensitive approach to this particular case, and also the question of a fair trial for maxine and ian is an important factor. The police needed a suspect, and although we have not heard any concrete evidence my argument is this. If they let them go, what if they were the murderers ?? But to be honest if they did not have sufficient enogh evidence they wouldnt be in the position they are. Other contribuatry factors the school the location the personal connec tion. In the past we have seen cases with close family or friend ties . With the constant media presence in this case it is hard to formulate your own unbiased oppinion. But i believe this let god judge the final outcome. taken too soon
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with regards your theory

by ANTHONY ROOKE Saturday, Oct. 11, 2003 at 2:00 AM
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Mmm,
So working on your theory, [its link with relaity quite tenuous at best] the Yorkshire Ripper didn't do it - because he ran the risk of dumping bodies in places he could easily have been discovered. Shall I go on with other multiple killers working in the same 'risky' fashion?

I shall be in court for the Soham trial and be totally amazed if Cambridgeshire police haven't got an airtight case. As for the Liason Officer with a murky past or political motives from Blair and co - this is just pathetic hogwash. The body language argument is so flawed and subjective it's ridiculous. Psychopaths and sane people alike can fool polygraphs - so what? Huntley was in shock - his behaviour was consistent with this and this alone. Innocent or otherwise he would have behaved much the same. He didnt have time to think calmly so his body language was consistent with normal reactions given the very strange circumstances.

I don't know what the Aussie police are like 'mate', but here they very rarely risk charging a couple on offences as grave as these without a very good fighting chance in the courts.

It will transpire that Huntley and Carr will probably go for the samedefence that Moors killers Hindley and Brady went for. 'We had the kids but passed them on'.

Whatever their defence, the forensic evidence alone wil be damning. And in a few months from now, you will be wondering what quite drove you to postulate such utter, amateur and ridiculous drivel. Grow up.
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Miss Letitia

by ? Saturday, Nov. 08, 2003 at 4:00 AM

This could be possible........ Why has Mr Huntly not admitted to the murders after so long being interragated. With the evidence collected to frame him surly a guilty man would now admit to reduce sentencing...........Its been knowen to happen that the british goverment can plant things to frame someone,also witnesses can be easily bribed....Could this have happend here?...I dont know...... Justice for darling Holly and Jessica.....
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Tack

by Tack Tack Sunday, Nov. 09, 2003 at 1:26 PM

The standard of discussion, grammar and spelling on this site is very poor indeed. I would be surprised if any of you could put forward a reasoned argument for, or, against the accused persons. I look forward to reading more monosylabic "cyber" grunting in the near future. By the way, Huntley is guilty as hell. He has displayed all of the classic signs of guilty behaviour after the fact. He has stayed close to police, asked too many questions, appeared to be helpful at every occasion. He is almost screaming "I did it, it was me"!
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Mr

by Omega Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 7:48 PM

When Huntley and Carr were first arrested I sought the opinion of a friend, who happens to be a forensic expert (not connected with the case in any way), on the the likelihood of their guilt or innocence. He told me that the most prevalent view amongst his colleagues in the medical, prison and legal establishment was that the unfortunate Huntley fitted the ideal suspect profile so closely that a guilty verdict would be a certainty. He opined further that Carr seemed unlikely to be 'turned' by the prosecution and could expect a term of seven years in jail.
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Mrs

by Hampson Thursday, Nov. 13, 2003 at 8:09 AM
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I'll bet now the trial has started, some of you are already eating your words, especially as the girls clothes were actually found in Huntley's house, cut in half, placed in a plastic bag, with his fingerprints on the inside. Well explain that one away. Also, to those of you who comment about not knowing any details. Of course the Police don't release details, you fools, this is supposed to be a fair trial. Having worked in murder incident rooms for many years, I feel qualified to say, that the police don't usually leave any stone unturned, especially in such a high profile case. It is not in their interest to make mistakes or omissions. Even when suspects are charged, they will still be following up further leads, just to make sure they've got it right. Even if some wacky medium rings up and says I dreamed this ....................... last night, believe it or not they still look into it. In this country the Police have not only to tread on eggshells, but live on them as well.
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u dunno wat ur talkin about claire rivers

