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The Issue Of War

by Bill White Thursday, Sep. 13, 2001 at 9:26 PM

And Why We Need To Accept That These Acts Were Acts Of Justice

9/11/01 9:51:07 PM

Bill White

Commentary -- I'm going to make myself unpopular again, and I don't

care. The acts committed against the United States today were not "evil" acts -- they were acts that proceeded naturally and organically from US policy, and they were acts of justice -- the kind of terrible justice that we see the God of the Bible inflict in ancient times, and the kind of terrible justice that would absolutely immoral if it found its origin in the capricious whims of a willful being.

Most people in this country just don't understand that for the past

Decade we have murdered millions -- not thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands -- but millions of Muslims. We murdered half a million children in Iraq and our Secretary of State said that was justice. We murder by proxy hundreds if not thousands of Palestinians a year and our leaders say that is justice. We bomb medicine factories and office buildings and residentials neighborhoods dozens of times each year and we say this is justice.

Well, now we have felt a bit of our own justice -- and it is terrible.

I do not "support" the acts that occurred today. It took me a long

Time to realize that saying that I "support" horrendous acts of violence is, not he real expression of what I feel. My sense of righteousness and justice knows that these acts are good in an absolute sense -- because the natural and good result of evil policies is pain, and if pain did not inflict evildoers, there would be no reason for evildoers not to do evil.

The fight of Israel against Islam is not an American fight. Think

Carefully about this question -- what is there in Israel that is worth 25,000 American lives over? (and I will put money that, unless there were a ton more evacuations than we know of, when all the debris is cleared, that will be close to the number killed -- there were 150,000 - 175,000 people in the three buildings that were struck, 100,000 - 150,000 of them in the two that were destroyed alone).

After thinking about that, consider this -- If we were to go to war

With someone, who exactly would we go to war with? All of the Islamic

world? And what would be our goal? Occupation and conversion? Does anyone in this country think that we can occupy all of the territory of the people of Islam from the tip of Morocco to the tip of the Indonesian archipelago, and then either exterminate or convert the entire population? And then ask this:

What short of doing that will stop these bombings?

What can we take away from Muslims by fighting them that would make

them capitulate?

What do they have left that hasn't already been taken away?

Will we do a G Gordon Liddy and bomb their water supply?

What water supply? and

What public water utilities these nations had was destroyed by US or Soviet or US or Soviet funded bombs long ago.

Will we knock out their electric generators?

Many of these people live day to day life without electricity.

How about we starve them -- ooops. We've already tried that in Iraq, and it has only made them more violent.

Will the threat of being machine gunned stop them?

These are people who, left with nothing to fight with, are turning

Themselves into bombs, hijacking airplanes with .00 box cutters, and ramming them into buildings -- they have nothing but their lives to give, and they are willing to give their lives.

And the next question is why should we fight them, and lose, when we

Can just give them what they want, and win? Americans hate "giving in" to people, because Americans believe they are always in the right, and that they must never surrender. But the facts of this matter are that we are in the wrong -- and we would not be giving in to "them" but giving into doing what is right -- and in doing so we would take from them the one thing that keeps them fighting against us -- the sense of moral righteousness.

In World War II the running joke about the British is that they would eagerly fight the war to the last drop of blood -- provided it was French blood.

In the same sense, the Zionist lobby in the United States is happy to

Pursue war against Islam to the last drop of American blood, but you can bet that it won't be the kind of people who worked at the top of the World Trade Center that go down into the trenches and lose the most lives if we continue to pursue this war. Some of them will be killed if these kinds of terrorist attacks continue -

- and in fact I believe much of the "horror" of this attack is that

some of the people at the top of the World Trade Center died, instead of casualties being limited to Joe and Jane Doe, living on the bottom -- but the people who will suffer most will be the simple people of this country, who aren't even aware of the American subsidy of Israel and the real issues for which they are fighting. The people who will die by the hundreds of thousands in the war for

Israel and the fanatic sub-section of American Jews who defend Israel

will be people who could care less about the outcome of the war, and who are only fighting because they honestly believe today's attack was

"unprovoked." Israel is a liability. It gives us nothing, and takes everything in return.

If we continue to defend it, it will destroy us. It's time to cut our losses and tell the Israelis that if they want to fight a war against Islam that, is their business, but America, its people and its tax dollars will no longer defend the Xenotheocratic (alien-religious) state of Israel, and we will no longer shed our blood for a set of "allies" that have done little for the past fifty years but consistently betray us to our enemies.

No war on Islam! No war for Israel! Cut all US aid and ties to

Israel!

And do it now, before more innocents are killed!

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You know the motive for the attack?

by Thinker Thursday, Sep. 13, 2001 at 10:26 PM

who told you the attack was because of our Israel policy? And if that was a reason, who figured out it was the sole reason? And is it a good idea that we should change a policy every time we stand to suffer for it? You would've given in to Hitler, you putz. (note Yiddishism)

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Thinker is a Misnomer

by anti-bs Thursday, Sep. 13, 2001 at 11:37 PM

Thinker doesn't think very much because if "it" did the research then "it" would

know that WE DID support Adolph Hitler during World War II, included Ford's

support for his regime, and the Bush families past support for Hitler's industry's

despite the state departments ban on doing business with the nazis at that time.

Get a clue ya stupid goyim! (how's that for Yiddish!)

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motivations

by jk Friday, Sep. 14, 2001 at 12:30 AM

Yo - people - maybe Palestine is not the issue.

If it is bin Laden, the problem is modernity. That's to say, democracy, equal rights, market capitalism, and the rest of our "degenerate" culture.

Some Palestinians may hate the USA, but they are not the same kind of Muslims as those who follow bin Laden. So, before any Palestine supports start hurling accusations and justifications, we have to consider the possibility that the attack was not about Israel.

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good point

by michael Friday, Sep. 14, 2001 at 3:04 AM
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Maybe the suicide bombers were muslim? Though they wouldn't be the only folks on the planet with a grudge against the US. But all we are ever going to know about the identity of the culprits is what US intelligence chooses to tell us, and they don't exactly have a good record on this stuff. We do know that if the culprits turned out to be Lithuanians they wouldn't nearly havehalf the 'enemy' cache as anything Islamic, and heaven knows that in a time of crisis Bush needs an credible enemy more than than anything else. Wouldn't he look even sillier than he is blaming Lithuanians?

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motivations

by sp Friday, Sep. 14, 2001 at 4:17 AM

I'm not sure how neatly the motivations of irate Palestinians can be separated from the motivations of bin Laden's network. Additionally, it's worth remembering the presumed US motivation for supporting Israel: control in the middle east arena and especially over its precious resource(s).

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not who but why?

by anon Friday, Sep. 14, 2001 at 5:51 PM

Gee, if we are going to appraoch this like an old fashioned murder mystery we are going to have to acknowledge that a whole butt load of folks out there hate our guts and hence almost everyone has a good motive. Our enimies are legion. Muslims? Sure. CIA? Sure. Heck, maybe the butler did it. I am reminded that not only do we not know for sure but we pretty much depend on what the 'intelligence' community feeds us about this stuff. I for one will just sit on my hands about this issue. Knowing who is not as important than knowing why, and that we can figure out with a lot less guesswork.

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