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Los Angeles Anarchist Collective (NEW)

by LAAC Saturday, Dec. 22, 2001 at 9:16 PM

Our goal is to create a society in which individuals within our communities can freely co-operate together as equals, without a form of government. We oppose all forms of economic, political and social hierarchy.

Los Angeles Anarchis...
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We are trying to open an Anarchist Infoshop in Downtown L.A. We are looking for those interested helping the anarchist community reach this goal. We are trying to get people together who are serious about organizing a collective behind the Infoshop, along with future events. If you are inerested, please visit http://www.LAanarchists.org and join the mailing list!!!

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There's something odd about this Web site

by Sam Spade Sunday, Dec. 23, 2001 at 1:43 AM

No sooner did I click on the laanarchists.org link than my firewall started blocking and logging pings from it, all of the form:

The firewall has blocked Internet access to your computer (UDP Port 33480) from www.laanarchists.org ( (UDP Port 1796).

I received some thirty of these, on ascending port numbers, continuing even after I had goen to a different URL. The messages continued regularly until I disconnected from my ISP.

A series of UDP packets to ports in the range of 33434-33600 usually means a traceroute. Weird.

So, I decided to see what I could find out about whose site it is. A WHOIS on the domain name turns up a registration containing oddly contradictory information. The administrative contact shows an address on N. B St. in LA; this address does exist but the ZIP code shown is actually in Covina, and the phone area code is in the SFV.

So, either this site is run by someone even more paranoid than Majdur- paranoid enough to automatically do traceroutes back to everyone who accesses the page and to feel it necessary to munge the contact info in their domain name registration,

Or there's something else going on. I'd advise caution unless we see a good explanation of these weirdnesses.

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by LAAC Sunday, Dec. 23, 2001 at 8:18 AM

We don't put our real name and address on the internic registration. That's just to protect the personal privacy. I'm not sure why you got 30 different UDP pings, but we trace all government agencies comming into the site, which is why you saw this happening. The site automaticly logs them, that way I can see how extensivly they are monitering the web site. It's simply for security. (Something we need in the movement if we expect to be progressive)

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Its More than that

by spaz Sunday, Dec. 23, 2001 at 12:39 PM

No, its more than that. I have had and am still having the same problem. I suspect there is concerted interference. The reason is that I had the same firewall blocking problem above described when I tried to log onto raise the fist. I really want to but am blocked from accessing the site laanarchists.org. I had to go to google.com and look up a cached version of raise the fist which is about a month or so old (with no updates or recent info as of last week or so).

Can you please give me any recomendation regarding how I can access these sites. Also, it would be helpful if someone would tell me if this LA site is related to laanarchists.org or not:


Finally, I am unable to get even a cached google.com version of the above site. I get an error message each time.

thanks and solidarity

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They're the same IP

by Sam Spade Sunday, Dec. 23, 2001 at 5:05 PM

Yes, indeed, attempting to read raisethefist.com produces the same flood of UDP pings as attempting to read laanarchists.org.

It finally gave up after 50 messages and served me the first page. When I tried to go on to the next page it went through the same routine- UDP pings on ports 33474 to 33524.

It turns out that laanarchists.org and raisethefist.com have the same IP address. They're obviously hosted on the same server.

This is lame. If, as the comment above says, they want to know how often the gummint is reading their site, all they should need is the IP info in the incoming page requests. Automatically tracerouting every incoming request seems like overkill.

I, for one, don't want to bother with a site that in the name of security would make me take my own security down to read it, or which wastes my time with a firewall window popping up every couple of seconds.

If you're going to put up a Web site for the public to read, it doesn't pay to make it so hostile.

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by Lemming Sunday, Dec. 23, 2001 at 7:24 PM

I have to agree. Both sites are great and I think what you're doing is really positive but a bit less of the intrusion please. And take the sound clip off of raisethefist.com - it's as annoying as fuck :)

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your not being tracerouted

by laac Monday, Dec. 24, 2001 at 10:55 AM

LAanarchists.com and Raisethefist.com are on the same server..... But i'm not sure what you're talking about, "being tracerouted" ... I run the site, and the servers themselves. When you hit the front page, the only thing it does is an NSLOOKUP on your IP address. That's all. It doesn't go through a traceroute. The reason for this is security. And believe me, I need it. At points I have had over 100 hits from the U.S Department of Defense in only A SINGLE DAY. The U.S DOD continuesly moniteres the site extensivly, along with the FBI, police and SSA. Every day. Not only that, but international governments; Egypt, Canada, UK, Lavtia, Belgium, Astralia, and now Finland's department of defense are monitering the site continuesly. Not only has the site caused me to have my phone's tapped, but also my DSL packeted by the FBI. Not just that either. The FBI also recently seized a few internet accounts of mine, one being my AIM account which was seized for 12 days. Then terminated.

So you can see why it's necessary that I log, track, and database every single government agencie that comes into raisethefist.com. (or any other domain on my server). If they are going to continuesly watch us, then why arn't we watching them? Why arn't we building our own databases on them? Why arn't we tracking THEM?? If you believe that security is indeed essential in this movement, then i'd think you'd do the same thing I am doing with your web sites. This isn't about anything but being realistic and knowing your history. I hear the word "revolution" tossed around as loosely as it's scarled on a t-shirt in a mall. With no means of self-defense/self-security. Revolution is an act of self-respect, self-determination, and self-defense. Revolution is illegal. You can't sit back and wait for unclesam to come kicking down you're door. You have to be concious of his moves, just as he stay's concious of yours.