by anon Thursday, Nov. 13, 2003 at 12:14 PM

if u paid attention ud realise that all the evidence points to ian huntley
1st carr has pleaded guilty to assisting huntley
2nd he 'just happend' change his unworn car tyres and completly clean th einterior of his car
3rd he used to live around the area in which the girls were found
id like u 2 read this then make ur own assumtions
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SSSShhhhhhh!!!!! Listen.

by damo Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2003 at 3:51 AM

Everything has gone a bit quiet all of a sudden.
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mum of 5

by sharon Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2003 at 9:51 AM

i have always thought he was innocent look at the pain in his eyes , hes had that pain since he was a child look at the picture of him at 7 in the papers the police are just covering up they need a suspect and theyre nailing him, why dont they question those 2 police men who were in a peodophile ring that were working on the case at the time?, two much of a coincidence if you ask me. i loathe child molesters and killers with a passion iid kill them with my bare hands if i had the chance, but i believe this guy is innocent , so leaving the real killer or killers to kill again. its a stich up mark my words and all those who are daming him will live to eat there words, those that think hes innocent stand up and have your say ,ants are strong when they work together
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Mum

by Me Tuesday, Nov. 25, 2003 at 2:06 PM

Why is Huntley likely to admit that they died in his house shortly after entering and that there was no one else in there if he is innocent? If it was an accident then why didn't he call an ambulance? It looks like he will plead temporary insanity, this is why the defence team are at great pains to explain how he was clearly planning a cover up, rather than rushing around in a crazed panic.
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mrs

by ashbourne Thursday, Nov. 27, 2003 at 6:55 PM
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I think reading back that I wanted some answers tonight - I hope that Holly and Jessica's parents get the answers they hope for. It seems obvious that we will all learn the truth in the end however boring it may be to us.
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The case against Huntley is very strong

by Son of the Morning Friday, Nov. 28, 2003 at 12:04 AM

He kept pestering the cops about DNA evidence. The pollen samples found in the trunk of his car and on three pairs of shoes match the flora of the area where the girls were buried.

He doesn't look like a killer to me, but that's not admissible in court.
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Where's the evidence?

by Hugh Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003 at 1:17 AM

So far i am convinced of 2 facts:-
1. The girls disappeared on the evening of 4th August
2. Their bodies were reported as having been found on 17th August.
The rest of it sounds like a poor quality detective story and i don't beleve it at all. Go and take a look at Lakenheath and see what chance you would have of setting fire to the bodies outside the fence and not be seen. Impossible. Take a look at a Ford Fiesta and see if you can place 2 bodies in the boot. Etc etc....
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let them rest in peace

by confused Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003 at 7:49 AM

we are now about day 16 through this appaling trial and ian huntingley has admitted that these two girls died in his house but puts it down to an accident. The evidence the defence has given has been lame by anyone's standards and after hearing all the evidence it will be down to 12 people like you and me to find these two people guilty or not guilty. I guess we should all count our lucky stars that we are not on that jury having to look at pictures and hear such appaling evidence. And what we must remember is two families have lost their little girls in such tragic circumstances. if they can handle themselves with such self respect and strength why do people feel the need to leave comments of such filth on this site. May justice be done and these two angels left to rest in peace
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Nonsense

by Stu Redman Wednesday, Dec. 03, 2003 at 12:18 PM

Joe Vialls article is utter nonsense - as are his continued updates.

For example - in his December 1st article he claimed that it was 'leaked' to the jury that Huntley had previously been accused of rape. He goes on to say that the jury was not told how he was later acquitted through video evidence.

Those are two outright lies.

First of all - the jury was told in open court that Huntley had previously been accused of rape (this came out in transctripts of Maxine Carr's phone calls). And they were also told of his acquittal.

It's something they have now been told a number of times.

At best - this means Joe is incompetent.

At worst - it means he's lying - in an attempt to further his own daft agenda.

It also calls into question his numerous other rants.

Please bear this in mind before treating this loon's articles as gospel.
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Huntly

by Graham Wednesday, Dec. 03, 2003 at 2:40 PM
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Huntly...
bckeefscarf.jpg, image/jpeg, 400x548

Is there something wrong with you. Have you been staring at the american flag for too long. You certainly are crazy, maybe even a bit brainwashed. The facts are he lured them into his house on the pretext that Maxinne was in the bath upstairs, had his way with them, then murdered them both. Later hiding the bodies at Lakenheath. What is it you don't understand......
It has nothing at all to do with silly america soldiers at all. If it had you would by now have had american servicemen on trial. Do you think our policemen are as stupid as yours. At least ours dont follow football players up the motorway in his car with blood on his hands and let him walk free. Your letter is nothing but s***e. Like yourself.
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Facts?

by Hugh Thursday, Dec. 04, 2003 at 3:59 AM

At this stage, it is not a fact that Huntley lured the girls into his house and murdered them; it will only become a fact when and if the jury reaches a verdict of guilty.

But it is, and it will remain, a fact that Huntley’s car is too small for him to have put their bodies into the boot (trunk) before driving them to Lakenheath, (assuming that is where they were really found).

Therefore the girls did not leave the village in Huntley’s car and therefore he did not murder them.

We can enjoy Ian Huntley’s lengthy trial and take satisfaction when he is sent down for the rest of his life, but don’t forget, whoever committed this terrible crime remains free, possibly to do the same again.
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nonsense

by me Thursday, Dec. 04, 2003 at 8:23 AM

a ford fiesta has ample boot space to put 2 small children in - stop talkin bollocks.....
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Hmmm

by Stu Redman Thursday, Dec. 04, 2003 at 3:57 PM

Hugh I assume you're talking from experience?

I must say it is quite shocking that someone would go onto the Internet and happily admit trying to stuff small dead girls into the boot of a Ford Fiesta.

But then how else would you know it's a 'fact' the boot was too small?
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who done it?

by flow Tuesday, Dec. 09, 2003 at 3:31 AM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 31, 2003
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ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, Suffolk – A sergeant assigned to the 451st Intelligence Operations Squadron at RAF Menwith Hill, United Kingdom, was sentenced by a military judge to a dishonorable discharge, confinement for six years, and a reduction in grade to E-1 during a court-martial here, July 23.

Tech. Sgt. Randy Bitter pleaded guilty to one specification of Article 120, Uniform Code of Military Justice, carnal knowledge with a female family member under 12 years old, and two specifications of Article 134, UCMJ, indecent acts with the same victim.
The UCMJ contains the laws that all servicemembers must obey.

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hmmm

by Hugh Tuesday, Dec. 09, 2003 at 5:50 AM

Perhaps Stu Redman has not seen a Ford Fiesta, or perhaps, since he has not mentioned any shock at another recent letter on this page, he also finds that “ a ford fiesta has ample boot space to put 2 small children in…”.

Huntley has admitted closing the boot with the two bodies inside, which is most helpful to the prosecution since no-one will ask the jury to consider whether it is actually possible for him to have done so.

Come to think of it, how convenient that Huntley has admitted to everything that the prosecution could wish for (and as a bonus has denied murder with the result that they can destroy his absurd “explanation”, without the need for a plausible alternative). I wonder if the case would have come to trial if there had been the possibility of serious questioning of the evidence, or rigorous cross examination of the witnesses.

But why has he been so helpful? He could have denied everything and let the prosecution try and prove its case. Alternatively, if he believed he was guilty he could have pleaded guilty, and the trial would have been completed in a few days. Instead he chooses the worst possible option for himself.

All very strange.