If you want to see the logs from government agencies on the site, feel free to check out this file which updates frequently: http://www.raisethefist.com/mil.txt

If I were to stop tracking government agencies on the site, then I'd have to discontinue from running it. Again, I don't know where you're getting UDP pings from. The server only does an NS lookup from your IP. The pings could be happening when the server is finding authority NS servers... ? Not sure, but there arn't any traceroutes being executed.

If you want, I can give you a copy of the tracking script so you can take a look at it yourself.

And the music in the front page isn't annoying!! It's cool :) Everyone tells me they like it. :-D

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Trace Route From where?

by spaz Monday, Dec. 24, 2001 at 12:19 PM

Assuming it's true that all of these agencies are acting on the server as described, doesn't it stand to reason that they use the technology to trace any activity TO the site as well as just ON the site? I admit a sad ignorance to the state of the technology of the internet but we are talking about the security forces of several countries with access to technology that is classified and not available to the general public.

Also, when I put www.laanarchists.org on my browser, or raise the fist, I dont get access to the site. I get error messages as if there is content blocking or something. Specifically, I get an error message saying the web page cant be displayed/Cannot find server error message. My security settings im my browser and Norton internet security are pretty high though. Can anybody help me with any advice on how to circumvent so that I get access?

Better yet, can anyone post any contact info of a telephone or address nature regarding anarchist groups or orgs in the LA area please? I know about food not bombs and will shortly connect with them but are there any others please?

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Please help

by spaz Monday, Dec. 24, 2001 at 12:44 PM

Also,I tried to email the above mailing address. I replied and recieved the following Mail Delivery Error email:

>This message was created automatically by mail delivery >software (Exim).

>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or >more of its

>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following >address(es) failed:

> revolution@2cp.com

That same email address above replied to a posting I made a few weeks ago trying to get more info from me. I replied and got this identicle message. Any suggestions or info please?

I am evidently unable to communicate with the above email and I am unable to access the site on my browser. Help please?


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by Sam Spade Monday, Dec. 24, 2001 at 5:43 PM

There ain't no question that accessing laanarchist.org or raisethefist.com brings forth a flood of UDP packets aimed at monotonically increasing port numbers starting at 33474, and apparently coming from, the IP for both sites.

Doing a reverse DNS on incoming page requests makes sense. That shouldn't result in all these pings.

If it isn't your scripts doing it, then perhaps you should wonder about 2cool Productions, your host. Code planted on their server could be tracing incoming requests, to the benefit of ?

Check it out for yourself. Access either site from a remote computer, running Zonealarm or something else that will catch and display the incoming packets.

See if I'm right. If so, and if it's not your site that's doing it, you might want to ask who it is.

Security issues aside, that kind of thing is off-putting. It's calculated to drive people away.

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three letters

by Lemi Caution Monday, Dec. 24, 2001 at 6:55 PM

As soon as I click on the link, my zone alarm logged over a hundred such attempts to access my system. Someone is perhaps not tracking gov't agencies but who specificaly might want to visit an anarchist site. I have doubts as to whether this is a real site at all. It really doesn't matter, there's always infoshop. And to fellow anarchists, I don't think we're quite ready to hide out in the catacombs just yet, even in these hostile times, and especially if it keeps us from properly communicating with eachother.

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by laac Tuesday, Dec. 25, 2001 at 12:12 PM

I don't know why you're not able to access the site, nor email me (revolution@2cp.com or revolution@raisethefist.com) .. Several people have told me this .. When accessing the server from remote destonations, i've noticed that at times it's not accessable. I don't think this has anything to do with the server. It's something wrong with the DNS servers. I have to traceroute my connection to find the problem. This happens continuesly for some reason. Somtimes it's like only a handfull of people can't connect, other times it's like almost everyone can't connect.

Also, yes, doing DNS lookups on IP's shouldn't result in those ping floods. Which is weird. Do you have a log of the ping floods? I'm not sure why you're getting them. However, as I stated above, our DSL line has been getting packeted by the FBI. (no joke). Basicly they've been intercepting all data comming in and out of the internet line. Whether or not they are STILL doing this, I don't know. They can do whatever they want basicly. I wouldn't doubt that they've been doing the same thing to this very site as well. If they show such interest in my web site, i'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to try and log anyone who connects into it as well. I wouldn't doubt that they do this with many other radical web sites also.

The 2-cool productions doesn't host our server. I host our servers. I'm simply hosting 2-cool productions web site on our servers. I run the network here. So I basicly have full control over it. Raisethefist.com isn't the type of site I could run on a remote host, as it would be taken down. I don't know where these ping floods are comming from, but perhaps we should find out.

Also, no I don't know the address of any anarchist organizations.. The LAanarchists.org doesn't have a physical address, nor a phone number. (but hopefully soon if we can get an infoshop started in downtown los angeles).

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by laac Tuesday, Dec. 25, 2001 at 12:19 PM

> my zone alarm logged over a hundred such attempts

> to access my system. Someone is perhaps not

> tracking gov't agencies but who specificaly

> might want to visit an anarchist site.

> I have doubts as to whether this is a real site at all

I have no idea why you're zone alarm is logging over a hundred such attempts to access your system. This isn't a fake web site. I run the site, along with raisethefist.com. Believe me, it's a real anarchist web site. I have no clue why you're seeing security breech attempts. May I ask where are they coming from specificly? IP? Can you post the logs?

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