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let it be....

by sexkitten401 Friday, Dec. 12, 2003 at 2:18 AM
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has any1 took notice to what has happened in the court case. There certainly is significant evidence pointing towards the conviction of Ian Huntly. He know admits to perverting the courts of justice and he admits that both girls died in his house, accidently. How could two 10 yr olds die without putting up a fight. His story is laughable. i feel so sorry for the families of both of these girls.

maxine carr is as much to blame for not going to the police when she suspected he had killed them. She to is sick. There storys do not add together there is still somethin missing from this huge jigsaw puzzle. Could some one else be involved... but we are only opinionators let the police and forensics do there job, we as the public can do nothing to intervine so let us all rest as at the end of the day whether he is guilty or not we cannot change the verdict that the judge will give unless any1 out there has significant evidence towards the case...........
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Mr

by DaveW Saturday, Dec. 13, 2003 at 5:35 AM
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Load of nonsense and a complete disrespect for the Memory of Holly and Jessica.

Read the facts and the evidence given. I have now read of 1000 pages of transcripts from all sides of this case.

Huntley, Guilty of Murrder
Carr, Guilty of perverting the course of justice, but not guilty of assisting a known offender.

See transcripts of the trial at http://www.sky.com/news and search for soham transcripts
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chris

by cj Sunday, Dec. 14, 2003 at 7:30 AM

parents of children holly and jessica had previous
convictions and were not of good character-police
said there is more to case than meets the eye
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by H2310 Sunday, Dec. 14, 2003 at 10:03 AM

At last, someone who’s done a bit of research. DaveW has read 1000 pages of transcripts, from all sides, and his conclusion agrees with the news media. Until now I had been doubtful about much of the evidence, and thought it looked like a fit up, so it’s good that Dave can confirm that they are guilty.

I’ve been doing a little research myself over the last few weeks; I’ve visited car dealers and looked inside the boots of Ford Fiestas of various ages and I’ve taken a few measurements.

What I want to know is how Huntley closed the boot of his Fiesta with the bodies of two 10 year olds inside. It’s very small and the wheel arches take up quite a lot of space; even one body wouldn’t be that easy.

But two bodies? My sister-in-law has a Fiesta and she says “not a chance”. In fact everyone I’ve spoken to says it can’t be done. I know Huntley says it’s possible, but who can believe anything that man says?

What do you think Dave?
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This is ridiculous

by Philip Dore Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003 at 6:06 AM
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I really don't see any point in continueing with this debate. Ian Huntley has admitted that the girls died in his house and that he disposed of the bodies. Maxine Carr has admitted that she lied to police (though she insists that she genuinely believed he was not the killer).

Too much details are in the public domain to give any further credence to this silly conspiracy theory. Forget about it.
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This is not ridiculous

by h2310 Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003 at 9:11 AM

If you don’t see any point in continuing with this debate, why bother to continue with it yourself?

And who are you to tell anybody to forget about it? For my part I will forget about it when I find out how he fitted the bodies in the boot, and I don’t imagine that’s something you are capable of explaining; looks like you’re too lazy or too stupid to understand what this “trial” is really about.
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Question for H2310

by Stu Redman Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003 at 10:44 AM

Do tell - what is the trial really about?

Because I - having sat through this trial for the last six weeks - I was under the impression it was about the murder of two young girls.
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Question for H2310

by Stu Redman Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003 at 10:46 AM

So what exactly is this trial about?

Having sat through it for the last six weeks - I was under the impression it was about the murder of two young girls.

What do reckon it's about - some ludicrous theory tying them into the war with Iraq?
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h2310 Question

by h2310 Wednesday, Dec. 17, 2003 at 12:02 AM

Sitting in the Old Bailey for 6 weeks – what can this mean? Juror? – one hopes not. Member of the public? - could be. Or a journalist perhaps… Who knows?

Anyway, to your question. I reckon it’s about solving the crime without the bother of finding who was responsible; nothing more sinister than that. I have no idea if there is a connection with the war in Iraq, but even if there is, it makes no difference. Now – about that Fiesta…

By the way, during your six weeks stint, did anyone question why it turned out that so many mistakes were made about the time in Soham on that evening?

No reason why anyone in particular should know what the correct time is, but in general, people will be somewhere near right. Except in Soham after 6.30pm on a summer evening, where the girls were reported to have been seen by a number of people, as much as an hour after the CCTV picked them up and after Huntley claimed to see them.

Before 6.30pm everything can be worked out to the nearest minute (although only by changing the time shown on the CCTV recording by a considerable amount). But after 6.30pm nobody knows the time anymore - what happened?
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Well..

by Stu Redman Wednesday, Dec. 17, 2003 at 10:48 AM

Regarding timings after 1830...Off the top of my head I can give you a few.

1831 - Girls spotted by people leaving sports centre.

1832/33 - Estimated time the girls first encounter Ian Huntley

1846 - Jessica's mobile gets turned off

2230 - Ian Huntley's back in Soham. Encounters searchers whilst walking his dog.

And after that there are numerous timings for various encounters with Ian Huntley.

Regarding the later sightings of the girls - people make mistakes, both with regards to times and what they saw. This isn't an issue that would be discussed in court - as it is irrelevant - it's an established fact the girls weren't seen after 1832 because they would soon die and be dumped in a ditch.
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Bitter

by NeedsAction Monday, Apr. 05, 2004 at 7:51 AM
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They should get ahold of Randy Bitter and interview him on what happened to those girls and serve the sentence for that crime as well as molesting my daughter.
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THE FACTS

by Mr T Sunday, Jul. 11, 2004 at 9:54 AM

The Facts of the case are as follows:

There was significant evidence found at the school
i.e Teeth and stuff in the furnace. Who works there?................Mr Huntly
He had the girls alive and in the basement of the school whilst the press conferences were being held.
He tried to smash their teeth in so they couldnt identifiy them and he then partially burned them and then dumped them what more evidence do you need you wankers...........He's guilty and should be tortured badly...
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MISS

by porter Friday, Nov. 26, 2004 at 4:29 AM

What is the point in this web page??and who ever wrote it you must be terribly ashamed of yourself now,surely,for defending them two animals,Huntley and Carr?and if you are not there must be something wrong with you!Obviously Huntley wasn't going to hide their little bodies in his front garden, so he dumped them anywhere, just so as long as he wasn't to blame. Anyway, the fact that they have both come clean now and he has been sentenced life should be enough evidence for you, I HOPE!? So think twice before you stick your unwanted nose in people's lives, business and anything else. Think about them girl's parents, and think how your sick and twisted mind tried to put the blame on other people, when the police had caught the right filthy animals. I really can't say anymore, because you have made me so mad. Please don't write anymore rubbish like that again. If you were wanting to make a career out of being a jounalist, I'd say don't bother. You Are Crap.
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its terrible

by loulou Friday, Dec. 03, 2004 at 5:11 AM
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i think that is disscusting that carr has got out they should lock her and him up and throw away the key but what i would really like to no is what actually happened to them
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sik

by naomi (13) Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2005 at 8:57 AM
DrAmA-QuEeN-1992@hotmail.co.uk

I think wot they did to those girls os so sik. i was the same age as them when it happend and i just don't understand why sum1 would want to kill two beautiful inocent children. Im reading a book at the moment called 'goodbye dearest holly' and i'd recomend it to any1 it truly is the best. its written by holly wells father and it tells you what they went through
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Maxine Carr Address

by Rob Friday, Jun. 30, 2006 at 6:24 AM

This bitch lives at: 3 Colenso St Clementhorpe York YO23 1AS, SINCE mAY 2006. THERE ARE KIDS LIVING ON THIS STREET AND WELFARE SERVICES MOVED HER ONTO HERE WITH ASSYLUM FROM THE MEDIA. WHAT A SHIT WORLD WE LIVE IN.
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